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Thursday July 26, 2018
3:00 PM EDT

  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    It's 8pm. Time for #UKEdChat Topic: Writing for Purpose Question 1 coming up...
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  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q1 Do you think that writing should always be taught with a purpose, or can practice simply practice? Pls use the hashtag & A1...
  • digicoled Jul 26 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A1. Having a purpose for writing certainly helps (beyond passing tests), but key handwriting skills are still necessary, and we must hold onto these. Practise can make perfect.
    In reply to @ukedchat
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  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q1 again Do you think that writing should always be taught with a purpose, or can practice simply practice? Pls use the hashtag & A1...
  • beachhist Jul 26 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    A1. Writing should and does have a purpose. When we as adults write anything, there is purpose behind it; reports, articles etc. Students need a purpose as that would guide their writing in terms of formality, language. History writing is different to science writing. #ukedchat
  • teacherchalky1 Jul 26 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    A1 I think it depends on what subject is being taught, in Science I think if students understand the purpose of why they're writing always helps #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Writing always has a purpose irrespective of what the writing is 'to do'. If fiction: entertain (normally). If Non-Fiction: a plethora of purposes. What matters is how explicit we explain purpose ๐Ÿค” #ukedchat although purposeful practice is good in itself to garner improvement
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    How is that achieved in your subject? #ukedchat
    In reply to @beachhist
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q2 How does putting writing into context, using methods like mantle of the expert, improve outcomes? Pls use the hashtag & A2...
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    No need to think of โ€˜audienceโ€™? Is it all part of the process to pass exams? #UKEdChat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    The question really is how is the purpose communicated so that students understand the nuances or conventions of the writing being undertaken #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • teacherchalky1 Jul 26 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    I'd love to say it's not all about passing exams, but it does become about how to answer questions in a way that will get the most marks as we get closer to the GCSEs #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    A2 - it gives students concrete understanding of what success lokks like for that purpose. Using models (pre-prepared, varying standard, or live) is excellent prep & shows standards for students to emulate #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q2 again How does putting writing into context, using methods like mantle of the expert, improve outcomes? Pls use the hashtag & A2...
  • digicoled Jul 26 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A2. Writing for a purpose is essential. Otherwise, what is the point?
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • teacherchalky1 Jul 26 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    A2 I think it just helps give a little bit more focus #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    The examiner becomes the narrow audience near exams, but wider audience is linked to the purpose of the writing e.g scientific report = audience who wants to know about the experiment e.g. researcher #ukedchat I think
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @ukedchat
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Within Geography, the purpose clearly helps as the new GCSE includes a wide variety of question types and writing skills that need to be practised, however with that said note taking and general classwork can be seen to be the simple practice of basic writing skills #A1 #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q1 I think writing can be without purpose. A bit like a doodle...it could lead to anything amazing but something rubbish...but thats the fun. Free writing I guess ๐Ÿ˜
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Agreed & the audience is themselves, the purpose to synthesise into eady to read notes that are understandable #ukedchat
    In reply to @MrHallGeography, @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    In your experience, what is the standard of writing within the subject? #UKEdChat
    In reply to @MrHallGeography
  • Behaviour_Guy Jul 26 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Our total ban on mobile phones has been an incredible success. Kids love to talk - give them the opportunity to do so. #edchat #ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q3 When is best not to write for a particular purpose? Pls use the hashtag & A3...
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    How do you set up free writing? Isn't the purpose then to experiment with writing for pleasure or as an adventure on paper? #ukedchat
    In reply to @Mrs_Educate
  • beachhist Jul 26 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    So for example Year 7's in the first term will cover battle of Hastings. When we write about it it could cover a number of purposes e.g. narrative, explanation of why William won, consideration of consequences etc. Similar in other years. #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A2 the purpose and structure is a massive help and need but sometimes its good to focus on loving to write too.
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    variable. Some students have excellent literacy skills and some have very weak literacy skills. It's a huge challenge especially as many people view Geography as the "easy option" and many schools force pupils into either Geography or History. #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • maths_mm Jul 26 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    A3 when you want to encourage creativity and show that writing doesn't always have boundaries and guidelines - I.e. short stories, poetry #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    2. It's especially challenging since the standard required includes the examination command words of "Assess, Analyse, Justify, Evaluate, To What Extent...?" which all require a different method of answering them. It's all about using practice methods and technique. #UKedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    A3 - I think there is always a purpose so it is never best to write without a purpose - it gives a structure & then when confident those structures can be flouted a little or subverted #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • digicoled Jul 26 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    In the ideal world, yes #ukedchat but motivating students who donโ€™t enjoy the process is a challenge.
