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Please share who you are, how & where you "gladiate" for students!
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tyler here prepping for what people are telling me will be “snowmageddon” in upstate New York, where I moved exactly one month ago from California. Former Jr Teacher working with college students now #EduGladiators
#Edugladiators I’m from Lexington KY. I’m an associate principal at a high school of about 2300. I deal with disciple a lot! Looking forward to this discussion!
Good morning, Gladiators! Heather from northwest Arkansas. I “gladiate” for kids in my high school English class and in creating (and hopefully expanding) an after-school program for 9-12 graders. #EduGladiators
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John Meehan from Washington DC. Eleventh grade English teacher and high school instructional coach. Fired up and fresh off a week in @WaltDisneyWorld after the @runDisney#WDWHalf!#EduGladiators
Katie Hernandez, middle school teacher from Burleson, TX. I am currently in the process of restructuring our detention process/replacing it with something new. I am so excited to get great ideas!#EduGladiators
Good morning #EduGladiators! Carla, secondary principal from Santo Domingo, Dom Rep. We have a long weekend so I'm tweeting from the beach in Cabarete. Love today's topic!
Ray, K-8 Math Coach from Rhode Island. Sitting here watching Mickey with my kids.
Make sure to join us for #edchatri on Sunday at 8pm EST. @yesriorg is taking over! #EduGladiators
Morning, Tyler & #edugladiators. I was on a bus last night where driver claimed we would be traveling through an "icepocalypse." Definitely no shortage of stormperboles (!) out in the world. p.s. I'm Brian. I teach MS students English in Colorado. I 💗 word play & new coinages.
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A1 Meet the students where they are at (adjust expectations according to their behavior) and treat them as young adults. Have the students create the expectations. Student Voice - Student Choice #EduGladiators
Vic an AP from the Dallas Fort Worth area. I gladiate by letting Ss know that they matter as individuals regardless of the large size of the school or the lack of material resources they have @ home. #EduGladiators
A1. Older students are typically expected to “know better,” and that typically translates to more autonomy, but stiffer penalties for the same infractions. #EduGladiators
A1 On one hand we might expect them to be able to monitor their emotions better & control the way they react, but.... they're adolescents and so often the hormones & social issues get in the way. So we have to be very understanding & patient.
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A1: That they are making progress on their emotional journey. That is why middle school is so important/difficult/fun/never boring - so much growth happens in those years. #EduGladiators
Good morning #EduGladiators! Louie from Philly here. 5th grade teacher.
Saturday mornings are slow for me, but glad I finally made it to #EduGladiators after two years of having it on my radar!!
A1: I believe the biggest behavior expectation we have of older kids is that we don’t have to teach behavior. That’s a critical fallacy. Secondary Ss need instruction as they navigate more complex social situations. #EduGladiators
A1. We hope that students learn the coping mechanisms when they are younger but too often they are only buffers for an underlying challenge where the solution escapes them. #EduGladiators
#edugladiators I actually just found this @yesriorg article about brain researched ways to make middle school better for students socially and emotionally. An early teenagers brain is changing as rapidly as an infant. Check it out - https://t.co/ibluGXaXpA
A1: We expect students to have an understanding that behavior has consequences, positive or negative, even outside of what the school does. We expect to be able to have conversations about this in reasonable ways and think through the impact of our behavior. #EduGladiators
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A1 I think we expect quite a lot from our teens because theyre so tall (!) and they’ll be adults soon, unlike elementary students, but they also have to try, practice and learn. #EduGladiators
A1: I believe we should be teaching our older students more about how their moods affect their behavior. We should teach them also that an apology does not always repair a damaged relationship. We need to teach restorative practices as well. #EduGladiators#edchat
A1 Great Q. I learned early that some Ts are made for Elementary and some for Secondary. I think that the younger ones need more coaching and modeling of proper decision making. The 14+ students need more reflection and chances to make decisions. Both need patience #EduGladiators
A1: Often we expect that older students "know better" but expectations and norms have to be clear and repeated year to year and setting to setting. #EduGladiators
A1. I find with HS kids you must earn their respect. They often tell me that some teachers treat them like they are subordinates and they do NOT like that. We must treat them like we expect them to do the right thing.
