#suptchat Archive
Twitter chat for superintendents that takes place the first Wednesday of every month.
Wednesday June 7, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Good evening from 36000 feet on my way from CA back to Austin for
#iplza17
- Jay - Supt in NJ (back in NJstarting July 1, 2017!)
#suptchat
paddlingsupt
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Chris, supt from MO. Scout camp starts Thurs = spotty answers 2nite.
@AASAHQ
Adv Conf. Staffing BSA Nat Jambo
@BechtelSummit
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
This
#SuptChat
will focus on how we partner with school attorneys to navigate our complex work. Let’s get started!
@npolyak
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
#suptchat
: Please tell us your name, job title, location and something about your summer plans.
PerspectivesNEd
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
@mikelubelfeld
&
@npolyak
joined us to talk about
@unlearningleader
!! Stay tuned for a release this month!!
#suptchat
#epic
#theyrock
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
How cool is that!? Congrats
@suptgilmore
#suptchat
In reply to @suptgilmore, @suptgilmore
MCUSDSupe
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Excited for
#suptchat
tonight after just finishing one of my best conference experiences in years. Kudos to
@HUMANeX
#Hvxsummit
participatechat
Jun 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Participate in the upcoming
#suptchat
by sharing resources and collaborating at
https://t.co/f0zju54zNV
nhenkle
Jun 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Nick Henkle, Supt in Channahon, IL. Summer = time w family, my girls' softball games, travel, Cubs & planning a great FY18 in D17!
#suptchat
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Tanya Vest, retired supt. living at Table Rock Lake in MO this summer work a little & enjoy time with family & friends
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
#suptchat
Mike Lubelfeld, Superintendent of Schools
@DPS109
family time, teaching, reading, learning, recharging, working
#engage109
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Hey
@npolyak
#SuptChat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Special guest attorneys Laura Knittle and Darcy Kriha are ready for the discussion tonight
#suptchat
🙂
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 7:21 PM EDT
#suptchat
starts in 41 minutes! Relationship between SUPT & attorneys for Board of Ed--all are welcome -special co hosts
@FranczekRadelet
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A1) I contact the BOE attorney in matters that are clearly legal ones. When in doubt, just call. You’ll be glad you did.
#Suptchat
paddlingsupt
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A1: Personnel, real estate, special ed, ballot language, discipline, contracts. Call assoc attorneys first to keep bills down.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Q1: What issues/topics usually have you contact your school attorney?
#SuptChat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
#suptchat
I am at the 8th grade graduation tonight
@109Shepard
so I won't be as "live" as usual but you have
@npolyak
& our guest lawyers!
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Good evening,
#SuptChat
Colleagues. Dan Frazier
@DanielLFrazier
supt in Litchfield, MN. 10,000 lakes in MN, all beautiful
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Brian, Supt Pontiac 429. Lake house in 7 days
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Nancy Wagner
#suptchat
Currently Beach Park Superintendent, moving to River Trails, Illinois and doing transition this summer
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Just remember, the BOE Attorney is exactly that, THE BOE ATTORNEY, NOT YOURS! You either have association rep or your own.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A1
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labor issues, contract review, policy challenges, criminal "stuff", training, governance, financial/tax related issues
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A1 Personnel issues, legal contracts, interpretation of policy, and those issues when you "think" you should call an attorney
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nhenkle
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A1: Risk management. A quality school attorney should be Ss centered, while helping districts reduce risk.
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Good luck with your transition
@wagnernancy
- great to see you tonight!
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Nancy Wagner
#suptchat
Currently Beach Park Superintendent, moving to River Trails, Illinois and doing transition this summer
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Thomas Van Soelen leadership consultant, tonight in Denton, TX
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
At graduation
#suptchat
https://t.co/J8lCiwAbxe
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A1. There are a lot of people who want to solve problems with lawsuits rather than common courtesy. Need to have a good attorney.
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
A1: We generally contact our attorneys on difficult personnel or student issues, property tax issues, collective bargaining...
