#MASSPchat Archive
Chats will be moderated by MASSP staff, members of the MASSP Board of Directors and MASSP Members – we will also have special guest moderators on occasion.
Monday February 8, 2016
Dan Giddings Lead Teacher Ypsilanti, MI
Hello! Steve Carlson, Principal at Sandusky Jr/Sr High School
Hi Steve- Always good to have our Board members on the chat! https://t.co/3penlgIV6F
Hello! Steve Carlson, Principal at Sandusky Jr/Sr High School
Hello! I am Todd, Principal of the best middle school in San Antonio. -
Todd Barraco, principal Merrill HS. Will stay long as can. At BB tonight. Lol
Carl, MS principal from Traverse City
Hello everyone! Tammy Jackson- East Jordan. Glad to be tweeting with you tonight!
Andy Kowalczyk from Bay City Central
Hello Todd- Great to have a friend from Texas join us! https://t.co/y4t1bSXNGI
Hello! I am Todd, Principal of the best middle school in San Antonio. -
Scott Pfeiffer, MS/HS Principal at Countryside Academy in Benton Harbor. Looking forward to tonight's chat!
- glad to be here and learning with everyone up North!
Hello Andy- Great to have another Board member join in! https://t.co/9oZPtr8yWX
Andy Kowalczyk from Bay City Central
Todd Barraco, principal Merrill HS. Will stay long as can. At BB tonight. Lol
Todd Barraco, principal Merrill HS. Will stay long as can. At BB tonight. Lol
Madame President- Always excellent to have you share your wisdom. https://t.co/Nli1j06bWM
Hello everyone! Tammy Jackson- East Jordan. Glad to be tweeting with you tonight!
Colin Ripmaster from checking in from Kalamazoo where the snow decided to return.
Hi Todd- Multi-tasking is good. I hope the kids play well. https://t.co/2SyNTrLhGh
Todd Barraco, principal Merrill HS. Will stay long as can. At BB tonight. Lol
Hi Scott- Welcome! https://t.co/1iEWx9YQy1
Scott Pfeiffer, MS/HS Principal at Countryside Academy in Benton Harbor. Looking forward to tonight's chat!
IB Coordinator at Washtenaw International HS too
No kidding! Nothing here. Always happy to have you share your thoughts with us! https://t.co/WZ8mMFwvz9
Colin Ripmaster from checking in from Kalamazoo where the snow decided to return.
Hello from Clarenceville in Livonia, MI
OK Everyone, we will use the Q1: and A1: format to keep the chat organized. Please feel free to respond to each other as well.
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lucky you Colin. Haven't had a snow day yet. I need one
If you are out there following the chat, just check in and let us know you're out there!
Q1: How do you find balance between management and leadership in your job? Do you favor one over the other?
Checking in. Scott Panozzo, AP Mona Shores MS
Alex, Ed Admin grad student . Dearborn music educator.
Checking in while making dinner (late night 😁) ... Tracy Wilson, Grand Haven HS Principal
A1: learn to delegate-it's not passing buck but building capacity. Lead by example daily. Walk the walk. https://t.co/FtpW3zEYLC
Q1: How do you find balance between management and leadership in your job? Do you favor one over the other?
Hi Alex! Nice to have you checking in. https://t.co/RTOIFEJDeO
Alex, Ed Admin grad student . Dearborn music educator.
A1- MTSS. Great teachers who buy into and own culture allows for more leading!
A1: Need to have a good balance. Need to be able to distribute leadership & provide leadership opportunities while modelling
Hello Madame President Elect- doing that balancing act tonight. Good for you! https://t.co/6htjjimGhE
Checking in while making dinner (late night 😁) ... Tracy Wilson, Grand Haven HS Principal
Ken Wright - Assistant Principal at Grand Ledge High School
A1 I try to schedule as much management for before & after school, so that I can focus on leadership when Ss & Ts are present.
