#PBLchat Archive
#PBLchat is a weekly chat that focuses on different topics related to education and Project Based Learning.
Tuesday August 30, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
#PBLchat
- so happy to be moderating tonight! Jump in and say hello!
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
#PBLchat
- so happy to be moderating tonight! Jump in and say hello!
#pblchat
remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Hi! Remy here from
#NewTechNetwork
. Excited for tonight's chat!
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:01 PM EDT
@leahrosshenry
is your moderator tonight, school development coach with the
@newtechnetwork
#pblchat
KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Hello
#pblchat
, so nice to have you back. This is Krista from
#newtechnetwork
!
mrsvonstein
Aug 30 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Brooke,
@CVschoolofInq
third grade facilitator!
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Just getting started with
#pblchat
Introduce yourself... Question one coming up in a couple minutes….
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Q1: What are the essential components of the first week of a project aka project launch?
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cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:07 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
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One thing to avoid in project roll outs: Overuse of "Entry Letters." Yes, you can pack bread crumbs, but variety!
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Entry events, entry documents, group contract
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ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1: clear description of desired outcomes, preferably in a manner that initiates some student inquiry
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https://t.co/ICFqk3sQMd
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Q1: What are the essential components of the first week of a project aka project launch?
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jodihawk
Aug 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
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Jodi- NTN Dev. Coach here. Q1: Team contracts, KNTK's, Entry event are some that come to mind.
KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Love this piece by
@Mr_Kevin_Gant
on project roll-outs and when they suck
https://t.co/p8ALKD8cwk
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Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Hello all! Martha from Richmond Hill Elementary (Savannah, GA), teacher librarian
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
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LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
I'm hosting
#pblchat
right now, come on over!
jodihawk
Aug 30 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@Mrs_Bongi
Glad you're here! Love engaging in PBL with elem students
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A pt 2: Keeping students minds open to possibilities is hard when balancing modeling and expectations
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ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A1: Providing enough context so Ss have something to run with, while not front-loading everything
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https://t.co/4RIu7VAgLM
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
#pblchat
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:13 PM EDT
@cloudhid
mentioned one: boring entry documents/events
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Greetings from
#RVA
First
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Pumped to be here
ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A1: A nuanced challenge for Ts is to not feel like u must get all NTKs out at once, they shld evolve
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https://t.co/4RIu7VAgLM
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
#pblchat
jodihawk
Aug 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
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Q1.2: Often times NTK's become too logistical, not enough content driven.
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@LeahRossHenry
@cloudhid
Hah, so true! Keeping Ss engaged when beginning material can be blah is hard w/ 2nd & 3rd graders
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Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:16 PM EDT
I would add that's even harder for Ss. They want to know everything and hate feeling like they don't know.
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https://t.co/1t2HSVwPsy
ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A1: A nuanced challenge for Ts is to not feel like u must get all NTKs out at once, they shld evolve
#pblchat
https://t.co/4RIu7VAgLM
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
#pblchat
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Getting students to create quality group contracts can be s challenge
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Part 2Q1: A clear definition, was just in project rollout and students couldnt comm anything on project. Teacher/student disconnect
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cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
#pblchat
Students sometimes want to jump directly to running a solution before building solution criteria.
https://t.co/rJUK5x1U0h
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
#pblchat
jodihawk
Aug 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
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Q1.2: Entry events may not provide enough breadcrumbs to get the deeper NTK's you'd like to elicit.
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:18 PM EDT
@cloudhid
@newtechnetwork
is there value in letting them jump to a solution and struggle a bit?
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remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Q1.2 Love this post on using participatory design to help with student engagement
https://t.co/rbGTfpbMZr
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:19 PM EDT
I think that's why directly teaching the design process and think alouds are so important.
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@cloudhid
https://t.co/OYsUzNcYoM
cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:17 PM EDT
#pblchat
Students sometimes want to jump directly to running a solution before building solution criteria.
https://t.co/rJUK5x1U0h
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Part 2 of Q1: What challenges arise in this phase of the project, keeping in mind those essential elements?
#pblchat
bubricks_rubric
Aug 30 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Greetings all! Sorry I'm late to the
#pblchat
party 🎉. Kate,
#STEM
teacher,
@360_HighSchool
.
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Let's go to Q2: What are some different ideas for how to present the problem/project to students? Aka entry events?
#pblchat
remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
@bubricks_rubric
@360_HighSchool
Hi Kate! Welcome! Glad you could make it!
#pblchat
KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:23 PM EDT
"We implemented breaking down Need to Knows into three categories (Skills, Content, and Project)"
https://t.co/4OFOaMB9pi
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remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2. Guest speakers from the community can be a great way to create authenticity from the beginning...
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MrsBCubed
Aug 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
I'm late joining too. I'm Brittanni from Bama.
