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Ignore the handwriting, but here are the questions for tonight! Don’t answer them yet, just giving some warning. 3 DL questions, 2 S/S and W/S questions, 1 Secondary question! #425chat
Q1) DE will play 6 tech vs TE and read block of OT inside of him. If getting washed down is a problem, he can just mash the TE and run straight thru him. #425chat
A1: 6 tech. Teach our ends to always jam/squeeze & play hook, drive, down blocks. Fight pressure w/ pressure. It helps engage the TE if their running a route as well. Those 1st 5 steps are important for any receiver. #425Chat
A1: Play TE in a 6, typically. I like head-up techniques for DL whenever possible, to keep OL guessing. Gotta work the hound out of defeating a reach. But, if it's "Trey tight" I like a 7 for the #'s. #425chat
I am big personnel guy. If you have a smaller quick DE play 6 and slant him. If you have a bigger guy that is better at gap control play 7 and strike the TE with eyes on the tackle. If you have a Beast, play a 6 and Two gap with eyes on the OT. #425chat
A1:We prefer a 7 tech. Allows him to stay gap sound and be more effective/aggressive against the down block. Get hands on the TE and fight pressure so your gap does not get compressed. If he releases or arc blocks, eyes go to tackle. We can man the TE as well if he releases.
A1:Our base alignment is a 6 technique but we can make a tight call to put them in a 7. Depending on the personnel and week we might like either. 21 or 12 personnel we might prefer the 7 due to the addition of a gap with a FB inserting.OLB has D gap #425chat
A1: We will play both a inside and outside technique on the TE. Our base rules tells our end to be inside if they have the 2I to their side and be outside if they have a 3 to their side. We then adjust the 3 to a 4I #425chat
We like a 6 in our base stuff a normal surface. Our 6 will be a C-Gap player, collision TE but read OT like a 5. Any extra body, (FB, H, Wing, etc) and that may change based on scheme/tendency. But our base rule to a 2 man "Pro" surface is a 6/C-Gap Player. #425chat
I am big personnel guy. If you have a smaller quick DE play 6 and slant him. If you have a bigger guy that is better at gap control play 7 and strike the TE with eyes on the tackle. If you have a Beast, play a 6 and Two gap with eyes on the OT. #425chat
Depends on flank, usually would have a 6T punching near shoulder of TE and falling off back into C gap. Having a 7T over TE obviously disrupts release off line but changes gap integrity of defense. Can always use the good ole under defense as well #425chat
Against 11 personnel, a 7. Against 21, bump to an 8 and let the $ move into the C gap. Eliminates T/TE dbl team and let’s the end squeeze the heck out of a down block and the $ can gap exchange outside #425chat
A1) Our base is a five v. TE with a Sam backer walked down in an Angle 9 over TE in our under front. We check stud moving our DE to a 7 if we can’t handle it in our base. #425chat
A1: we played a 6 vs weaker TEs and under front with 95135 vs a good TE. 6 read OT - Read key away hands to pressure Key, Read Key to get push thru on OT. #425chat
A2: back end guys basically worked together when 4-2-5. Down rover had separate coach. Indy should similar but need a lot of communication when on cans. #425chat
A1: we did play some “key” a tag on the front which made the DE bloody nose the TE. This “key” call also allowed our OLB to fill inside in a separation read of OT and TE #425chat
Yes. I coach FS/CB's, and we have a OSS coach for SS/WS. We do this as we evolved from a 4-4. In Indy/Group OSS coach will often take SS with the ILB's and I take WS with the other DB's. #425chat
A2: in perfect world, they would have own coach. In HS world, we train our three safeties together w,s,and f but will also get them time with ILB during run fills early in year #425chat
Yes. We will overlap these guys because they do so many of the same things. We don't see-saw safeties but we Sky our W/S down a ton. Always tell him he is "1 motion away from being the $tar." Will split Indy time based on particular needs, but they work together a lot. #425chat
A1:for us, both typically go with DBs for Indy, but we will bring the SS with LBs when we work pressures, alignment and game plan adjustments. SS is the hybrid player, so he needs technique/Indy time with both positions. #425chat