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My dad is having surgery this weekend, so I'm a little off. He decided to help a neighbor cut a tree down and it didn't quite work out as planned. He's 70, thinks he's 25 still. ;) #edugladiators
A1) For older Ss, and younger too, we need to move from punitive punishment to teaching skill deficit. Asking Ss to problem solve promotes growth for all. #EduGladiators
A1. Understanding that students in the secondary level are rapidly adjusting and finding themselves as individuals. Growing quickly but are still kids. :) #EduGladiators
A1) For some reason, we expect them to be more mature and able to stand on there own, rather than having empathy in regard to the #social, #societal and #classroom pressures placed upon them. #edugladiators
A1. I am not sure there is a huge difference- They are all kids no matter how young or old- they need lots of LOVE ❤️, a listening ear, understanding, compassion and finding the “why” is so important #EduGladiators
A1 I'm not sure mine do! 🤣 I teach ms now, but am former K, 2nd & 4th gr T. Mother to high schooler. I think something important to remember is even at 14+ kids are STILL KIDS! We can't expect them to be mini-adults that just "know". #edugladiators
A1. I've taught 8th grade/Middle School and currently 5th. They each come with their own challenges. In the older grades, I came to expect kids to do a bit more self-realization of poor behavior. They seemed to have firmer (not perfect) grasp on consequences. #EduGladiators
A1. I find with HS kids you must earn their respect. They often tell me that some teachers treat them like they are subordinates and they do NOT like that. We must treat them like we expect them to do the right thing.
#EduGladiators
A1. As children get older, they begin to be able to do more for themselves. My biggest expectation is not saying my name over and over and over.
Patience is key, my friends! Haha. #edugladiators
A1 One influence on my expectations for students of different ages: Experience can be a promising teacher & older students, in theory, have more time in that teacher's classroom. #EduGladiators
p.s. Caveat: Experience can also contribute to unproductive habits.
A1: I believe the biggest behavior expectation we have of older kids is that we don’t have to teach behavior. That’s a critical fallacy. Secondary Ss need instruction as they navigate more complex social situations. #EduGladiators
Great thoughts. I remind myself that we cannot rush the process. We need to let folks calm down if we want their best thinking. It will not be in the heat of the moment! #edugladiators
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A1. I find with HS kids you must earn their respect. They often tell me that some teachers treat them like they are subordinates and they do NOT like that. We must treat them like we expect them to do the right thing.
#EduGladiators
A1. I think we make too many assumptions about older Ss. They SHOULD know this or that..... They SHOULD be able to......
If they haven't been taught, then how can they? #edugladiators
A1 Sometimes we may think that our HSers will follow expectations because we tell them to do it, but we need to understand that they are navigating different spaces to feel comfortable and accepted at school. It is important that we model the expected behavior #EduGladiators
There is such an interesting balance between a storm of hormones and actual maturity that is happening during adolescence. When I taught 8th, it was like they were capable of switching on a dime... Need to capture the magical balance and run with it. #EduGladiators
I think that most teachers have a sweet spot of about 2 grades that fit them best. The faster you figure out what your two are and try to work with those ages, the better off you (and your students) will be. #EduGladiators
Thus is such a great point that their bodies are changing and with many teens that may be a weird feeling that they can't communicate clearly or in ways we deem appropriate. #EduGladiators
A1 On one hand we might expect them to be able to monitor their emotions better & control the way they react, but.... they're adolescents and so often the hormones & social issues get in the way. So we have to be very understanding & patient.
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A2: I think the do as I say not as I do mentality could fit here. I expect my students on time for example but I might come in late. What is the message? #Edugladiators
A1: Certainly there might be some differences in type of conversation with a teenage vs an elementary age student, but both types of conversations should come from a place of understanding and involve listening. #EduGladiators
A1) We expect that they are mini-adults with all of the background knowledge they need. We are harsher in discussions and in assigning consequences. #EduGladiators
A2: When teachers simply expect respect and don't treat students in a respectful way raising voice, discipline in front of others, etc. Be aware and make these changes in order to reach kids and make an impact. The adults need to stop and count to 5 lol. #edugladiators
a2 Sarcasm. Closed doors. No smiles. Talking more than listening. Phone calls only for bad news.
We can reduce the antecedents by using appropriate humor, opening doors, smiling, listening, and a daily #GoodNewsCallOfTheDay! #EduGladiators
A1 Sometimes we may think that our HSers will follow expectations because we tell them to do it, but we need to understand that they are navigating different spaces to feel comfortable and accepted at school. It is important that we model the expected behavior #EduGladiators
A1: I believe the biggest behavior expectation we have of older kids is that we don’t have to teach behavior. That’s a critical fallacy. Secondary Ss need instruction as they navigate more complex social situations. #EduGladiators
A1: As students get older in general they are expected to understand social norms and be able to control their impulses, however we all know that depending on home life/life experience this assumption is wrong #EduGladiators
It's interesting that we want to peg older students as being more mature, but we can't forget that, in the end, they really are still KIDS and can't lose this either. #EduGladiators
A1: We have to give older S's some grace when it comes to playing the game of school (and the moods they may go through). Knowing who they are and what motivates to them is so important! If they don't know, we have to help them find it. #EduGladiators
A1: MS/HS Ss should be better at navigating school expectations. They have experience. Often MUCH more emotional. Need space to make decisions for themselves. #edugladiators
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Often we find ss discovering who they are but moreso trying to fit in and often to succumb to pleasing their peers (regardless of what their parents have instilled in them). #EduGladiators
A1) For some reason, we expect them to be more mature and able to stand on there own, rather than having empathy in regard to the #social, #societal and #classroom pressures placed upon them. #edugladiators
A1. My expectations are developmentally appropriate for the age. You can’t expect an 8yr old to behave like a 17yr old. In general the expectations increase as they get older with the ultimate goal of self discipline. #EduGladiators
A2: oh man! I see two things frequently. 1) adults don’t take time to ask what’s going on and to listen. They are too busy imposing rules. 2) adults make kids feel trapped and challenged in front of peers. We need to practice our planned response to avoid these. #EduGladiators
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A2. We are the adults. We need to remember that. Middle School is a developmentally complex age. You need to understand them to appreciate and love them for who they are. #edugladiators
A1) As adults we often fail to realize that we were not perfect angels during our teenage years. We compare the student at 14 to the perception of how we deemed ourselves to be at 14. (Or how we think we should have been) #edugladiators
#edugladiators A2 - I think making excuses and blaming others is something that we all need to start doing less. Students listen to like half of what we say, but they watch everything we do.
