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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:00 PM EST

#SwDMathChat welcome to the chat! Tonight is about college, math, and students with disabilities.

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:00 PM EST

#SwDMathChat ... yes... I'm a tad exhausted already... introduce yourselves :)

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:02 PM EST

Andrew, NYC, self-contained HS math teacher. #SwDMathChat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:03 PM EST

#SwDMathChat ... or, yourself :P

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:04 PM EST

#SwDMathChat so many chats, so little time!

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:04 PM EST

Maybe @MNmMath and @DDibley123 plan to double dip in #ElemMathChat and #SwDMathChat tonight?

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:05 PM EST

Robin NYC adj prof Precalc Math for Elem Ed work w wide variety of s's and t's Mom #swdmathchat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:05 PM EST

#SwDMathChat #ElemMathChat ... college, elementary... it is connected.

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:05 PM EST

Hi Robin! #SwDMathChat

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DDibley123 Dec 22 @ 9:05 PM EST

hmmm... I'll check it out #SwDMathChat #elemmathchat Tweetdeck here I come.

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:06 PM EST

esp: let me make this q1: #ElemMathChat #SwDMathChat do you need to know your "facts" -- or apply number sense another way?

carloliwitter Dec 22 @ 9:07 PM EST

Carl, NYC, high school math Hi everyone! #SwDmathchat

pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:08 PM EST

#SwDMathchat Hi! Margie from PA K-12 Math Coach Was director of math resource room at Cabrini & math tutor at Neumann. interested in topic

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:08 PM EST

@tperran @anyaostapczuk @mrshainesmath @Teach4SpclNeeds @anndurham13 @aboone_angie A late reminder for tonight’s #SwDMathChat

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DDibley123 Dec 22 @ 9:09 PM EST

A1: Apply number sense to help you "know" your facts. #SwDMathChat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:09 PM EST

#swdmathchat s's need facts for college placement exams that are often w/o calc like SAT section 3

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1: Number Sense helps fact retention, understanding, and application in novel problems. #SwDMathChat

carloliwitter Dec 22 @ 9:11 PM EST

Can you know "facts" without the number sense to explain/justify why they are indeed facts? #SwDmathchat

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:11 PM EST

do they need to know facts or apply them to solve problems? #SwDMathChat

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:11 PM EST

#swdmathchat love number sense too :) esp fractions/dec/%

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:11 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Q1

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:06 PM EST

esp: let me make this q1: #ElemMathChat #SwDMathChat do you need to know your "facts" -- or apply number sense another way?

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:12 PM EST

#SwDMathChat If you don't know them it is hard to apply!

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:12 PM EST

right but is just knowing them enough? #SwDMathChat

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:12 PM EST

see page 8 https://t.co/G5qnoxmeLp #swdmathchat

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:13 PM EST

both knowing and applying are super helpful skills for s's #swdmathchat

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DDibley123 Dec 22 @ 9:13 PM EST

But if you have number sense, you can figure them out #SwDMathChat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:14 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A1: Think Ss can be flexible when knowing benchmark facts & navigate the rest by using them - that's good number sense too

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:14 PM EST

#SwDMathChat perhaps not -- but not knowing them is a huge obstacle.

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:14 PM EST

yes depending on how much time and persistence you have #swdmathchat

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:14 PM EST

For SwD, developing compensatory strategies (which comes from number sense) is very important. #SwDMathChat

DDibley123 Dec 22 @ 9:13 PM EST

But if you have number sense, you can figure them out #SwDMathChat
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davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:15 PM EST

A1: I think number sense is really knowing a lot of different small things about numbers. #SwDmathchat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:15 PM EST

#SwDMathChat @bkdidact @mathconfidence I see SwD as often not being good rote memorizers so if htey know facts, they have the other "enough"

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davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:16 PM EST

A1: eg. That the numeral 3 corresponds to the size of a set of things with three elements (obviously not in this language). #SwDmathchat

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:17 PM EST

Sometimes SwD are great memorizers & find prob solving challenging. Sometimes vice versa. Every SwD has unique strengths/needs. #SwDMathChat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:15 PM EST

#SwDMathChat @bkdidact @mathconfidence I see SwD as often not being good rote memorizers so if htey know facts, they have the other "enough"
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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:17 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q2: how can we raise expectations for our students for learning math not just passing a test

davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:17 PM EST

A1: And that that set can be composed and decomposed into smaller subsets and is itself a subset of larger sets. #SwDmathchat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:18 PM EST

