#ASEchat Archive
The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday June 13, 2016
3:00 PM EDT
NeedhamL56
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Jun 13 @ 3:00 PM EDT
ONE minute
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with
@ThomasCarlPion
copies of
#LOMiS
at the ready
https://t.co/pLdGBXxnrL
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 2:52 PM EDT
10 minutes to go until Language of Maths in Scienc
https://t.co/4oxKZLUt5y
e
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Get your copy ready.
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:00 PM EDT
Evening all. Another
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This one on Language of Maths in Science. Have you got your free download?
https://t.co/huBVXZsbmm
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:03 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
Evening!Ready for
#ASEChat
to discuss using mathematics in science teaching. What guidance would be most useful to teachers?
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:03 PM EDT
Robin Millar says This publication makes a major contribution to the relationships tween maths & sci
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https://t.co/qd7TvPae5G
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:04 PM EDT
Which chapter in
#LOMiS
is your first dip into the text?
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teachingofsci
Jun 13 @ 3:04 PM EDT
If you weren't already bored with my teacher tweets, the next hour will be about the language of maths in science as part of
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:05 PM EDT
.
@ThomasCarlPion
says that it will be useful for many years to come - no doubt about that
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JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Fostering a spirit of cooperation between maths and science departments is high on my list
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:06 PM EDT
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@NeedhamL56
A good question 'cause it is huge and very rich. Start with the familiar and something in which you can involve Ma dept
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:07 PM EDT
Drawing graphs "think about the purpose ...and what kind of display is best for representing the data” p35, 'we' think its obvious
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@damianainscough
@ThomasCarlPion
The importance of mathematics in understanding science needs to be clearly articulated
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
I'm straight to Proportionality and ratio. I think students find this very hard
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gregtheseal
Jun 13 @ 3:07 PM EDT
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good evening everyone, just downloaded my guide. Now if you could summarise it for me that would be great. :)
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:08 PM EDT
@JonScott46
Do you have any tips for lubricating this interdepartmental relationship, Jon?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:09 PM EDT
#asechat
- Chapter 4? Drawing charts and graphs; Or 2 - Doing calculations and representing values ?
@NeedhamL56
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:09 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
Be consistent - phys, bi, chem singing from the same hymn sheet and maths depts know what hymns we are singing
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:09 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
In summary I would suggest that it all needs digesting, but not in a single sitting
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mccormackpj
Jun 13 @ 3:09 PM EDT
I started by mapping out all the maths skills across the PoS and embedding the into the SoL
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:10 PM EDT
I went straight to the graphs Ch 4, but was immediately redirected to Ch 3 as more to it than meets the eye
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https://t.co/az7I73MTHG
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:06 PM EDT
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@NeedhamL56
A good question 'cause it is huge and very rich. Start with the familiar and something in which you can involve Ma dept
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@gregtheseal
I would go further and suggest not all teachers of the same science discipline agree on rules of thumb
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
I think it needs to sit side by side with planning docs - refer to relevant sections whenever maths come up in SoW
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:11 PM EDT
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Discuss when and to whom diff elements are taught - can vary from Y9 to 11 depending on attainment in Ma (which may be diff 2 Sc)
JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
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yes: it won't happen naturally. You will find yourselves teaching the same technique differently at different times
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
not for me, need to check my understanding of the familiar first so I could build up to the more challenging ideas
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LessonToolbox
Jun 13 @ 3:12 PM EDT
"Scalectrix Race Day" workshop with Adam Dean at
#LTaLSC16
in Leicester
https://t.co/QS1s8WEnUE
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#ukedchat
https://t.co/5YhAz0xE2r
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@JonScott46
and probably find teaching same techniques for different purposes too. There are science and maths differences in aims
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@JonScott46
I think this is so important. Students need different perspectives on the same ideas in order to internalise them
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:14 PM EDT
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Talk with Ma department about these and when first taught. SHARE teaching with Ma, don't rely on them
https://t.co/YSbQB5xptM
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@damianainscough
some of these ideas need introducing earlier than traditional. Where do you teach area to lead to SA/vol ratio?
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JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
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so there is a need to understand each other's specs and approaches, or much frustration may follow. Works both ways!
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
'identify, approaches taken in mathematics teaching that may influence what is done in science lessons.'