A2. Years ago, I worked w/ a partner and created an app for educators to use that would identify a student whose behavior indicated they needed assistance and send notification to key admin. Rather than have a student spiral downward it would get them help. #EduGladiators
A2. Staying out of the conflict cycle, not always having to have the last word, listening for understanding when they are trying to "tell" us something. Behaviors-words and actions-can speak volumes! #edugladiators
A2 we don't model the behaviors that we expect of our students, they see and pick up on our attitudes towards our work, how we project ourselves, how we speak and interact with others #edugladiators
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Interesting. I find that we can overestimate students mastery of these prerequisite skills. I also think we assume at times that they are the same for everyone. #edugladiators
Absolutely and each students experiences fill in and leave out different lessons then then life bring thems new ones on top of it...meet them where they’re at and build up #EduGladiators
A2: correcting/calling out a S in front of others is often where a power struggle begins and it is really hard to stop once the wheels are in motion. #EduGladiators
Well said Brent! Or when Ts poorly handle interactions with Ss especially if that results in Ts yelling, or belittling other Ss. Bad example. Sometimes Ts create volatile situation to prove who’s in charge. #EduGladiators
A2. Who are the adults? We are. Middle school in particular is a very complex age especially developmentally. Vital that we as educators understand, value and love the Ss we all serve for who they are. #EduGladiators
A2: Believing one explanation is sufficient causes huge problems at the middle school level. Yes we want kids to listen, but we know developing learners need scaffolding and supports. #EduGladiators
A2. Years ago, I worked w/ a partner and created an app for educators to use that would identify a student whose behavior indicated they needed assistance and send notification to key admin. Rather than have a student spiral downward it would get them help. #EduGladiators
A2) For young adults public shaming, engaging arguments that are power/control related and not noticing small positive steps. Building relationships goes so far to minimize these. ALSO if you have relationships you can identify w/them when you make a mistake. #EduGladiators
A2: If the 1st thing an adult says to a student is negative or a correction, it sets a tone for interactions that day. We must try to start with a smile and a high five or ask how they are doing to set a positive tone before anything else. #EduGladiators
A2. Sometimes adults can’t help but take it personally when a child misbehaves, so they wield their positional authority to “remind the child who’s boss” - reinforcing an already one-sided power dynamic.
Conversation is always more important than the consequence. #edugladiators
A2 We discuss everything, including professional, personal behavior. When it’s not quite right, I try solutions first; do you need to step out? Go for a walk? Take a friend if you’d like. Then we talk. - I try to offer students what I’d want instead of discipline. #EduGladiators
The power struggle is real. We have to be mindful of that. Kids play into that and we can't allow https://t.co/UZKirnw3hU strum that string. #EduGladiators
A2. Staying out of the conflict cycle, not always having to have the last word, listening for understanding when they are trying to "tell" us something. Behaviors-words and actions-can speak volumes! #edugladiators
A2 Assuming students know your expectations without letting them know your expectations, and when a student poses a challenge you use a demeaning voice indicating "how could you do . . ." It's about communicating with the students, not at the students #EduGladiators
Yes! Can't take the behavior personally. There is A LOT going on in their minds/lives. We can have high expectations, but remember that we are not the only things going on in their lives. #EduGladiators
A2. Did you realize how challenging the word, "Why" is for students? Often educators listen to a challenging behavior and then ask the student why they did that. Many times you will get a blank stare rather than any helpful response. #EduGladiators
This is so critically important! We need to set our students on the path to self-realization! It is not our job to point out all their flaws, but help them love themselves and seek to be the best version of themselves. #edugladiators
Lisa Delpit #OtherPeoplesChildren States (paraphrasing):
some kids come to school and the teacher is in control because they are the teacher. Other kids say you have to demonstrate to me you are the leader.