A1) I like a 7, use it to give that S or DB a run/pass key. 7 is holding his ground on down block, if passed up he is looking to wrong shoulder a kick. Tackle tries to reach he is steering and maintaining leverage outside #425chat
A2: All DL are together most of the time to work their fundamentals during Indy periods. We work their hands/feet/leverage a ton, at all DL positions. #425chat
A2: they have the same coach, but the spin safety splits time with the OLB's. Get run pass reads during Indy one day and work on matching routes the next. We are a small school and most of our guys play both ways. #425chat
A2: If it were up to me, I'd split it. Safeties and Corners are two separate positions that work in tandem. I feel the same way about DT's and DE's. #425chat
A2: Ideally yes. For the most part we keep the DBs together so everyone is on the same page with fits/covs. Depending on the week we have separated them out for Indy work. #425chat
We played both this year. Learning point. With a 6 and a bigger dominating TE was Caved and got movement lateral down the line. Moved to a 7, with eyes on T and still C gap rep. Get outside hand on V of the TE. Could sustain move of the force and still close C gap. #425chat
A2: Fortunate to have two coaches. We outline what we’re working on at their specific position each day, then put the pieces of the puzzle together at the end of an Indy period into team sessions. #425chat
A2: All five DB’s have the same coach. It is important that they all can play every spot in our secondary. We play basketball defense and have our best DB’s guard their best WR’s #425chat
A2: yes, bc they both have to learn man tech bc we play a lot of cov 1&0, also have to understand blitz/force tech, they are lb/db hybrid type kids, will work together w islb's towards end of Indy #425chat
A2 We have a safety coach, a cb coach and an outside LB. They will work with all three positions: safeties for run fits and top end coverages, CB for man techniques, and OLB for under coverages and edge / blitzing techniques. #425chat
I like my SS to be more like a Sam LB that can cover so my WS and FS go together... the WS would get some work with the OLB coach for when we want to be in 1-High
Didn’t cuz only 3 coaches at MS. They went with DBs 90% of the time and LBs other 10. If had the coaches then I would want them to have their own coach. #425Chat
A2) 3-3 now but last 3 seasons in 4-2-5 we split them with LBs and with DBs. Big believer they need their own coach for Indy if possible within the staff. I was DB 2 years and LB 1yr—Hard to get everything out of them with either group and especially splitting time. #425Chat
A2) 2 Safety coaches, free & down. We would split squad at times, take the Sams to run fit with Backers, Bandits stay and work cross trainingwith Frees. #425chat
A3: It varies based off of what your seeing RPO wise, in theory we match up very similar to how we match against the triple option. Just depends on what the tendency of the team you might be playing is. #425chat
A2: depends on how many coaches are available. I like a dt coach. A de coach. ILB coach. CBS coach. A fs coach and a w/s coach. But that’s not usually going to happen. Really have to cross train w/s and be intentional about what u want to work on each day. #425chat
I coach the Safetys. Cross train Spur, Ws, and SS. Idea. They have to adjust the most in the secondary and they are the eyes of the defense. Should be an extension of the coach. They meet with LBs in film review too. Got top notch coaches at LB,DE,DT -HC def mind also! #425chat
A2: They have their own, because they are the primary adjuster, and as force players have a key role our defense. They also have more alignment calls that they need to learn, not just taught #425chat
A2: F/S to strength, always with DBs. S/S sometimes with LBs. Our S/S would be W/S I guess I’m some schemes. We played a lot of 3 so he was an LB who could play on hash. Just how we structured it... #425chat
A2: str and wk safety go thru Indy with FS. Communication practice used thru drills. We don’t have enough coaches to divide. Also with any change in passing str, these two players rotate. Both play high and low. Trained both skill sets. #425chat
A3: I Coach my guys to know when they are the read key. Most RPOs come from the back side in gun and teach them how to show different reads to alter QBs thought process post snap #425chat
