#elngsschat Archive
Thursday May 12, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Here we go!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Intro yourself & UR location,UR position. We are talking about explanations in science tonight.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Giving priority to evidence and explanation is our thing.
#elngsschat
JStainton4
May 12 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Jen and Charlotte from VT! Excited to chat!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:02 PM EDT
so I'm feeling like I am talking to myself. I'm Kathy and looking forward to talking with you all
#elngsschat
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Kimber is here and ready to chat.
#elngsschat
Altered__Ego
May 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
We are live! I'm Abha from
#PennState
here to talk about explanations in science!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
We had a great day beginning with CER and the onto coherent content science storylines.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
SCIED geek and prof at Penn State!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
So this is what we did today
#elngsschat
https://t.co/vGaQpetN8q
leeanna_hooper
May 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
LeeAnna from State College, PA...Science Methods Instructor and doctoral candidate! Excited to be tweeting with you all!
#elngsschat
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Suzan Locke from Vermont is here.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Such a great day with VT educators!
#elngsschat
https://t.co/y5N6ab2I6v
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
So this is what we did today
#elngsschat
https://t.co/vGaQpetN8q
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:07 PM EDT
What part does constructing explanations play in your science instruction?
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Calling ALL
@NGSS_tweeps
and
#NGSSchat
#elngsschat
leeanna_hooper
May 12 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Constructing explanations is at the heart of my instruction and allows me to bring in all of the science practices.
#elngsschat
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Kids in my class talk and write explanations in comically enhanced science journals
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Constructing explanations from evidence in science engages students in multiple scientific practices. It's the centerpiece!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
CER is a framework for building explanations with students. How have U used CER?
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
I would to hear more . Please share
#elngsschat
https://t.co/gf7f4ns0OW
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Kids in my class talk and write explanations in comically enhanced science journals
#elngsschat
RAazzerah
May 12 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Learning currently about how to incorporate NGSS and ELP standards....
#elngsschat
https://t.co/5JLjAQq6hn
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Rachel can you share a bit more with the group?
#elngsschat
https://t.co/UUg600Y7zn
RAazzerah
May 12 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Learning currently about how to incorporate NGSS and ELP standards....
#elngsschat
https://t.co/5JLjAQq6hn
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:14 PM EDT
I use CER for many purposes, including planning for 3D instruction.
#elngsschat
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
#elngsschat
https://t.co/D01Smujr9f
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
CER helps Ss make meaning. Ss find the evidence and then come up with a tentative claim.
#elngsschat
JStainton4
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
CERs after a class debate on energy resources let me see how students are bringing it all together
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Colleagues Kate McNeill and
@krajcikjoe
wrote the book on CER!
#elngsschat
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:16 PM EDT
CER informs student learning of 3D.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
What part does phenomena play in CER and how have you determined the phenomena ?
#elngsschat
NGSS_tweeps
May 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
What part does phenomena play in CER and how have you determined the phenomena ?
#elngsschat
RAazzerah
May 12 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Okhee Lee is helping educators understand how to help EL students acquire science language by developing models....
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:18 PM EDT
And
@czem
and
@kmbrhersh
wrote "What's Evidence?"
#elngsschat
https://t.co/dADifkifHq
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Colleagues Kate McNeill and
@krajcikjoe
wrote the book on CER!
#elngsschat
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Determine phenomenon by starting with framework and developing a question.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
...and collect more data to make decisions about whether their claim explains phenomena or needs to be adjusted.
#elngsschat
leeanna_hooper
May 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Phenomena is what motivates my students to construct explanations about how the world works.
#elngsschat
Altered__Ego
May 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
CER creates an avenue for students to think of scientific practices
#elngsschat
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:21 PM EDT
It gets students wondering and questioning.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Phenomena do not need to be phenomenal!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Learning from today.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/E80zdTGN6D
caahayes
May 12 @ 11:26 AM EDT
CER training VT
@NSTA
@KRScienceLady
- charging with batteries & coffee mugs
https://t.co/nQc3h4F2QV
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Phenomena provide context for sustained investigation.
#elngsschat
RAazzerah
May 12 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Modeling the relationships between the eye, object in the box, path of light and open space.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/kKod1MjUeX
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
There are some resources available to determine the criteria for good phenomena
@Ted_NSTA
and
@philiplbell
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@suzanlocke
...and creates a reason for kids to want to investigate and explain.
#elngsschat
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
#elngsschat
How strong is a bag of air ? makes a powerful phenomenon for understanding force and motion.
https://t.co/1VkEGZDjCw
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
.
@kmbrhersh
In Rowanda! Very cool!
