#2ndaryELA Archive

#2ndaryELA is a group of middle and high school English Language Arts teachers looking to share ideas and best practices. We chat every Tuesday night at 8 pm EST using #2ndaryELA. We'd love for you to join us!

Tuesday January 22, 2019
8:00 PM EST

  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Welcome! What and where do you teach? Include a link to your blog if you have one. #2ndaryELA
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Hi everyone. I'm Christina, The Daring English Teacher. I write a blog of the same name. I'm joining via scheduler, but will be back later to chat! https://t.co/T8wKOWC9Jh #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hi! I'm Lisa and I'm your #2ndaryELA chat co-host along with @literarymaven . I'm in my 24th year of teaching Middle School in FL and blog here: https://t.co/2JZ9rB6U11
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hi everyone! I teach 8th grade ELA in NYC. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Pretty much all the 9/10 at our school in Alabama. I used to blog. I stopped when I went back to work #2ndaryela
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi. I'm Heather, 6th/7th ELA teacher #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi Michelle and Learn After Reading! #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Welcome Heather! #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi Kelli! Be sure to use #2ndaryELA :)
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Lauralee, Central Illinois at a fabulous high school. I have freshmen and seniors this year. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi Lauralee! #2ndaryELA
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:04 PM EST
    How are you, Lisa?? 🤓 #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Q1: What is your biggest struggle with teaching essay writing? #2ndaryELA
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1: The biggest struggle in teaching writing is teaching them how to properly embed quotes and provide adequate commentary. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:05 PM EST
    How is that? Our 11/12 teacher is retiring but I don’t want to give up my freshman #2ndaryela
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1: I feel like this differs every year. This year, organization. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:06 PM EST
    A1: My biggest challenge has been working with students who struggle to understand/memorize the process/structure. These are mainly student with limited English and/or special needs. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Convincing students that one draft isn’t enough. I now include a section in the rubric for meangful changes but they still don’t #2ndaryela
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:06 PM EST
    A1: Time is my greatest struggle. It's hard to give students adequate "think" time with 44-minute classes! #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:06 PM EST
    My biggest struggle with teaching essay writing is definitely helping students get to the point where they self-edit. So many of them just want to be DONE after handing in their essays! #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:07 PM EST
    That's all the time I have too - I try to do one article at a time. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MsBush20
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Same here! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @ADDEnglishTeach, @SpanglerMiddle
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Yes! They want it to be "one and done"! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @LearnAfterRead
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Wow! 44 minutes is so short! I can’t imagine. We have 60 min and it’s still not enough #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MsBush20
  • Magnificent_mdl Jan 22 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1: Having them not use "I" all the time - i.e. I am going to tell you about... #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:08 PM EST
    No. I’d have all the 12s and 2/3 of the 9s. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:08 PM EST
    ARGH! Our state just flat out won't allow anything but objective tone. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @Magnificent_mdl
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Yes! It’s a process. They aren’t invested in improving. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @LearnAfterRead
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Q2: How do you teach students to plan and organize essays? #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A2: Multiple types of graphic organizers, outlines, sentence starters, whatever works (and it's always changing)! #2ndaryELA
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A2: I help students plan their essays by spending time on the essay outline. I have them outline the topic sentences, quotes, and thesis statement. https://t.co/2jlk2tUKeq #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:10 PM EST
    I taught 7,8,9 and 9/10. :/ I’d like consistency (and to stay out of middle school) #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2: I use a mneomic system that I created myself to help students remember the structure. I even made the lessons into secret agent videos! :) #2ndaryELA
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2:outlines or graphic organizers. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2: depends on the type. Narratives: guided questions. Everything else: work from the inside out. Intro and conclusion are LAST. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • LitwithLyns Jan 22 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Hi everyone! I’m Lyndsey and I teach 6th grade ELA in GA. I also have a blog for secondary ELA- https://t.co/fYElTmVd6C #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2: I've used the outlines created by @DaringEnglish for the past two years. She organized/ explained each sub-part so perfectly! #2ndaryela
  • Magnificent_mdl Jan 22 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A2: I use TAG & ACE to help them format it correctly. Also, sentence starters, graphic organizers, and etc. #2ndaryELA
  • LitwithLyns Jan 22 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Q2- I break it down with one paragraph at a time. I create interactive resources for each paragraph to assist with this. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Im also trying the @TheCrashCourse strategy of brain dump 1st, then begin the outline. It’s a bit unorthodox for us structure people but the kids need to figure out what they know #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Q3: What types of readings do you use as a basis for text-based essays? #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A3: Short stories and whole-class novels for literary analysis, compare/contrast, etc. Various articles and sources for argumentative and informational writing. #2ndaryELA
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A3: For text-base essays, I make sure to use a variety of readings to help students broaden their scope of writing: short stories, novels, poetry, nonfiction, etc. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Graphic organizers stress me out. They overwhelm me. I need to see an essay as moving parts #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Here's an example of my mnemonics for an introduction in middle school. #2ndaryELA
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A3: short stories and novels, but lots of nonfiction too. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A3: We use non-fiction articles from @Newsela #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Great point - when their brains work differently than ours (I'm all about structure!) we have to encourage them to use the strategies that work best for them. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @ADDEnglishTeach, @TheCrashCourse