A2: Blessed to be able to split them, I coach FS and CBs, have another coach that coaches the ws and ss but we spend a lot of Indy time together. He also spends time with ILB coach working run fits and blitzes. We're a 33 but concepts are similar #425chat
A1: I coach our Dog/Rover Safeties and we have our own Indy period. We still do group work with LBs and DBs but need our own period. These are the hardest positions in the def imo and need their own coach. #425chat
A2/ Small class in Southeast Missouri we will have them have their own coach. In our minds they have to able to do both, and as long as you have someone able to coach both, let them coach them on their own. #425chat
We identify RPO side. Typically In 10 personnel, the RB side will be the RPO side. If 2x2 we will call strength to RB and alert RPO. Changes alignment to inside shade of #2 and slow to action away. Typically a lot of slants for voided LB. take it away with inside tech #425chat
A3: KISS.. keep it simple stupid, we teach our guys how to play man and believe in what we do.. teams that are RPO happy we play man 95-100% of time. Play a lot of man week to week so we don't have to adjust when we face this #425chat
A1: 6 tech, they are a free player, disrupt and destroy TE. Base=Cross face get into C Gap, Reach= Cross face and string/ get into D Gap, Down= Hands on drive down #425chat
Gotta know O tendency and who they like to read/block scheme.For overhang guys must know back to vs back away. Back To = Run Away/Throw To. Back Away = Run To/Pass Away (Base Rules). Will deepen LB if RB in Pistol. Mix coverage. Stunt/Pressure to overload/confuse scheme. #425chat
A3: their rules stay the same, I don't think you can change technique week to week, especially for HS kids. We try and dictate how we play RPOs by changing coverages: we can spike a corner to the flat, play man or quarters. Give a bluff pre snap #425chat
A3: I wouldn't. Have to be able to play Base against all offenses, including heavy RPO's. Figure out what they like to do in film and adjust your calls accordingly. I would work disguising coverages, blitzes, & safety run fits to confuse & give the QB false reads. #425chat
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11p Twin = 9t - anchor the edge
11p Trey = 7t (I'm weird, call it a 6i) & he reads to OT's release. Usually in an Under Front. Sam is the force.
21p = 5t
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LBs are Run 1st. They commit to their G read. Safety’s and spur will react to wr RPO. Dedicate 6 always to run minimal and 5 to pass. Think mostly slants for RPO we have seen. Alert side pre snap has been huge #425chat
A3: Can u get away with NOT teaching them differently against RPO teams? Can u simplify skill/tech where it doesn't alter too much? Just thinking out loud...prefer teaching skills sets that don't change from wk to wk. Game plan for opponents, yes. Change how u play, no. #425chat
A3: We are a 1 high team and play almost all man coverage. RPO’s are easy for us. 6 box guys play their gaps and the four DB’s covering people cover their people. High DB allows us live to play another down if some makes a mistake #425chat
A3: We don't teach them differently, last thing I want is them to play slow. Do your job based on the call and go. My job is to make them right. #425chat
A3) the way I see it with RPOs is if you got the boy dogs to go Cov 1 and lock up on the outside then that’s the simplest solution, if not then you got to mix up the looks, bluff blitzes, fire zones, etc #425chat
A2 cont: We based out of a form of cover 3, we are looking at transitioning into more quarters stuff. If we based out of quarters I'd prefer for all 3 safeties to be together and Corners to have their own coach #425chat
A3: Really they don't, get your read and play it, make them 1 read/ assignment players. Can't have paralysis by analysis. Have dive, get dive, have pitch get pitch, etc. We get our plus 1 with the FS=FWN #425chat
Not a true 4-2-5 guy in the since there is a Strong & Wk safety. Have a Ni Sam (always to the field), Cover Safety (CS - always to the field), & a Down Safety (DS - always to boundary). Ni can split time with LBs (run fits) & CBs (cov. skills). Helps get aligned fast. #425chat
DL A1: Prefer a 6 tech personally over the 7. Interested if this was against TE/Wing for say wing t? Still 6 for those who prefer? and vice versa for 7? #425chat
A3) With our d line rules, we “unload” a backer. So they don’t have to trigger instantly, we also have coverage check to allow the down safety to not be a force flat defender. Have to change the Qs picture. #425chat
