#ElemMathChat Archive

Elementary math chat is a weekly math chat where participants come to discuss best practices, examine student work, explore routines for reasoning and research that guides and supports pedagogy centered on problem and student based learning.

Thursday February 15, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:01 PM EST
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Dave from Middletown NY, a multitasking data collecting child rearing game playing 4th grade teacher and dad. #elemmathchat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A0 Molly from Mass. K-5 Math Coach Fav Valentine's Moment: eating dinner with my fam last night #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:02 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Hi! Margie from PA Math Coach Love seeing the smiles on kids faces when they receive a Valentine. So nice to feel loved!
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
    A): Heidi from Ontario. Grade 6 Teacher. Fav moment was when one of my Ss asked if we were having a 'party', and the rest of my class answered for me. "uh, no. Have you met Mrs. Allum?" #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • ShaneFerguson02 Feb 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Shane from ohio 7th grade math teacher Glad to be here! #ElemMathChat
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Matt from the Chicago suburbs, K-6th math. Looking forward to #elemmathchat
  • MissMath_Teach Feb 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Lori from Missouri, K-5 math interventionist. Got a valentine with a ruler in it yesterday from a former student #ElemMathChat
  • MrElmerLLC Feb 15 @ 9:04 PM EST
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  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Ann Elise, Math Specialist in NH working with grade 3-5 Ss this year. All the years my children were growing up and we'd have pink milk and mashed potatoes. #elemmathchat
  • Miss_Lievens Feb 15 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi! I’m Abbi... K-6 reading interventionist from Davenport, Ia. My favorite valentines moment was that a teacher left school early so I got to teach some valentines math💕 #ElemMathChat
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:04 PM EST
    I can go and on, I'm a personalized learning, facilitating, late night parent calling, Hoopla Loving educator. #elemmathchat
  • RozlynnDance Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hello everyone, my name is Rozlynn Dance and I teach first grade in Federal Way, WA. Favorite Valentine's moment was the kindness circle my students participated in yesterday. 😍 #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Tessa, K-6 Instructional Coach in Shoreline, WA. I always loved the the piles of Valentines and treat I got from my students. Certainly miss it now that I'm out of the classroom! #elemmathchat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
    I also enjoyed the heart-themed estimation contests we had this week at school #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • MissMath_Teach Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
    I think all kids should start giving mathematical valentines #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:05 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Can't help but think of the families from Florida tonight who lost loved ones.Out thoughts and prayers go out to everyone
  • judyjaisle Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Judy, 5th grade math, North Texas, favorite Valentine moment - small group of 5th grade bro’s backed up their buddy as he delivered a teddy bear to his Valentine in the class next door. There was cheering!
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A0 Amy from Independence, MO K teacher. Fav Valentine moment was the one I found out I had won a wedding! #elemmathchat
  • RozlynnDance Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1 Any information collected through student work, discussion, and assessment that guides your instruction. #ElemMathChat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1: I would say almost anything a S does, says, or creates. Data can be anything a teacher decides is worthy of collecting and analyzing. #elemmathchat (I feel like that answer is cheating a bit? Too open?)
