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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:00 PM EST

Woot woot! The shock of the first day back after a big weekend and yet here you are! Thanks! #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:00 PM EST

Welcome to tonight's #engsschat. Please take a moment to introduce yourself. I'm Steph & this is my co-moderator @CHitch94! #engchat #sschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM EST

Introduction - Welcome to #engsschat. Please introduce yourself - what you teach, where you’re from, etc.

classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM EST

Good evening #engsschat, this is Bill Chapman, a retired secondary social studies teacher, checking in from Berkeley, CA.

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM EST

Working from a site in Tucson. Hope the internet is fast here! #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM EST

Bill, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving! Thanks for joining us tonight. #engsschat

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CHitch94 - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM EST

Hello, #engsschat! This is Chris from Bloomington, IN. I teach world history for a private online HS affilliated w/ Indiana Univ.

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM EST

Hope you had a fine Thanksgiving weekend! I'm Erik. 21 years of teaching: 16 English, 5 Civics. #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM EST

You can view tonight's questions here: https://t.co/5oRod6V0qX We will begin the chat shortly! #engsschat #engchat #sschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM EST

Thanks for joining us tonight! Don't forget to use the combined #engsschat!

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scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM EST

Glad to see @erik_palmer hosting. Scott Petri, HS History teacher checking in from the left coast. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM EST

Or for more about me, https://t.co/or7dbQnAZR #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM EST

Thanks for joining us tonight! I'm super excited to chat with, @erik_palmer! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM EST

Hey, we meet again! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:04 PM EST

Q1: For individuals & for cultures, oral language comes 1st. How much of your instruction is based on oral language? #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:04 PM EST

Thanks for joining us tonight, Zack! Tonight we're using the combined #engsschat

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MrsRicklis Nov 28 @ 7:04 PM EST

Good evening! Brittany from NJ 6th & 7th grade SS (Ancient Civ & US History) #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:05 PM EST

It is the #1 language art. 75% of adult communication is listening & speaking. #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:05 PM EST

A1: I'm lucky enough to teach senior speech and an intro speech course at a community college! Oral comm. is so vital! #engsschat

classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:05 PM EST

Hi Scott. I saw John Meyers tweet that the LA County registrar should be uploading a large vote segment today. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:05 PM EST

Welcome to tonight's chat, Brittany. Thanks for joining us! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

It is the #1 skill employers want. #engsschat

kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

A1. 80% of instruction is done orally. Far less in assessment maybe 35%. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

Or think of it this way: if no one spoke in your class what would be different? #engsschat

scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

Hi Bill, Do you think a recount will result in anything meaningful? Should we really scrap the EC? #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

A1: Oral language is important but can sometimes be bumped aside with reading and writing, too. It is so critical, though. #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

That is awesome. What do you teach? #engsschat

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CHitch94 - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM EST

A1) I teach online so very little of my students' work is oral though I'd like to move to using things like VoiceThread. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:07 PM EST

75% of adult communication is speaking and listening. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:07 PM EST

VoiceThread rocks! Teaching a class via VT this week. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:08 PM EST

Teachers who speak well are more effective with kids. #engsschat

scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:08 PM EST

A1 Thanks to @erik_palmer 's great books, I have been able to shift more of my instruction to S&L #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:08 PM EST

Speaking is the most important lang art so you have to incorporate it into online instruction #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:08 PM EST

I've used @KaizenaHQ with Ss, too. Both great tools. #engsschat

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kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:08 PM EST

Should SAT/ACT/AP include both a speaking and listening component? #engsschat

classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:09 PM EST

A recount will change no elect votes. As for the EC, getting rid of it will do nothing about citizens skills/knowlg. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:09 PM EST

Q2: With easy video, podcast, & audio tools, is oral language becoming dominant again? #engsschat

scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:09 PM EST

You would like @flipgrid too. Ss can respond to ea other's Qs. Great jigsaw activities w/speaking. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:09 PM EST

Yep! Without it, it is just a hoop we make kids jump through. We need REAL WORLD skills #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM EST

An article about this: https://t.co/8AB4AJfxnI #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM EST