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#LoMiSaims
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@JonScott46
Absolutely. What can science depts provide to make life easier for maths colleagues?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:16 PM EDT
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Carry out a 'confident to *teach poll' with your staff to reveal strengths and weaknesses (*for understanding, NOT 'tricks')
teacherchalky1
Jun 13 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@JonScott46
@ViciaScience
And when each teach different concepts
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@JonScott46
Indeed 'Consistency between mathematics and science is clearly desirable wherever possible:'
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#LoMiSaims
JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
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they do, but initially they must recognise where techniques are essentially the same
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:18 PM EDT
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@ViciaScience
@JonScott46
If it's needed first, teach it first (with guidance from Ma colleagues as required)
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:18 PM EDT
p109 Volume units: "The accepted units [in science] are cubic centimetres (1 cm 3 = 1 ml) and cubic decimetres (1 dm 3 = 1 l)
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@damianainscough
and then use results to see if those who are confident use similar approaches to avoid confusing pupils
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@JonScott46
Indeed - and we need to help them see that, because students naturally compartmentalise their thinking
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@JonScott46
Sometimes mathematical ideas taught at different ages to different maths 'sets' in same school
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:21 PM EDT
Where do tweachers think the biggest problems FOR STUDENTS will be in the new GCSEs wrt maths content?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:21 PM EDT
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How much research evidence is there about different methods of teaching maths? Which methods have greatest impact on maths undstg?
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:22 PM EDT
@damianainscough
Good question. Maybe
@MaryUYSEG
could answer that?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:22 PM EDT
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Ofqual research suggests teachers think sc calculations are harder than the students actually find them (to be publ in July 16)
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:22 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
Anxiety being expressed that students need to memorise specific formulae in GCSE physics
#wrongapproach
?
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JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
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yes, to a surprising degree. Often found simple rearranging of a=bc does not transfer from maths to science
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:23 PM EDT
Check out the front page of
@theASE
vote open until 30th June for Chair elect
https://t.co/48M3L6MH6p
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
Primary school
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MaryUYSEG
Jun 13 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@damianainscough
don’t know we need to ask our maths colleagues
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@damianainscough
push in maths to promote teaching conceptual rather than procedural maths, ie for understanding, not right answer
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@damianainscough
At the moment exam questions usually just involve multiplying the numbers in the questions (GCSE physics anyway)
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SteveTeachPhys
Jun 13 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
but not accepted in P because neither is SI!!
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@damianainscough
I'm marking GCSE scripts at the moment. Maths questions are where the students ARE scoring.
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#lackofrigour
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@JonScott46
@ThomasCarlPion
because a=bc has different meaning to F=ma?
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jk_graves
Jun 13 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@JonScott46
@ThomasCarlPion
spoken to maths about using science eqs in their lessons eg f=ma. small work for them but might help
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
Yes, which has proved easier said than done with Ma departments under so much pressure to get results
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@damianainscough
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see Jo Boaler book developing growth mindset in maths
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
I don't think this debate will ever be settled.Have to deal with the problem. SOME rote learning is not unacceptable.
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teachingofsci
Jun 13 @ 3:28 PM EDT
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sorry, dealing with 11 going on 15 yo. i'm going to log off, far too stressed to be constructive now.
Yorks_Bunny
Jun 13 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@damianainscough
that's what I'm finding - maths scoring points
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:29 PM EDT
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@stevethedoc1
@ViciaScience
https://t.co/ePRhtcZz5b
JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
#ASEChat
Indeed! And students need specific guidance to transfer the skill.
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:29 PM EDT
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I think reading and understanding graphs a greater problem than calculations.
stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@damianainscough
@ViciaScience
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followed by her latest with carol Dweck
SteveTeachPhys
Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@jk_graves
@JonScott46
need to get them to use huge. & tiny numbers as well, too often maths use small integers - no transfer
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
teach formulae alongside units to help reinforce. Use units to check formula
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Science_HOD
Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM EDT
Hashtag hijack RT & Sign up.
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JonScott46
Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
#ASEChat
At times students have told me that they can only 'do' a certain piece of maths in the maths lesson
Yorks_Bunny
Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
as is applying ideas to new context
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
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could be solved with AKSIS resource GTGWG
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
Particularly the concept of *rate* -
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM EDT
We did this too
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https://t.co/SsgkGzQJYP
jk_graves
Jun 13 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@JonScott46
@ThomasCarlPion
spoken to maths about using science eqs in their lessons eg f=ma. small work for them but might help
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:31 PM EDT
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Let's keep the Ma in perspective + certainly not suggest to sts that 'maths is hard' -they seem to be finding it easier thn we thnk
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
and understanding the purposes of a graph and the relationship of variables is essential prior knowledge
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:32 PM EDT
P3 "Knowing how to apply mathematical ideas in science is often a matter of using judgement”
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#LOMiS
What is the purpose?
