#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday February 27, 2018
8:30 PM EST

  • MrGolding_ Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Hi #ruraledchat. I’m joining from a softball game in north Mississippi. I’m a school principal in Houlka, Mississippi.
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Good Evening #RuralEdChat ! Natalee from Maine.
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST
    I'm Matt, based in Seattle, and volunteer distance instructor helping to bring computer science to central WA #RuralEdChat
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Hey, I'm Chase from Dallas, TX - I work on Academic Policy for @K12Learn #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:29 PM EST
      Good evening #RuralEdChat! Tonight we'll be digging into student agency. Let's all get started by introducing yourself and where you're joining from tonight!
  • SJ_Grubb Feb 27 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Sorry not to be able to join live tonight! I’m going to miss a great #RuralEdChat @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Thanks for joining, Natalee! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Thanks for joining tonight Anthony! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @MrGolding_
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST
    :( sorry we'll be missing you! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SJ_Grubb
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Linda joining from NY a little late this evening #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Great to have you Chase! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ceskelsen, @K12Learn
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Thanks for moderating tonight, Matt. I missed last week, but it looked like it was a great chat! I'm looking forward to tonight! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Let's dive right in with student agency Q1: What choices do students have in your classroom today? #RuralEdChat
  • Dale_Chu Feb 27 @ 8:37 PM EST
    HAPPENING NOW: @try_rebooting moderating a discussion on student agency. Follow along at #RuralEdChat!
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Just on time! First question just went out. Great to have you as always, Linda. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A1: I try to do reading and writing workshop in my humanities classes and give time & space for student choice in reading and writing. Sometimes struggle with the content demands, though. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
      Let's dive right in with student agency Q1: What choices do students have in your classroom today? #RuralEdChat
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A1. They get to choose their own reading material.... #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A1: this one varies for me: with some project, we give students a lot of power to select what they want to make and set at least some of the goals. Often, though, I find I'm doing pretty set assignments. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
      Let's dive right in with student agency Q1: What choices do students have in your classroom today? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:41 PM EST
    What kinds of demands? Demands your students have for what they can do? Or for demands the content has on them? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A1: My mind goes straight to school choice... and unfortunately, many rural ed students don't have many options--luckily, online courses and schools (public/private) give them an option #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A1. I have to give Ss a full semester of college English in 5-8 weeks. They're lucky they get to breathe during the course! #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST
    If your class reading focused? Do you have to help guide them in what to choose? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST
    The demands of what content we need to cover. This year I'm teaching American Studies, so there are certain pieces of American Lit and certain historical events, eras, and concepts we have to get to. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Time constrains definitely make choice & flexibility difficult. This is my big struggle with my AP course - there's no time to do other things! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    yikes! That's intense! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I'm the librarian ... I teach them how to find the things they're interested in. Hopefully, they can read them :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Can you give choice in how they present their learning? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A1: not many choices today, or too many.. vacation week.. 😎 #ruraledchat
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
    No. Assignments same across the Uni. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A1a: I work with engineering design challenges. As work within constraints to solve the challenge. Many choices. #ruraledchat #stem
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Q2: Beyond content, do students have agency in creating your classroom's learning environment? How? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
    It's not just intense; it's nuts. Adults need more time to learn to write b/c of other obligations. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:48 PM EST
    What is the reason for the tight time window? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A2 Online classes, so Ss have more input than in traditional classes. #RuralEdChat
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A2: I run a critical skills classroom, where building community is an important part. Students are an important part of building and maintaining the community. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
      Q2: Beyond content, do students have agency in creating your classroom's learning environment? How? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST
    The idea is that Ss take 1 class, devote all attention to it. Doesn't work for skills classes, but .. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A2: mine is all about solving challenges, so it is an environment of questioning, researching and exploring. So I often follow the Ss lead. #ruraledchat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
      Q2: Beyond content, do students have agency in creating your classroom's learning environment? How? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST
    What does this input look like for your class? Posts on a class forum? Them bringing in more outside resources for topics or discussion? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Forum arrangement. Usually some topics I set to start things off. What happens depends on the group mbrs. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST
    How do the students build that community? Do they need much help getting it started, or is it completely organic each year? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2: My friend @KatieGrag wrote an article about growing up in a rural school where the students and staff had a family relationship in/outside the classroom - something I didn't experience in school in LA, CA or SLC, UT. https://t.co/EJ9ROvR3HG #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @KatieGrag
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Are students pretty quickly comfortable questioning things? I know mine tend to take quite a while, would love to have it happen more quickly #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Speaking from working with students in Rural Texas and Urban Texas in online courses, I would say it is very much organic each year. #RuralEdChat It also helps to have teachers in some rural areas for in-person events.