I think sometimes oral language takes more time to assess or is costly, which is why it is often left out of testing. #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM EST

A2 I don't know if speaking ever wasn't the dominant communication vessel, but those tools make it a lot better than teacher talk #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM EST

Well said! #engsschat

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kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:11 PM EST

Oral language and image language combined are crucial #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:11 PM EST

All of these tools are designed for oral communication. Gotta have that down before hitting record. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:11 PM EST

Time consuming, yes. But we all have kids talk and most of those waste listeners' time #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:12 PM EST

So many YouTube videos that teachers post prove that we have not taught kids to speak well. #engsschat

SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:12 PM EST

A1: I would definitely say that building a language-rich classroom is important both in elementary school and in high school even.#engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:12 PM EST

https://t.co/VBNgDFmfoK #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

I am tired of green screens with students speaking poorly in front of the screen. https://t.co/QtgHdjBwgF #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

A cool animation about speaking: https://t.co/PgCklMzLab #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

Here's one of my favorite TED talks which addresses how YouTube is reconnecting us orally https://t.co/YP3dtjMdiT #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

this is all too true! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

I get a lot of work now with colleges and with adults! No one taught them to speak well either #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:13 PM EST

Yep, oral language dominates! Except in our instructional time #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:14 PM EST

I am tired of teachers doing TED type talks without teaching kids to speak well first. The kids can do way better than we think. #engsschat

classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:14 PM EST

Unfortunately, the states Trump flipped are those led by R govs which implemented major voter suppression laws. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:14 PM EST

Why would anyone post a ruff drapht? #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:15 PM EST

Q3: How often do you assign speaking activities (socratic seminar, read aloud, debates, reports, etc.)? #engsschat

cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:15 PM EST

I think a lot of SS teachers assume that LA has taught kids to speak, not always the case. #engsschat

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jstarkweather06 Nov 28 @ 7:15 PM EST

@Joanna_Ray11 I used VoiceThread several times in an online class this summer and as a student I really enjoyed it! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:16 PM EST

Agreed! They didn't teach it. My son had haiku units in 5 different yrs. Never one speaking unit. #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:16 PM EST

A3 not enough. I have a lot of informal speaking within small groups, but not enough formal class talks #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:16 PM EST

With the pressure to accomplish many tasks, Ts avoid speaking because of time (but it's worth it) #engsschat

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kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:16 PM EST

If we had more assessments of oral skills we would have better instruction and performance. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:17 PM EST

But know that we want to develop ALL speaking, not just formal talks so that's cool #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:17 PM EST

and a lot of SS teachers are afraid that if they teach it, they are turning into an LA class & losing content #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:18 PM EST

Sigh, We do teach to the test. But everything tested will be better if kids speak well #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:18 PM EST

absolutely - time is a HUGE factor! #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:18 PM EST

I know what you mean; it is ashamed though. These skills must be developed early on. One venue is the classroom. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:18 PM EST

Recording speeches and having multiple Ss perform for smaller groups can save time. There are ways! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM EST

Q4. Why do you do it? Why make them talk? #engsschat

kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM EST

Students who are good at oral communication but poor at writing are getting short changed. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM EST

Working with a KG class recently: https://t.co/D9CGnYcgxq #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM EST

Ss will speak for the rest of their lives. Sending a clear message / persuasion are vital to all aspects of life. #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM EST

it's odd when you think that the first formal speech class for most Ss isn't until HS. #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM EST

Hey everyone! I'm Alex--former HS English and Creative Writing teacher, current #edtech employee. Still passionate about ed! #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM EST

Worse than odd. And many adults I work with say they never had a speaking course till college. Ugh. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM EST

Ss can be taught to write if they can orally express ideas and logical develop claims. These skills help each other. #engsschat

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cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:21 PM EST

A4 why? Because most of the conversations they have are far better than textbook content. Definitely more engaging! #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:21 PM EST

Thanks for joining us tonight, Alex! #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:21 PM EST

That is so cool. I loved that video. So short and simple yet so powerful and effective to get students comfortable.#engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:22 PM EST

A1: I taught for six years, and have since spent two years in the private sector. I regret not teaching more oral language #engsschat

cheffernan75 Nov 28 @ 7:22 PM EST

Totally bummed, but I have to cut out of #engsschat! Darn 1st grader needs help with his HW! Thanks @erik_palmer - lots of great ideas here!