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Whatever the kids are interested in. I once had mine write a persuasive paragraph on whether the dress was white/gold vs black/blue #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:17 PM EST
    SO simple and such a great way to help students remember the process! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • Magnificent_mdl Jan 22 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A3: articles, speeches, novels (whole-class), poems #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A3: I use 4 main novels throughout the year, and supplement using short stories, poems, nonfiction texts ... #2ndaryela
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:19 PM EST
    @Newsela is AWESOME - love how teachers can adjust reading level too!#2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle, @Newsela, @Newsela
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Q4: How do you give meaningful feedback to students on these longer pieces of writing? #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:20 PM EST
    How do you have time? I pick 4 anchor texts but don’t do whole class novels because of time. #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @LearnAfterRead
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A4: I give feedback by using a rubric and writing comments at the end of each essay. I point out what the student did well, and give them an actionable step to improve writing. I also encourage full-credit revisions after the final. https://t.co/0Js5RxfcSI #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A4: I try to give feedback as the essay is being written if at all possible. OR - I grade just one section at a time so I can give quality feedback on a section at a time. #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A4: I require essay to be typed in Google Docs so I can easily read them. I look for specific items to grade and include the rubric up front, so student know what is most important for the particular type of writing. #2ndaryELA
  • elaclassroom Jan 22 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A4: Sit down and do it... I try to grade five per day. #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I don’t have many students, so I do 1:1 conferences on their almost final drafts. I show them their potential grade if it’s left as is. I also encourage 2-3 areas of meaningful revisions #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I use goobric to have students complete a self assessment, too. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I've been known to use checklists and grade at specific stopping points with the option of revising of course. :) #2ndaryELA
    • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:21 PM EST
      I don’t have many students, so I do 1:1 conferences on their almost final drafts. I show them their potential grade if it’s left as is. I also encourage 2-3 areas of meaningful revisions #2ndaryELA
      In reply to @SpanglerMiddle
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I see each class for 5 hour long periods each week. We focus on one novel per quarter - and I incorporated standards based learning with each novel! It is a bit of a time juggle - but I map each year (at a glance) in the summertime! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @ADDEnglishTeach
  • Magnificent_mdl Jan 22 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A4: I have a rubric I made up for each type of essay and I add comments. They can make revisions for more points. At the beginning I usually focus on 1 or 2 concepts then move up, until I can check a whole essay for all concepts. #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Q5: Share your best essay teaching tips and tricks. #2ndaryELA
  • DaringEnglish Jan 22 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A5: Do collaborative brainstorming with your class before outlining the essay. This makes sure all Ss have content to write about, which is important for EL Ss and Ss with IEPs. It makes the essay writing process less daunting for them. https://t.co/XIz1IsSUi0 #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I do too but I can’t get mine to read outside of class. Without that, we get excerpts and novellas #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @LearnAfterRead
  • ELAWithMissP Jan 22 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I’m starting my student teaching in a 7th/8th grade and we have short classes as well! I’m struggling with finding “think” time as well. I feel like sometimes I have to rush their process. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @MsBush20
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A4: I use rubrics/ conference with each student when handing back the graded essay. I give a graphic organizer to complete: areas where they were successful and where they need improvement for next time... that way they keep it for the next round! #2ndaryela
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:27 PM EST
    We discuss at the very beginning what grade X writing looks like for each standard. Also a variety of methods to get to the end result #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Always tricky to get them excited about reading outside the classroom - I try to bring an independent reading book to class each week (from the library) and encourage (sometimes beg) a student to check it out... usually one or two come back raving! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @ADDEnglishTeach
  • Magnificent_mdl Jan 22 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A5: Modeling - revisions (1 or 2 concepts at a time) - mnemonic devices seem to help a great deal! #2ndaryELA
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Writing is not one size fits all. It’s ok if what I’m teaching doesn’t work for you. I ask kids what works and what doesn’t. #2ndaryELA
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A5: Peer editing with specific task cards is my favorite tool. I give students who have difficulty with thesis statements the task of locating the thesis in other papers. It works well! #2ndaryELA
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Q5: I've learned that it is super important to let your students TAKE THEIR TIME! A rushed essay is rarely a polished essay - and some students will need some extra time to really nail it. #2ndaryela
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Thanks for chatting with us tonight! Here's a sneak peek of next week's chat! #2ndaryELA
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:31 PM EST
    And remember we keep the #2ndaryELA conversation going all week long at our FB page: https://t.co/JGbfk4VpYG Join us!
  • ADDEnglishTeach Jan 22 @ 8:31 PM EST
    We are taking 4 WEEKS on research papers. It’s like a risotto— you can’t rush it. And if you take too long their brains turn to mush #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @LearnAfterRead
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:31 PM EST
    I love this idea!! #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MsBush20
  • SpanglerMiddle Jan 22 @ 8:32 PM EST
    You can read about the Build An Essay here: https://t.co/v74e9zwvsP #2ndaryELA (Worked really well for my ELL Ss!)
  • LearnAfterRead Jan 22 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Love the risotto analogy!! Great point :) #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @ADDEnglishTeach
  • MsBush20 Jan 22 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A5: I use Alice Keeler's "pull the paragraph" and Doctopus/Goobric combo for grading essays on Google Classroom. I love the speech to text feature. You can also leave students a voice recording, which is faster for me! #2ndaryELA
  • literarymaven - Moderator Jan 22 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Meet me on Twitter tonight at 8 pm EST. That's just a few minutes from now! ‍ New to Twitter chats? Search #2ndaryELA to see the live feed. Look for the questions posted every 5 minutes. Add #2ndaryELA to the end of your responses so they show up in the … https://t.co/e05gMZjnBE