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1 Classroom data is all the information collected from and with kids that helps teachers/students know where they're at and where they need to go next. #ElemmathChat
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1: Data is any info gleaned from formative or summative assessments. Allows me to prepare an instructional response. #elemmathchat
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 Quarterlies, NWEAMaps, TenMarks, IXL, Matific, Google Classroom task giving, problem of the day evaluating, sit back and observing anectodtal note taking datapaloozafrenzy in room244 #elemmathchat
  • Miss_Lievens Feb 15 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: I think data can be defined as anything you use to help you gauge where your Ss are in their learning. Data should let you know where to go next. #ElemMathChat
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 Depends on the audience. Data can be informal, such as a student observation. Or, it can be perceived as a numerical value on an assessment. Both have the potential to impact instruction. #elemmathchat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 Data is information so Ts can support students - what their next steps are, what questions to pose to continue learning more. #elemmathchat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 A) Also, I think the data a teacher 'collects' should be meant to drive instruction and student learning forward; it's 'collected' for a purpose. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:10 PM EST
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Like the wording of "preparing for an instructional response.” Data (as long as it’s readily available) can help educators make more informed decisions that impact students. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @AnnEliseRecord
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1 Data is all of the things I observe, conversations I hear, and info I collect on my Ss. Basically anything we do becomes my data #elemmathchat
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A1 Collecting information from our students in a way that will guide our further instruction and allow us to better serve them. It can be eavesdropping, observing, tests, interviews, exit tickets, projects, journals. etc. It is a scrapbook and not just a snapshot
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A2) I think I kind of touched on that -- the data should move your instruction and student learning forward. The hard part is deciding what data is going to lead to the best next steps. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Hi #ElemMathChat friends! Melynee in Claremore, Ok sliding in late from PT conferences
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2 observing and having conversations about learning drives my instruction much more than multiple choice or digital assessments. #elemmathchat
  • Miss_Lievens Feb 15 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2: To me, it means that data collected is always updated, changing, and tells you how Ss are doing w/ a concept. From that you can make informed decisions about moving forward, reteaching, or trying a different approach. #ElemMathChat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1 the data I use most in the classroom are the notes I take while interacting with students during partner work time and whole group discussion. I also use benchmarks #ElemMathChat
  • RozlynnDance Feb 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2 shows you what the kids know and helps you decide where to go/ what to teach next. #ElemMathChat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2 inform my instruction means I can be flexible with my planning to provide opportunities that are just right for students. #elemmathchat
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A2 Using what you learned today to fine-tune your instruction tomorrow.
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2 Not necessarily change the objective, but it may impact how it’s delivered. I might change the scaffolding or questioning based on the information gained. #elemmathchat
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Data is anything collected 2 provide evidence of student learning/achievement.It includes formative/summative assessment;however,we can’t discount the importance of attendance data,behavioral data, etc 2 help us determine root causes 4 achievement or lack there of. #ElemMathChat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2 B) Sometimes we can have too much data; or be 'data rich'. How do we filter through the data to find the most accurate data to our needs, and that most accurately represents the Ss thinking/process. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2 I use the data I collect during partner work time to scaffold the content during whole group discussion time. My benchmarks help me know where we all are and where we will be going #ElemMathChat
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2 Data informs instruction when it provides meaningful, targeted information about what students know and understand #elemmathchat
  • ADawnMericle1 Feb 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Data is an opportunity to reteach. Time is the enemy lol #elemmathchat
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
    They don't care more in Claremore than @MNmMath #elemmathchat haha hello my friend
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Hi Lybrya Oakland USD Math Coach A2:Using data (observations, formative/summative tests, assignments, etc.) to make instructional decisions
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A1:Data is anything collected to provide evidence of student achievement. It includes formative/summative assessment;however,we can’t discount the importance of attendance data,behavioral data, etc to help us determine root causes for achievement or lack there of. #ElemMathChat
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A2 informing my instruction means that I use my data along with the end goal in mind to plan each step of my instruction #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I have a file with some of the things in it. https://t.co/c0mQfj2ckT https://t.co/5q4QGtp3tR #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MP_Explorers, @MarkChubb3
  • judyjaisle Feb 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 #elemmathchat To inform instruction is to design lessons/interventions that are infused with information gleaned from summation and formative assessments.