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
Q2: always love an authentic expert in the room, EX: BIN winner presented dog with need for prothetic leg and vet
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
A2: Create a "real-world" scenario/hypothetical; have "real world audience" or "expert" pose challenge/entry
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:25 PM EDT
Guest speakers from outside your community? skype in!
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:25 PM EDT
Q2: It should come organically, not dictated by you/Ts
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https://t.co/IiA7mJxFeo
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Let's go to Q2: What are some different ideas for how to present the problem/project to students? Aka entry events?
#pblchat
ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2: a quick experience to see something (even on campus), showing an intriguing photo, snippet from radio
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https://t.co/rCBFdoclwS
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Let's go to Q2: What are some different ideas for how to present the problem/project to students? Aka entry events?
#pblchat
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A video that raises awareness of the driving question, then home in on the specific problem with a document
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cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
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A great community partner can be very effective kicking it off. Some get too specific and narrow.
https://t.co/SBPdcgX8Kk
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Let's go to Q2: What are some different ideas for how to present the problem/project to students? Aka entry events?
#pblchat
bubricks_rubric
Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A2: This mimics a lot of the high qual learning experiences from
@LeadershipRI
! Makes learners feel valued!
#pblchat
https://t.co/GlCrQdDlWR
MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
A2: Create a "real-world" scenario/hypothetical; have "real world audience" or "expert" pose challenge/entry
#pblchat
remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@cloudhid
great point! Have you found a way to avoid this?
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Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
Students should feel comfortable asking questions. Best projects come from SS questions and interests in community
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MrsBCubed
Aug 30 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A2: It depends. Once I made my class count every trashcan in the school as an entry for a recycling pbl
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https://t.co/prlYBCNQ2a
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Let's go to Q2: What are some different ideas for how to present the problem/project to students? Aka entry events?
#pblchat
bubricks_rubric
Aug 30 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A2: In math, you can launch by playing a game...Why did that work? How did that work? How could we modify it?
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cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:30 PM EDT
I try to quickly teach them our process as we discuss working together; if they get it, I let em go for it!
#pblchat
https://t.co/GYpU5CvVLj
remyrobitaille
Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@cloudhid
great point! Have you found a way to avoid this?
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@remyrobitaille
@cloudhid
thats where the entry document can help get ss focused
#pblchat
cloudhid
Aug 30 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
@remyrobitaille
I love making entry docs, so I have control of the message and bread crumbs, but it can get stale!
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:31 PM EDT
some sort of call to action is usually a winner for an entry event... like fighting a social problem
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laurawitman
Aug 30 @ 8:32 PM EDT
Check out our science t's use of National Parks & place-based ed w/his Geology of National Parks class
https://t.co/Xn8ONKpwxf
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@cloudhid
@remyrobitaille
I usually do a mini project @ beginning of the year to directly teach and then we review thought the yr
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q3: What are some pitfalls to avoid during the roll out of a project?
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3:doing the same thing everytime you collect K/NTK/NS
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
I like the project quality checklist for
https://t.co/RL34LPwuzQ
ref
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ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A3: It's really easy to want to pre-teach or front-load information which can really undercut inquiry
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https://t.co/2x5YRhDrwz
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q3: What are some pitfalls to avoid during the roll out of a project?
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:34 PM EDT
@KristaMclark
this is super helpful for making sure your project is ready to roll!
#pblchat
LeahRossHenry
Aug 30 @ 8:36 PM EDT
Not letting students struggle a bit with the path to solving problem
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:36 PM EDT
A3: Not remembering these immortal words: If you have time (I didn’t), run critical friends on your project roll out idea
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nhoverman
Aug 30 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
q2:1 missing the target on authenticity. Something you were into but Ss weren't
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@nhoverman
Good One! I love backpacking, shouldn't they?!
#relevancy
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
A3: All students being invested in their work/group/project
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A3: forgetting to have students craft a problem statement and then wondering why they don't remember what they are working on later
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MrsBCubed
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A3: Avoid roll out b4 planning is finished. Ts get so excited, start it, & wondered why it flopped
#pblchat
https://t.co/rJFxZIZoUr
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q3: What are some pitfalls to avoid during the roll out of a project?
#pblchat
JLea85
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Hello! Jared here from Goshen New Tech. Excited to connect with others
@newtechnetwork
#pblchat
AndrewBiros
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A3: Constraining students' intrigue or wonder of controversial topics. Don't shut it down, get them to inquire & dig deeper.