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
#elngsschat
. Kathy, just home from school, jumping in late!
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Speaking of phenomena
#elngsschat
https://t.co/Nvw2D1ek9V
JStainton4
May 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Science Phenomena are things that make you go huh...
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:27 PM EDT
.
@kmgill135
Welcome!
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:27 PM EDT
#elngsschat
jumping in from my daughter's choir concert. Im Dawn and i teach k-5th grade science in Indy.
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:27 PM EDT
.
@Ted_NSTA
this is your song.Are you juggling and singing?
#elngsschat
https://t.co/1JPzVPLQR9
philiplbell
May 12 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
@Ted_NSTA
here's one from
@bpenuel
and Iā¦
https://t.co/oOj1As7GFA
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:28 PM EDT
#elngsschat
The CER is the loop back to the phenomenon. How do your investigations help to explain the phenomenon?
JStainton4
May 12 @ 8:29 PM EDT
Phenomena can be seen anywhere!
#elngsschat
https://t.co/tnL7zqY4Cm
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:30 PM EDT
.
@philiplbell
@KRScienceLady
@Ted_NSTA
@bpenuel
Hi Phil! Shared
@STEMTeachTools
with VT educators today.
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:31 PM EDT
My students (4th/5th graders)have a hard time with the Reasoning part. Any suggestions on how to scaffold this?
#elngsschat
NGSS_tweeps
May 12 @ 8:32 PM EDT
How does CER help students make meaning of complex ideas?
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:32 PM EDT
How does CER help students make meaning of complex ideas?
#elngsschat
leeanna_hooper
May 12 @ 8:32 PM EDT
.
@kmgill135
Great question!
#elngsschat
https://t.co/FLSmqRrtDJ
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:31 PM EDT
My students (4th/5th graders)have a hard time with the Reasoning part. Any suggestions on how to scaffold this?
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:33 PM EDT
.
@kmgill135
We've been using CCC to flesh out the WHY of a claim-evidence connection. Promising so far.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Thinking about phenomena
https://t.co/r8PZrXoTGd
.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Thinking about phenomena
https://t.co/xXcmwwPUp8
.
#elngsschat
tjscience
May 12 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Phenomena just need to be intriguing - cause authentic questions in all students
https://t.co/Im0kHEnirC
#elngsschat
#ngss
bickd
May 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
#elngsschat
CER allows students to process their ideas into coherent thoughts that they can communicate with others.
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
#elngsschat
How do you use CCC?
https://t.co/mypty50LNs
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:33 PM EDT
.
@kmgill135
We've been using CCC to flesh out the WHY of a claim-evidence connection. Promising so far.
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
I love Kate McNeil. She is always so nice when I email her. A great wealth of knowledge.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/EAAXC7h1yw
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Colleagues Kate McNeill and
@krajcikjoe
wrote the book on CER!
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@kmgill135
#elngsschat
i start with sentence starters for those that need help. I also model with verbal examples for those that need help
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:36 PM EDT
Thank you TJ
#elngsschat
https://t.co/uKvuumuqyA
tjscience
May 12 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Phenomena just need to be intriguing - cause authentic questions in all students
https://t.co/Im0kHEnirC
#elngsschat
#ngss
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:37 PM EDT
What part does discourse play in CER?.
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@LPugh3
@czem
@krajcikjoe
#elngsschat
What's her email?
NGSS_tweeps
May 12 @ 8:37 PM EDT
What part does discourse play in CER?.
#elngsschat
Ted_NSTA
May 12 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
A easier to read version
#elngsschat
https://t.co/GPhRVxUVo8
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:38 PM EDT
Modeling with students by writing CER as a whole group. Helps to guide discuss around CCC.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:38 PM EDT
.
@tjscience
Shared your resources today, as well. Awesome!
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
I thank you!
#elngsschat
https://t.co/Qc4KlkRAON
Ted_NSTA
May 12 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
A easier to read version
#elngsschat
https://t.co/GPhRVxUVo8
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@bickd
#elngsschat
My students can start the sentence but have trouble with the deep thinking required to complete the sentence!
bickd
May 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@kmgill135
#elngsschat
the earlier you start using CER, the better students will do with it. encourage 2nd and 3rd grade Ts to use it too.
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Discourse is a precursor for students before writing.
#elngsschat
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Productive discourse is essential for sense-making.
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@kmgill135
#elngsschat
i start CER at third grade, first week of school. At first they need lots of support and modeling- now they dont.
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Talk allows students to try out their ideas on peers, allows 4 Ss 2 ask each other ?s, probe each other's thinking
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Modeling is so essential for students.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/2eh19gvztK
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:38 PM EDT
Modeling with students by writing CER as a whole group. Helps to guide discuss around CCC.
