#SwDMathChat Archive


Thursday February 8, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Feb 8 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #SwDMathChat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/2gl5JhlFuX
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    I’m Juli Dixon and the moderator for tonight’s #SwDMathChat. I am a professor of math education at UCF, a textbook author, and a professional development provider. Tonight, we will be discussing small group instruction in mathematics. Q1: What would you like us to know about you?
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:06 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat I'm a coach in Oakland and work with SwD in both inclusion and self-contained settings.😊
    • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
      I’m Juli Dixon and the moderator for tonight’s #SwDMathChat. I am a professor of math education at UCF, a textbook author, and a professional development provider. Tonight, we will be discussing small group instruction in mathematics. Q1: What would you like us to know about you?
  • DarBrown22 Feb 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1. Hi Juli. I am a Instructional Staff Developer and Math Coach in Pinellas County, Florida. I'm happy to be part of your first Twitter Chat! #SwDmathchat
  • anndurham13 Feb 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    I'm Ann, HS Learning Support and Math teacher at an int'l school in Indonesia. Will pop in and out of the chat since I'm at school :) #SwDMathChat
  • zack_hill Feb 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Hi, Zack Hill, K-5 Math Coach in Pinellas County, FL #swdmathchat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Q2 What does the phrase "pulled small group instruction" mean to you? #SwDMathChat
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    I’m a high school teacher in Orlando FL. Been teaching HS for 17 years. #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Meeting with Ss in needs-based groups to target specific concepts. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    I give my whole class an activity/assignment. While they work on it, I pull 3 to 5 students over to cover the material more in depth or remediate. #SwDMathChat
  • zack_hill Feb 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2 I think of the teacher working with a small group (3-5 students) while other students are working at stations/centers that are designed for independent work. #swdmathchat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A2: Ss are away from the whole group (could be same room) and working on specific lessons to meet individual needs.
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    It sounds like we have a common understanding of pulled small groups. They are different from what I call concurrent small groups where all students are working in groups on the same task. #SwDMathChat
    • zack_hill Feb 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
      A2 I think of the teacher working with a small group (3-5 students) while other students are working at stations/centers that are designed for independent work. #swdmathchat
  • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    I’m Erika. I’m a Scorpio... #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    I'm a lifelong learner of math education. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Q3 What are you proudest of with your pulled small group? #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    They are flexible (changing daily) as students learn and work toward mastery of the learning goals. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Q3. Honestly? If I can keep the rest of the students on task. #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    This is a really big challenge -- we will talk about challenges as well! #SwDMathChat
  • anndurham13 Feb 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A3 The moments when a student "gets it" because they had the opportunity to slow down or learn something in a different way #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    This is a great goal. #SwDMathChat
    • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
      They are flexible (changing daily) as students learn and work toward mastery of the learning goals. #SwDMathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat I'm proud that my last year in the classroom, I was able to have varied & rotating groups (again needs-based) in a co-teaching model & the other Ss were able to be independent on review of grade-level work 😍😍 Awww! I loved my last classes.
  • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Q2 From St. Louis... pulled small group instruction, to me, is ensuring that students get the level of scaffolding(C,R,A) they need to make sense of math at their current place along a trajectory. #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    And very challenging to maintain. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Boy, wanting to try to do #ElemMathChat and #SwDMathChat simultaneously, while watching mixed doubles curling! #SwDMathChat Q1 I'm now math specialist for a children's chorus, will be directing small group work with volunteer coaches.