A1- Management tasks are constantly there and I need to take time to plan leadership tasks.
A1:
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Hard to find balance but in the end Leadership must prevail. Good leadership will get you through tough mang. Issues
Agreed! Need to get out and show everyone what you are suggesting or discussing.
Hi Ken- Awesome to have you join us. https://t.co/dOOgbbc4ay
Ken Wright - Assistant Principal at Grand Ledge High School
A1: Management is constant I feel. Day2day & hour2hour. So I try 2 intentionally find ways to lead daily https://t.co/twxrwWSKZo
Q1: How do you find balance between management and leadership in your job? Do you favor one over the other?
A1: always make kids my priority...everything else can wait.
Great point. Easier to find that balance when less management is needed. https://t.co/35NuxEEkwg
A1- MTSS. Great teachers who buy into and own culture allows for more leading!
BAM! https://t.co/9Z8NclYrsT
A1: Need to have a good balance. Need to be able to distribute leadership & provide leadership opportunities while modelling
A1: I sincerely favor leadership but I find myself doing a lot of managing - I need to keep growing
Such a great point.The management side is always there and it will take all your time if you allow it to. https://t.co/6dxN8AYzOt
A1: Management is constant I feel. Day2day & hour2hour. So I try 2 intentionally find ways to lead daily https://t.co/twxrwWSKZo
Q1: How do you find balance between management and leadership in your job? Do you favor one over the other?
A1 The most effective leaders build a climate of shared leadership. Managing is easier yet less effective.
Leadership requires more skill as well. https://t.co/Z61NrrRoMO
A1- Management tasks are constantly there and I need to take time to plan leadership tasks.
A1: That is a challenging question and one that requires daily balance ... You must be able to do both.
A1 I agree Todd, I favor leadership. Like what Colin said try to do it before and after school. https://t.co/Logto0qzi1
A1: I sincerely favor leadership but I find myself doing a lot of managing - I need to keep growing
The more you share your leadership & develop others the less you'll need to manage. https://t.co/GTZn4G9aNW
A1: I sincerely favor leadership but I find myself doing a lot of managing - I need to keep growing
Still need to make sure not to do EVERYTHING after school or you lose balance of family life. Always hard...
So true! BAM! https://t.co/yUxQi6nmST
A1: That is a challenging question and one that requires daily balance ... You must be able to do both.
Great share! https://t.co/R2JNwo4WeI
A1 The most effective leaders build a climate of shared leadership. Managing is easier yet less effective.
A1: Requires you focus on the leadership during student-staff hours & management before & after hours.
A1- also, a great leadership team with a common vision helps to alleviate lots if management
When everything is important - nothing is!
Leadership requires giving up control of some stuff...
Q2: Paraphrasing Drucker: "Admins do things right. Leaders do the right things." Explain what that means for you in your role.
Yup! Need to keep the work/family balance in check, too. Burnout rate is too high in our profession. https://t.co/6IRhv2OuoH
Still need to make sure not to do EVERYTHING after school or you lose balance of family life. Always hard...
Yes!! Can't do it alone on the admin team. https://t.co/UsjTOIZvbw
A1- also, a great leadership team with a common vision helps to alleviate lots if management
Good evening all! Representing Grayling High School from sunny Florida! Sorry for the late join just had a fish fry!
Q2: "the time is always right to do what is right!" Martin Luther King Jr. https://t.co/bglJYeCDbQ
Q2: Paraphrasing Drucker: "Admins do things right. Leaders do the right things." Explain what that means for you in your role.
Really?! https://t.co/0lRYgfELcG
Good evening all! Representing Grayling High School from sunny Florida! Sorry for the late join just had a fish fry!
A2- do what you say you are going to do but be open to feedback. Growth mindset
Rockford High School checking in. Board Meeting in progress so probably just watching other's tonight
A2: means doing right thing even when the easier path is available. Can't let principles be compromised https://t.co/XuDLaOIHKN
Q2: Paraphrasing Drucker: "Admins do things right. Leaders do the right things." Explain what that means for you in your role.
