#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday October 16, 2018
8:30 PM EDT

  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Good evening #RuralEdChat! I'm Matt, your moderator du jour. How is everyone doing tonight?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Hello, #RuralEdChat I'm Tammy from rural north Florida. My area was spared from Hurricane Michael but many of our friends in the Panhandle are still without power or running water.
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Just returned from the NSTA Science Conference, #ruraledchat peoples! #ScienceRules ! & then came home to power outages. Felt a little ironic. ;-)
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Nate from SW Ohio. After #RuralEdForum last week, even more passionate about all things rural - because #RuralMatters #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    At least you are home. Glad to see you tonight. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    How was the conference? It sounds awesome! Maybe all the energy for it was just borrowed from your house #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    So glad you are back. Can't wait to hear all about it. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    I think I know at least 4-6 people who went to #RuralEdForum, which is cool. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Hi from Wisconsin, #RuralEdChat :)
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Hey Robin :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    It definitely left me pumped about #RuralEd #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat I know some of you are willing to help the #FLedChat family.
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Hey, Matt & Robin! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @robinhosemann
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Tonight's chat is all about hoops we face, the dysfunction they can lead to, and how we can reduce or avoid them. We'll be looking for both venting and solutions :) #RuralEdChat
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Barry Lambson from Northern Arizona where the most weather we've gotten is a few cold sprinkles! #ruraledchat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Hey Tammy! Glad to hear the worst of Michael missed you. Somehow, I haven't ever put it together, but I have a brother probably somewhere near-ish you, around Tallahassee. He lost power but is also back up and running again. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil, @robinhosemann
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Jeff checking in from central PA #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Tallahassee is a little over an hour west of me. Glad to hear he's back up and running. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @robinhosemann
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Most of it was EXCELLENT with a few notable exceptions. I was really excited & thoroughly enjoying the camaraderie & collaboration among fellow Science teachers. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Welcome to #RuralEdChat Jeff.
    In reply to @j2k_EDU
  • mrterborg Oct 16 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    The first day of the MA Social Studies conference last year featured a power outage. All presentations were done in the dark. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Tonight's chat was driven by a report I read about an investigation into teacher certification, specifically for Computer Science- "The research has uncovered an unbelievable level of disfunction", a feeling I immediately identified with #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Hey, Barry! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @blambson
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Hi Jeff! Welcome! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j2k_EDU
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Howdy! #ruraledchat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Questions will follow the format of leading with Q1, Q2, etc. Be sure to tag your responses with #RuralEdChat so we can share in your insights!
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Ha! Man, it's going around. Way for teachers to be resilient and flexible and go to plan B. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    Q1: What are some school or institutional processes you deal with every week? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A1: Attendance, grades, lesson planning just to name three. #RuralEdChat
  • mrterborg Oct 16 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    It's not just rural teachers who feel isolated. It can affect urban educators too. :) (yep, I know we're focusing on #ruraledchat but still ....
    In reply to @LeaderUtn, @edutopia
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A2: as an ES principal in a small, rural school, might be faster to list the the ones I’m not involved in. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A1: Grades is the big one - as much as I try to move away from defining success as a letter grade, at the end of the day, I still have to submit a percentage which translates into one. #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A1: Like attendance? That's a big one. $$ We talk about it all the time. We're in the midst of a county-wide attendance contest. Big focus on AR (85%+) too. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A1: weekly reports, approval of time, backups, updates, communication with staff and teachers. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A1: Within a small school, the many hats one has to wear - roles one has to take on - can make days seem to never end. #RuralEdChat
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A1b. Transportation, fed programs, building maintenance, data collection, state testing, discipline, supervision... #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A1b: Then there are those other procedures like Morning/Lunch Duty, cleaning our desks, keeping things organized. #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Amen, brother. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Yes! For me, along with this is planned student absences - the forms to sign, the make up work to plan, the gradebook schedules to adjust... #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    And in a technology age, grade update requests 24/7 #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    YES!!! It is a constant request. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan, @try_rebooting
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Ugh! Independent studies for planned student absences. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Q2: starting positive - how do these processes benefit your students? #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    OMG! The dreaded morning/yard/lunch duty. THE WORST! Teachers need breaks too...& not just to squeeze in (or out) a pee! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A2: Some of them keep the $$ rolling into the schools so they can stay open. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A2: With the many hats and many roles, able to build relationships on multiple fronts - bring together multiple resources. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A2b: Some are designed just so teachers can get paid. (We don't do this just for the fun of it.) #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    So important, especially when you're collecting data to qualify for grants #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I actually shouldn't complain. Because I've had melanoma a couple of times & we have intense sun w/ no shade, the rest of the staff pick-up my outdoor duty & I do other things to help out. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Of course that means the kiddos have no shade too. It's an issue. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A2: I hope it means that the education process goes smoothly for them, it's the man behind the curtain kinda stuff. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Q3: Which of these processes just feel like hoops? How do they hinder student learning (or staff sanity)? #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    A2: Ensuring attendance, & therefore consistency of education, is critical to student success. Plus, they like being honored for high-attendance achievement. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    You've got to have some pretty hot summers around your way, right? That's gotta be rough early/late in the year #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67, @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    A3: There are some procedures that make no sense anymore. We are asked to print out the attendance record from the computer, sign it, and turn it in. Until this year, I still had to turn in paper lesson plans at the end of the year. #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Where did this take place? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    A2 tough question. These are the hoops we are taking about. Good set up! They positively are the things that keep our doors open. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Oh my goodness. #thingsIdontmiss #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    A3: Meetings, meetings, meetings. Did I mention meetings? In reality there are some that could be consolidated or eliminated. With a small team it's hard to take up time sitting around and talking. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • mrterborg Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    It was in Fairfax, VA. Just outside of Washington D.C. Definitely not Rural. :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Yes & yes. Contributes to all those bloomin' fires too. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @TG_Neil