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Your "proud moments" are terrific -- but you probably know what is coming next... Q4 What’s your biggest challenge with pulled small groups? #SwDMathChat
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A1: Hi everyone 🤗 Kerstin Villano here, 4th Grade math & science teacher at High Point Elementary in Pinellas County! #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Keeping the momentum of flexibility of groups while managing the rest of the class. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Q3 That my students have learned to swim around a problem comfortably in front of each other, and that they understand the brain grows more when we fail, as long as we keep swimming. #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Managing the rest of the class is tricky. What happens too often is that the rest of the class gets busy work to keep them quiet -- this is not our goal... #SwDMathChat
    • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
      Keeping the momentum of flexibility of groups while managing the rest of the class. #SwDMathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Yup, and we will be doing https://t.co/JaDCMjjL4B in their first sessions! Mostly one-on-one, some two-on-one (students to coach). My goal is shifting coach role to "why" instead of "what". #SwDMathChat #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @csarahj
  • zack_hill Feb 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A3 Trying to use high quality tasks with small groups, similar to what I'd use in a whole group setting. #SwDMathChat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat Having enough time to plan excellent mini-lessons. Exhaustion 😩😩
    • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
      Your "proud moments" are terrific -- but you probably know what is coming next... Q4 What’s your biggest challenge with pulled small groups? #SwDMathChat
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Well, again the on task part. But also, time. It’s sometimes hard to have meaningful interactions with small groups in a short time. Because ideally you would want to pull multiple groups in a class period. #SwDMathChat
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: Instruction that is needs-based, rigorous, and INDIVIDUALIZED. #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    There is much to be proud of here -- it sounds as though you are supporting students to do the sense making in your pulled small groups. #SWDMathChat
    • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
      Q3 That my students have learned to swim around a problem comfortably in front of each other, and that they understand the brain grows more when we fail, as long as we keep swimming. #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Yes. Independent work should be meaningful, challenging HCD tasks as well. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Tell us more about what you mean by individualized. #SWDMathChat
    • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
      A2: Instruction that is needs-based, rigorous, and INDIVIDUALIZED. #SwDmathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Well, since I don't have a job any more, I'm able to pick up some new adventures. But doing three things simultaneously right now isn't going that well. I need a pause button on all three! #SwDMathChat #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Q6 How often do you pull small groups? #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Every day. 25 to 30 min each. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    My friend and colleague @ed_nolan typically says you just need to slow the rotation of the earth :) #SWDMathChat
    • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
      Well, again the on task part. But also, time. It’s sometimes hard to have meaningful interactions with small groups in a short time. Because ideally you would want to pull multiple groups in a class period. #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Wow -- how long is your math block? #SWDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    65-75 min depending on the day. We start with number talks as a warm up then launch into small group problem-based instruction. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Q6. Probably not often enough. Maybe once a week. #SwDMathChat
  • ed_nolan Feb 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    You have to think creatively when working with pulled small groups, that's for sure! #SwDMathChat
    • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
      My friend and colleague @ed_nolan typically says you just need to slow the rotation of the earth :) #SWDMathChat
      • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
        Well, again the on task part. But also, time. It’s sometimes hard to have meaningful interactions with small groups in a short time. Because ideally you would want to pull multiple groups in a class period. #SwDMathChat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat Honestly, not as much as I should. I am working with a few pairs of Ss now and try to do 30 min 3x a week😊.
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3: My pulled small groups closing the gaps. Revamped my math interventions a few months back. My biggest accomplishment! 😊 #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I couldn't agree with you more. I wonder if we find more gimmicks being taught in pulled small groups or in whole class instruction. #SwDmathchat
    • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
      Yes, but to answer A4, I’m a math specialist, and I find challenge in the fact that students are often taught gimmicks instead of strategies. It’s like being taught reading without letter-sound understanding.
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A4: My biggest challenge? Either the amount of time it takes me to create the interventions or having to cut groups off when it’s time! #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Why do you think that once per week is not frequent enough for pulling small groups? #SWDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    These are both significant challenges. I find that I have to be OK with not getting to the same place with every group. The Ss needs drive the pace. #SWDMathChat
    • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
      A4: My biggest challenge? Either the amount of time it takes me to create the interventions or having to cut groups off when it’s time! #SwDmathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    By individualized I mean pulling skills and questions to create tasks that each STUDENT needs, not each group or cluster of students. #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Q7 What strategies do you to support discourse in your pulled small groups? #SwDMathChat
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Thank you! I saw the results when I made the switch from utilizing tasks that fit GROUPS, and instead began creating interventions for each of my STUDENTS, that I pull in small groups to work with. #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @LybryaKebreab, @thestrokeofluck
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    My goal with my groups is to have the majority of what I say questions, keeping them thinking and feeling the struggle productively. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A6: Everyday for at least 25-30 min! #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Late to the party...Samantha Wuttig, K-12 Math Coach for Special Education, Fairbanks, AK #SwDMathChat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A7: Admittedly, I don't. I'm still too teacher directed in small groups. I would love to read a book that could teach me how. Hmmmm???
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A3: Working with teachers and seeing when the students are getting it...on their own. #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Ha ha -- you mean a book that could be coming out in July focused on pulled small group instruction? What do you hope to find in that book? @DrBrooksla @MCarliLovesMath #SWDMathChat
    • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
      #SwDMathChat A7: Admittedly, I don't. I'm still too teacher directed in small groups. I would love to read a book that could teach me how. Hmmmm???
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A7: I agree with Joe! Let the students do the talking. Ask focusing questions, not funneling questions, that allow students to share what they know. #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • mathman1970 Feb 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Q7: Try to direct questions to each student by name to keep one or two from monopolizing the discussion. #SwDmathChat
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Have you read Becoming the Math Teacher You Wish You Had by @TracyZager ?? It’s helping me immensely! #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @LybryaKebreab, @TracyZager
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A7: many of same discourse-oriented strategies I would use in a larger group, but I really really get to listen to all of the students in my small group, so hopefully can fill in some holes in my understanding of THEIR understanding.