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:22 PM EST

Teacher thought, "I have them speaking, I should specifically teach the skills neede to do it well" #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:22 PM EST

Thanks for joining us tonight! Have a great night. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:23 PM EST

Q5: Be honest: do most oral presentations by students engage the listeners? Are Ss impressive? #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:23 PM EST

Check out https://t.co/XwoaSECEaU after his bedtime #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:23 PM EST

True. Students would be so much better at speaking if it were introduced much earlier on. #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:23 PM EST

A1: I didn't fully appreciate demands of working world until I spent time in it. Oral communication is too important to ignore #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:23 PM EST

A5: While Ss are growing speakers, that is the first thing I teach Ss. Audience matters more than the speakers. They must engage! #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:24 PM EST

Are students in the audience totally engaged & inspired? #engsschat

SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:24 PM EST

But look at how many classrooms today do not utilize any form of speeches early on in school. #engsschat

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classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:24 PM EST

A5 It depends. If they are engaged with the content & feel the resulting work is important, then yes. Otherwise, no. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:24 PM EST

I came from the business world and knew how important speaking was. So I always emphasized it. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:24 PM EST

Unfortunately, not always. They need to be taught to listen as well as speak. It's a mutual & active relationship. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:25 PM EST

2 days later, how many listeners could tell you anything a classmate presented? Don’t waste Ss time with weak presentations #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:25 PM EST

If 1 of 10 passes your test, YOU failed, not them. If 1 of 10 presenters is impressive, YOU failed. #engsschat

kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:25 PM EST

Presentation are not the only oral communication skills - discussions, questioning, debates, socratic seminars are common skills #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:25 PM EST

A1: We need more collaboration between teachers and private sector. When I taught, I needed more sense for private sector needs #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:25 PM EST

And they need stuff worth listening to. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:26 PM EST

Most Ts see poor writing & offer lots of help to fix it. Most see poor/mediocre speaking & go on to the next unit anyhow. #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:26 PM EST

I keep thinking about how differently I would teach knowing what I know now. I have way better perspective #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:26 PM EST

Agreed. I hate when folks think speaking = Public Speaking. I want to improve ALL speaking. #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:26 PM EST

A1: We need much more student talk in ALL classrooms, period. All ages.All disciplines. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:27 PM EST

BTW, if you have impressive speakers, share with https://t.co/2rEAArtb3H and get $$$ & prizes. #engsschat

scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:27 PM EST

I'm close to validating your PVLEGS scales w/ the teachers I have been working with this Fall. #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:27 PM EST

A5: I would say that most speeches by students who are just starting to give speeches are very bad and have much room to improve. #engsschat

twjovem Nov 28 @ 7:28 PM EST

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:28 PM EST

And we much more direct, specific teaching of the skills needed to talk well #engsschat

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kwillmann Nov 28 @ 7:28 PM EST

Do storyboards, films, videos, etc. count at oral skills? #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:28 PM EST

Making kids talk DOES NOT teach them how to talk well. #engsschat

drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:28 PM EST

I see so many weak presentations in classrooms, and the Ts just go on to the next like nothing happened, #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:29 PM EST

We treat speaking differently than other subjects: https://t.co/qxOZ6QcOFE #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:29 PM EST

If kids are speaking, it counts! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:29 PM EST

SIGH! #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:29 PM EST

I record all speeches and have Ss reflect. Good athletes watch film - so do good speakers! #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM EST

The key is to have a clear rubric to use to analyze those talks. What should we look for? #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM EST

Kindergartners routinely give "presentations" & are good - by 4th gr, we've beaten kids into silence. #engsschat

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listenwiselearn Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM EST

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM EST

A2: I think oral language is more pervasive than dominant. There's a lot of good material out there, but also a lot of bad #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