    In reply to @Mrs_Educate
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q3 again When is best not to write for a particular purpose? Pls use the hashtag & A3...
  • jgarciayubero Jul 26 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A2: Actually my answer is a question. What is mantle of the expert?
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    A3 - writing without purpose is a bit of an oxymoron as even the art of writing for no purpose has it's purpose which is to encourage creativity. Can we ever really write for no purpose? Or should the question be when is it best to write without imposed constraints? #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • beachhist Jul 26 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    @SBuckEnglish @IsabelAllison2 interesting #ukedchat tonight on writing
  • teacherchalky1 Jul 26 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    A3 When you give students an open ended task and make it clear you want them to be creative, here's a few bits that worked for me in the summer term #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A3 part 1 In RE sometimes I want to show them how much they can write in a short time (as the moan at the short time to get a good amount down in exams. I make them write anything in their head (even "this is stupid"!) I dont collect in but it shows them they can do it!
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    If there is no audience, then there is little purpose #ukedchat - Makes teacher feedback essential, so pupils know someone is reading and noting their efforts #UKEdChat
    In reply to @MrHallGeography
  • beachhist Jul 26 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A2 as said previously makes students consider the language they are using e.g fiction = more descriptive language.
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A3 part 2 there is no purpose or structure to the writing but their is purpose in the activity so they know if they know content then its easy and they can write loads!
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q4 How can reading help pupils learn to write for purpose? Pls use the hashtag & A4...
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    No constraints doesn't imply no audience. They can be the audience for their writing, with purpose of practising skills & fostering creativity. Teachers can be seen as audience in this way, providing pupils know they are noting efforts, not criticising specific aspects. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • beachhist Jul 26 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    #ukedchat a4 reading examples of the type of writing they are being asked to complete will allow them to identify structure, formality of language, type of language etc
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q4 again How can reading help pupils learn to write for purpose? Pls use the hashtag & A4...
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Indeed, so the mutual respect between teacher and student needs to be established. I hated my English teacher...as a result, my work was awful! #ukedchat I was unconcerned about my audience.
    In reply to @MrHallGeography
  • greg_ashman Jul 26 @ 3:30 PM EDT
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Agreed, however that mutual respect surely needs to be there in all subjects in order for pupils to learn effectively? #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q5 How does writing for purpose change in different subject areas and how can this support literacy skills? Pls use the hashtag & A5...
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Completely. The point I was making is the importance of the teacher-student relationship, as this has a major impact on attainment (guess who was reading Hattie today ๐Ÿ˜œ) #ukedchat
    In reply to @MrHallGeography
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    #ukedchat Anyone want a laugh? Have literally spent most of the chat asking my 7 year old son spellings on piece, written and writing! Life of a teacher with #dyslexia! @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    A4 - reading is shown through research to have a significant effect on writing. It has multiple benefits. Vocab, internalising grammar rules, structures, ideas etc showing the multitude of ways to approach something #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    A1 Sometimes it is necessary to practice some elements of writing. On the whole they know their writing will be read with an audience (rest of class, a learning partner, their teacher). My class like to know what the purpose of their writing is, it motivates them. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    A5 It's all about those command words. Geographically speaking, analyse evaluate and assess work well with the more critical side of English and Science. To What Extent and Justify questions often help debate skills too. #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • Mrs_Educate Jul 26 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    #ukedchat Q5 we are looking for different key terms and styles...many humanities will look for PEEL but others may not. Even in 1 subject differences occur eg English and audience. Support by key word practise and writing frames.
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q5 again How does writing for purpose change in different subject areas and how can this support literacy skills? Pls use the hashtag & A5...
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    I'd love to do an audit on the cross- over so we can signpost this to s's. Purpose won't change but perhaps expectations of content may across diff subjs e.g report in eng/science/history may be to inform but the content will differ #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • teacherchalky1 Jul 26 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I agree that command words are really important, we've just started giving students multiple choice quizzes using show my home work #ukedchat
    In reply to @MrHallGeography, @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    It would be interesting to see the results of such an audit #ukedchat
    In reply to @SusanSEnglish
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q6 Recount a lesson involving writing for a purpose which went well. Pls use the hashtag & A6...
