#txhsfbchat Archive
A chat for high school football coaches. Topics discussed: coaching methods, program development, and impacting our athletes.
Wednesday May 18, 2016
9:00 PM EDT
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Cody Gardner FA for now.....that's right the offer is rolling in, yep, singular.
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Terrance Banks HFC Newton HS Covington, GA
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I am Chris Fisher, OL coach at Ridge Point in MoCity, TX...I am your host tonight and your source for all things
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Dan Gonzalez Football Consultant...
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Brandon Behnfeldt, Delphos Jefferson HS, Ohio.
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Bart Bowen Kearns High, Ut Offensive Line/Run Coordinator
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Tom Brankin
Calumet New Tech HS
Gary, IN
Off Coord
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Jack Dingus OL/LB Coach at Crooked Oak HS, OKC, OK!
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If this is your first time, feel free to jump in & share any time you're ready! The more coaches sharing, the better we become!
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Joe Gaudio HC/OC St. Max Mustangs - Aurora, ON Canada
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Matt Cullen LB coach Denmark, WI
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Coach lash MS HC, Charlotte NC
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Tonight we will use the Q1,Q2...A1,A2 format. Please RT all Qs and tag all your tweets with
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John Grayson - Varsity Linebackers Coach - Montini Catholic, Lombard, IL.
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Jason Koenig, WR coach; Montgomery Blair; Silver Spring, MD. LOVE the idea of empty sets
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Eddie Young, HC/OC Lajeunesse HS, Windsor, ON
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Zach Turner. Assistant coach Kenton High School
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Lets get going! Q1 is on the way!
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John Martin HC/OC Mt. Anthony High school, bennington, VT
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Dan Inderhees HC St Susanna (OH)
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Brandon Wise HC at Marais des cygnes valley in Kansas
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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"Orlando" James: Univ. Mary Hardin-Baylor FB Recruiting/OPS Intern; VOLS Sport Management Grad Student; Bearden HS, Knoxville,TN
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A1: Teams often stay in one/two alignments to empty. Easy for OC/QB to read box and both sides. D can't be right!
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Q1 RT-->Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense? https://t.co/jdmdILLtuD
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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A1: we are looking to utilize empty sets more this season. Trying to space the field and give our athletes the ball with room
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A2: To create a mismatch. My favorite is stick/draw RPO. We also do it to try 2 get a LB on a RB or WR. https://t.co/p9RWYp9Lmc
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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Evening gents. Im Travis, live in Waco, Tx. Trying to get back to school and finish so I can start my dream job.
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A1: We will motion to empty a lot to create numbers! https://t.co/p9RWYp9Lmc
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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Why: expose matchups & put playmakers in space How: through gameplanning to single out weakest defender https://t.co/QriLJE3DQx
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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A1: We use empty to spread the D, get more of our athletes on the field and in space, and create mismatches
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Ben Duhon, LB's, Sp. Teams Coor., Character Coor. Hightower HS, Houston, TX
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A1) when your 3 TD a game RB can't make it to camp.........that's when. Or if we can get a 4 man box & run QB trap.
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Use them because we saw a weakness in their coverage, or trying to isolate our qb with a LB
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A1: A means to dictate coverage, defensive structures, and matchups **WITHOUT**changing anything for the QB
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A1: We use empty sets to create distortion - place stress on coverages/defenders and dictate matchups
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Tony Shiffman. Offensive line
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A1: have used it as a full offense or as a package. Empty presents many challenges D wise and forces them to work on it.
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We use it to get our athletes into the MOFO
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A1: if you've got the line to protect it can create some mismatches in the passing game. Gets a LB or S on a wr or running back
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How often and quickly will the D respond to motion and try to match numbers?
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"single out weakest defender" nice, and smart https://t.co/8xgkT2tDiI
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Why: expose matchups & put playmakers in space How: through gameplanning to single out weakest defender https://t.co/QriLJE3DQx
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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From a defense perspective it stresses your kids. HAVE to have great open field tacklers. Which is rare. https://t.co/XXNUEAu9UW
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Q1: How and why do you use empty sets in your offense?