A2 Its a guild of self-discipline and keeping student success # 1.Staying focused and about what is right https://t.co/NEZN0T7yOq
Q2: Paraphrasing Drucker: "Admins do things right. Leaders do the right things." Explain what that means for you in your role.
A2: looking past popular opinion to do the right thing for my kids
A2: Trying to do the right thing but understanding if mistakes are made, you can model how to reflect and learn from mistakes
Thanks for the check in! https://t.co/D6ScYYwfkf
Rockford High School checking in. Board Meeting in progress so probably just watching other's tonight
A2- administrators are not mandated to know every students name or to sit and talk with teachers but leaders do
Need to keep the focus on what is best for kids, not what is convenient for the adults. https://t.co/HhxmhtvTxk
A2: looking past popular opinion to do the right thing for my kids
BAM! https://t.co/GiDp04NJEI
A2- administrators are not mandated to know every students name or to sit and talk with teachers but leaders do
Feedback is huge. Need this for students and staff. https://t.co/A0OMTEM0UE
A2- do what you say you are going to do but be open to feedback. Growth mindset
A2 There is a difference between "efficient" and "effective". We could all sit in our office and answer questions all day!
YES! Admitting mistakes and modeling growth is crucial to leadership. Really shows authenticity https://t.co/wAPVBBy2sZ
A2: Trying to do the right thing but understanding if mistakes are made, you can model how to reflect and learn from mistakes
Andy that's my goal with every kid. I interview every HS student even if it takes me all year. https://t.co/Me6AT0Tn0R
A2- administrators are not mandated to know every students name or to sit and talk with teachers but leaders do
Q3: On this subject, J. Kotter concluded- mgt is about coping w/complexity while ldership is about coping w/change. Do you agree?
A2: Doing what is right is not always easy!
Great goal, starting with the seniors right now and working from there.
But it always feels great in the end.
A2: Challenge the status quo, if it is in the best interest of the student, even if goes against the way we have always done it.
So true Colin! https://t.co/1KTGNAfzvX
A1 I try to schedule as much management for before & after school, so that I can focus on leadership when Ss & Ts are present.
A3: Couldn't agree more! Seems like change and complexity go hand in hand though!
A3. Hmmm...I think leadership is a bit of each as sometimes change is complex
Love that! https://t.co/tOxXzSI45F
A2: Challenge the status quo, if it is in the best interest of the student, even if goes against the way we have always done it.
A3- yes! I've heard other admins also call it grow or go.
A3: I think they are connected. Great leaders understand the complexity of change!
A3: I think I see Kotter's pt, but sometimes I think the change is "complex", too, lol! https://t.co/Qhi2B8O14W
Q3: On this subject, J. Kotter concluded- mgt is about coping w/complexity while ldership is about coping w/change. Do you agree?
Checking in. Lance Sumpter; AP at Beecher High in Flint, MI
Hello Lance- Great Board participation tonight. https://t.co/8YDAQKg8T3
Checking in. Lance Sumpter; AP at Beecher High in Flint, MI
A3 It seems that management is about coping with change but leadership is embracing change.
A3: Leadership is creating the change while dealing with the complexity of those not willing to change for the better.
I guess I should have "checked in" Special Education Administrator, Ann Arbor
BAM! Nailed it. https://t.co/pb89jbpjwr
A3 It seems that management is about coping with change but leadership is embracing change.
A3 It takes a particular kind of leadership to grow people. Manage complexity to make needed change possible.
A3- In order to grow the district, you have to embrace change as if it is no big deal.
Like this answer.Embracing change and also standing up for what is right. Not always t/ popular decision https://t.co/UQejXYIwGG
A3 It seems that management is about coping with change but leadership is embracing change.