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Anything and everything you could inspire us with! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck, @DrBrooksla, @MCarliLovesMath
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    .@mathman1970 talked about using students' names. How about other strategies? Q8: How do you handle the silent pulled small group of students? #SwDMathChat
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    These are excellent strategies #SwDmathchat
    • flyingmonkey13 Feb 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
      A7 Planning for misconceptions and developing questions facilitate the thinking around these misconceptions. Also... planning scaffolding that may never be needed.
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Our teachers have a similar schedule. We also have some who co-teach so that looks different. In the 30 minutes, what is your focus? I have found that 30 minutes is short and that many of our sped teachers are focusing on having kids know their facts. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @roickij1, @thestrokeofluck
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    What are you doing for interventions?? #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @MrsVillano, @thestrokeofluck
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A4: What to have teachers focus on when they only have students for 30 minutes a day & how to move them away from focusing on kids only knowing their facts. #SwDMathChat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A8: try to make sure they have something in their hands to bring down affective filter & gently persuade them to say/show something with the tools in front of them.
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    In my experience, Ss benefit more from structures that support classroom discourse similar to those used in whole-class instruction (as long as that, too, is discourse rich). This enables students to do more of the sense making as long as rich tasks are used. #SWDMathChat
    • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
      Our teachers have a similar schedule. We also have some who co-teach so that looks different. In the 30 minutes, what is your focus? I have found that 30 minutes is short and that many of our sped teachers are focusing on having kids know their facts. #SwDMathChat
      In reply to @roickij1, @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    We need tasks that allow for reasoning and sense making to start... #SWDMathChat
    • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
      A4: What to have teachers focus on when they only have students for 30 minutes a day & how to move them away from focusing on kids only knowing their facts. #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Yes we typically focus on a single task, but more on the practice of mathematics (modeling, using structure and pattern, discourse, etc.) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A7: Notice & wonder, Number Talks, Which One Doesn't Belong, Turn & Talk...anything to get them talking...#SwDMathChat
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    I’m veering away from traditional math centers and instead am utilizing student to-do lists that are updated monthly. I pull my small groups and work on specific missed questions shown through district assessments and iStation ISIPs. #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @swuttig, @thestrokeofluck
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    If you’re interested in hearing more or seeing the actual lists, shoot me an email and I’ll send 😄 VillanoK@pcsb.org #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @swuttig, @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    This sounds fantastic -- and again - leads me to another question. Q9 How do you group your students and why? #SwDMathChat
    • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
      Yes we typically focus on a single task, but more on the practice of mathematics (modeling, using structure and pattern, discourse, etc.) #SwDMathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    So love this! Just realized that all those geometry proofs with fill in the blanks are really someone else's thinking - no wonder they are so hard for students! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @MFAnnie
  • swuttig Feb 8 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A8: I love to ask what they are thinking...but I think it helps to create an environment where their thinking is not judged but valued. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck, @mathman1970
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Based on a combo of content needs and practice needs. Ss proficient in answer-getting often struggle with the how and why. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Right. "Explain reasons for this thing you don't even know is true and you didn't write." (Then again, that describes a lot of "school".) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @swuttig
  • MrsVillano Feb 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    A8: No opt-out! Some students have learned if they keep quiet, they won’t ever have to answer questions. Provide appropriate think time and don’t let them off the hook! #SwDmathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck, @mathman1970
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Q9 -- this is a repeat because I have not seen a response and I think it is a crucial question -- are your students homogeneously grouped or heterogeneously grouped for pulled small groups? #SwDmathchat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Heterogeneous. Ss need to experience working with and hearing ideas from diverse groups. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Is there ever a time when you find like-ability grouping to be appropriate for the pulled small group? #SWDMathChat
    • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
      Heterogeneous. Ss need to experience working with and hearing ideas from diverse groups. #SwDMathChat
      In reply to @thestrokeofluck
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A9: I used to think homogen was absolutely nec b/c if hetero why pull them? Keep them whole then. Now I know that Ss have to make sense of math w/each other, not me, & I almost insist on there being +1 for any group I pull.
    • thestrokeofluck Feb 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
      Q9 -- this is a repeat because I have not seen a response and I think it is a crucial question -- are your students homogeneously grouped or heterogeneously grouped for pulled small groups? #SwDmathchat
  • MFAnnie Feb 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A9: Both. For me has depended on circumstance - sometimes you get whoever is "free" during that time block, sometimes you really need to understand how these three Ss think about [this] thing. #SwDMathChat
  • roickij1 Feb 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Very rarely. I sometime pull homogeneous groups at other times during the day for more targeted fluency work. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @thestrokeofluck