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A1: Data is any info about Ss collected by the T to get a fuller picture of the population(s) we serve
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Hi Dave! So glad you are here! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @DCraig42
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Loving the conversation so far. Let’s go #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    They did! My students showed off what we did in class today and impressed parents! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    So happy to see you my friend #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Matt! I am happy to learn from you tonight #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty
  • CoachLaurenJ Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2 It means that an activity or an assessment allows me enough opportunity to observe and evaluate learning so that I know what to do next. #elemmathchat
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2: Makes me think of, “So what? now what?” Now that we have evidence, what are we going to do about it? How will this impact instruction? Make adjustments as a result of data; however, don’t lower expectations. What will we do differently to bridge the gap? #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Lori! Rockstar learning is ready set go #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MissMath_Teach
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Hello all, Katrina from Charlotte, NC. Hopping in a little late. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Happy to have you join us Ann #elemmathchat
    In reply to @AnnEliseRecord
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Yes, I cannot stop and wonder why/how/when will we actually do something to make this stop happening #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3 exhausting and so important to be Data mine ina timely way to be most effective. #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Interesting, common theme is Ss created here #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RozlynnDance
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3 I am seeing that the peeps of #ElemMathChat pretty much agree that data informed instruction has more to do with what we observe and info we collect than test scores. This is diff than message we get about data! #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Interesting perspective, what might an example look like? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Glad you are here! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A3. I see we all see data as varied, continuous and student-centered
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
    In this perspective is the data to provide feedback or for guidance #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Miss_Lievens
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Hmmm differentiate this response for me please #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @AnnEliseRecord
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A3: This is a tough question (thank you for making me think). I think my views are similar to those in this #elemmathchat. It's more about what we do with the data, and how we respond to our Ss learning. Data gives us a compass to help navigate our next steps.
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • MissMath_Teach Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2 It’s important to keep in mind that one data point does not fully describe a learner. We need multiple sources of input & multiple data points #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    So data is our daily teaching moves? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MrsArnote
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A3: Yeah...so pretty much all in the double area from what I can see. Very inspiring!!
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    So data is actionable then? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A3 I'm hearing a lot about what teachers do with data, but curious what others feel about how we use that data with the students to set goals and reflect. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    At the end of every school day I spend time reflecting on what we d accomplished where we struggled I then look at what I have planned for next day to make any needed adjustments. That is data driven instruction #ElemMathChat
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Yes, it is all about what we do with the data that makes a difference. #elemmathchat
    • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
      A3: This is a tough question (thank you for making me think). I think my views are similar to those in this #elemmathchat. It's more about what we do with the data, and how we respond to our Ss learning. Data gives us a compass to help navigate our next steps.
      In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    So data should be both actionable and limited by importance? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I often discuss assessments after the fact and it's a head scratcher how they can correct but it get it wrong to begin with. Often lack rigor and vigor to do their very best w challenging assessments #ElemMathChat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Yes! #GoogleClassroom is awesome for this. I can give feedback immediately. #elemmathchat. Timely is so important (but so tiring!).
    In reply to @DCraig42
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Super glad to have you Melynee #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    So it’s about learning about the craft? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DCraig42
  • Miss_Lievens Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3: Putting Ss needs first! Using observations, conversations, and projects/assignments to give feedback to Ss and decide where to go next #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    So the data that is useful is actionable and provides feedback? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    I think so. I learn a lot from daily questioning practices. Sometimes more than my formal assessments. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    My Ss use data daily to make decisions about what they will do during math workshop. Their data folders are always with them. They know their data and can explain what they are working on and why they are working on it. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    I agree - and thinking about what we do with the data, with whom we discuss/collaborate based on the data that likely varies a lot #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass, @mathkaveli
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
    I am not sure about limited; I think the reality of teaching sometimes is that we have so much data. I guess more what is going to give you the best information on whatever it is in that time you are focusing on. Does that make more sense? #elemmathchat.
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Margie, let’s pretend I’m your student teacher, what would you tell me about the “fine tuning” of the craft? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
    For example, using rubrics to help students understand what they're responsible for doing/learning, then using them as self-assessments to gauge how much they've learned and what they still need to work on #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
    So it’s the action part of pedagogy? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RawdingMolly
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Agreed! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    So using the data you collect in actionable format is informing our instruction #elemmathchat
    In reply to @LybryaKebreab
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A4 I collect the big ideas owned & the little ideas causing stumbles.I try to capture both in the moment and help students to capture them too. Help them own their education. If big misconcept I plan for intervention, but if we can mistake and grow Bring it on! #ElemMathChat
  • RozlynnDance Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A4 Math tasks need to be open-ended rather than closed response or recall in order to get a true understanding of what your kids know and understand. Creating rubrics and presenting these to your kiddos is huge too! #ElemMathChat
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    That's great! I think that reflection piece is so important for helping students take ownership of their learning #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A4: S thinking and math reasoning are the hardest to grade but give the most insight to Ts about the 1. S understanding and 2. the effectiveness of our instruction. I loathe grading though, so I've learned to gather that data in the moment and not wait until test.
