#badgechat Archive

#BadgeChat was founded in December, 2014 by a group of educators who are passionate about credentialing learning and achieving. While there are thousands of us around the globe issuing badges to learners, there was not yet a regular twitter chat for those of us in the K-12 space to gather for learning and sharing about badging. After reaching out to leaders in the field (like the good folks at Mozilla and The Badge Alliance) for their thoughts, #BadgeChat was born.

Monday October 15, 2018
6:30 PM EDT

  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:31 PM EDT
    Welcome to #BadgeChat! Please let us know you're joining (lurking counts!!!) and tell us from where
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:32 PM EDT
    I'm Noah in Denver. Community organizer of #BadgeChat and #BadgeSummit and easily excited about Digital Badge Credentials and their potential to change the world!
  • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:33 PM EDT
    Nick, Staff Development Coordinator, residing from the Jersey Shore. #BadgeChat @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:36 PM EDT
    Slow start to #BadgeChat but know all are welcome to join in anytime! First question coming up now!
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:36 PM EDT
    Q1: Is there such a thing as “too much” badging? (aka "carpet badging") #BadgeChat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 6:37 PM EDT
    Hi! Dodie in San Antonio. Did make it home in time for the chat but I will try to hop in and out as I complete my afternoon errands. #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:38 PM EDT
    A1: I know #BadgeChat regular @Benjaroome has strong feelings about this on the quantity side and am interested for his take. Personally, I think it's more about MEANING...Is there *some* meaningfulness for *some* stakeholder? If so, it's not too much
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:39 PM EDT
    You're always welcome to join when and how you're able! We value your contributions Dodie! #BadgeChat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    Hi Open Badges community! I’m Kim with the Badgr team. Apologies for being a bit late today. A1: Our team believes in "badging the world” Q1: Is there such a thing as “too much” badging? (aka "carpet badging” #BadgeChat
  • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    A1: It's the idea of something being overjustification. I think the key is to make them as concrete as possible and make sure they know WHY they earned it. It's an achievement of skill/mastery and not just a badge. #BadgeChat @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    A1: Some have expressed that a rising tide raises all ships...others that there are consequences to a "Badge everything!" mentality #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:41 PM EDT
    Does the team distinguish between "badging the world" vs "badging everything"? Is there ever a point of too much? #badgechat
    In reply to @BadgrTeam
  • capt_info Oct 15 @ 6:41 PM EDT
    A1: There are poorly designed badges. Especially gamification type badges that are supposed to motivate (but don't). I've heard them referred to as "potty stickers." I think that's @szerge 's term. #badgechat
  • capt_info Oct 15 @ 6:42 PM EDT
    A1: I'm not sure you can have too many well-designed badges. #BadgeChat
  • knikole Oct 15 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    A1 I think you can have too much of anything but depends on the person...purpose....outcomes of receiving microcredential. #badgechat
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    You can use tools to filter the internet down to the information you want to see. You can do the same for badges. What is important to one person or community may not be for others. #BadgeChat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    I dig where you're going. To get concrete with an example, I picture Guinness records...even if it's a silly record for most consecutive high fives while on a pogo stick, it's an achievement and we can credential it and attach evidence. Am I close? #BadgeChat
    In reply to @Namaraledu
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:44 PM EDT
    So, it boils down to quality, not quantity when we look at the "too much" question? #badgechat
    In reply to @capt_info
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:44 PM EDT
    Question 2 coming in 20 seconds... #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:44 PM EDT
    Q2: What is the risk factor that some badges take away from the value of other badges? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    I dig it! Goes back to **meaningfulness** and notion that as long as it matters to someone, it's good #badgechat
    • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:43 PM EDT
      You can use tools to filter the internet down to the information you want to see. You can do the same for badges. What is important to one person or community may not be for others. #BadgeChat
      In reply to @SenorG
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    Amusing! #BadgeChat
    In reply to @capt_info, @szerge
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    A1. Yes. Everything’s moderation! Even chocolate! #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    Well said Knikole! Glad to have you lending your genius this week! #badgechat
    In reply to @knikole
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    oooo, you went and got controversial, bringing chocolate into it:) #BadgeChat
  • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:47 PM EDT
    A2: If it's too easy to earn the user will lose interest and not value the "learning" itself. #BadgeChat @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:48 PM EDT
    A2: Probably, yes. AND contor factor is not the Badge but the Issuer. Designers are wise to ask if they have create conditions for confusion. Ex: In sports, Player of the Week honors doesn't take away from or dilute end of season awards like MVP #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:49 PM EDT
    Wow, love the unexpected direction you took this. The deteriorating value isn't just on the Consumer side but the Earner as well. Great point! #badgechat
    In reply to @Namaraledu
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:49 PM EDT
    A2: Copycat badges might reduce value and/or awarding to yourself without rigor attached. Q2: What is the risk factor that some badges take away from the value of other badges? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:50 PM EDT
    #badgechat
    • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:44 PM EDT
      Correct. Abstract things are hard to reward and leave too much to be "justified"
      In reply to @SenorG
  • capt_info Oct 15 @ 6:50 PM EDT
