#formativechat Archive
Discuss the implementation, impact of Formative and formative assessment.
Monday January 18, 2016
7:00 PM EST
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Thanks Peter! We've got another weather related Q for you tonight!
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So excited, just can't hide it
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Welcome to everyone! I will be co-moderating
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Welcome Niko! I don't think tonight's intro Q will apply to you...you'll see!
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We are going to be talking about how to without going crazy! learn strategies to save time!
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Please start with your location and your current temp with windchill!
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Peter Chicago suburbs, real is 4 degrees feels like -15...
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I was super surprised until I saw the link!
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Hey peeps. Shai from State College, PA. Math Teacher!
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hi from Pittsburgh, I teach Spanish, wind chill -12
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Hello, ! Angela from ATL. Real temp is 28, feels like 20. ⛄️
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hasn't felt above 0 since Saturday!
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what is your current temperature with windchill?
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Weather...Well, it stinks! It is really cold. My ears don't like it. The weather...cold with a chance of being really cold!
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Time for a quick science lesson! How do they determine the wind chill factor?
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Hey Angela! Welcome to ! Holy cow! Is it snowing?
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thanks for the ideas with the equations in !
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does it not have something to do with the rate at which the body loses heat?
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I think Maria is winning with "feels like -3"!
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Just checked to be official. It is 10 degrees F with a real feel of -5 degrees. Brrrr. Snow expected tomorrow.
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Hi Mary from CT 24 degrees feels like 10 degrees - sitting with blanket and dog to stay warm!
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Also, Happy MLK day everyone!
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No...that's just how I feel! Being a true Georgia Peach, any cold weather makes me into a snowman. 😂
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You are more than welcomed!
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I know what you mean being for Cali
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We are going to go ahead and get started with Q1!
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Don't forget the Q1 and A1 format!
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Nope, I beat that! Although this is one time I would rather lose and let someone else win.
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Kudos to@rdene915 for inspiring this topic!
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Ummm...something to do with the humidity, wind speed?
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A1: Students are able to work at their own pace.
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Kudos to for inspiring this topic!
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A1: all students are able to succeed! allows learners to learn at different paces and ability levels.
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A1) Because all Ss learn differently & at different rates, Ts can maximize success by targeting their strengths & weaknesses
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What's up Melanie from Indiana here.It's 10°, but feels like Siberia. Just home from Pulse class, now snuggling w/dachshund.
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And kudos to as well for tonight's topic!
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A1: Ss don't feel like they're competing, grades are no longer a competive thing, work at own pace, Ss see success faster
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A1: really all about the S, Ind. Lear. helps keep that focus
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Yes! individual pacing is how and why of individualized instruction!
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A1 Ss indiv needs are met, Ts can provide opps for Ss to drive their learning, set goals, give meaningfl fdbk
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Awesome to have you with us Mrs. Meyers!
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Oh no, I just have some ideas for not going crazy :)
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Also helps Ss measure personal growth, not in comp to rest of class. Good for both ends of spectrum
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Is that ever important! Measure personal success. No more comparing!
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We'll try to get some more ideas here as well!!
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A1: Students who need extra help can actually GET IT.
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love this! yes! it's about relative and not absolute growth
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I no longer hear from S to S, "What did you get on...." It's not about the grade anymore.
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Right on! I would have appreciated that extra help in school!
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A1: Not being focused on "Keeping Up with the Jones's" is a great start!
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That's awesome!how do you think they develop that mindset with ind. instruction? what's the key?
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Question 2 coming up ..........
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extra help is great/essential not always possible, biggest challenge not letting S fall through the cracks
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we can help students get to this place by providing them with actionable rather than judgmental feedback!
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Key has to be ind feedback! Point out what they did right, how to improve what they missed https://t.co/EdAATVMOKS
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That's awesome!how do you think they develop that mindset with ind. instruction? what's the key?
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A1 Depends greatly on Ss age and skillset, according to Vygotsky peer learning and social context more important
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ahh! I definitely agree that ind. feedback drives personal reflection rather than comparison with peers!
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I think once a Ss has an ILP, they just aren't focused on what others are doing. https://t.co/HRBfDGDcYe
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That's awesome!how do you think they develop that mindset with ind. instruction? what's the key?
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or guide them to errors and let them figure out what they missed!
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I didn't think about it that way...
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Also, I HATE grades, so I don't harp on them. I harp on the learning. https://t.co/HRBfDGDcYe
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That's awesome!how do you think they develop that mindset with ind. instruction? what's the key?