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
    So this is a wide range, is this why one person said earlier that data is everything we do? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @EmilyAPaschall
  • judyjaisle Feb 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
    #elemmathchat To me, the most important elements are those which highlight student ability to analyze and reason, the student’s number sense, and the student’s ability to evaluate.
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Yes, otherwise it is a waste of life. HUGE pet peeve to waste my life! I got things to do here people! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Yes! I love hearing when our team is successful #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @pearse_margie
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Yes! Student ownership is key. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Katrina, you’re not late, you’re just in time welcome #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A4: In my role as Math Specialist working with all classrooms, I want actionable data on math fact fluency, word problem type structures, as well as conceptual understanding of stds. #elemmathchat
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Ts make decisions all the time. Using observations and formative checkpoints can be quickly used and is often readily available. I find this to be the most valuable; as opposed to data that gives results months later. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @AnnEliseRecord
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A4. Love to begin with strengths!
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3: An important piece of the puzzle in data driven instruction often left out in classrooms is keeping S’s informed of their own data so they can take ownership of their learning.This needs to take place on a daily basis. One goal per grading period isn’t enough. #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    In what ways is student data a compass? How might it guide us? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Yes! I think people minimize developing observational skills and focus too much on tests, though. No feedback more immediate than in the moment questioning (both assessing and advancing:) )#elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Who’s doing the questioning and the answering in this scenario? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MrsArnote
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A4 important to capture what is working and what is making sense for students - focus on strengths #elemmathchat
  • Miss_Lievens Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A5: I have LOVED using @Flipgrid, @Seesaw, and #google classroom to help me capture conversations. Not possible to hear them all! #ElemMathChat
  • DCraig42 Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Google Classroom makes assigning math tasks fun and amazing. Kids get their own personalized copies of tasks. #elemmathchat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A4: What Ss are doing and thinking now. To help Ss become aware of their own thinking, and how that thinking can move them forward, through a problem let's say. Listening to their talk in the moment as they work is the best to capture learning (when you can!). #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A4: It is most important to capture the strategies that students are using to answer questions. Diving into how students are thinking and the strategies that they are using is the most valuable data you can gain. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
    What might be some things to consider as you tease apart the range of solutions here? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RawdingMolly, @hallumclass
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Haha! "just in time" Hehe!!
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @katrina_cade
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A5 I have started using this organizer during partner work. I LOVE it! https://t.co/x3vg1iiEfw #ElemMathChat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Totally agree. Building from strengths is so important. Building relationships with Ss where they know you are looking out for them - to grow. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Powerful learning questions for instruction. And how might this become part of the routine of developing and fostering pedagogy? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Yes! I am always searching for ways to effectively capture in the moment data. Seriously need to just film constantly. And know when to jump in, and when to not. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @LybryaKebreab
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
    So realtime feedback that is both specific and actionable? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @AnnEliseRecord
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Yes, students should be tracking their own data daily. They should know what their strengths are and their areas of need. This will help them develop ownership of their own learning. #elemmathchat
    • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
      A3: An important piece of the puzzle in data driven instruction often left out in classrooms is keeping S’s informed of their own data so they can take ownership of their learning.This needs to take place on a daily basis. One goal per grading period isn’t enough. #ElemMathChat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Can we say that assessment is fluid and dynamic? Live? Our data is going to be that as well; depending on how that data was captured? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @RawdingMolly
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A4 Depends on the teacher. Those moments can be captured digitally, in a class conversation, through peer sharing. At times, the issue comes from the documentation piece. But it doesn’t have to be documented to be actionable. #elemmathchat
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A5: Continuously! Where a S lands in one concept does not necessarily predict where s/he will prosper in another. What's most important to me is that the data is varied and collected often to get a fuller pic of Ss' understandings.