#swdmathchat yes and using tech can help too...many s's do not have facts mem b/c of calculator

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:19 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A1: Had many Ss in math resource room who knew doubles facts & used them to get other facts (7 x 6 = 6 x 6 or 36 + another 6)

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:19 PM EST

Families of SwD are often surprised at how many discrete skills there are before “Addition” which is thought to be "the basics" #SwDMathChat

davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:16 PM EST

A1: eg. That the numeral 3 corresponds to the size of a set of things with three elements (obviously not in this language). #SwDmathchat

davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:20 PM EST

A1: Numbers have four common representations as well: numerals, written words, sounds, and the actual quantities. (1/2) #swdmathchat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:20 PM EST

varying instructional delivery within a class session and from class session to class session #swdmathchat

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davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:21 PM EST

A1: Unfortunately we often emphasize the first three representations over the fourth, most critical, understanding of number. #SwDmathchat

DDibley123 Dec 22 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2: Give Ss opportunities to be problem solvers. Let them think, not just memorized facts and procedures. #SwDmathchat

pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:24 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A1 In my full inclusion class, giving lots of time for S - to - S discourse created a good space for sharing & risking

kangoff Dec 22 @ 9:24 PM EST

Kate, HS Math T at @HMS1869 dropping in for a moment on the last leg of our holiday drive. Looking forward to catching up tmw #SwDMathChat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:24 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q3: college and math: how can we raise student adn teacher expectations for learning?

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:25 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q3 get past "I can't do that major it requires math"

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:25 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Q2

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:17 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q2: how can we raise expectations for our students for learning math not just passing a test

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:25 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Q3

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:24 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q3: college and math: how can we raise student adn teacher expectations for learning?

davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:26 PM EST

A2: Start by moving away from deficit language to language that focus on strengths and what children know, not their gaps. #swdmathchat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:27 PM EST

#SwDMathChat ... and adults too

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:27 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A2: Snagging the kids right from the start with something novel, engaging, & accessible

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:27 PM EST

A2: Depends on how tests are utilized. As the goal then nothing. As an assessment of learning then by emphasizing this to Ss. #SwDMathChat

davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:28 PM EST

A2: Too many #SwD spend every single math class being reminded of their weaknesses and never building on their strengths. #SWDmathchat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:28 PM EST

#swdmathchat trying to think of another phrase f4 productive struggle productive = fine struggle=?

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:28 PM EST

#SwDMathChat except that the Test (assessment etc) is the door to the CNA license...

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:28 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A2: Providing the time for Ss share background knowledge so all Ss can access learning It's okay to borrow background knowledge

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:28 PM EST

A3: By being clear about those are the goals and not simply grades and point averages. #SwDMathChat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:29 PM EST

many see the same material over&over...when many could access some grade level content #swdmathchat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:30 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A2: I'm seeing too many #SwD on computer programs that are supposed to be "meeting their individual needs" NO engagement

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:30 PM EST

Still up to teacher to set the tone for the class’ values. If test is the only thing that matters, then that’s the tone. #SwDMathChat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:30 PM EST

#SwDMathChat ...I suspect you are thinking of learners, not K-8

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davidwees Dec 22 @ 9:31 PM EST

Or miss current content to review older content they didn't learn yet. When will they learn the new stuff?? #swdmathchat

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:31 PM EST

sure great!! and even swd disability is a tough word to deal with #swdmathchat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:32 PM EST

#SwDMathChat at least at our college the nerd profs really do want for learning -- even at basic concepts :)

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watertankmath Dec 22 @ 9:33 PM EST

Doubling up with #elemmathchat & #swdmathchat tonight from KS! Watertank Math helping Ts & Ss teach and learn new visual way to add & sub!

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:34 PM EST

maybe #mathforalllearners ? #swdmathchat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:34 PM EST

#SwDMathChat okay, concrete stuff: Q4: Disabilities and accommodations. How to encourage advocacy?

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:35 PM EST

#swdmathchat Khan A or ixl? mathxl?

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:36 PM EST

#swdmathchat not sure at college level but K12 parent and student engagement w @PupilPath @ioeducation

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:36 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Q4

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:34 PM EST

#SwDMathChat okay, concrete stuff: Q4: Disabilities and accommodations. How to encourage advocacy?