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akesha
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@MrVestRVA
@newtechnetwork
I like this idea. How can you incorporate complex math ideas into this (i.e. radical numbers)
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A3: I just started PBL last year and I wanted to do everything on a grand scale. Initially, this led to Ss feeling overwhelmed
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A3: not paying attn to student's response, may be time to adjust
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A3: not viewing things from student role
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@MrVestRVA
I encourage shooting for the moon, but not in every project :)
#pblchat
Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
A3: Helping SS think outside of 'grades' was uber hard last year
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@ReadySetBrette
@newtechnetwork
such a hard habit to break ;)
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A3: when you find out the students don't know some of the technical skills you assumed they would
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bubricks_rubric
Aug 30 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A3: yes! Always good to do the project yourself first!
#pblchat
https://t.co/smQFk1QlI0
TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A3: not viewing things from student role
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A3: Not having the final product rubric ready as it becomes a NTK
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@akesha
@newtechnetwork
Also, here
https://t.co/AWnTPae9O7
For all Math teachers, this site (I'm told) is pretty awesome
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:45 PM EDT
Q4: What can you do if a project “flops” in the roll out?
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Mrs_Bongi
Aug 30 @ 8:45 PM EDT
@AndrewBiros
Amen! So hard for admins & state testing to think like this
#pblchat
https://t.co/MAzH0CayKq
AndrewBiros
Aug 30 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A3: Constraining students' intrigue or wonder of controversial topics. Don't shut it down, get them to inquire & dig deeper.
#pblchat
MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
What edtech do you recommend for creating rubrics or finding some already completed for use?
#pblchat
KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Love mathalicous!
@MrVestRVA
@akesha
@newtechnetwork
#PBLChat
MrsBCubed
Aug 30 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A4: I don't see anything wrong with reflecting & regrouping. Include the students or include a colleague.
#pblchat
https://t.co/WYgbRdWU68
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:45 PM EDT
Q4: What can you do if a project “flops” in the roll out?
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A4: evaluate w Ss to not only model your own learning but have them help own the problem solving
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@MrVestRVA
you could start with these:
https://t.co/zdOj8npJSe
and add in the specifics of your content/context
#pblchat
KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A4: Adjust and offer choice
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ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@MrVestRVA
@newtechnetwork
Do you know we have rubrics you can use (in part or whole) on our website?
https://t.co/jN7R76X1I1
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mrsvonstein
Aug 30 @ 8:48 PM EDT
A4: Reflect, make changes
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:49 PM EDT
A4: Can you blow it up and start over if it really just flopped? teachable moment , perhaps?
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:50 PM EDT
A4: my coach advised a "twist" to the project that usually was a letter from the original project partner that cleared up confusion
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:51 PM EDT
A4.1: we can always say " So what IS useful out of this?" Reframes "failure" for them and you
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A4: admitting your mistakes can let students know you are human, part of the process with them
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Q5: What do you do to ensure that students understand what is expected of them?
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A4: Could offer Ss an opportunity to redesign after research, further inquiry; lends itself to adaptability
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A5: a project "kickoff" just like in the work world ;)
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bubricks_rubric
Aug 30 @ 8:55 PM EDT
A5: rubrics, check-ins, multiple opps for feedback + revision
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:55 PM EDT
Q5: the creation of the problem statement usually weeds out confusion
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:55 PM EDT
A5: Post a checklist somewhere in room and revisit at the beginning and end of class. Provides constant reminder, shows progress
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A5.1 If you frame the project in an LMS, it's easy to make the objectives visible for each item
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:57 PM EDT
@MrVestRVA
Should the students make this list?
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newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:57 PM EDT
Q5: Being clear about the first benchmark for a project early on is key
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KristaMclark
Aug 30 @ 8:57 PM EDT
Q5: have students create their own individual Assessment of Knowledge and Thinking
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AndrewBiros
Aug 30 @ 8:57 PM EDT
A5: Come back to the DQ again & again & again. And again.
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ReadySetBrette
Aug 30 @ 8:58 PM EDT
A5: Ask Ss to describe what they think they might come up with/produce. Helps Ss & Ts understand
#pblchat
https://t.co/kvJqqBP6GN
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Q5: What do you do to ensure that students understand what is expected of them?
#pblchat
TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:58 PM EDT
I joined late: I'm a veteran teacher, who served as a blended learning specialist and director at an Ed tech company :)
#pblchat
newtechnetwork
- Moderator
Aug 30 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@KristaMclark
these are really great places for students to answer the driving question for a project
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MrVestRVA
Aug 30 @ 8:59 PM EDT
In middle school, I think the teacher should create first. As the year goes on, Ss creating could be more effective for sure
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andrewmlarson
Aug 30 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Q5: problem statement as HW. Chance to process. Regroup next day+hammer through group/ class version. Great chance to ck 4 clarity
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TCarter208
Aug 30 @ 8:59 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
@MrVestRVA
oooh I like that idea!
#ownership
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nhoverman
Aug 30 @ 8:59 PM EDT
@newtechnetwork
I find this especially helpful with 5th graders so they aren't overwhelmed
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