Decide who you want to have the ball in the RPO and go from there. If the throw is what you feel best giving up tighten in the RB side OLB. If the QB is who you want with the ball chase the DE and fall back with ILB. If the RB is the guy, skate the DE and cover throw. #425chat
A3) we play a ton of C1 & C3. We only played one team that was primarily RPO based and their goal was to attack the middle of the field. Our only adjustment was to move our overhangs from an outside shade to an inside shade. It took them out of it their RPO game. #425chat
A3: they have to read keys and play. Needs to be built into what you are teaching from day 1 especially with the amount of tempo and motions - plan your work, work your plan #425chat
You can’t change your keys IMO... you have to have good tendencies and change up your looks to keep them on their toes... like changing reads for an option team @CoachKelleyAHS#425chat
Q4) like with reads, we align the same way regardless of splits: hook foot with DT’s on the inside and hand tech on outside. Still have to get hands on the same guy and read the same keys. Getting gap heavy creates angles and squeezing widens outside gaps #425chat
Keep your 4 DL Within a few feet of their normal alignments. Still have them play same. Get off squeeze or bend same rush lanes. Let the offense have to go east west. Swarm to the ball #425chat
Being an offensive minded guy, the reason for big spilts are for better angles. (Mostly kick/trap blocks) Call their bluff and shoot the gap. Send zone pressure. They will stop being cute when you smack the RB or Qb #425chat
A4) feel you must still honor the gaps and set the front just as you would normal splits. When we see big splits it tends to be used more so for midline reads so I would focus on DL not penetrating much, take their first step, butts low, eyes up, chop their feet down #425chat
If they haven't shown it on film you get the HBC to get a timeout and you smoke the other Defensive Assistants on the headsets for not have the foresight to know this would be the one week of the season they'd do this crap. (Kidding!) #425chat
As a coaches it is our responsibility to put the players in situations where they can be MOST successful. Goals: max cover down for the Ni. Keep players on 1 side. Teach them what the O Is doing & how we plan on stopping it. TEACH football. We are all links in a chain. #425Chat
A3. Would keep the front 6 on the run & back 5 on Pass. Keep it simple each week. All 11 to the ball. Don’t want them thinking too much each week.
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A3) IMO how you defend RPO should be apart of every base scheme you install. It has become the new norm. If you can’t defend RPO with that defense, you shouldn’t run it. Man coverage is the easy answer, but you better have the cats to do that. #425chat
A4 - we don’t see a lot of this, but I’ve done it against teams. The teams that had the most success against us played their ends in outside shades and their interior DL in “B” Gap. ILB stacked inside. #425Chat
A4: I would assume there aren't a whole lot of gap scheme plays being ran so we would just align in our normal technique. To compensate for the size of the gap we get creative with our pressure and blitz package based on the hit chart #425chat
A4) feel you must still honor the gaps and set the front just as you would normal splits. When we see big splits it tends to be used more so for midline reads so I would focus on DL not penetrating much, take their first step, butts low, eyes up, chop their feet down #425chat
Have not seen wide split teams, especially in terms of this. I may be unorthodox, but I would go ahead with two 2s and send both backers A while leaving our anchor strongside 5 tech. Man across board and diamond the two blitzing LBs with an extra LB #425Chat
A4: We have them play their normal key and let the linebacker beat the lineman working up to them in space. Hard to zone block with large spilts vs a team that has every gap covered. #425chat
The game has shifted to intellectualism. You have to be a complete coach now. Think like an OC. Understand all philosophies from Slot-T, 10p/20p/Pro Spread. Are they spread to run or Empty based? You have to be able to run your base, & more importantly, it has to work. #425chat
A3) IMO how you defend RPO should be apart of every base scheme you install. It has become the new norm. If you can’t defend RPO with that defense, you shouldn’t run it. Man coverage is the easy answer, but you better have the cats to do that. #425chat