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Do you have a user guide for these? I just got some chromebooks! I have added Flipgrid to my Google Classroom, but am still trying to figure out how to use it most effectively. #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Lievens, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Yes, whenever possible. #Elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @Mcoaty
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Do you collect data on which problem types students are able to solve? Interested in seeing what that looks like. I feel like Ts have some knowledge gaps around problem types, so it would be a long road to get that data #elemmathchat
    In reply to @AnnEliseRecord
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
    #elemmathchat What I don't want data informed instruction to mean
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
    How might this produce “data” and how might we utilize it for student learning? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DCraig42
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
    “Most of the world will make decisions by either guessing or using their gut. They will either be lucky or wrong.” — This is one of my most recent favorite quotes! Data MUST drive everything we do. #elemmathchat
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Yes, I want to continue collecting information about how and what Ss are learning... and being patient -- who knows when something will click for a S. Important to listen and learn #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass, @mathkaveli
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
    “Most of the world will make decisions by either guessing or using their gut. They will either be lucky or wrong.” — This is one of my most recent favorite quotes! Data MUST drive everything we do. #elemmathchat #mathchat
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
    It can direct our instruction, how we teach, and possibly what we need to teach. It can guide us to think outside of our comfort zone; finding other ways to teach, and therefore, assess. I am constantly asking "is this the best learning for this student now?" #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • RozlynnDance Feb 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A5 I feel I get the most useful data through one-on-one discussions with problem solving tasks. I wish I had the time to interview every kiddo daily. #ElemMathChat
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Yes, I have created assessments that allow us to see exactly which forms of the various types are a stumbling block for Ss. It has been our school goal for 2 years now. Worth the effort it takes! 5th gr now working on add/sub types with fractions. Powerful! #Elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Empowering students to be their own stewards of their learning...wow that seems like it might be very powerful indeed #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Definitely the best way to gather data. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RozlynnDance
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Powerful #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass, @RawdingMolly
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
    So true. How might we create more of those moments? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @AnnEliseRecord, @Mcoaty
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
    I fear that this is what most administrators think data driven instruction is. #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
    That sounds amazing! What kind of PD did you do to help teachers understand problem types more clearly? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @AnnEliseRecord
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Yes. Having 1:1 math conferences is a powerful strategy. Math journals can also play a role with this. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RozlynnDance
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
    So true. I am wondering how we make that a habit for a new T #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
    So if we collect info on everything, what might that do to the quality of the info or the time to be able to process it? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RawdingMolly, @hallumclass
  • MrsArnote Feb 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
    All of us! In K, it starts with a lot of modeling of both asking and answering, by now they are capable of digging deeper, questioning and leading discussions #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
    I use flip grid in a class I am taking. Can you embed a video into a document off of flip grid? I want to have Ss do so as an option for explain your thinking. I teach Ss w/disabilities this will remove so many barriers! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @hallumclass, @Miss_Lievens, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Oh wow. Great Q. How do you answer it and what evidence do you accept to justify your answer? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
    I am always trying to make my data their data, too. What is the point, really, if it isn't for them? I heard you say this; what were you thinking? What does this mean for you next when you are completing this task? I want them to own their own data. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
    I created a matching game of all the problem types for add/sub and mult/div and Ts would match them up and have to explain their reasoning. #Elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Being able to distinguish what type of data to collect within these small moments and how to use that is a skill. Being able to identify when these moments arise is important. Having the awareness is experienced through time and pd (if it’s available). #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @AnnEliseRecord
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A6: Your planned lesson plan should change daily based on the previous days lesson or an exit ticket. Ts need to be flexible with their plan in order to meet the needs of their Ss. Data that is collected should tell you what the next steps should be. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