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @nataleestotz
  • EduGladiators Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST
    💥SATURDAY💥#EduGladiators starts a {NEW} Series for March: Momentum! Join @cooper1503 leading the convo on leveraging momentum to move forward! #5thchat #divergEd #ELAchat #EdSurgeChat #EmpowerMe #ETcoaches #k12PRchat #kaganchat #njed #nced #tnedchat #scichat #ruraledchat
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST
    I'd say there's rarely any community built. Most are mid-career folks, parents, FT jobs. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @nataleestotz
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST
    I'm nearly getting lost in the great discussion! Q3 coming in just a minute #RuralEdChat
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST
    I facilitate it: guide them through community building activities and establishing a full value contract. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST
    So is this rural and urban students all coming together in an online course? Must be a great experience for them, and interesting mix for you! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ceskelsen, @nataleestotz
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Would LOVE to hear @j_shopoff chime in on this. She worked extensively with rural Texas students and was able to build great relationships very quickly with students in online schools #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @j6panus, @j_shopoff
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Is the contract something you provide, or something they write? Both? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Explain, please, "full value" contract #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz, @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Q3: More student choices = more options for teachers to manage. How do you keep track of the choices your students have made? #RuralEdChat
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:59 PM EST
    They write it, although I do provide a few non negotiables to add to what they come up with. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Full Value Contract means that each student is fully valued. It's a contract the learning community makes to fully value each other and creating and maintain the learning environment we need to thrive. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni, @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Would love to see some copies of these, if you have time to share at some point! It's something I'd like to try in my classroom, but I'm not sure enough yet what it ends up looking like #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A3: It depends on where the choices are. In Writing/Reading, I need to keep a chart and I do check ins and status of the class. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST
      Q3: More student choices = more options for teachers to manage. How do you keep track of the choices your students have made? #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A3: relatively easy when there is a goal and design constraints. Choice within a framework. Maglev vehicles, or pop up books.. different form and shape and subject, but different and unique. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST
      Q3: More student choices = more options for teachers to manage. How do you keep track of the choices your students have made? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Got it now. It's a contract about social-emotional relationships. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz, @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Q4: I've been blending the two words so far, so lets differentiate. Is "agency" different from simply "having choices"? Is that difference important? #RuralEdChat
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
    This is one from my American Studies class. It’s short, this was a very new thing for them and they kind of struggled with it. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A3 Hi! Sorry to be late. I use Google Classroom, Docs, and Forms a lot to keep track of... well, everything. Focus question choices. All writing, and my feedback. Self-reflections. Assessments of me. You name it. #RuralEdChat
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST
    It's about how the class is going to run and how the most optimal learning environment is going to be established and maintained. So it's going to include your typical classroom management things as well as social emotional relationships. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni, @try_rebooting
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A4: yes I thing if I gave agency to Ss, they would also choose the challenge and determine design constraints. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Q4: I've been blending the two words so far, so lets differentiate. Is "agency" different from simply "having choices"? Is that difference important? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Glad to have you at any time! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bivey
  • SHuggins67 Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    We have a school library, but I have made a real effort to have a large classroom library & "read for pleasure" time. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @mrterborg, @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A4 That's a humongously important distinction. With student choice, teachers define the choices; students simply... choose. Student agency means they not only make but also define the choices. And sometimes the process itself. #RuralEdChat
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    As you should. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @SHuggins67, @try_rebooting
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A4 If I remember my sociology, agency is the freedom to make choices. If choices are limited, so is agency #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST
    For me, the difference is in ownership - I give students choices, but they have agency. Agency is empowerment not only to a choice, but to have a say in what the choice even is. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Q4: I've been blending the two words so far, so lets differentiate. Is "agency" different from simply "having choices"? Is that difference important? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:10 PM EST
    I like to think I'm good at giving choices, but I'm really now getting deeper into how I can promote agency #RuralEdChat
  • SHuggins67 Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST
    We have Garden class - which is really popular. One of my kiddos likes to opt out & stay in with me. He does extra math. PE-morning exercise can be the hosted Jazzercise or marching/running/jumping jacks. Not everyone likes dance or coordinated moves. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST
    And there are times when one might be the better approach over the other. Only, once you've given the kids agency, they... tend to hold on to it quite fiercely. Which, honestly, I mostly like. Especially working at a girls school. :-) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:14 PM EST
    I've been trying to shift from a teacher-centered class to a student-centered class. My Ss are so use to teacher-centered, that they don't know what to do with choice. For some it's scary. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Q5: What is one requirement in your school you wish students could have more influence in? #RuralEdChat
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I like it. A lot. We need to trust them to do what's right and help them when they fall flat. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @bivey, @try_rebooting
  • SHuggins67 Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I love Google Classroom. I use it a lot for both my second grade class & my student newspaper/yearbook group. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @bivey
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Baby steps .... #ruraledchat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • j6panus Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Yes, it can be! I hope they will get used to it. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Yes! I've been working on this for as long as I've been at my school- 7 years, making progress. We all still have a lot to learn and a ways to go! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Agreed. Honestly, learning to work through conflict and apparently unresolvable problems is a skill they'll need throughout their lives. Though I'll grant I'm still working on it myself. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg, @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:19 PM EST
    If they love winning the game of school, changing the rules is scary, for sure. I used a combination of making it clear I was hanging in there, and explaining (reasonably briefly) the why behind it, including the notion of research being on my side. :-) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:19 PM EST
    One thing I keep meaning to work into my conversations with Ss more: "What do you think is fair here?" I get some interesting answers. Brains definitely get churning. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bivey, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Aren't most of us? #ruraledchat
    In reply to @bivey, @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST
    That's a good question to ask them. I work with seventh graders. One of the main themes in their lives is fairness. One reason I love the age group. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @mrterborg
  • nataleestotz - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST
    both, I think. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 9:21 PM EST
    re: agency. I used to be the "on call" person to find out why some prof's student who was working hard wasn't doing well. Usually S was former SpecialEd. I'd say self-advocacy was the alternative to SpecialEd status -- and would be for the rest of their lives. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A5: I know I'm coming from a dif. viewpoint than many here, but looking at state policy, I wish Ss could help influence policy makers to realize that rural ed needs support just like urban. So much time is spent on inner-city while rural schools don't get support. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:23 PM EST
    How long have you been changing your practice from T to S? #ruraledchat
    In reply to @nataleestotz
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Self advocacy is a big thing in my school. If we think a given kid needs to work on it, we try to find a way to support her in growing in that skill. Which is delicate to pull off, to say the least. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni, @try_rebooting
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:24 PM EST
    They could... There's this thing called Twitter, it's on the intern.... #ruraledchat
    In reply to @ceskelsen, @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Different viewpoints are good! Being more tied into the policy side, from your view, why do urban schools get more focus? Where should rural students be speaking that they aren't? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ceskelsen
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Not sure. But hands on learning .... #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Punchiness aside, if they could speak as a collective voice, someone would (almost) have to listen #ruraledchat
    In reply to @ceskelsen, @try_rebooting
  • LindaAragoni Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Schools vary widely in how well they teach self-advocacy to special ed kids. Shows at college. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bivey, @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST
    And the internet isn't always best for speaking either, if the decision makers aren't listening on it! Now for organizing, that's a different ballgame #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @mrterborg, @ceskelsen
  • ceskelsen Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST
    They get more focus because there are more people in a small place... and usually closer to state capitols. Also, rural ed usually isn't expedient for political capital, so they're "forgotten" easier. Incredibly frustrating! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A5 Well, this year, there's an insurgency of sorts to carefully rewrite the dress code to be less objectifying and more in keeping with the mission of our school. That's an effort I support 100%. Or more. #RuralEdChat
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Right. But they could organize. And then find the appropriate media to use to speak. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @ceskelsen
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:28 PM EST
    This is probably a big question, but - is there a pattern in kids that do well, and strategies that worked for them re: learning self-advocacy? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni, @bivey
  • mrterborg Feb 27 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I've heard that most lawmakers pay attention to the old fashioned letter. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @ceskelsen
  • try_rebooting Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST
    I appreciate anything student driven that could be described as "an insurgency of sorts" #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bivey
  • bivey Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A5 I would also love to see our kids be more politically active while they're still with us. Often, once they're in college, they take off, "feministing all over the place" as I often say. Some of them are trying to get something going post-Parkland. Hope it works. #RuralEdChat