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    I think all writing may have a particular purpose although it may not be clear to begin with e.g. free writing. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Literacy improved by all tchs teaching it & understanding the conventions off what is needed in their subject. Literacy should always be embedded & purposeful #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Agreed - it would be good to work back from A-Level in all subject disciplines & see what writing looks like in each subject & how/why it differs & where/when it is the same #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q6 again Recount a lesson involving writing for a purpose which went well. Pls use the hashtag & A6...
  • exercise_books Jul 26 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    We often add new examples to our examples page on our website, so head over and take a look. #UKEdChat #UKEducation #Teaching https://t.co/xHPN6NyqbF
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    A4 Totally agree. There's been a correlation in each class I've taught between regular readers and good writing. These children tend to have more ideas, more vocabulary, will use key words and phrases they have magpied and write pieces that are interesting to read. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @SusanSEnglish, @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    More a series of broken down lessons on narrative writing - very slow build up with modelling & feedback on the spot whole time #ukedchat quality of narrative much improved
    In reply to @ukedchat
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  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Absolutely, you can read a piece written and know a child is a reader (without knowing the child) and normally accurate #ukedchat
    In reply to @keran77, @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Must have been so pleasing to see #ukedchat
    • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:42 PM EDT
      More a series of broken down lessons on narrative writing - very slow build up with modelling & feedback on the spot whole time #ukedchat quality of narrative much improved
      In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q7 Can writing for a particular purpose constrain creativity? Pls use the hashtag & A7...
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    A5 In science when writing explanations chn often have to make observations or write conclusions using words such as 'because.' Cross curricular writing is important as it shows what chn have remembered from English lessons + if they can apply what they know. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • digicoled Jul 26 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat A7 It clearly must and does, especially when considering curriculum restraints as well as the need to pass exams.
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    A6 - report writing - success criteria on board & modelling a sentence precisely to exemplify the individual piece of success criteria #ukedchat buildimg an understanding of how each component looked first then building into a coherent whole
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q7 again Can writing for a particular purpose constrain creativity? Pls use the hashtag & A7...
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    It was - I even wrote a blog about it ๐Ÿ˜Š teacher geek that I am #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
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    A fantastic blog that I totally agree with, so glad that you got through some difficult times and hopefully the future looks bright. Keep smiling #primaryrocks #ukedchat #nomoreboysandgirls
    In reply to @MissSDoherty
  • maths_mm Jul 26 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    A6 children wrote persuasively to convince their classmates to send their pet hates to Room 101. First, we watched clips from the TV show and read an excerpt from 1984, then the chn wrote about their hates and performed them as speeches to each other #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    A6 My class wrote invitations about a science workshop to their parents and carers. They decided to make scrolls and the parents got the important information. A third of the parents came which was really good. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    A great idea #ukedchat
    • maths_mm Jul 26 @ 3:47 PM EDT
      A6 children wrote persuasively to convince their classmates to send their pet hates to Room 101. First, we watched clips from the TV show and read an excerpt from 1984, then the chn wrote about their hates and performed them as speeches to each other #ukedchat
      In reply to @ukedchat
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    A7 Yes it can. It's important to give children time to do free writing every now and then. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q8 Share your favourite writing for purpose ideas and activities. Pls use the hashtag & A8...
  • SusanSEnglish Jul 26 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    It can but depends on set up again & also experience of the writer #ukedchat A7
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    #UKEdChat Q8 again Share your favourite writing for purpose ideas and activities. Pls use the hashtag & A8...
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    A8 I like to BUG an exam question so box off the command, underline specific key terms and then glance over it again before making a bullet point plan, then writing to complete the command word. Simple and old school but effective #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • MrHallGeography Jul 26 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    A8 another is to write a letter to local government to explain different viewpoints to a statement designed to provoke thought and disagreement. Helps with evaluative and justification skills, plus brings in the debate and thinking about stakeholder opinions #ukedchat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • MrBhumbla Jul 26 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    A4 #UKEdChat In addition to the things already mentioned, even reading examples of similar work (e.g. on displays or provided as examples) can help scaffold their writing. Science lab write-ups are a prime example of this.
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • keran77 Jul 26 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    A8 I often ask chn to write piece following a visit for the monthly newsletter. They love seeing their names on that and showing their parents or carers. #UKEdChat
    In reply to @ukedchat
  • ukedchat - Moderator Jul 26 @ 4:00 PM EDT
    It's 9pm. Thanks to all who contributed to #UKEdChat. The chat archive will be at https://t.co/SUwl98pWeX soon.