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TOPIC: "The Love of Leadership"
Leaders pave the way so that if feels easy for people to follow. https://t.co/bLVHodD1MJ
A3- In order to grow the district, you have to embrace change as if it is no big deal.
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PRINCIPALS: Join this Thursday (Feb 11) at 8pm EST.
TOPIC: "The Love of Leadership"
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
Everything in moderation. manager your systems and always be looking on how to make your systems better. That may take change.
Agreed perfect example to get people moving in your direction https://t.co/v7sY4iRoXv
Leaders pave the way so that if feels easy for people to follow. https://t.co/bLVHodD1MJ
A3- In order to grow the district, you have to embrace change as if it is no big deal.
A3: It is important to keep focused on one's mission and what we hire people to do, as well. https://t.co/yE8n7h4JJU
A4 Does it come with experience and learning what truly is a management priority?
A4: Someone said it earlier but students & specifically student safety always comes 1st. Everything else can be discussed w/ team
Yes Sensei- I do think that prioritizing definitely becomes easier with experience. https://t.co/T89l9jUkwh
A4 Does it come with experience and learning what truly is a management priority?
I do believe it comes with experience. For me, learning patience in a whole new light was great and worth more.
A4: Anything w/ upset stakeholder rises 2 top. May not make happy but need to know I care. Relationships https://t.co/VFEEv34mF3
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
Looking forward to having that experience! :)
A4: I start with the end in mind...what impact will this have.
Exp is critical to success & failure. Need to help people know what is important & what isn't. Wisdom of mentors!
That sends the message- "If its important to you, its important to me." https://t.co/i2uDzmmP7D
A4: Anything w/ upset stakeholder rises 2 top. May not make happy but need to know I care. Relationships https://t.co/VFEEv34mF3
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
. a young admin I would often get annoyed at people telling me I needed experience...I get it now
A4: 1 way I identify those management task is by looking to fix enabling task that cause systemic issues https://t.co/HifGZzCq24
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
A4- do I need to keep this off my boss' desk? 😉
So true! Crucial to have critical friends to help shape your thinking & decision making. https://t.co/w3wecfNhgF
Exp is critical to success & failure. Need to help people know what is important & what isn't. Wisdom of mentors!
Know what's going on. You don't have to be in charge but you have to be in the know. Be proactive https://t.co/JVN9f0IwoL
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
Nice! BAM for you! https://t.co/NNLEpgKel6
A4: 1 way I identify those management task is by looking to fix enabling task that cause systemic issues https://t.co/HifGZzCq24
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
So true! I was told- "listen more, talk less" - sage advice. https://t.co/ztLls30QOO
. a young admin I would often get annoyed at people telling me I needed experience...I get it now
Q5: What types of "management" tasks often take up your time when they could be delegated?
A4: Student Safety is about the only task that should rise to the top & need immediate attention. https://t.co/MhalQ8dQws
Q4: How do you identify those "management" tasks that need to rise to the top of the priority list to avoid bigger issues?
A5: Mail...you can spend an hour just opening mail. Key to have secretary open & sort.
A4 Just like classroom clarity of purpose, system, routines, etc. Allow you to focus on engaging people. https://t.co/gWMrlPcLGi
A5: Paper work after discipline! Seems like 1 incident can take all day! Scheduling too but lose the relationship building
A5 Looking back, I should have asked my APs/Secretaries what I needed to delegate:)
A5: Discipline tasks. Feel like I won't be in the loop if I delegate
A5- MSTEP schedules and testing
You don't know, what you don't know...I didn't get it until I had children of my own ;-)
ask staff. They would say I delegate EVERYTHING! :-) surround yourself with great people. I ❤️GHS peeps https://t.co/NEtJEX5rp7
Q5: What types of "management" tasks often take up your time when they could be delegated?
A3: leadership is definitely the navigation of change!