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:36 PM EST

#swdmathchat help s's approach prof many non sped s's are hesitant to talk to teachers

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carloliwitter Dec 22 @ 9:36 PM EST

professional tests are hard to prep D's for when they are holding on to a bunch of facts they don't understand #SwDmathchat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:36 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A3: We would talk & model ways to self-advocate in college - how to create study sessions, plan for tutoring times, etc. Helped

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:37 PM EST

Q4: I strongly believe advocacy must be taught and supported not only encouraged. Self-advocacy important, yet over-looked. #SwDMathChat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:38 PM EST

#SwDMathChat a4: so many students think "I'm in college, I dont' have to be special any more!" ... and fail.

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:39 PM EST

#swdmathchat what age students?

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:39 PM EST

IMHO we should make everyone “special” and support self-advocacy from everyone. #SwDMathChat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:40 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A4: I found it very important for Ss to start the habit of self-advocating as first semester freshman - before struggling

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:40 PM EST

#SwDMathChat "it's like a coupon -- use it!"

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carloliwitter Dec 22 @ 9:41 PM EST

A4 I bet colleges for some kind of SWD tour. Show them the facilities, talk with students, and let kids know what's available #SwDmathchat

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:41 PM EST

how about oral exams vs written? have you heard of this for freshman college Math? #swdmathchat

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:41 PM EST

A4: Self-advocacy is a life skill many “typically developing” people have yet to master. Should be taught to everyone. #SwDMathChat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:42 PM EST

#SwDMathChat yes this starts in k-12: "I can learn and do well if ..."

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:42 PM EST

yes and many s's are not willing to tell profs they need help/accommodations #SwDMathChat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:43 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A4: I held a 1-week summer pre-teaching math workshop. Fun to meet new students too. They came up to see me during semester

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:43 PM EST

Hi Carl any particular colleges in mind? #swdmathchat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:44 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q N + 1 ... how can students prepare for placement tests?

carloliwitter Dec 22 @ 9:44 PM EST

no, but I wonder if I asked my college office if that could be something they could set up #SwDMathChat

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pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:45 PM EST

#SwDmathchat A4: Our math tutors would hold study sessions, which ended up being fun and I brought food. Good for all of us

bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:45 PM EST

This is why self-advocacy is so important. One shouldn't need to inquire about a disability, should come from voice of PwD. #SwDMathChat

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:35 PM EST

q4 as in K-12 it's their job to help you; post-secondary, I can't even ask if you have a disabiltye

mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:45 PM EST

#swdmathchat how do we transfer 2 workplace post college or for those s's not college bound

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:46 PM EST

#swdmathchat #SWDmathchat imp for s's gain Math skills for accuplacer so they have choices

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:46 PM EST

explicit instruction & support K-12 would help. Also job coaching for SwD is vital in this transition. #SwDMathChat

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:47 PM EST

#swdmathchat same skills as ASVAB for military

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:47 PM EST

q5 #SwDMathChat Placement tests are a reality... how to prepare?

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:47 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Qn+1

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:44 PM EST

#SwDMathChat q N + 1 ... how can students prepare for placement tests?

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:48 PM EST

#SwDMathChat the math of tests is so differnet from the math of jobs! We need to address.

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:49 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Q5

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:47 PM EST

q5 #SwDMathChat Placement tests are a reality... how to prepare?
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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:50 PM EST

#SwDMathChat So many basic math resources are cute and childish or the likes of Khan Academy ( procedure... procedure...)

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:51 PM EST

yes and so important for all community college ss #SwDMathChat

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geonz Dec 22 @ 9:52 PM EST

https://t.co/ObLcKHmDIs #SwDMathChat https://t.co/AG0iUeRn0I https://t.co/9pzY0N5cPO

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:53 PM EST

think also about licensing exams. Qualifying exams. #SwDMathChat

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watertankmath Dec 22 @ 9:53 PM EST

Thanks everyone on #elemmathchat & #SwDMathChat for great tweets! Enjoyed following the discussion! https://t.co/zb73NilyEy

geonz Dec 22 @ 9:54 PM EST

#SwDMathChat That comes up often in tutoring lab which is not part of "disabilities" resources.

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mathconfidence Dec 22 @ 9:54 PM EST

#SwDMathChat. Math is also helpful as a parent skill or aunt/uncle

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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:56 PM EST

#SwDMathChat

pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:52 PM EST

Agree! Found pre-teaching to be very helpful. Many colleges offer summer prep workshops for free
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bkdidact - Moderator Dec 22 @ 9:56 PM EST

#SwDMathChat Sorting tweet

pearse_margie Dec 22 @ 9:56 PM EST

We posted flyers with free workshops - very helpful - great for building agency too
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