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Last year as a first time Freshmen HC and OC, I used it primarily when teams wanted to keep 8 in the box
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A1(cont): we also had tons of athletes that we could get into space and attack the D. Qb was a run threat and could sling it
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Trey Preston, outside sales rep for . Video breakdown, stat, analysis company. Here to learn more!
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A1: Open up the box more for the run game. Utilize Jet motion Power read. We are wing t but used empty set to win semi final gm
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Coaches from 14 states and Canada on tonight -
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A1 Empty sets force theD to defend 5 WR while defending 6 in the box. Most D's have only 1 or 2 defaults vs empty
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Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package?
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Exactly. Not many tackles are made 1-on-1 either.
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RT Q2 --> Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package? https://t.co/EEFMwFj2n7
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Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package?
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A1: see how the defense will react. See pre determined d.
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A2: jet sweep action and you can run a ton. Power Read. Jet Read. Jet. QB trap. QB IZ.
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motion is a great stressor w motion. lots of communication needed
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A2:looking to run zone and H-power. Also adding all the window dressing with the schemes,jet, power read ect.
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A2: Mainly IZ/OZ, along with Jet with RPOS!
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zone read, power read, sweep. had a great empty package w H back that allowed to access all offense
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A2: QB Trap/Draw/Counter, Speed Option, Jet sweep. We would use motion with our Qb runs for deception.
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#2 from wk side motions to trips and runs bubble, lot of blockers out there. Or so the offense tells me https://t.co/9cCm6Q5leu
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Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package?
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A2: Jet sweep, QB draw, QB dart
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A2: I like RPO's in empty. Put the decision with your QB
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We're Gun-T. Don't do empty, but could see motioning into Buck w/ QB Trap or Gut, Q Keep Weak, and throws to SE backside.
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what's your favorite jet rpo out of empty?
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A2:Pwr read, can run QB counter if we keep in an H-back, will give T a "Stanford" call to stay and have H be the turn up blocker
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I also realize it says RUNNING plays now. Soooo that's awesome https://t.co/9cCm6Q5leu
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Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package?
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A2. We're Gun-T. Don't do empty, but could see motioning into Buck w/ QB Trap or Gut, Q Keep Weak, and throws to SE backside.
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A2: QB Draw and when my one and only QB was out for 4 weeks with a concussion, the Wildcat with 2 ballers!
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Q3: Why do opponents use the empty set against your defense?
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A2: Anybody run Down with HB when he goes in early motion? Hard for me to see more than Jet or QB runs.
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A2 We'll run the heck out of QB Power Guard or Tackle pulls.
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All good...bubble is just a long pitch, if you ask me
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RT Q3 --> Q3: Why do opponents use the empty set against your defense? https://t.co/syeWZTLI4Z
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Q3: Why do opponents use the empty set against your defense?
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A3 forces the D to play in space and be good open field tacklers
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favourite is a slant by bs slot to control Will and other 2 rec will run a post and seam post to torch rotations.
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A3 last season to spread us out. Good run D but we struggled in space. Also had to blitz to generate pressure
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A2: Power Read! Power Read! Power Read! We motion vs man teams to empty QB Power or screen to the RB https://t.co/EDUhkGIArP
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RT Q2 --> Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package? https://t.co/EEFMwFj2n7
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Q2: What running plays do you incorporate into your empty package?
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A3: we run a Cover 4 defense, so they are looking to see how we cover the trips vs twins side. Looking for conflicts of base D.
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A3: we haven't had many go empty against us, we had a good D line... the key to defending empty is having a good d line
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A3: same reason our O goes empty + to hope we can't tackle in space https://t.co/q4Wcro1ibS
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Q3: Why do opponents use the empty set against your defense?
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along those lines, looking at NOW to #1- force D to press#1? limits coverage and thus match ups v empty
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LBvWR, Open field tackling, kids forget fundamentals when see empty. 👀 get big, deer in the headlights https://t.co/nSh9alaz0l
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Q3: Why do opponents use the empty set against your defense?