    Yes, I think so. And also asking "Who is the person issuing the badges?" And "Who is the person designing the pathway?" If it's a learner, then even small badges can be very meaningful. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:50 PM EDT
    Friendly reminder to include #BadgeChat in your tweets and responses so everyone sees it:)
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:51 PM EDT
    Brilliant! The simple act of questioning can add so many layers of richness to the work! #badgechat
    • capt_info Oct 15 @ 6:50 PM EDT
      Yes, I think so. And also asking "Who is the person issuing the badges?" And "Who is the person designing the pathway?" If it's a learner, then even small badges can be very meaningful. #badgechat
      In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:51 PM EDT
    3rd question coming in hot!!! #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    Q3: If considering what not to badge, is the ideal approach with a set of collective standards or personal judgement of works best for YOU? #BadgeChat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 6:53 PM EDT
    A2 When using badgesfor PD it is important to ensure badges aren’t just substitutions for CPE credits. Badges that are take away from the deeper purpose of others #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:53 PM EDT
    Hadn't even thought about this, Kim. By "copycat" are you referring to possibility that someone creates a fake version of a credential they don't deserve and try to pass it off as legit? #badgechat
    In reply to @BadgrTeam
  • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:56 PM EDT
    A3: For me having a set of standards. I think a key factor to badging is in fairness and expectation. If the achiever loses faith, then the badge becomes meaningless. #BadgeChat @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:56 PM EDT
    A3: Y'all are making me rethink this! I'm leaning toward BOTH... - Go by what earner (or other stakeholders) find meaningful as barometer - Go by what works best for you - Protect value proposition of some credentials by being selective of what gets into same club #BadgeChat
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 6:56 PM EDT
    Kind of.. maybe a competing organization tries to undercut the value of the badges another organization is offering. Could be with different badges or combos of badges with less rigor than the prominent badge. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:57 PM EDT
    Interesting! Can you give an example? #badgechat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 6:57 PM EDT
    A3 I believe they should be based on standards. BUT where/who establishes the standards can broaden the application of badges. #dontbadgejusttobadge #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 6:58 PM EDT
    Great points! When you think about those possible standards, from what institutional level should they come? Classroom? School? District? Community? State? Country? World???? #badgechat
    In reply to @Namaraledu
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    You raise such an important point that we haven't addressed: one benefit of broadly accepted standards is broadly valued credentials that might open more/different doors #BadgeChat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    CPE is usually based on input aka time spent in a training. The transfer & application of the training into practice is not considered. This is where CPEs fail. I believe badges should be based more on the output/application and less about input/seat time in training #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Holy #BadgeChat Badge Man, that went too fast! You smarties push and motivate me each week! Thanks for being here to all of the regular Badge Chatters, welcome back to the returnees and to the lurkers, we appreciate and value your form of active engagement! #badgechat
  • BadgrTeam Oct 15 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Thanks for the chat today @SenorG and #badgechat ppl - it was thought provoking and great fun. I’m worried about the "too much chocolate” statement tho. See you next week!
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    As a quick #BadgeChat outro, please do share a takeaway from this week's chat if you can! Thanks to all for being here and have a Badge worthy week!
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Ahhhhh, so ok to have *part* of value be CPE, just important to actually utilize badges as tools to credential actual learning and skills development, not just seat time. Love it! #badgechat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • PapillonAnne Oct 15 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    @SenorG What is badgr? Just noticed #badgechat in my feed and I am curious.
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Yeah, there might be consequences to limiting chocolate:) #badgechat
    In reply to @BadgrTeam
  • ShabbyGeek101 Oct 15 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    Today I discoveredi can learn while waiting for my curbside grocery pickup #myheb @HEB #BadgeChat. Is there a badge or that?
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Takeaway: When people say "too much" that might actually be a proxy for "not meaningful"...threat is not from quantity of badges but low quality of badges that don't carry meaning to stakeholders #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Great question! Badgr (@BadgrTeam) is a platform for issuing, earning and displaying Digital Badge Credentials. If you're wondering what those are, imagine if we credentialed language learners for demonstrated proficiencies of Can Do Statements...exciting stuff! #BadgeChat
    In reply to @PapillonAnne, @BadgrTeam
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    #badgechat
    • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 6:59 PM EDT
      Classroom. Should be at the teacher and student direction. Both need to see eye-to-eye.
      In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Oct 15 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    #badgechat
    • Namaraledu Oct 15 @ 7:02 PM EDT
      But if you are valuing ethics or the whole student, then matching what school or district values could work too.
      In reply to @SenorG
  • randysquier Oct 15 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A1 quality over quantity for determining how many badges. For Ss you can reuse badges year to year. For Ts need to continually develop new ones. #BadgeChat
  • randysquier Oct 15 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    A2 each badge brings an experience and value that will determine if learner continues to earn more. Too easy or too hard and the learner will move on. Successful egames get this. #BadgeChat