#elngsschat
JStainton4
May 12 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Discourse allows Ss to process the evidence and construct reasoning together
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@bickd
#elngsschat
So true, I need to remember they are novices with this.
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Ss need opportunity for lots of practice with CER, learning takes time.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
How do you make student thinking visible in your classroom ?
#elngsschat
https://t.co/HgeQyNaOwt
bickd
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
@kmgill135
#elngsschat
maybe have them think pair share before they write to encourage deeper reasoning
tjscience
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Promoting Sensory Friendly Day today about science for all students - laughing IS a science practice
https://t.co/CHG5D3xfws
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Discourse helps Ss to build on their current understanding of phenomena. Whether it's clarifying or supporting understanding.
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:43 PM EDT
I started a model wall this year. Lots of public thinking.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:43 PM EDT
Learning is messy..time to practice , grapple with ideas
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Especially when it comes to reasoning. I think teachers need practice too. It's new to many.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/bJHc4K0H9k
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Ss need opportunity for lots of practice with CER, learning takes time.
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
this is great! Love that it includes evidence
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
I love how Kathy McNeil points out that evidence is not just text but observation from investigations.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/KCXALqd4TP
bickd
May 12 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
this is great! Love that it includes evidence
#elngsschat
kmbrhersh
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Talking, listening, using evidence, adding on, disagreeing and agreeing all help students make meaning so they can write claims.
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@LPugh3
@KRScienceLady
#elngsschat
Ss arent used to it.SS are used to finding right answer, not thinking on their own, have to be retrained.
NGSS_tweeps
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
What challenges have you found using CER in the classroom?
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
What challenges have you found using CER in the classroom?
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
I love how Kate McNeil points out that evidence is not just text but observation from investigations.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/KCXALqd4TP
bickd
May 12 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
this is great! Love that it includes evidence
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
So how is all this helping Ss build explanations?
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
#elngsschat
Ts having patience with the process will help students relax and be willing to put their ideas out there
bickd
May 12 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
#elngsschat
time is a challenge- the lesson often takes the entire period, then i have to rush to get CER in or wait
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Students' ideas, thinking and wonderings are important. Listen, leverage, and support them in the process of sense-making.
#elngsschat
kmgill135
May 12 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Challenge: Finding evidence in reading means finding certain text. In science it means really looking at investigation results.
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:52 PM EDT
When Ss collect their own evidence it helps for them to build conceptual understanding from experiences
#elngsschat
https://t.co/pNDbIhuALx
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
So how is all this helping Ss build explanations?
#elngsschat
bickd
May 12 @ 8:52 PM EDT
@KRScienceLady
#elngsschat
it could be 3-5 days before we are able to come back to it and it loses affect then
8TeachWriteArt8
May 12 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Lurking. I've decided
#CER
should be likeš©that need to be drilled into kids' heads.
#Frankenstein
#elngsschat
https://t.co/qJqf4D7yXP
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:53 PM EDT
.
@bickd
@KRScienceLady
Try thinking about lessons as spanning more than one day. The "science talk" requires time and talk.
#elngsschat
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
#elngsschat
Lingering questions or thoughts to share with Carla and Kimber
NGSS_tweeps
May 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
#elngsschat
Lingering questions or thoughts to share with Carla and Kimber
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
Students are learning to make sense of the evidence they collect and bridge together science phenomena
#elngsschat
https://t.co/pNDbIhcZTZ
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
So how is all this helping Ss build explanations?
#elngsschat
gaofei9
May 12 @ 8:55 PM EDT
#elngsschat
#gaed
do you use Twitter for
#profdev
? Take a survey for
@gaofei9
&
@Kent_Darr
& you could win $50!
https://t.co/jYcG3bKrUv
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:55 PM EDT
Carla, Kimber, and Kate have an awesome Facilitator guide to the book. I love, love, love
#elngsschat
https://t.co/88ZWVDJD3K
KRScienceLady
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
#elngsschat
Lingering questions or thoughts to share with Carla and Kimber
czem
- Moderator
May 12 @ 8:57 PM EDT
.
@LPugh3
Really looking to improve this. Would love to get your thoughts about what works and not.
#elngsschat
LPugh3
May 12 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@suzanlocke
I agree 100%! There has to be a shift in science instruction. trust student can do more.
#elngsschat
https://t.co/2CJlhobvpv
suzanlocke
May 12 @ 8:50 PM EDT
@bickd
@LPugh3
@KRScienceLady
Yes & Ts need to be retrained to be facilitators of student learning. Dev the culture.