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A2: not truly "empty" but we will run buck with rb G's pulling qb will spin out opposite. It's NASTY! https://t.co/xSl31Rd6Rd
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A2: Q-counter RPO. Stick to quads side. 1on1 slant/fade backside depending on CB leverage. Count the box https://t.co/onlVmmbHhw
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A3 Our run defense was stingy last year. Only way some teams could move the ball.
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A3) couple; jet, QB counter of jet motion, verts with a drag, all hitches, bubble, blah blah blah,
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A3: As mentioned, to find the weakest DB. How quickly can the D adjust when the top WR lines up on your weakest?
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Q4: What QB RPOs do you incorporate into your package?
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Jarrett Laws, Football Strategist and once upon a time, Alief Elsik Jr. Ram QB!
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A3: To spread us out 2 create a mismatch. It was also used in order 2 add 1 more receiver when they needed to score.
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They better move now. The ILB is usually the read guy, unless the WR is in close position. https://t.co/KXX4P7YUfa
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How often and quickly will the D respond to motion and try to match numbers?
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A3: they were trying to get a lighter box.
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If the chat moves fast and you miss something, make sure you go to https://t.co/f5lk6qYuf8 tomorrow for the archive!
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A4: STICK-DRAW! STICK-DRAW! STICK_DRAW! I posted that clip during our RPO talk https://t.co/rucdesWat7
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Q4: What QB RPOs do you incorporate into your package?
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sometimes allowing them to adjust is just what you need. Or you put him on conflict.
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A4 We start in a trips look, motion our back to either side and read the OLB/S. We're looking for a 5 man box.
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A true Cover 4 or Quarters?
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Coach what is the common default empty package you see https://t.co/R6otnt9hs8
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A1 Empty sets force theD to defend 5 WR while defending 6 in the box. Most D's have only 1 or 2 defaults vs empty
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A4: id like to put in a backside slant or pop seam off jet motion but I don't make those decisions.
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Still putting the defenders into conflict!
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A4 stick Q draw. Adding pop q ctr trey and spacing q ctr trey in 1 back
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One of our opponents ran trap- pop pass RPO that gave us fits. Stressed my backers like crazy https://t.co/jOu5XgLeMF
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Q4: What QB RPOs do you incorporate into your package?
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is on 🔥 tonight! Taking notes from all these great coaches.
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A4: saw variation for the "stick-draw" today called Wahoo on trips side the 2 I/S WR run wide angle hooks 2 make ILB cover more
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A4 We also run bubble or later screens with a pre snap QB read.
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Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why?
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did he step up like that ol Florida pop pass with Tebow??
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Pull somebody if you want RPOs to really work
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Sorry, meant lazer. Later screens sound fun though.
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Coming from a defensive coach, fellas...take note https://t.co/JWeBmRfK7W
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Pull somebody if you want RPOs to really work
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A5: Both, if we only do one, they have the pen last.
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RT Q5 --> Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why? https://t.co/3liH6Oi2Mr
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Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why?
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Q5 gotta know if the offense really knows what they are doing. u can see some that are just trying to be cool
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I prefer bringing the house. Empty is just as foreign for the O as for the D. Force the issue. https://t.co/XAE9jwkOa1
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Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why?
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Aaron Nowell Defensive Coordinator at Broken Arrow High School
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A5: Depends on situation; mostly base (with a few rule changes) to limit the offensive numbers gain of the formation
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A5: like to have a base look and have multiple coverages. Have the guys jokering around to threaten the blitz and send sometime
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A4: 11 Pers...TE to left, runs seem, during a Zone Rt by QB and RB. QB reads DE and LB to Left. If LB seeks to stop run, hit TE.
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I will say that many become too horizontal when they go empty...big mistake in my opinion.
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Coach...loving those wide splits! Wow! Were either of those DTs good pass rushers?
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A5) you empty we empty is an option, other is pinch front bump LB to 50s, 4114 front, play c4 behind. Quads kick S to MOF
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Agreed...5 verts has been very successful for us...someone usually comes free, OL just has to protect https://t.co/3oN7WiNPMg
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I will say that many become too horizontal when they go empty...big mistake in my opinion.