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:33 PM EDT
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@stevethedoc1
@ViciaScience
https://t.co/kkJLkbn2Gy
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@JonScott46
@ThomasCarlPion
Often they do not understand the task as different language used in each classroom
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Yorks_Bunny
Jun 13 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@theASE
thank you... *goes rummaging in the spare room*
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@A_Weatherall
understanding the meaning of 'gradient' and a gradient can have units (in science, rarely in maths)
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
But LoMiS will go a long way to solving this. How do we get it out to non-ASE members?
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ellie_scicomm
Jun 13 @ 3:35 PM EDT
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this is a big topic in Europe to. Be great to see some of your creative teaching methods entered into
https://t.co/TsEKWZyEX2
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:37 PM EDT
When should science teach standard form - before or after unit prefixes, or scale of microscopes and planets?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:37 PM EDT
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@stevethedoc1
@ViciaScience
Here it is Steve
https://t.co/hB6MRscpxv
@joboaler
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
agreed. The story of the graph as well. How to read it.
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@damianainscough
@ViciaScience
@joboaler
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currently on chapter 7
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
The guidance is being used by awarding bodies to review their questions and should filter down thru examinations
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
Needs to be taught in tandem with the equation, not after it. Connect the meanings of the graph and the formula.
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SteveTeachPhys
Jun 13 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
often maths qs are "find %""factorise" or "rearrange" ours "blah blah number blah number blah find the % efficiency"
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gregtheseal
Jun 13 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
I would go before unit prefixes. It allows you to run into lots of areas
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
will be pleased to hear that
@ASEpublications
are exploring plans to revisit 'Getting to Grips with Graphs'
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@damianainscough
@ViciaScience
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8 so far as providing material to encourage work with others to go for maths
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
But many graphs in science do not represent mathematical relationships. More physics that ch or biol.
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
@ViciaScience
students more familiar now with unit prefixes linked to digital uses, (Mega/ giga) build on those first?
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@joboaler
Any opinions on this?
https://t.co/g8l1yJmY7B
New doc to support teaching of Ma in new English science GCSEs
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@ViciaScience
@ASEpublications
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it would be good ....... One day!!!
stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:42 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@gregtheseal
@ViciaScience
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agreed Primary understand mega gigs etc easy
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:43 PM EDT
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So, how can we best use this to have impact in a busy science department?
#LoMiS
https://t.co/g8l1yJmY7B
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
so teach standard form in Y7? (Before milli, kilo, micro and mega?) This would be much earlier than maths.
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:43 PM EDT
Has anyone found anything they think is controversial in LoMiS? I know there were a LOT of discussions on certain topics.
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@damianainscough
@joboaler
#LoMiS
not particularly linked 2 new GCSEs, but to respond to growing disquiet with maths in science
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1/2
gregtheseal
Jun 13 @ 3:44 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@ViciaScience
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I think lots of students have heard the words but don’t really understand what they mean.
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:44 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
Stage not age. I know lots of year 7s who would handle standard form and lots who couldn't.
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:44 PM EDT
#LoMiS
will remain long after new GCSEs are dead and buried ideas are fundamental not to respond to exam specs
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
@ViciaScience
@ASEpublications
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always on lookout for second hand copies for colleagues who missed it originally
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@joboaler
Yes - fair point - more maths in science for age 11-16
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
@ViciaScience
Up to us to teach them, easier to start now, as words are familiar
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
@NeedhamL56
Problems with prefixes is when asked 'how many times bigger is X than Y?', as in microscope scaling
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
Number lines in science labs would help!
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@damianainscough
the guide is part 1. Teaching approaches booklet to follow shortly
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hrogerson
Jun 13 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
not yet, I think because I don't know it is controversial until I discuss it with the maths department
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
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we always have rulers available!!!
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@damianainscough
M has always been there, those pages in spec often ignored, only because % stipulated has everyone out in a rash
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@damianainscough
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this will be the secret, need quality approaches and tasks etc
SteveTeachPhys
Jun 13 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@gregtheseal
we teach multipliers rather than SF with units in 7, but it's a long slog until maths 1st teach SF in Y9
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ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@damianainscough
The documents will be a useful resource for INSET. Joint maths and science.