A5: I can think of more tasks I'd love to delegate, finding someone else with time can be tough, tho. https://t.co/dUES56GmMU
Q5: What types of "management" tasks often take up your time when they could be delegated?
A4. If the task doesn't involve relationships with students, parents or staff somebody else can do it. Now to practice this!
Helps to have a 5 min mtg w/secretary at the start & end of the day. https://t.co/R5BkjvBlYQ
A5 Looking back, I should have asked my APs/Secretaries what I needed to delegate:)
Tough to do that and maintain teacher balance. Try to keep a lot of busy work off their plate if possible.
A high level discipline incident becomes a management issue for days/weeks, esp if it goes to supt/board https://t.co/xTBEwkdS6H
A5: Paper work after discipline! Seems like 1 incident can take all day! Scheduling too but lose the relationship building
Our leader speaks! https://t.co/wemk9KGkh4
A4. If the task doesn't involve relationships with students, parents or staff somebody else can do it. Now to practice this!
. We certainly don't thrive in this life on our own - so many people, with so many gifts to help:)
A5:Delegate towards the strengths of your team!
Valid point...can't always go to the same "go-tos"! https://t.co/d1AOt5yXZ3
A5: I can think of more tasks I'd love to delegate, finding someone else with time can be tough, tho. https://t.co/dUES56GmMU
Q5: What types of "management" tasks often take up your time when they could be delegated?
Yes!!! Always good to check in as they are the eyes and ears of what is going on in the hallways. Janitors too!
Ugh... yes. Thankfully haven't gone that far yet.
Q6: Even the best leaders run into a "just tell me what to do and I will do it" https://t.co/ufyHGUEQlJ do u lead these people?
A5
Delegation is important for time management and to give others experience- Used to do subs- no more
A6- relationships. Tap into something they really love and then let them go!
A6: Explain the problem & ask that person for possible solutions. Need to have ownership & investment.
A6: Make sure to show how you value their opinion. They need to see your willingness to listen and use their strengths.
A6: First establish the WHY and allow everyone to connect a purpose to their day to day tasks!
Always comes back to that doesn't it? https://t.co/lAq3HBIGLz
A6- relationships. Tap into something they really love and then let them go!
A5: Ahhh ... in year 5, still trying to figure that out ... getting better each day. https://t.co/61Gere7gKu
Q5: What types of "management" tasks often take up your time when they could be delegated?
A5
I agree- I like to be the appeal person- daily discipline can quickly take away from instuction
A6- I have brought these people in to talk about a new task prior to a staff meeting. Chance for input prior to meeting helps.
A6: find their area of passion and tie it into the vision and mission of the school... Find a way
BAM! If they feel valued they will provide that input & feedback. https://t.co/HekPNXBAK7
A6: Make sure to show how you value their opinion. They need to see your willingness to listen and use their strengths.
really Over Time. Come on
More Admin 101 folks! The art of the pre-meeting meeting. https://t.co/6qM1R6F0Na
A6- I have brought these people in to talk about a new task prior to a staff meeting. Chance for input prior to meeting helps.
BAM! Very wise. https://t.co/QYOFACZsuj
A6: find their area of passion and tie it into the vision and mission of the school... Find a way
A5 I agree allowing others to do what they are best skilled for makes a stronger team!
Thanks for jumping in with a great share AJ! https://t.co/0dwd2rNTi1
A6: First establish the WHY and allow everyone to connect a purpose to their day to day tasks!
A6: leave no doubt as 2 your vision & purpose. If they only seek compliance, they at least know it "why" https://t.co/hV0Dpm4xoG
Q6: Even the best leaders run into a "just tell me what to do and I will do it" https://t.co/ufyHGUEQlJ do u lead these people?
some people work better that way. Know your staff. Some want a voice some just want to trust in yours. https://t.co/uwdyp95vrB
Q6: Even the best leaders run into a "just tell me what to do and I will do it" https://t.co/ufyHGUEQlJ do u lead these people?