A1: 6 Tech. Strike and Disrupt. Firm believer in taking away angles for TE, makes OC have to make a decision about handling edge, don’t worry about getting hooked because down safety / OLB has Force. #425chat
A4) one option is line up DTs in gap and play same as DE on backside of run. Don’t penetrate and shuffle to chase playing QB if they are being read. #425chat
A4) Line up and play. It is more about our kids believing/ knowing their alignment/ assignment and playing fast/ physical. Call the call, Bulls Dig them and force them into 2nd and 15. #425chat
A4: depends on offenses purpose for huge splits.. shoot gaps and penetrate unless our d end has force responsibility.. try and let our dudes be attackers and be aggressive like always #425chat
Q4: we have the same read key but react differently. We allow ourselves to be reached when read key comes to us. This is good for inside zone also OZ we are in front of the RB by alignment and can make the ball bounce by getting vertical. Tech. allows Lb to play wide #425chat
Unload, I like that. Agree. With the way you set the front you have to eliminate the most dangerous screen & force the offense away from the read side (RB). It's why I prefer an Over front when 2-high. #425chat
A3) With our d line rules, we “unload” a backer. So they don’t have to trigger instantly, we also have coverage check to allow the down safety to not be a force flat defender. Have to change the Qs picture. #425chat
A5: we teach our safeties to creep, not a true backpedal just a slow back so they don't lose a bunch of ground while reading their keys. Our corners took a slide step to take away the quick slant and then backpedaled. Looking into a half turn tech #425chat
A5 We have taught BP with some shuffle. Looking to change to predominantly shuffle. Played more qtrs or bandit cov. Now looking at more 2 read predominantly. #425chat
A5) we teach both, feel they need each in the repertoire. Our man concepts on d, we like to read quick then backpedal. On zone concepts we read quick then shuffle. #425chat
A5: Teach Backpedal to the Cs and FS , overhangs are usually pressed/bump & run, or shuffle based on coverage. Never wanted SS backpedal because I can’t expect them to all to play like DBs. #425chat
A5: man-pedal; zone- shuffle.. we mostly play man but will play zone in some situations.. like the kids shuffling in zone bc I believe they can see more #425chat
Q5) High Safeties read-pedal based off there key, CBs either motor, press or shuffle, give them the option depending on the coverage to do what they are most comfortable with, not every kid can press at the LOS, not every kid understands leverage and cushion to shuffle #425Chat
A5: We teach all of our db’s to backpedal and shuffle. Our high safety needs to be able to backpedal to play center field. Our corners play press most of the time. Overhangs will use a hard shuffle technique. They have help low and high inside! #425chat
A5: For me it depends alot on the individual kids. I prefer and start with backpedal for all. If the kid is not as agile I feel shuffle/bail is easier for them. Im not a believer in all kids having to do the same. Differentiate. #425chat
A5: shuffle and I feel strongly about this one. We went to it this year and it's the best technique change I've ever made. It's a natural movement, allows better vision, allows our CBs to play tighter in zone, and makes it easier to play fade. #425chat
Will say this is something I'm studying this year. Believe I saw a Saban video out in the Twitterverse about the 1/4 Turn footwork, especially referencing safeties. Our corners will shuffle out. 2 speed footwork while reading w/ belly button towards the ball. #425Chat
A5: we teach a shuffle with CBs. Similar to basketball movement a lot of those play. Opens their vision and hips open to run. Their break forward is in a natural T step position. Holds a disguise for man as well. Kids simply close stance late to square up to WR #425chat
Reposted all the questions from tonight’s chat if y’all want to answer them so they will be archived! I’ll post the link to the chats on https://t.co/R3Ate1ggC7#425chat
Safeties=Slow back pedal, for read, really depends on coverage though. Corners= Shuffle, see things clearly(zone eyes)/ have a clear drive/plant foot, can flip and run to stay over top of vertical routes. #425chat
