#2ndaryELA Archive

#2ndaryELA is a group of middle and high school English Language Arts teachers looking to share ideas and best practices. We chat every Tuesday night at 8 pm EST using #2ndaryELA. We'd love for you to join us!

Tuesday October 30, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome! What and where do you teach? Include a link to your blog if you have one. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Lisa your #2ndaryELA chat co-host with @literarymaven I've been teaching Middle SChool in FL for 23 years and I blog here: https://t.co/T0SGs1J2u0
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Heather, Middle School ELA/ELD, San Diego #2ndaryELA
  • Magnificent_mdl Oct 30 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi everyone! I’m Kelli from Tennessee and I teach 7th and 8th ELA. Right now I’m at a middle school basketball game. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi, Kelli! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @Magnificent_mdl
  • miss_danis Oct 30 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Charlotte and I'm a preservice ELA teacher attending Lesley University. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Welcome, Charlotte! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @miss_danis
  • miss_danis Oct 30 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Thanks for having me! #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q1: Do you think secondary students need to take notes? Why or why not? #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1: Personally I do think Ss need to take notes. BUT I do not think they always have to be from a lecture. Without notes, how can they study? How can parents know how to help? #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: Yes, notes need to be explicitly taught to secondary students! It is an important skill that is applicable to all subjects and other life areas as well. #2ndaryELA
  • miss_danis Oct 30 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: I think it depends on the nature of the class and the learning style of the student. I think giving students the option to is a good idea in general, and then if there is something of significance you want them to remember then you could have them take notes. #2ndaryela
  • Magnificent_mdl Oct 30 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    I think some note taking is fine as long as it is not all class time and/or every day. #2ndaryela
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Ashley, High School ELA, 10th grade and #APLit, TN #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q2: What types of notes do you use in your classroom? #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hi, Ashley! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MellowEducator
  • theteachingcurc Oct 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: I have a question in response to your question.. what’s more valuable: notes or just using resources? If Ss are just robots writing down what they see.. there’s no retention. It’s the studying of the notes = memorization.. USE of the notes = retention. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A2: I am a fan of Cornell Notes but Interactive notes are great too! I combined the two and made my own Pixanotes - picture notes. :) #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: I know that sketch/doodle notes are all the rage, but ironically my ADHD Ss do not like them. My more logical thinkers do, however. Both groups liked my picture notes because of the blend. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    I think of the notes as resources and I agree that using them is the key. I personally don't have my Ss just copy anything. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: Cornell notes, double-entry journals, guided notes (words and pictures), brainstorm activities, chapter notes, annotations on text, etc. The style of notes depends on the purpose for the note-taking and even the preference of the student when appropriate. #2ndaryELA
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: I honestly believe students need to learn to take notes! Both during lecture and from informational texts. Secondary education is so innovative, but higher education is still based on lecture! #2ndaryela
  • theteachingcurc Oct 30 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    In science and history, I can see the importance of notes - but with literary elements and devices, finding and using them are paramount #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    But for some of our Ss who have learning differeences, they may need the definitions first - and that might be part of something I'd call "notes" even if it's guided or interactive. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Q3: What do students use their notes for in your classroom or at home? #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A3: Notes may be used on many assessments, during presentations, as study guides, for partner talk, reference during games/quizzes - Pretty much anything! #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A3: In class, they are used as reference material for assignments. (Think personal anchor charts) At home they are used as study materials. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    That's interesting! I'd love to read more about that! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A3: Notes in my class are mostly about concepts and students use these throughout units. At the beginning of a unit on social commentary in dystopian literature, students took notes on the concept and used it throughout the unit. #2ndaryela
  • theteachingcurc Oct 30 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A3: Each S has a binder that has a resources section where all handouts and notes go for HW assignments and compositions. I’m not a fan of HW in its purest form - just reading. Read outside of class to lead to in class discussions. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Of course my principal would say that notes are a "Teachable moment" in terms of stamina and increasing student attention spans. :) #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Q4: Do you differentiate notes in your class and/or allow students to develop their own style? #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A4: Students are allowed to draw pictures, doodle notes, copy, and use technology to record notes – whatever works best for them. The only time I use a required type of notes is when I am teaching the actual skill. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A4: My picture notes are differentiated 4 ways - all the same content just diff. scaffolding. So I could have all 4 versions out in the same class at the same time. #2ndaryELA
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    I'd agree with your principal; especially, for students who are intending to go to traditional colleges. Outside of Ed classes, lecture is happening at the collegiate level. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle, @theteachingcurc
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    I should add that these are guided notes with images and examples. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    You're right of course and we could build them up one chunk at a time until they have more stamina for a longer attention span. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MellowEducator, @theteachingcurc
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Cornell notes are very popular with AVID programs. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4: Both, And. I have a large amount of ELL students and students who are multiple grade levels behind, so I change notes for these students. I do guided notes and provide it where they get to fill-in-the-blank. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Q5: Share your best note-taking resources. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    I modified Cornell notes to help my ELL and SPED Ss. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A5: Check out Pixanotes here: https://t.co/DdOT9cZycK with a video and free sample. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Interesting - I have not heard of Collins Writing. Please tell us more and/or drop a link, #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc
  • MsBush20 Oct 30 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A5: The best resource I use is the Cornell Notes style. For students who prefer digital notes, I typically let them use whatever app they like. I am open to more resources though! #2ndaryELA
  • MellowEducator Oct 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A5: Not the best at this, so I don't have any innovative/creative ideas for teaching students to take notes... #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    AVID is a middle school program to help Ss who want to go to college but need a little extra support. I will have to follow @AnnMarieKumm ! :) #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator, @AnnMarieKumm, @AnnMarieKumm
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Thanks so much for joining us tonight #2ndaryELA nation! Remember, we keep the conversation going over at our Facebook group & we'd love for you to join! https://t.co/JGbfk4DP78
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Good to know! #2ndaryELA I guess I've been stuck in middle school so long...
    In reply to @MsBush20, @theteachingcurc, @MellowEducator, @AnnMarieKumm
  • Magnificent_mdl Oct 30 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A2 I use an interactive notebook for notes and also traditional notes. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:32 PM EDT
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  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
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  • Magnificent_mdl Oct 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Sorry i could not answer all questions. I am at a basketball game so I was talking to a parent. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Oct 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    No worries! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @Magnificent_mdl