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A2: as HS teacher, I see the gaps, sometimes Ss think its to late to fix,
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A2) Time - the prob that has so few solutions! :( Recycling throughout yr can help. Ss who didn't get 1st time may get 2nd
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A2: Start with solid curriculum. If we don't have the "what" is taught, we cannot find a path to the "how" & understanding.
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I am thinking that I might use painter's tape or duct tape, and just put them all over my walls.
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A2: gaps in math/english really really build up. Ss realize by high school and it can be too late. No one can pass the buck
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I second that! We need to let future teachers know student strengths and weaknesses based on our exp. withthem
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Disagree. It's never too late as long as Ss are willing to keep trying & Ts don't give up.
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Q2: having students choose goals for assignments forces them to self assess and be in charge of their learning
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A2 need time to work w/Ss, ongoing fdbk, collab helps, set new goals, just cant give up
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A2: You asked, I will state. allows for the individual time, f2f time with EVERY Ss. Strong believer in flipping.
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Teachers, especially new, need to have the tools and training to be successful!
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I sure hope that the Ss will spins their wheels and try to catch up. I have a S doing that right now.
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love it Shai! I never got into flipping, but I can see how it would be great for ind. student pacing
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Yes! Plus, provides library of res for ALL Ss to refer to at their own speed when THEY need
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A2: I agree with ! A strong curriculum is key and knowing how it builds upon previous grades and future ones
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I agree and disagree. Gaps CAN be shortened (maybe not disappear in everything). Needs to start in elem though
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A2: we started a PBIS program at the E level; kids get noticed/helpif problems. interesting 2 see if change when get 2 me
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A3: Give Ss choice in digital tool they might use to create an end product to demonstrate understanding.
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The options afforded by are engaging for many students!
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That has to be planned out ahead of time though, don't you think?
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A3: it can be as simple as adding their name/knowing things they are interested in & develop conversation with those interest
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A3) As a French T, I was able to allow Ss some freedom in how they chose to show mastery - choice of tool, focus of pres, etc
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Not really. Ss will eventually know what tools they love to use. They just choose the one they want!
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do you think they are mutually exclusive? are there ways to blend self pacing and collaboration?
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i was just checking out NoRedInk and the app does a neat job of asking Ss their interests & adapting. can see this growing
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A3: Build a question around a Ss interest and they know you and !
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I often pose a problem statement or question and tell them to go!
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A3 Let Ss have a choice in how to show learning, I like letting them choose & seeing variety
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I love Ss choice, but it is very hard for me to offer choice if I don't plan for it ahead of time.
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definitely! you have to set limits!
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You would be surprised! I had Ss turn in an Assign this week. The variety and ideas were awesome!
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A3: hour is all Ss interests also writers workshop where Ss choose the writing they want to do based on standards
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or maybe a better word than limits, you need to have structure to help students act on choices
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A3) Allowing students to pitch in their own ideas works wonders. Doing an arg. essay? Let them come up with a topic.
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A3: As a former math teacher, in class discussions, I would draw from what I knew about students based on non academic diss.
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Interesting. When I do the all I tell them my only stipulation is it has eyes and wearing clothes. 1/2
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2/2 The variety of I get is absolutely amazing. So, I guess I might not be surprised.
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Excellent! I'll have to try that!
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A3: It feels silly 2 say (so simple!) I take things I know they like & use in word problems/story/examples. They like it. :)
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Helpful2have honest,private convos w/Ss to discuss learning needs&skills gaps. Build relationships 1st, nothing matters more
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You are absolutely correct!
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I'm like a bull in a china shop. I just take off and go. The end result is unknown but I'm excited to see it. :-)
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definitely! and with enough time to get to know your students, you can do this on the fly verbally!
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I am excited to hear your ideas!
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I used to create scenarios around the Ss, their prefs, what they did in/out of class. They always ❤️ it!
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Key is to keep the different learners together and and let their own inquiries drive their learning
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A4) Having students working on a separate activity while having one-on-one conferences is a strategy I really like.
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A4: I use to do my FA so that I can watch live results and have immediate f2f convos to give feedback.
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I tried this with Ss, we all are learning, the how we teach each other & I know where we need to be in the end.
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A4: google docs have helped but I have to remind sometimes to look - hard copy more concrete for some; verbal feedback also
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A4 (Jumping in a little late!) I use add on Form Mule to reply to student info Google Form responses. Kids like feedback.