#suptchat
cybraryman1
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Please see: My School Law links on My Administrators page (right column down)
https://t.co/IEbsoxxyX4
#suptchat
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
A1-Personnel or contract clarification
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Thanks
@cybraryman1
!!
#suptchat
cybraryman1
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Please see: My School Law links on My Administrators page (right column down)
https://t.co/IEbsoxxyX4
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
A1
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Personnel issues mostly
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@npolyak
@FranczekRadelet
will host live. I'm via modern technology and I'll study archive!
#suptchat
#busytimeofyear
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:03 PM EDT
At graduation
#suptchat
https://t.co/J8lCiwAbxe
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Attorneys Laura Knittle and Darcy Kriha are ready for
#suptchat
tonight
MCUSDSupe
Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
A1: I agree w/ what people are saying, but I also use my attorneys to find resources and to ensure I am not reinventing the wheel
#suptchat
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@mikelubelfeld
how you doing tonight?
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Thanks Laura and Darcy!! We appreciate your expertise and collaboration!!
@FranczekRadelet
#suptchat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Attorneys Laura Knittle and Darcy Kriha are ready for
#suptchat
tonight
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:06 PM EDT
A1.2 Special ed can be complicated and require a school attorney at times. Need a specialist.
#SuptChat
MissKaylaYoung
Jun 7 @ 8:06 PM EDT
My name is Kayla. I am currently a teacher in AZ & preparing a move to TN and a new career in leadership. Hoping to learn tonight!
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Thanks for jumping in Kayla - best of luck on your move!!
#suptchat
MissKaylaYoung
Jun 7 @ 8:06 PM EDT
My name is Kayla. I am currently a teacher in AZ & preparing a move to TN and a new career in leadership. Hoping to learn tonight!
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Good evening, PJ.
#SuptChat
In reply to @MCUSDSupe
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Welcome to
#Suptchat
, Kayla.
In reply to @MissKaylaYoung
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A1: particularly buying property
#suptchat
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Jon Bartelt, Supt, Bloomingdale SD13, looking to learn with Darcy, Laura, and all of you tonight
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Q2: What role do your attorneys play in helping with Board Governance?
#SuptChat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
#suptchat
Hi Darcy - Always appreciate your help, you are amazing.
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
That's one of those very infrequent items - always good to seek help on those types of things!
#suptchat
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A1: particularly buying property
#suptchat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
First question for school superintendents - can attorneys use emojis on twitter? The answer is yes🙂
#suptchat
@FranczekRadelet
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A2
#suptchat
Interpreting policy, leading training, facilitating balance between staff work and board work, procedures, advising
cmoretti66
Jun 7 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Looking for summer reads, have a few standards but looking for that diamond in the rough
#edchat
#leadupchat
#principalsinaction
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A2. A school attorney who is good and experienced can be an asset and resource for a board chair. Maybe even offer training
#SuptChat
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1: I work with attorneys on negotiations, special ed, and other sticky issues - they are the experts so why not collaborate?
#suptchat
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2-Limited
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Q2
#suptchat
The board attorneys do great professional development that helps with governance both at a yearly conference and other options.
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2: We lean on our attorneys and our state school board association to help turn new legislation into Board policy.
#suptchat
MCUSDSupe
Jun 7 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A2: An important one - for me I remind myself all the time that they are the Board's attorney- not mine
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:12 PM EDT
I'm biased on the topic...but...
https://t.co/3i4rziwYxj
#suptchat
In reply to @cmoretti66
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A2.2 MN schools get excellent policy support from
@mnmsba
our school boards Assoc and their team attorneys
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2: We lean on our attorneys and our state school board association to help turn new legislation into Board policy.
#suptchat
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A2: in this case, an attorney can help keep a board compliant with public comment, rules for open and closed session, and more!
#suptchat
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A2: I'm curious how many districts have an attorney at their public board meetings.
#suptchat
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:14 PM EDT
@npolyak
Are you giving free copies for those joining
#suptchat
tonight? Take it out of
@mikelubelfeld
profit.