    What might a 1-1 conference look like? How might a math journal be a facilitation in that process? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
    The processing piece is huge - especially when I'm taking anecdotal notes during a lesson. I'm working on making sure I revisit those notes with T to debrief. The convo is important. As a coach, I want to influence Ts to see that data is more than a number. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @hallumclass
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
    #GoogleClassroom - and give them instant feedback through this. I listen a lot; and write. I record and take photos/videos. @Flipgrid - so many options. Ss can choose how they share their learning. They ask for feedback from me all of the time! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @Flipgrid
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
    :( #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • AnnEliseRecord Feb 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Q6: If I see there is a concept that only a few Ss are struggling with, then I know to do a small group response, but if most of the Ss struggled then I know to discuss as a whole group or reevaluate the question. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Ann that’s awesome! I wonder how we might magnify this? I wonder is this idea would be viable in a different context? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84, @AnnEliseRecord
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
    The math journal could be a way for them to get their thoughts down on paper prior to the 1:1 conference. It could also help inform the teacher prior to the conference so that they can be better prepared to have the discussion. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A6: I will adjust my priorities/sequencing of learning goals and address needed scaffolds/enrichment while addressing grade-level standards IF possible. If not, may need mini-lesson to build foundation or be able to skip!
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Powerful, so we are asking Qs of ourselves and our peers with the purpose of learning. Incredible learning environment that would be #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MrsArnote
  • AssignmentHelpN Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    7 Effective Habits of Writing the Best College Application Essay https://t.co/EDtWOHuw0P #EduAfterHours #sstlap #isedchat #dentonchat #K12artchat #TBookC #Gueri11aEd #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    So modeling of a thought process to move forward to next steps #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A6 It depends on what the perfect set of data tells me. Do I need to go back w/ more conceptual experiences, can I step it up and challenge more, Do I need to spend more time on investigation? So many options #ElemMathChat
  • SEANJFAHEY Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Hi Melynee! I wrote a blog post to brainstorm using Flipgrid in Math https://t.co/xRgrrAEPqn #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @Miss_Lievens, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A6: *add choir singing GIF here* My gut action is guided groups - who needs more experience/learning more intensely. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    So so so true, how, what, and why we do with “data” is so important for moving craft forward? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @RawdingMolly, @hallumclass
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Definitely agree! It's varies - and for diff lessons, I'm looking for diff things. It's a #workinprogress for me to collect and analyze data with teachers in a way that is manageable and meaningful. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass, @mathkaveli
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:46 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A6: I might change my pacing, questions, delivery, choice of math tools, grouping decisions, etc
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:46 PM EST
    For example. students may use their math journal to review their assessments. They look at their performance on certain skills compared to the standards, reflect on strengths/areas to improve, set realistic goals and have teacher and students sign-off. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Thanks! I teach Ss with disabilities and I think it will be an awesome tool to implement UDL and remove barriers. I just got devices that are able to utilize! So excited for the possibilities! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @SEANJFAHEY, @Miss_Lievens, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • EmilyAPaschall Feb 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A6: We can’t only look through the lens of, “did they get it right or wrong?”We must provide the students a question that allows the teacher to analyze the student work, find the good news, &discover the misconceptions. Then the teacher can target the specific gaps. #ElemMathChat
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:48 PM EST
    Here’s an example of what was used for a 1:1 conference last week. https://t.co/vrOLZAOped #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:48 PM EST
    Thank you! I love my students and am blessed by them daily! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Lievens
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
    I wonder what journals and reflection tools like this could look like for our emergent readers/writers. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
    I like this a lot. Thanks for sharing. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
    So, for those not here yet, this is what happened...I read some great responses to some questions I’m constantly arguing with myself about, then I asked more Qs, and now amazing lessons, resources, and examples are being shared. What might be some takeaways? #ElemMathChat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Great Q. I wonder what structure might be put into place to make this a daily practice? Win on reps alone as @JCorippo says #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84, @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance, @jcorippo