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A5 depends on opp but usually start off bringing six when they are passing team. Expecting draw or screen next series
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A5 threat of the 3 screens from the empty set really did a good job of keeping out the heat.
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A5: Sending 6 one more than they can account for. If QB is athlete may want to send 7. Kids need 2 be disciplined in their blitz
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A5: Depends on running ability of the QB https://t.co/Ij3B5zZkw7
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Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why?
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sure, pullers are critical mass, must account for extra gap on play side, it "triggers" faster & all out
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Q6: Do you have different empty packages/formation varieties you use to attack the defense?
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A5: if you send the house against a good QB and empty set is going to torch your D. Best is base and mix it up
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A5: Try to change every series so OC can't get a bead on us https://t.co/lOy4qoTsM5
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RT Q5 --> Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why? https://t.co/3liH6Oi2Mr
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Q5: When you see an empty set do you bring the house or play base? Why?
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how do you read 5 Verts? Where is your rush route/hot? Empty with no hot seems like suicide.
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hot route is out of bounds...just throw it away and snap it again
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Plus, we are not going to get beat by trap or Ctr, before RPO. RPOs are complex or more complex than a give,
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RT Q6 -->Q6: Do you have different empty packages/formation varieties you use to attack the defense? https://t.co/4XDcb6OdYh
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Q6: Do you have different empty packages/formation varieties you use to attack the defense?
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A6: Quads diamond. Gives us one of the following: numbers for now screen to quads, 5-man box for Q run, best WR singled
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A6) Quads if you have a stud to single up &/or a Running QB - Pick your poison type situation.
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We motion the RB out or we line him up on the trips side. One to attack man (our RB is better than your LB) and the other zone.
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4 verts with a 10 yard crosser, pain......LBers have to id the crosser and handle it, now it's LB vs. your chosen WR = loss
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Too add to the question, how many difn empty formations are coaches bringing into weekly gameplan? https://t.co/V4713d192R
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Q6: Do you have different empty packages/formation varieties you use to attack the defense?
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a6 I love bunch w empty or motion to empty...
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Toughest formation to defend especially if QB is a runner https://t.co/LJG2jDqyYg
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A6: Quads diamond. Gives us one of the following: numbers for now screen to quads, 5-man box for Q run, best WR singled
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Great job! the last Q is coming up!
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Q7: What route concepts do you use against 2 high safeties? 1 high?
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Q6) we have the ability to put our best kid anywhere in the formation. He is our H. Some may call him Adjuster or J
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RT Q7 --> Q7: What route concepts do you use against 2 high safeties? 1 high? https://t.co/69tMGAjPW2
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Q7: What route concepts do you use against 2 high safeties? 1 high?
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Dang, beautiful run, also why I want A & B gaps covered by dline. LBs widen ball bounce to them https://t.co/oOgHD5a928
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That is one of our adjustments, Rush 2 drop 7 spy with 2 ends https://t.co/SVZeFkAznH
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Exactly! One team we played had good athlete atQB and ran empty. Told DEs to go 2 yds stop and read. Keep QB contained
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A7 Smash or wheel/curl with RB to MOFO.
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A6: will use 4x1 in quad, line, unbalanced(to cause coverage confusion) and 4x1 w/ 3 bunched & 1 spread out
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A7: Mills, China, and Snag v MOFO. Verts v MOFC https://t.co/zKLAacV7OR
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Q7: What route concepts do you use against 2 high safeties? 1 high?
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Two of my former linebackers are now bickering on Twitter due to the
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A7: 2 high: smash, verts we see mostly 1 high. Love window concept. #2 bubbles #1 reads OLB tries to sit in hole when he widens
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https://t.co/MP6XgV9ooq
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2 high: smash, verts we see mostly 1 high. Love window concept. #2 bubbles #1 reads OLB tries to sit in hole when he widens
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what's that read for the A rcvr? Can't make it out
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A5: You have to mix it up. So they don't know what's coming. Take away there check confidence. All 11 in 2pt stance.
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Great job tonight! We talked empty, but my head is full! Awesome job!
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A7: MOFO we like Mills concept. MOFC we like to run All-Curl
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