Q6: Does your school have a speaking curriculum? Specific materials with a scope & sequence for developing oral language? #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

Books with ACTIVITIES do not count. I need LESSONS! #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

https://t.co/LGblsJDk2U #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

A2: Same way we teach students to distinguish reputable sources, we need to teach what effective oral communication sounds like #engsschat

SCSSA_Prez Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

Yep. I just bought 3 @goswivl video capture systems so we can do that at my school. Very powerful. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:31 PM EST

100 English teachers walk into a bar...https://t.co/LGblsJDk2U #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:32 PM EST

For example, “in 3rd grade, we teach EMPHATIC HAND GESTURES; in 4th grade, DESCRIPTIVE HAND GESTURES #engsschat

drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:32 PM EST

A6: I'm a consultant and don't see ANY schools where I work w an oral lang/presentation curriculum or scope/sequence. Sad. #engsschat

SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:32 PM EST

A5: Also, I've noticed that its easy to have boring history lectures. Great teachers take time to have engaging history lessons. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:32 PM EST

Tradition: I ask what SPECIFIC lessons are used to teach elements of effective communication and get no answers. #engsschat

classroomtools Nov 28 @ 7:33 PM EST

Why should teachers lecture at all? #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:33 PM EST

I think we need to be careful about assuming speaking is an extrovert talent. We need to connect with and empower introverts #engsschat

SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:33 PM EST

Yeah, it can be rough #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

Most speaking is an afterthought to some other unit. AFTER reading the book, do a 3 min talk. AFTER poetry unit, do a recitation. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

Exactly. I bill myself as the nation's leading expert on teaching speaking. If you are the only one, you are #1 #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

Tone, nonverbal features, word choice, organization, and pacing to name a few! #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

I always used Community Circle (Jeanne Gibbs, Tribes) regularly to give Ss regular speaking practice. #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

Exactly!! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

First teach the core skill, speaking, Then use tech that showcases speaking. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:34 PM EST

We incorporate speaking at the Sophomore English level. It is an important part of the map. Seniors can take speech #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:35 PM EST

Suggested reading: https://t.co/rSsaOvyLH8 #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:35 PM EST

That means something more than, "Just do it." We need to scale it for introverts. We need to give them small wins along the way. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:35 PM EST

https://t.co/jGgbi1R6Z1 #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:36 PM EST

And use digital tools to give them a digital voice first. #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:36 PM EST

I would say that a bit of lecture is good but definitely not much is truly needed #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:37 PM EST

Q7: Assigning speeches IS NOT THE SAME as teaching Ss how to speak well. Share your gesture lessons, eye contact lessons, etc. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:37 PM EST

DON’T SHARE ACTIVITIES! We all have activities but how do you teach them to do those well? #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:37 PM EST

They been talking since KG, and get a course at grade 10. Sigh. #engsschat

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SprungerZack Nov 28 @ 7:37 PM EST

That is a great idea to get them comfortable early on. High school and college will be much easier. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:38 PM EST

Before assigning the essay, you (or others before you) taught capitalization & had Ss practice. #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:38 PM EST

One of my favorite speaking activities: speed dating. Just get to know classmates. We discussed what good conversations look like #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:38 PM EST

Right. Where are the pacing lessons? A lesson about when to slow. A lesson about when to speed...#engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:38 PM EST

First we watched Joaquin Phoenix's painful interview with Letterman. We discussed why it was so awkward and unsuccessful. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:39 PM EST

You taught comma usage & had Ss practice; sentence fragments & had students practice; topic sentences &, #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:39 PM EST

How do you teach them how to speak well as they do that activity?#engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:40 PM EST

Before assigning the speech, what SPECIFIC LESSONS did you give the Ss? How to be poised & then chances to practice? #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:40 PM EST

When Ss peer review before delivering a speech or working on oral interpretation are two opportunities for pacing. #engsschat

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johnsonmaryj Nov 28 @ 7:40 PM EST

Readers Theater for oral communication, drama, expression. Used with slave narratives @librarycongress https://t.co/ovKEoGyxB2 #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:41 PM EST