Moral of story #Relationships and #Expectations Matter #EduGladiators
A2: When teachers simply expect respect and don't treat students in a respectful way raising voice, discipline in front of others, etc. Be aware and make these changes in order to reach kids and make an impact. The adults need to stop and count to 5 lol. #edugladiators
I tried for years to get our admin. to provide counseling for suspended students to no avail.
We need to find out why they acted the way they did & find help.
ISS & detention did little to curb the students' behavior. Counseling page https://t.co/WMOY2cQTFj#EduGladiators
A2) Adult behavior that causes student behavior does not have to be negative. Aren't we always trying to influence students' behaviors and actions? #EDUgladiators
A3. Such a complex question and so many factors to consider. Safety of staff and students of course is a priority. Mentally, socially, physically safe. #edugladiators
✔️ Trust your students.
✔️ Value their literacies.
✔️ Honor their time by giving them relevant learning opportunities.
✔️ Provide timely, meaningful + usable feedback + support.
✔️ Honor the power of yet by encouraging rethinking + revision.
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A2. Adults not setting the example. If there are rules for cell phone use, adults should not use them in class, adults should also adhere to the dress code, they should not disparage other adults in front of kids (or at all). Just be aware that we are role models #EduGladiators
A1. Behavior issues are present at any age. In elementary school, Ss often times need assistance in managing their emotions. In high school, it is common for Ss be withdrawn. Effective Ts will find a way to reach all Ss by relating to them. #edugladiators
A2b: the “let me be stern for this amount of time” mindset at the beginning of the year. If you close off the opportunity for students to make connections to you as a person, they have no reason to give their best efforts. #EduGladiators
A2 love when students forget a pencil and the teacher makes a big deal....not! Did u ever forget something? Give them a pencil and move on! #edugladiators
A2: AVID is a fantastic training I think ALL Ts should have to help not only with proper responses to behavior, but bring awareness to adult antecedents to Ss behavior. #EduGladiatorshttps://t.co/1b0qA55U6X
A2: Adults that do not model life-long learning. To strive to continuously become a better version of yourself, every day, must be transferred to our students.
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A2: If we complain enough, we will get our way. Ss learn early on at home that no doesn't mean no, and adults still believe that too. 'The ole' squeaky wheel gets the grease' adage.' #edugladiators
A2 This Q gives me chance to kick horse that's definitely not dead: I suggest conventional grading approaches qualify as an adult behavior that serve as problematic antecedent for many young person behaviors. Power to be tapped in rethinking assessment/evaluation. #edugladiators
#edugladiators - A3 - Most ongoing behavior has a cause. Finding that can be tricky, but we need to engage in the MTSS process and pull in service professionals (social workers, psychologists...) to come up with creative solutions to help the student.
Yes! These assumptions frustrate everyone involved. The more intentional and clear we are, the more we invest in communication, the healthier we will all be! #edugladiators
I’m reflecting also this morning on Carla Shalaby’s “Troublemakers.” Is the goal of discipline all about conformity? How do we have space for students to stand out (be outstanding)? #EduGladiators
A2. Adults not setting the example. If there are rules for cell phone use, adults should not use them in class, adults should also adhere to the dress code, they should not disparage other adults in front of kids (or at all). Just be aware that we are role models #EduGladiators
@UseTrain was the name of it. The person who wrote the program worked w/ Steve Jobs and wrote Appleworks program so we called it TrainWorks. No, I don't believe it is active now. #EduGladiators
A2. Years ago, I worked w/ a partner and created an app for educators to use that would identify a student whose behavior indicated they needed assistance and send notification to key admin. Rather than have a student spiral downward it would get them help. #EduGladiators
Right on! This is such an important reminder. I had this conversation with my student teacher this week. What looks like "disrespect" often has nothing to do with you + shouldn't always be considered a referendum on you as a person or your teaching. #EduGladiators
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I also feel that the lack of modeling desired behaviors is often missing. “Do as I say, not as I do” doesn’t work.
Even modeling the simplest of things can go a long way for the students.
A3 In our school I believe OSS reserved for most egregious: physical violence, drug use, etc. ISS for repeated significant behaviors issues. (But I'm not totally sure, I don't think we use either very often.) #edugladiators
A3 ISS, OSS, or disciplinary hearings should only happen after you have done your best to find out the root cause of the behavior. Provide an opportunity for teaching appropriate behaviors. #EduGladiators
A2 we need to remember that Sts bring their home expectations to school and, if they differ, we clarify expectations as we build our learning community #EduGladiators
A3) just as in the greater society, the punishment should fit the crime. ISS, OSS should be reserved for grave mistakes--keeping in mind that's what they often are: mistakes. Poor choices. Those choices came from somewhere. Need to dig deep and find the cause. #EDUgladiators
A3. Most behaviors have a root cause. Vital we as educators work as an effect team, rooted in genuine relationships, to understand the cause. Stakeholders of academic team of teachers, grade level admin, counselor, social worker, etc. to work to assist. #EduGladiators
Power in modeling for sure, even modeling when/why we might use a personal device purposefully in class vs. giving in to impulse reflexively when this or that notification sounds like a Pavlovian bell :) #edugladiators
A3: we have a digital tracking system that allows us to stair step supports for individual Ss. ISS is reserved for S who are not responding to reflective discussion & other support & continue to make the same harmful choice or when the district policy mandates it #EduGladiators
I'd go a bit further and say DO NOT speak poorly of any student. Period. They are children and we are tasked with helping them grow. Not with judging their home life...