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:12 PM EDT
I'm biased on the topic...but...
https://t.co/3i4rziwYxj
#suptchat
In reply to @cmoretti66
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Glad you are claiming your bias....ha!
#suptchat
In reply to @npolyak, @cmoretti66
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
We do not.
#suptchat
(only when a situation calls for their presence)
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A2: I'm curious how many districts have an attorney at their public board meetings.
#suptchat
MissKaylaYoung
Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Do your attorneys ever do PD for teachers on policy? From the teacher view, I feel that may have been helpful.
#suptchat
In reply to @wagnernancy
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@jonbartelt
makes a great point -- it's always best when clients call preventatively instead of in crisis
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
He's usually the one pushing book sales, so I need to pick up the slack tonight!
#suptchat
In reply to @DukesBrian, @mikelubelfeld
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Q3: How do you utilize your school attorney when handling contract negotiations or interpretation?
#suptchat
tvansoelen
Jun 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
And look what's in my backpack to review for AASA School Administrator...
#suptchat
In reply to @npolyak, @cmoretti66
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3
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preparation, planning, keep up to date on new laws/policies, direct negotiation, consultation
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3) BOE Attorneys are masters of contract assistance and legal mumbo jumbo, like we are with edu-babble & administrivia.
#suptchat
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3 Use the attorney to interpret policies that ambiguous, we used them to review contracts to ensure the school was protected
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q3
#suptchat
We do contact negotiations on our own and check on specific issues as needed with our attorneys.
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3. Times and laws change and require contracts to be reinterpreted. Need a good school attorney as Go To resource.
#SuptChat
nhenkle
Jun 7 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A3: Our Board believes in identifying common interests (student-centered) & respecting others' POV. Attorneys offer legal advice.
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A3: Our attorney is at the table w/ us during collective bargaining. When they help bargain, they can also help interpret later.
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:19 PM EDT
#suptchat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:19 PM EDT
One of our favorite things to do is help school boards draft new legislation. The best laws result from real life situations, not mandates.
In reply to @npolyak
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A1) contracts, EEO questions and recommendations, legal interpretation of statute and policies
#suptchat
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A3: in my experience, attorneys have led the board at the table and have sat back for consultation during breaks.
#suptchat
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A2 mine has provided great PD for principals and team on child custody documents...what to look for, how to respond
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:22 PM EDT
1/3 of
#suptchat
is already over tonight!!
dpalzet
Jun 7 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Even during graduation
@mikelubelfeld
is doing his
#suptchat
duty.
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Q4: What do you do if you disagree with advice from your attorney?
#SuptChat
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A4) If I disagree with the BOE attorney, I call mine. Keep in mind that they represent your BOE, not you; poll your BOE as well.
#suptchat
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Oops, Dan, a Supt in Tennessee.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A4
#suptchat
honestly share disagreement and engage in discussion; speak with Board president, seek 2nd opinion
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
If you are worried about a legal bill you receive (too high, wrong entry, etc) just call your attorney -- don't hesitate --
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A4. He who strays from his attorney's advice does so at his own peril.
#SuptChat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A4.2. Why would you pay $500 an hour for advice and then not follow it?
#SuptChat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
Q4
#suptchat
I explain why and we determine law or a preference. I think we still need to make decisions that are best for kids and legal
nhenkle
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4: Trust your instincts...treat it like an automotive or medical diagnosis and get a second opinion.
#SuptChat
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4 It's perfectly acceptable to get a second opinion if you disagree with your attorney, that's just smart business
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4: If you disagree with an attorney, seek trusted superintendent colleagues for advice. They might have had similar experiences
#suptchat
massignmenthelp
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
10 Lifestyle Tips that can Help College Freshman Save a lot of Money
https://t.co/t4PuIYV8ld
#SchoolofCharacter
#suptchat
#SASDCHAT
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4 seek understanding. If it's a no brainer we both know answer. Gotta meld expertise of BOTH and acquire one view not tiebreaker
#suptchat
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A4: Get a second opinion from another attorney (one I trust and have worked with before) & let my board know that I'm doing that.