Sample activities: https://t.co/Uz2d0iyDbE #engsschat

CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:41 PM EST

In steps. Gradually. We watched videos of interviews and conversations, compared and contrasted. The first step was immersion #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:41 PM EST

"Opportunities for." And what lessons do you have to prepare them for those opportunities? #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:41 PM EST

Lots of practice is key, obviously. If Ts do most of the talking, day after day, Ss don't get vital practice. #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:41 PM EST

In steps. We watched videos of interviews and conversations, compared and contrasted. The first step was immersion #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:42 PM EST

A 5th grade teacher in CA demonstrates TEACHING eye contact instead of just telling Ss to do it: https://t.co/lXJ3D75rK7 #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:42 PM EST

@CourseHeroAlex Make watching more meaningful. Look at the checklists here: https://t.co/lrDHTTdWgy #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:42 PM EST

Direct instruction mini lessons, watching example videos, class discussion about pacing - these are lessons w/my Ss. #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:42 PM EST

Yes, watching videos and analyzing speaking skills are incredibly helpful in teaching key skils. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:42 PM EST

Yay!! More ideas here: https://t.co/Bzn2YyiGRH #engsschat

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editakudryavts1 Nov 28 @ 7:43 PM EST

نفحة اشتياق 1 للشيخ عادل الكلباني https://t.co/afmMXE4y2z #كلنا_ضد_مريم_بيفور220 #engsschat #ARHSavingPepe #FMTVde16Gün U34T

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:43 PM EST

Steph used the key words: Direct instruction!! Thank you for giving that to kids. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:44 PM EST

Q8: What digital tools & sites do you use to have students record rough drafts of speeches? #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:44 PM EST

We start each unit with direct instruction. They need to be familiar w/ concepts before being asked to do them. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:45 PM EST

You DO require rough drafts, right? Ss hand in rough drafts before writing assignments are due, so of course the same for talks. #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:45 PM EST

My college class uses a program called YouSeekYou. High school just watched unlisted videos on YouTube. #engsschat

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johnsonmaryj Nov 28 @ 7:46 PM EST

A8 Tips for conducting interviews, incl recording, from Veterans History Project https://t.co/7XHk0SA5xQ #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:46 PM EST

Every device has recording capability. Photo Booth on all Mac devices. “Record & send me the rough draft so I can comment/teach.” #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:46 PM EST

Every smart phone can record audio/video. “Record & send me the rough draft so I can comment/teach.” #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:46 PM EST

What are the tips? Can you share some? #engsschat

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:46 PM EST

A8: I have used @Vialogues and @VideoNotes to have Ss annotate film as well. Time stamps are helpful. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:47 PM EST

Google Voice is free. “Here’s my number, Ss. Call & leave me 30 seconds of your talk so I can comment/teach.” #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:47 PM EST

I use flip cameras with my Speech Team. It is the only way I can coach my whole team. Video is essential. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:48 PM EST

https://t.co/K7kHGxmnIy is free. “Go online, record, send me the practice of your reader’s theater so I can comment/teach.” #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:48 PM EST

They're old, but they work! Kids record each other all the time. They know where I hide them in my desk :) #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:48 PM EST

Could you use Voxer in this way too? It's free in the non-premium version. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

DON’T THINK OF POSTING TO YOUTUBE UNTIL Ss HAVE DONE ROUGH DRAFTS SUCH AS THESE. #engsschat

jstarkweather06 Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

This is a great idea! I've been learning about RT in my methods course and I will totally use this #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

Important caveat: I never felt qualified to teach speaking techniques. This needs to be incorporated into teacher ed programs #engsschat

erikaisakova201 Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

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Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

Of course! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:49 PM EST

Double edged sword: tools showcase speaking (Skype, Facetime, video) but some tools diminish speaking opportunities (facebook..)#engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:50 PM EST

Q9. Do you have any resources you can share? Specific THIS IS HOW TO SPEAK WELL materials? #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:50 PM EST

Exactly. NO ONE had teacher prep on this. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:50 PM EST

Great idea! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:51 PM EST

An animation about speaking https://t.co/PgCklMRm1J #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:51 PM EST