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This is definitely a dead horse! Grades and conventional ways of assessing and testing send kids into overdrive. We have to do better here #EduGladiators
A2 This Q gives me chance to kick horse that's definitely not dead: I suggest conventional grading approaches qualify as an adult behavior that serve as problematic antecedent for many young person behaviors. Power to be tapped in rethinking assessment/evaluation. #edugladiators
A3 (part 2) We're adding full-time social worker to our staff for next year to help work w/ Ss. I hope this means being proactive instead of reactive. #edugladiators
We are role models and an set the example in how to behave more by what we do than what we say. Those of us who have our own kids would definitely agree. #EDUgladiators
A2) How often as educators do we ask ourselves what can I do differently in the classroom to meet the needs of the child🤔🤔🤔 Our frustration leads us to say we have 20 other kids in the classroom to worry about. It is not fair to other kids (and much more). #edugladiators
A3. After 26 yrs as a principal I believe we spend far too much time being reactive to students' behavior when spending at least the same amount of time being proactive could greatly reduce OSS/ISS #EduGladiators
A4 Conversations won't really be effective unless the students know that you care. Otherwise it's just talking, like Charlie Brown's teacher. #EduGladiators
I’m also reflecting this morning on how I’m navigating this as a parent. Our 11 year old started middle school two weeks ago and it’s been ROUGH. Her issues are squarely centered around grief. #EduGladiators
A3. Most behaviors have a root cause. Vital we as educators work as an effect team, rooted in genuine relationships, to understand the cause. Stakeholders of academic team of teachers, grade level admin, counselor, social worker, etc. to work to assist. #EduGladiators
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This one is hard for anyone, but disciplining WITHOUT emotion. Keeping things factual and not taking things personally can really deescalate a situation. Easier said than done, of course.
A3: I’m not sure what you mean by “hearing.” We give every student due process before assigning consequences (discussion about the behavior referral and the student’s thoughts.) We listen. Feedback and reflection are critical components to growth. #EduGladiators
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A3: Realistically, OSS or ISS, any removing of a S from class or school should happen when others are in danger or behavior is escalating & waiting would lead to more destructive type behavior. Root causes need to be understood, then support given when possible. #edugladiators
A3: When student or staff safety is threatened, when disruptions impact the learning environment. Multiple conversations should have already taken place with parents/Ts/admin. Mediations with areas of conflict and placement strategies for students disrupting. #EduGladiators
A123 If you communicate expectations, have Ss create expectations, then it's about follow through for Ts and choices for students. When a S knows the consequences of their choices (positive/negative), you let them make their choice and move on with the convo #EduGladiators
What's cooked into many grading practices is a distrust of students. I've looked at grading systems that are built because teachers feel like students are trying to put one over on them, so we see draconian policies that model compliance + fear + not much more. #EduGladiators
A3) just as in the greater society, the punishment should fit the crime. ISS, OSS should be reserved for grave mistakes--keeping in mind that's what they often are: mistakes. Poor choices. Those choices came from somewhere. Need to dig deep and find the cause. #EDUgladiators
A2: Co-worker & I were talking about this after yesterday's school dance. Investigate before punish. Be open to mediate. Listen closely. Almost nothing happens unprovoked. #edugladiators
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A3. ISS and OSS have been places in our Code of Conduct discipline guidelinesbased on the severity of the infraction. We still need to look at the root of the issue before assigning consequences. #EduGladiators
A4. Sit down and listen to the students. Invite the family to join in all working toward a solution that will help the student develop some proactive skills. #EduGladiators
A4 I believe we need more counseling available in schools. Build it in to school day. Oftentimes we hear about families who should be benefiting from some type of counseling or therapy service but don't because of availability or cost. #edugladiators
Ironic that when I tweeted this & scrolled my feed just now, it fell among all the #EduGladiators tweets in their weekly chat. This week's topic: Discipline.
😬 Oops.