#suptchat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:26 PM EDT
And if you are worried about legal fees, say so. We get it and want clients to be comfortable having these discussions with us
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A4.3. Well, maybe. But don't count on me for insight.
#SuptChat
:-)
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4: If you disagree with an attorney, seek trusted superintendent colleagues for advice. They might have had similar experiences
#suptchat
MarciShepard
Jun 7 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3: Our attorney facilitates bargaining. Key is finding one who shares our values in the way we work with our union colleagues.
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:27 PM EDT
I agree - but sometimes a literal interpretation might miss the nuances of a situation...(he says at his own peril)
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A4.2. Why would you pay $500 an hour for advice and then not follow it?
#SuptChat
MelanyStowe
Jun 7 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A4: Initial disagreements can lead to meaningful convos and opportunities to understand decisions.
#SuptChat
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A4b both counsel and I have to be open and willing to seek wiser counsel...
#suptchat
LauraGilchrist4
Jun 7 @ 8:29 PM EDT
School Redesign & State Policy. They CAN & should go hand in hand.
@bo_nathaniel
+
@KsCommissioner
talk innovation WITHIN KS schls.
#suptchat
StartlandNews
Jun 7 @ 4:29 PM EDT
Wide Ruled: The future of Kansas schools with education commissioner Randy Watson
https://t.co/VV2GgBshAJ
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A5) My BOE attorney always gets a call on criminal matters, student welfare issues, and the “regular" lawsuit stuff.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
Q5: In what aspects of your job do you always call your school attorney?
#SuptChat
Artistwithwords
Jun 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
Temporary Price Reduction “Building Instructional Capacity, Kindle edition,
https://t.co/2Yi3T9Q2pA
#satchat
#suptchat
#edleadership
paddlingsupt
Jun 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A5: Terminations and big contracts. Begin with the end in mind and stick to law and policy.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A5
#suptchat
when threatened with lawsuit/litigation, with FOIA requests, contract review, criminal issues, Board gov special education
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A.5. ALWAYS contact attorney when Fed is investigating a complaint. Fed is not there to help the school. Looking to find fault!
#SuptChat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A5.2 I've cancelled meetings when another party unexpectedly brings an attorney. Reschedule and bring yours too.
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5: If there are attorneys involved on the other side of the issue, I ALWAYS call our attorney.
#suptchat
nhenkle
Jun 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5: If we are in doubt, call...specifically risk management including complex legal & policy matters as well as litigation.
#SuptChat
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5 Always call the lawyer when there is a violation of law and when safety of students and personnel have been compromised
#suptchat
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5 service of papers, call from other counsel referred to mine, EEO, OCR, criminal issue...
#suptchat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5.2. Rule of Thumb: if the other side has an attorney, get your too. Don't take a knife to a gun fight.
#SuptChat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A5
#suptchat
Always call when there is legal action
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Why did
@mikelubelfeld
include my picture in his tweet about lawsuits and litigation?
#suptchat
#Ithoughtwewerefriends
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A5
#suptchat
when threatened with lawsuit/litigation, with FOIA requests, contract review, criminal issues, Board gov special education
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Ask why -- law school taught us how to enjoy a good debate ... your lawyer needs to be able to explain WHY in plain English
#suptchat
In reply to @npolyak
JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:35 PM EDT
#suptchat
I call our attorney for labor issues our sped/504 issues.
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:35 PM EDT
We work to develop trusting relationships with clients so they feel comfortable questioning us. Just like you teach your students
#suptchat
In reply to @npolyak
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:35 PM EDT
Hey Jeff - good to see you tonight!
#suptchat
In reply to @JeffThake
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:36 PM EDT
#suptchat
Hey all, switching Twitter accounts, so please follow me back. Thanks
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A6) It depends on the issue at hand; sometimes, some attorneys specialize in an area at hand (i.e. special education)
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:37 PM EDT
Q6: Do you utilize different law firms for different aspects of school business? Why or why not?