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@ThomasCarlPion
Problems with scale start when look beyond the resolution of rulers, e.g. nucleus (cell or atom?)
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@SteveTeachPhys
@ViciaScience
@gregtheseal
is it because they are not ready for it *Piaget* ? runs and hides…
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hrogerson
Jun 13 @ 3:51 PM EDT
On Saturday Ofqual were saying that teachers in their study judged calculation questions to be harder than students found them.
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@gregtheseal
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introduce it 3×10^8 m/s with Y7/8
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@damianainscough
no magic bullets promised. 'Recognise problem, discuss with colleagues, try something, review '
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Amie_Science
Jun 13 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@damianainscough
we've got more maths in our new KS3 than any previous schemes. Feedback is that students are handling it well
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
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ruler is simply a number line
EllieERussell
Jun 13 @ 3:52 PM EDT
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. I suspect we don't help the kids as well if we already assume this is some of the harder stuff too!
https://t.co/BDT3psL9xu
hrogerson
Jun 13 @ 3:51 PM EDT
On Saturday Ofqual were saying that teachers in their study judged calculation questions to be harder than students found them.
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Amie_Science
Jun 13 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@ThomasCarlPion
we'd like to use it to. It will help us standardise our publishing. Great resource
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@SteveTeachPhys
@gregtheseal
Often SF is reserved for higher tiers, which seems unfortunate to me
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@EllieERussell
@hrogerson
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precisely, they can do it!!!
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@Amie_Science
We should give our students more credit. Teachers find change difficult but students don't know it's change!
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:54 PM EDT
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How familiar are we with primary school maths? - son is *teaching* some of what he did in Y9 - to YEAR 4
https://t.co/v5bMhDH1LM
stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@SteveTeachPhys
@gregtheseal
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Sad that we limit what some are allowed to access
gregtheseal
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@SteveTeachPhys
all they need is a good calculator
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@hrogerson
Did they say anything about probability and proportion - both of which are fundamental to science understanding?
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SteveTeachPhys
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@ViciaScience
@gregtheseal
I'm a concrete vs abstract fan, but I do think Ma curric underestimate what many can do
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
I agree with this - we know it's harder, but they don't (unless we go and blab)
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https://t.co/YFiAvQt4Wh
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@Amie_Science
We should give our students more credit. Teachers find change difficult but students don't know it's change!
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ruthyie
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@hrogerson
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It was intriguing. We were left a little optimistic but wondering if we had simply taught them to persevere with calcs.
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Hear
@ViciaScience
run 2 sessions at my Sci Leadership conference
https://t.co/AzlZbctVXF
12 July and bonus keynote
@ASEChairChris
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EllieERussell
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
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My Yr 4 daughter was analysing distance time graphs last month!
https://t.co/9H2Q8D67kk
damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:54 PM EDT
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How familiar are we with primary school maths? - son is *teaching* some of what he did in Y9 - to YEAR 4
https://t.co/v5bMhDH1LM
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Last 5 minutes folks. What is the summary message for this evening's
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Amie_Science
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@ThomasCarlPion
defo. They seem to be coping well - when it's not labelled as hard and is just a natural part of science from y7
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damianainscough
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
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@ViciaScience
@SteveTeachPhys
@gregtheseal
ASSESSED in higher tiers
ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@ThomasCarlPion
Ah! Two rulers, one reversed with '0' at centre?
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hrogerson
Jun 13 @ 3:58 PM EDT
I think that maths and science departments have got to get together. We are certainly looking forward to it
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https://t.co/DhIJfE9PEn
ThomasCarlPion
Jun 13 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Last 5 minutes folks. What is the summary message for this evening's
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Amie_Science
Jun 13 @ 3:58 PM EDT
We're working with our maths colleagues too to ensure we're sharing ideas & contexts to support dev of maths skills
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NeedhamL56
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Jun 13 @ 3:58 PM EDT
Now, that’s something else to watch… calculators and BODMAS
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gregtheseal
Jun 13 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@SteveTeachPhys
all they need is a good calculator
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stevethedoc1
Jun 13 @ 3:59 PM EDT
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or even stuck to lab bench
hrogerson
Jun 13 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@ruthyie
I think that is probably the case, plus most can do *something* with a calculation Q.
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ViciaScience
Jun 13 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@SteveTeachPhys
@gregtheseal
Agreed - in general we are often guilty of underestimating pupils capacity to learn
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