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A4: This question slays me every time. In Ontario, we don't have enough of this. I dream of schools as community hubs, with community kitchens, counselling services, fitness facilities, tutoring support, clothing access. #edugladiators
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A4: Suspensions stink, but sometimes are necessary. We must counsel with students and determine the function of the behavior. Yes the behavior is bad but why is it happening? We have to remember that discipline is always about teaching, not power. #keepkidsinclass#EduGladiators
A4 Conversations won't really be effective unless the students know that you care. Otherwise it's just talking, like Charlie Brown's teacher. #EduGladiators
A3. I am not a fan of ISS & OSS-we need to have conversations, find out the cause, provide counseling both in school & outside school, allow for growth & wipe slate clean- a child should NEVER be labeled! #EduGladiators
A4) We include the young adults in conversations. We do this as that is what would happen at work. Teach & practice self reflection. They learn they are a critical part of their team. Learning to ask questions is another skill that this builds. #EduGladiators
A3. ISS and OSS have been places in our Code of Conduct discipline guidelinesbased on the severity of the infraction. We still need to look at the root of the issue before assigning consequences. #EduGladiators
A3. After 26 yrs as a principal I believe we spend far too much time being reactive to students' behavior when spending at least the same amount of time being proactive could greatly reduce OSS/ISS #EduGladiators
This allows is to take onto perspective our bias and address cultural differences as well. We can't punish based on lack of information. It's an offense in itself. #EduGladiators
A4: Having ways for S's to be able to communicate with trusted adults in and out of school is important. Being a connected educator makes this easier, but you still have to have good, trusting relationships for this to work. #edugladiators
A3: ISS/OSS can’t be you’re “go-to”. Ss will still return to your class or school at some point. Qs is what supports have we given Ss before & after + what changes have we made as a school/faculty upon their return to minimize repeat behavior. #EduGladiators
Q2 When adults antagonize Ss who are already having strong emotional responses and they will not let up causes the Ss to snap and thus are punished because the adult provoked them further. Give Ss space and time to calm themselves. #edugladiators
A3. I am not a fan of ISS & OSS-we need to have conversations, find out the cause, provide counseling both in school & outside school, allow for growth & wipe slate clean- a child should NEVER be labeled! #EduGladiators
YES! Hard sometimes I know. Ss can be frustrating...but in my opinion each new moment is a new moment and it’s up to me to never give up on them #EduGladiators
A3: OSS and disciplinary hearings should have counseling attached. How will we get to the root of the problem or prevent future occurrences? Unfortunately in order for this to happen we need to increase trained counselors. #EduGladiators
A3 We need to have a conversation with our students and see what factors are influencing that type of behavior! Was something I said misinterpret? They could come from outside school too! I think about Restorative Practices as a way to start the convo #EduGladiators
A4. Not always a fan of suspensions but sometimes are necessary in certain situations. However, upon return from school it is vital restorative practices are immediately put into place prior to the student (or students) returning to their classes. #EduGladiators
Q2 When adults antagonize Ss who are already having strong emotional responses and they will not let up causes the Ss to snap and thus are punished because the adult provoked them further. Give Ss space and time to calm themselves. #edugladiators
Thank you @iamvlewis for pushing our thinking this morning! Be sure to follow those you "liked" or replied to on their comments! Grow your PLN!
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Hadn't made connection before, but I also coach Ultimate Frisbee, and part of the rules re: Spirit of the Game expresses ethos that echoes ideals espoused in your tweet: https://t.co/tDQCEI3upn#edugladiators
I know, from reading my counsellor spouses' professional lit, that some schools are providing family therapist services in the school building. Would make an incredible health difference. #edugladiators
We should avoid removing a student from school whenever possible.. Missing school can have huge impact on learning progressions, dropout rates + the school-to-prison pipeline. I'm happy to see more restorative practice, but I hope we're living up to its promise. #EduGladiators
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A3 I've never found detentions or ISS to be effective (same kids keep returning to detention hall). Much better to have student reflect on behavior, take responsibility, & find ways to make amends. When we work with Ss this way they actually make positive changes.
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Makes me think of societal expectations as a whole. My son & I often discuss how teenagers -CHILDREN- are characterized in media when victim or suspect of crime. Victim = child Suspect=adult How many times have we read 17 or 18 yo man accused of ___? #edugladiators
Absolutely it can be very challenging to get everyone rowing in the same direction but if the alternative is the school to prison pipeline that so many of us have watched, it is well worth our time. #EduGladiators
A4: 90+% of our students respond to school relationships and consequences when it comes to shaping behavior. For the remainder, we have a team that considers a variety of more intensive responses including counseling, alternative placement, or DJJ. #EduGladiators
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A3. After 26 yrs as a principal I believe we spend far too much time being reactive to students' behavior when spending at least the same amount of time being proactive could greatly reduce OSS/ISS #EduGladiators
A3: OSS and disciplinary hearings should have counseling attached. How will we get to the root of the problem or prevent future occurrences? Unfortunately in order for this to happen we need to increase trained counselors. #EduGladiators
A4: It could be as simple as a phone call home after school to communicate that tomorrow will be a fresh start and a check in the next day welcoming a student back to school. #EduGladiators
Yes - Agree Meredith .. like with good health practice - in our work with children, prevention is a far better use of time and resources than intervention #EduGladiators
A4: Self regulation is a highly sought after skill by employers now, so ANY & ALL help we can give Ss at ALL levels benefits them. My D has a grant to pay for a part time licensed counselor who helps Ts with #SEL and sees Ss for therapy free of charge at school. #edugladiators
You guys gave me trigger fingers things morning on this chat. I have to go back and see all the brilliance that flew past me! Thanks for joining #EduGladiators this morning. Keep the commentary coming if you'd like.