#SuptChat
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A6.1 Some school attorneys specialize, e.g., special ed, buildings and bonding, ... but can maybe be in same firm.
#SuptChat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A6
#suptchat
yes, one for student services one for general counsel, one for bond counsel - different expertise, also local conflicts...
TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A6 Some lawyers are experts in specific areas it's smart 2 utilize the ones "who know their business" to better protect districts
#suptchat
Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
That being said, if your BOE hires a conflict attorney, it’s time 4 you to jump ship. Nothing good comes of it.
#suptchat
#LearnedTheHardWay
paddlingsupt
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A6: Many firms are large enough 2 cover many areas. Went to a construction attorney on some bad work. Made all the difference.
#suptchat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
Is there something that you'd like to tell us ???
#suptchat
🙂
In reply to @npolyak
MarciShepard
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A6: We use various law firms & specialized attorneys. We need the best people serving our students in EVERY role in the district.
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A6: I prefer to keep work with the same firm for consistency sake and internal communications for when issues overlap.
#suptchat
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A6 continued ... if local districts have same firm - good idea to have independent firm to avoid local conflicts
#suptchat
JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
#suptchat
A6: We use local council for labor issues. We use another firm for all other issues. Local patterns with labor happen.
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A6 one for general representation another for specialized expertise in federal issues
#suptchat
wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A6
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My new district uses two different law firms for different issues. I think it is fine, especially if you have an area expert.
DukesBrian
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A6-We are lucky to have a firm that offers multiple perspectives (ref/sped)
#suptchat
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A6.2 There are niche situations and unique specialties that call for using different law firms from time to time.
#suptchat
RossCoops31
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
5 Ways I Screwed up (and Fixed) Project Based Learning in My Classroom
#education
#ntchat
#suptchat
https://t.co/zubYkWcuhX
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
We want you to be in good hands -- not uncommon for us to refer out matters when a colleague has more expertise
#suptchat
In reply to @mikelubelfeld
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A6.2. Some of the best attorneys I have worked with have been in small firms where I had to go to another firm for bonding.
#SuptChat
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Illinois is fortunate to have so many amazing school board attorneys to choose from -- it's a great group of people
#suptchat
In reply to @mikelubelfeld
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Only 15 minutes left tonight in
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- Let's finish strong!
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A6b recently worked on a retirement plan issue. My attorney recommended a specialists... Trust is important.
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DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:43 PM EDT
Small but good group together tonight on
#SuptChat
.
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q7: How would you handle a conflict with you and your board? Remember the school attorney represents the Board.
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JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
I agree!
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In reply to @npolyak
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A7
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hire / retain private counsel, seek counsel from professional association, contact mediator, work with president or vp of board
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A6.3. We have not emphasized that enough tonight. We need a trusting relationship with our attorneys.
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1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A6b recently worked on a retirement plan issue. My attorney recommended a specialists... Trust is important.
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DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
Todd Koehl coming in off the bench to help us finish strong, coach!
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In reply to @npolyak
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A7: When it comes to my personal relationship w/ the Board, the district attorney represents them; I seek counsel w/ IASA or AASA.
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npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Haha - Charley Hustle in the house. Thanks Todd!
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DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
Todd Koehl coming in off the bench to help us finish strong, coach!
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In reply to @npolyak
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Are you a supt who likes to read the law? The IL School Code index is not helpful -- a quick call to your attn. will save time
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DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:47 PM EDT
I agree that we need close trust with our attorneys and differing ones as per their expertise.
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FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:48 PM EDT
excellent point
@npolyak
- we represent the board - always the board. when you need your own counsel, we'll let you know
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In reply to @npolyak, @npolyak
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:49 PM EDT
I know it's true - it just feels weird because of how closely supts and attorneys work together 99% of the time.