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    A3 the thing that I struggle with is that no matter the size of the school federal and state regs are the same. A lot more falls on fewer desks. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    A3: In Ohio, the process to become a teacher hinders districts from getting quality teachers - especially in rural districts. Student learning/growth hindered. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:01 PM EDT
      Q3: Which of these processes just feel like hoops? How do they hinder student learning (or staff sanity)? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Are there particular elements of the process that make it so difficult? Or just the certification/education process overall? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Here's my question to you all. How many people you know (educators, parents, tax payers, et al) really, truly understand how their schools are funded? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    Great question! I think many of us THINK we know but there are so many different facets, I'm not sure how many have a real handle on the full picture. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    OMG. We do a weekly print & sign. School secretary says it's a matter of compliance for auditors. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • nrea1 Oct 16 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Major challenge to address rural teacher shortage should be to streamline licensure/endorsement process. Also, make endorsements cross over state lines! #ruraledchat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    Paper lesson plans at the end of the year?! Oy vey. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    My guess? Not many. It's complex. Which is bad on so many levels. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    I think auditors get blamed for a lot of things. I've never seen one. (Doesn't mean they don't exist. I still believe in Santa Clause, too. ) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    . . . Which, if they do not “pass” after three attempts, will not receive a teaching license. Overall, a good concept but poorly instituted. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Hi friends. In 2018, teachers are still being asked to take attendance on a computer, print it, sign it, and submit it to the office. This and more mind blowing facts from #RuralEdChat
    • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      OMG. We do a weekly print & sign. School secretary says it's a matter of compliance for auditors. #RuralEdChat
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Yeppers. The only reason we don't now is that we have @CanvasLMS and our lessons can be viewed by Admin at any time. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67, @CanvasLMS
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    OMG! That's so funny. I never see them either. #ruraledchat Exception = Williams Act
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    YES! Was discussing this at #RuralEdForum with @lambert623 and others! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nrea1, @lambert623
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    Q4: Which of these hoops could be eliminated or changed to reduce their impact? What would your first step be? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat One job I don't want.
    • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 9:12 PM EDT
      They exist but they have to follow trivial rules as well. Every year it’s something new. Attendance, safety, wellness...
      In reply to @TG_Neil, @SHuggins67
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Couldn't resist. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan, @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    A4: With so many digital devices, anything that could be handled by an electronic form should be. Why do we still need so much paper? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    This works. I feel that my emotional state when dealing with hoops is about the same as the Balrog. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67, @937Nathan
  • j2k_EDU Oct 16 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    A4: first step; local control. One size fits all leadership is generally poor leadership. No one knows us better than us. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A4: As @nrea1 already mentioned, streamline the process to become a teacher. Also, create a pipeline for aspiring rural educators - grow your own. Also topics discussed while at #RuralEdForum #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:13 PM EDT
      Q4: Which of these hoops could be eliminated or changed to reduce their impact? What would your first step be? #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Preach, sister! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Yes! Yes yes yes! I can search for files on my computer much more easily than I can search for a single sheet a paper somewhere in that stack of tests and assignments #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • nrea1 Oct 16 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Quick certification process for teacher assistant or aide which hold associate degree. @AzRuralSchools is working on scholarships for teaching assistant to become licensed teacher. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan, @AzRuralSchools
  • blambson Oct 16 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A4: I.. Don't know! There are so many "reasons" they happen! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Q5: Most of our chat has been about process dysfunction. Other than processes, what are some sources of dysfunction or friction in your school? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Picking apart the reasons is the first (and sometimes hardest!) step for me #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @blambson
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    For me this also leads to the Q of what we want teachers 2B & how we percieve them. Glorified babysitters, public governesses, pink/blue/white collar, licensed technicians, highly-educated professionals...? #ruraledchat
    In reply to @nrea1, @937Nathan, @AzRuralSchools
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Dude. I need another night for that one! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • 937Nathan Oct 16 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A5: Quick turnover of superintendents. Leadership is key when trying to move a school forward - especially when trying to establish rural collaboration. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:24 PM EDT
      Q5: Most of our chat has been about process dysfunction. Other than processes, what are some sources of dysfunction or friction in your school? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A5: right now, communication between admin and staff is one. We've received a lot of last minute notice of schedule adjustments for assemblies, and each assembly seems to be a different length at a different time. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Oct 16 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A5: Still too new at my current school to answer this question. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Oct 16 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    We'll pick it up again sometime soon :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SHuggins67
  • SHuggins67 Oct 16 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    I'm tellin' ya. They need to grow their own AND use the Northern Exposure model. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan, @nrea1