Many, many thanks @mgrosstaylor for selecting this informative topic. We still have a long way to go in being proactive to student behavior rather than reactive. Ah, but these harmful rules didn't begin just yesterday. #EduGladiators
A4 we are starting an outside counseling service within our school. They use our facility to meet with students and families. Going to be a great program! #EduGladiators
ISS/OSS/Hearings - None of them are good options. For a few extreme situations, they may be called for, grudgingly. How can we educate Ss if they're not in class. At a loss as to alternatives. #edugladiators
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A4: the conversations first of all can’t be short. So many discipline conversations take way too little time and the consequence is handed without the behavior being addressed. That simply serves to show the student they a a burden, something may already believe. #EduGladiators
Being proactive and addressing poor decisions is key. Along those lines, I had an awesome conversation with @coopitz (Courtney Kampwerth) about the benefits of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. She also talks about available free resources. https://t.co/0M2NnwRTz0#EduGladiators
Bruce Hunter of @CHARACTERplus reminds us that we, as adults, need to remember that we’re the adult in each situation and to not escalate the incident. #EduGladiators
A1) For some reason, there’s this notion that “fun stops” and “playtime is over” when kids transition to middle school. It’s time to “get serious”. However, what I’ve seen is we Ts get more strict in MS than serious #edugladiators
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I run @Skyline_WC, a peer writing center that provides literacy support in our school + community to close achievement gaps. Students build relationships, confidence + skills as a result of our services. I've gotten an awesome state grant to expand the practice. #EduGladiators
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A4: Self regulation is a highly sought after skill by employers now, so ANY & ALL help we can give Ss at ALL levels benefits them. My D has a grant to pay for a part time licensed counselor who helps Ts with #SEL and sees Ss for therapy free of charge at school. #edugladiators
We should avoid removing a student from school whenever possible.. Missing school can have huge impact on learning progressions, dropout rates + the school-to-prison pipeline. I'm happy to see more restorative practice, but I hope we're living up to its promise. #EduGladiators
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Thanks, #edugladiators & @iamvlewis, for chat that feels like absolute opposite of being suspended. Dialogue, reflection & conversation often reveal ways forward; their alternatives (silence, close-mindedness) feel like they shut doors, stifle progress.
I noticed this with my own two middle schoolers. And sadly they don't really like most teachers they have:(
Truth is they learn more from the ones they like & respect.
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A1) For some reason, there’s this notion that “fun stops” and “playtime is over” when kids transition to middle school. It’s time to “get serious”. However, what I’ve seen is we Ts get more strict in MS than serious #edugladiators
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Yes - Agree Meredith .. like with good health practice - in our work with children, prevention is a far better use of time and resources than intervention #EduGladiators
This is amazing. Self/co-reg education for teachers and students is hugely important (I not only think of the questions “why this kid? Why now?, but why this teacher? Why now?” ) #edugladiators
Yes! A PHONECALL! It’s too easy to type our feelings into an email and hit send without consideration of how it will be received. The sound of an authentically concerned voice can be awfully powerful. #EduGladiators
Happy that it is finally being done. We started the year with the new licensed school counselor (diff from guidance counselor), had trauma informed schools training, and I'll be training the staff on #SEL specific strategies soon. #edugladiators
Absolutely! We can't say that learning time is sacred on one hand + turn around and put students in ISS, especially for minor infractions, on the other hand. ISS becomes too easy to use + the go-to discipline mechanism. We don't have ISS at my school + I'm glad. #EduGladiators
Q4. (A) I think when Ss are removed from class (oss/ISS) there has to be some type of “re-integration” process when they return to re-establish the S/T relationship. Alternative behaviors must be discussed or nothing has changed & the problem will occur again. #edugladiators
Absolutely agree being proactive is an important step in helping others know they matter. Being proactive also involves ensuring when poor choices are made, learning occurs and strategies are developed to avoid that poor choice in the future. #EduGladiators
A3. After 26 yrs as a principal I believe we spend far too much time being reactive to students' behavior when spending at least the same amount of time being proactive could greatly reduce OSS/ISS #EduGladiators
Thanks, #edugladiators & @iamvlewis, for chat that feels like absolute opposite of being suspended. Dialogue, reflection & conversation often reveal ways forward; their alternatives (silence, close-mindedness) feel like they shut doors, stifle progress.