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A4: I taught students problem solving Q to ask themselves +checked in with them about these. Formulaic Q but unique responses
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I agree-the comments ability is amazing!
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Hey Lisa! Great to have you with us!
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It sounds like I need to use Form Mule!
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how does this help you give feedback?
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A4: to give individual feedback, i like to be efficient with tools like & unleash Ss to give each other feedback
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I agree and do this as well. I like the immediate, but with the bigger-whole class conversation as well!
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"educators need to recognize the resilience they are showing already." *slow clap*
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A4 I've found using formative assessments helps me group students so feedback is similar.I like the idea of peer feedback too
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Also helps to teach Ss how to give peer feedback - sometimes comments from a peer sticks better than from a T
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A4 For feedback on S writing, choose a target skill, offer feedback on THAT only. Ull find greater success, less stress
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I ask Ss to "check in" or answer questions on Google Form. Form Mule allows me to reply to them individually.
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As long as the Ss are taught how to give that feedback first. We can't assume Ss know how.
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and they don't have to try and decipher my handwriting!
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A4# Googles docs and Showbie help a lot with giving feedback; quick face2face convos while Ss are working
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Agree! Quick think-pair-share/turn n talks are great for generating immediate feedback for Ss
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Exactly! Each class reqs diff feedback, so class should start w/that lesson!
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great "soft skill" to know how to give constructive feedback
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If I keep seeing the same mistakes, I will have a large class convo as well. Sometimes very powerful.
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Form Mule sounds like something I have to check out!
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A5: My situation allows for such conversations but only 1X/Week. Interested to hear from others!
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I'm stoked that is participating in Twitterchat w/me.She's not my teacherbaby anymore! I 💖connected Ts!
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A5: That's why I LOVE . I don't worry about this. I have authentic convo with every Ss every class. No lecture!
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A5 In 2016 (& upcoming new cycle) I will have Ss self assess at end of class,so if I missed them that day I catch them next
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A5: 45 min, 20-30 Ss & instruction. Meaningful everyday is unrealistic. Find ways, I get them in the hall, lunchroom, gym...
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A5: By doing an "In-Flip" Classroom I am able to walk around and provide more 1on1 help.
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Q5: has to be priority not hopeful intention; the more you let Ss be in charge the more time you have for individual convos
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Agreed! I meant more in the context of a week!
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A5) Not in classroom anymore & my last classes had no more than 17 Ss. Made it easy to have those convos
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I use this technique on reteaching skills often. Works well!
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A5: another BIG challenge with classes of 20-25 Ss; every so often - check-in using I ask how things are and reply
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Q6 coming up.............
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I will stick with my answer! If I see them I have an opportunity for that conversation,
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I love that absent kids can refer to old class lesson videos.
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A5: EASY! Like good parenting,little chats matter.Get away from your desk&computer,make eye contact,greet/goodbye,show joy
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A5: small groups, independent Ss, Ts groups or if age appropriate Ts can visit groups and mediate Ss https://t.co/yonvhFxd8j
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A5: I used to keep track of who I talked to! Want to make sure regular basis meant once a week at least
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I completely agree that convos can happen anywhere and should. Ss like it when you acknowledge them.
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great idea. Will try to do that.
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A5: Bc sometimes Ss just want to be noticed.Wait!ALL THE TIME they want to be noticed. So take time to notice your Ss
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A6: Although I don't do it and would love to move toward it, but would be great for this.
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A5 Greet them at the door, make it a point, building relatshps very imprtnt, move around CR a lot
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I really would love to host a Even thought before/after school hours.
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A6: I am not terribly good at this, and would love to hear/see responses.
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an "In-Class Flip" Ss watch videos in class for instruction vs BEFORE class or at home in classic Flip.
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A6: Students who feel empowered will climb all the mountains! A good T will show em the way, then get out of their way!
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It's where you allow students to follow their own passions, explore, create, dive deeper. No limits.
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I had a group of Ss working on continuous project numbers using diff base systems and binary! They quickly took over!
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Kinda of scary though. (But were scary to me at first too!)
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A6: In any subject, you can have them create their own assessments and assess each other
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I enjoyed chatting tonight but now I've got to get my kids in bed & get ready for a new day tomorrow w/ students! Goodnight!
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I create my own videos, but you can always post others from YouTube, etc.
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I've done that, and the Ss try to make the assessments so terribly tough that it really is ends up meaningless.
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