A9: Confessions of a Public Speaker is one of my favorite books! #engsschat @berkun https://t.co/OIqvj9QfeZ

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jstarkweather06 Nov 28 @ 7:51 PM EST

I will be coaching a speech team next year so I will keep that in mind. Do you have any more advice for a new coach? #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:52 PM EST

Resources are scarce. At the end of some chapter in a reading book, there may be a mention of speaking. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:52 PM EST

An article about speaking https://t.co/Csxn003Sy0 #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:52 PM EST

A9: Speak the Movie is very inspiring. It is the Toastmasters Documentary. My Ss love it! #engsschat https://t.co/Xb6El17fah

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:52 PM EST

A9: Speak the Movie is very inspiring. It is the Toastmasters Documentary. My Ss love it! #engsschat https://t.co/bthwXQOu3j

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:53 PM EST

A website about speaking https://t.co/XwoaSECEaU #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:53 PM EST

lots of resources at the end of this article: https://t.co/qxOZ6QcOFE #engsschat

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CourseHeroAlex Nov 28 @ 7:53 PM EST

A6: My good friend taught public speaking and theater. Developed an excellent curriculum. Happy to connect people with her! #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 7:53 PM EST

I definitely have a TON I can share. I will sort through some Speech Team related materials and send you some! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:53 PM EST

Me, me! I'd love to see her stuff. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:54 PM EST

An article with tons of resources included: https://t.co/tQQE7NUR5O #engsschat

scottmpetri Nov 28 @ 7:54 PM EST

Thanks @MatthewFarber Using Games for Serious Learning in High School. Great list https://t.co/jQKcFKY1SV #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:55 PM EST

See https://t.co/2rEAArKLVf #engsschat

drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:55 PM EST

I found some good materials on how to give a great speech in Laura Randazzo's TPT store, just FYI everyone. #engsschat

monika_kostina Nov 28 @ 7:55 PM EST

نفحة اشتياق 3 للشيخ عادل الكلباني https://t.co/1mgoYpI0pi #كلنا_ضد_مريم_بيفور220 #engsschat #ARHSavingPepe #FMTVde16Gün GD2I

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:56 PM EST

But what about the introverted kids? https://t.co/NclOa30X8B #engsschat

johnsonmaryj Nov 28 @ 7:56 PM EST

Here's a resource for #engsschat - a 1938 shocking machine to take ahs, ers, ums out of speaking. https://t.co/xvZkHxtD2E

jstarkweather06 Nov 28 @ 7:56 PM EST

Thanks guys! Anything I can get will help. I did speech in HS but was mostly a debater. This is awesome #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:56 PM EST

Bottom line: we gotta give kids specific help. Making them talk is not working. They aren't good. Teach speaking. #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:57 PM EST

Can I program for "like" and "I know, right?" #engsschat

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drangelapeery Nov 28 @ 7:57 PM EST

Introverts live in an extroverted world. Yes, they need to do formal presentations too. #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:58 PM EST

A blog about speaking: https://t.co/3TPkOZzlBE #engsschat

johnsonmaryj Nov 28 @ 7:58 PM EST

Yes, it's time for an update! #engsschat

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erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:58 PM EST

You know Quiet by Susan Cain? Great book. #engsschat

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redskins2402 Nov 28 @ 7:58 PM EST

#engsschat Abdul Razak Ali Artan Theranos #Hardball #JaniotPregunta https://t.co/DV1XEMZtKP

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:59 PM EST

Thank you all! Thanks for playing our game & thanks for valuing the #1 language art! #engsschat

erik_palmer Nov 28 @ 7:59 PM EST

Lots of resources went by really fast. Contact me thru https://t.co/XwoaSEUfzu if you missed something and want to see it. #engsschat

Steph_Sukow - Moderator Nov 28 @ 8:00 PM EST

Thanks, @erik_palmer for hosting tonight. We appreciate you stressing the importance of oral language. #engsschat #powerofwords #teachspeech

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participatelrn Nov 28 @ 8:00 PM EST

Miss #engsschat, or want to reflect further on the conversation? View transcripts & resources at https://t.co/M3tRy9oMXP