A1) We think older students should not be treated like “babies” - that they need to be responsible and get “tough love”. What older Ss need is someone to be empathetic and sympathetic and teach them the consequences of personal choices - good and bad #edugladiators
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A4: It could be as simple as a phone call home after school to communicate that tomorrow will be a fresh start and a check in the next day welcoming a student back to school. #EduGladiators
As MS T, this makes me sad. But I think you are right. Possible reasons: content over relationships, high-stakes testing, higher levels of anxiety to name a few. #EduGladiators
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A2: Not exhibiting or modeling the very standards we expect our students to follow. They witness the double standard, and the base crumbles.#EduGladiators
We will be using Pacer. It's free and has curriculum and enough support that our school licensed counselor chose it. :) #edugladiatorshttps://t.co/4biRlj81oP
It's really amazing how far such a simple practice can go! Sharing vulnerability with students is so huge in terms of creating a humanized space where students feel valid + valued. It creates strength + abundance, not weakness + scarcity. #EduGladiators
Q4. (B) to help Ss succeed out of school, educators must have a”future” mind set with the intent of preparing Ss for life with their actions. Too many times I feel we as educators do things just to get Ss through the day which cannot be replicated in life. #edugladiators
So true. Once that amygdala is activated, it’s going to take some time to get rational. Our first goal is to always calm everyone down. Talk softy and remove from the scene.
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A2) Just watch many Ts’ attitudes and behaviors in a staff development. They’re on their devices, doing other work (grading), talking under the presenter as they present, off-task, talking back to the presenter, not wanting to be there. Sounds like Ss? #edugladiators
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A3. For serious violations involving safety or persistent disruptions of the learning environment. Also disrespectful behaviors. In general, 1st is establishing a relationship with all Ss. Estab clear expectations as well. Specifically warnings when possible. #EduGladiator
A3. Ts with self-efficacy have an easier time motivating Ss & enhancing their cognitive development. And, these Ts are more willing to experiment with new ideas/techniques. Low efficacious Ts rely on a controlling teaching style & are more critical of students. #edugladiators
A2) We teach the way we were taught more often than not. We show and tell the kids what we know. We need to teach the way Ss need us to teach and we need the Ss to show and tell what they learned #edugladiators
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Makes me think of societal expectations as a whole. My son & I often discuss how teenagers -CHILDREN- are characterized in media when victim or suspect of crime. Victim = child Suspect=adult How many times have we read 17 or 18 yo man accused of ___? #edugladiators
When they come with requests I attempt to act quickly. I include them on decisions from testing to picture schedule. I get in their rooms in the mornings and afternoons just to check in. I care. So I hope that seems evident.
Also, I praise often. Words have power #edugladiators
We need to have time to talk about character traits and what they mean. #makekindnessnormal How does traits look like? #EDUgladiators They are essential for building a trustworthy community.
A3) I always preferred ISS over OSS. With OSS, you’re giving them a day off. Most Ss will be sitting at home playing video games or doing nothing. It’s not a consequence. OSS should be a last resort or option when it comes to campus safety. #edugladiators
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A4 Using words like choose, decide, and pick when speaking to Power kids goes a long way in making them realize they have choice with their behavior.
.. Why did you decide to...make a different choice! #chuckmoran#EduGladiators
This is why admin would be wise to try to figure out how to let their teachers work in their strengths. Instead, teachers are often given assignments that don't really fit them well in the name of fairness #Edugladiators
Restorative Practices help to reach our frequent flyers in many instances. ISS shouldn't become routine. It makes them immune to our "corrective" plan. #EduGladiators
A3 I've never found detentions or ISS to be effective (same kids keep returning to detention hall). Much better to have student reflect on behavior, take responsibility, & find ways to make amends. When we work with Ss this way they actually make positive changes.
#edugladiators
A3: Suspensions, in or out, need to be used when other efforts to communicate expectations, provide time for reflection and feedback, and despite the coordinated efforts of teachers, parents, & admin, the disruptive or dangerous behavior continues.#EduGladiators
This would be great and a valuable service. I find that the socioeconomic status has nothing to do with the mental repairs needed in the homes of the families we serve. No difference noted. #EduGladiators
I know, from reading my counsellor spouses' professional lit, that some schools are providing family therapist services in the school building. Would make an incredible health difference. #edugladiators
A4 In most cases students just want to be heard- so listen to them! Often times, their concerns revolve around issues with respect or fairness. I spend a lot of time talking to students abt how they can talk to their T's about these topics (in a prosocial way). #EduGladiators
We cannot get stuck with the same consequences or conversations when we see they are not effective. We need to design new responses when necessary! #edugladiators
A4: I think letting student know that it is expected that they have learned something from the experience, but that there are no grudges or damage to the relationship between the student and teacher/admin/etc. It’s important to provide reassurance.#EduGladiators
A4: Having a steady mentor, who is a staff member in the building, that the student chooses. Then the student checks in and checks out with them each day, focusing on goals set by the student #EduGladiators