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Incredible, thanks for sharing #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Thank you so much! I will check them out! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @Flipgrid, @SEANJFAHEY, @Miss_Lievens, @Seesaw, @rlfreedm
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Love the output, I’m curious about what thought processes led you here #elemmathchat
    In reply to @LybryaKebreab
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I did a consolidation, and named his two strategies for everyone else. So my data gathering turned into lesson for all! 2/2 #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Good question. I’ve seen 1-3 Ts use a similar form. More visual w/circling and examples. It’s amazing when students start to take more of an ownership role in their math journey. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84, @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    By asking questions, everyone learns more than just giving the answers! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • katrina_cade Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A7: Data is crucial and it informs instruction by showing you where each Ss is. The Ss thought process, is most important data to capture to promote instruction because it allows you to see how Ss are thinking and misconceptions they may have. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing your amazing reading Margie! Good stuff we’re sharing tonight #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie, @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A7 Data is important and informs instruction if we are reflective, patient, and brave to try new things. Interviews are valuable because Ts can gain so much insight into student thinking. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Powerful observation, how might that be carried out if I was a student in you classroom? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Yes, yes, what Molly said #elemmathchat
    • RawdingMolly Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
      A7 Data is important and informs instruction if we are reflective, patient, and brave to try new things. Interviews are valuable because Ts can gain so much insight into student thinking. #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
    #Elemmathchat is excited to have our very own @MrBinfield Leading our chat on 2/22 8pmCST Join us! #MTBoS #TeachMathLikeMe #ITeachMath
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Using feedback to turn back into a lesson...hmmm...seems you created learning as a feedback loop that turns into learning...so prep goes down, amount of work you have to do goes down, and learning goes up...hmm...win win? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @hallumclass
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A7: all we see/hear/gather, directing us on our next steps, talk in the moment, let's us hear their current thinking. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • LybryaKebreab Feb 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
    #elemmathchat I will have looked for patterns in S intuitive thinking & determined where to push or support. Also, I will have considered where I failed/succeeded in refining their reasoning and what strategies to keep and which to reject for next time.
    • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
      Love the output, I’m curious about what thought processes led you here #elemmathchat
      In reply to @LybryaKebreab
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Practice producing the product versus describing the process? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @jcorippo, @tessakaplan84, @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • tessakaplan84 Feb 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
    I love watching our littlest learners take ownership of their learning. I've had firsties self-assess with their exit tickets by turning them into one of three different bin choices: "got it," "starting to get it," and "need more help" #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Mcoaty, @mathkaveli, @RozlynnDance
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Ha ha! I think that's the idea; still feel like I do too much work, though. Still learning and working on it. But yes, I love when Ss see how it all cycles back! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Invigorating to read the responses from everyone tonight on data. Maybe I do get this data thing after all
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
    What I’ve learned is GWMR - Go With Margie’s Response #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • Mcoaty Feb 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
    For some of the kids, I think being able to communicate their math perspectives via journaling can help them make more sense of their own mathematical understanding. Adding a conferring session adds to its benefit. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @jcorippo, @mathkaveli, @tessakaplan84, @RozlynnDance
  • MNmMath - Moderator Feb 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
    FT I am reminded when I get discouraged by what the "man" is telling me my data and data driven instruction should look like I need to turn to my #ElemMathChat & #MTBoS friends for support!
  • mathkaveli Feb 15 @ 9:59 PM EST
    that is amazing to see happen! How might we give them more of those opportunities? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @tessakaplan84, @Mcoaty, @RozlynnDance
  • hallumclass Feb 15 @ 9:59 PM EST
    I would talk to you. What do you need now to help you? Give think time/space. Give suggestions slowly; not all at once. Ss choose, ultimately. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • pearse_margie Feb 15 @ 9:59 PM EST
    @mathkaveli ROCKED it tonight at #elemmathchat Much appreciated. Thank you and thanks everyone!