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FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:48 PM EDT
excellent point
@npolyak
- we represent the board - always the board. when you need your own counsel, we'll let you know
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In reply to @npolyak, @npolyak
DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:50 PM EDT
Agree with this. Not only the law but local and regional precedent. Practicality, patience, and purpose in decisions.
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In reply to @FranczekRadelet
JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:50 PM EDT
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Q7: I think Egon from Ghostbusters said it best: "Never cross the streams!"
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:50 PM EDT
A7: Ditto to
@npolyak
response
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Jay_Eitner
Jun 7 @ 8:51 PM EDT
a8) Work with your BOE attorney, BUT, (3rd time tonight) remember that the BOE attorney is THEIR attorney, not yours.
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npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Q8: What advice would you give to newer superintendents when it comes to collaborating with your school attorney?
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aswickhe
Jun 7 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Hey
#suptchat
keep the convo going. Join us for
#GoOpen
at 9:00 est.
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:51 PM EDT
https://t.co/Z7ZKrHEjQX
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JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:50 PM EDT
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Q7: I think Egon from Ghostbusters said it best: "Never cross the streams!"
paddlingsupt
Jun 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A8: As supt you have the primary relationship with your attorney, but they are employed by the Board. Never forget that.
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mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A8 HONESTY only and always, ask questions, CALL the lawyer don't go rogue or cowboy -be candid and talk through anything necessary
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TanyaVest
Jun 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A8 collaborating with the lawyer is good advice, but also visit with mentor supts, they give good advice as well
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JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
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YES!!!
In reply to @npolyak
MarciShepard
Jun 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A8: 3 words: Values, values, values. Make sure it's a match!
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npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A8: Just like any other collaboration - you need to start with relationship building so you can work together effectively.
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wagnernancy
Jun 7 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A8
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Get to know your attorney and your share your thoughts until you are comfortable with the answers you get. Also take notes!
FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Weird for us, too. We keep open lines of communication with the Board and Supts both to help ward off issues best we can
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In reply to @npolyak
DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:53 PM EDT
For new Supt--understand that we need to call our attorney sometimes. Be honest, have facts, know your policies, listen, engage.
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JeffThake
Jun 7 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A8:
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Your board should expect you to seek assistance from legal council if you're a new supt. Better safe than sorry!
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A8: Building a positive relationship with your attorney is a key for any Supt - new or old (I am the latter)
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npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:55 PM EDT
Please join me in thanking
@FranczekRadelet
for joining us tonight and lending their input and expertise!
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(Thanks Darcy and Laura)
npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
We look forward to seeing you on July 5, 2017 - at 7:00 pm CT for the next
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FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Thanks for having us
#suptchat
, it was a pleasure! Let's do it again soon ---
@FranczekRadelet
In reply to @npolyak, @FranczekRadelet
DrToddJKoehl
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Thank you to FR. Great team!
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DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Hey,
#SuptChat
Colleagues, thanks for a good conversation tonight. And thank you, as always to
@npolyak
and
@mikelubelfeld
for hosting.
jonbartelt
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Darcy & Laura, this is for you.
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npolyak
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Careful what you wish for! ;-)
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In reply to @FranczekRadelet
1DanLawson
Jun 7 @ 8:58 PM EDT
A8 be open, explicit and absolutely honest as to intent and desired outcome. Better Supt communication= better equipped attorney
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mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:58 PM EDT
Thank you Dan! I'm eager to review the transcripts I thank you all for what looks like powerful chat
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See you live in July!
DanielLFrazier
Jun 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Hey,
#SuptChat
Colleagues, thanks for a good conversation tonight. And thank you, as always to
@npolyak
and
@mikelubelfeld
for hosting.
mikelubelfeld
- Moderator
Jun 7 @ 8:59 PM EDT
In
@DPS109
we're are lucky to work with
@FranczekRadelet
and
@HodgesLoizzi
among other 1st class law firms and counselors
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FranczekRadelet
Jun 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
Illinois is fortunate to have so many amazing school board attorneys to choose from -- it's a great group of people
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In reply to @mikelubelfeld