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HSSocialMedia : RT CoachDingus: Q1: Do you prefer your Offensive Line to be in 2 point or 3 point stances? Do you allow them to decide which? #hogfbchat
A1: I prefer to have my guys in 3 point, more for a get off advantage, but our OC this year wanted us in a 2 point. It helped more in pass pro, but I feel like our run game suffered. #hogfbchat
A1: I prefer guys to be in 2 pt stances as a run first guy. But I’ve had some hosses at tackle who could handle the 3 pt and still maul folks. Depends on the kid, but I don’t give them a choice. #hogfbchat
Our guards get in 3 point stances- our tackles do most of our communications so like them in 2 point to allow for easy pass pro set and to be able to make the communication calls. Anything inside the 10 -3 point state for sure #hogfbchat
A1- I think stance should be dictated by what fits your scheme and the ability of the player. Not all schemes and athletes are created equally.
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A1: prefer G's in 3 and T's in 2 but if the tackles can't play with good pad level we move them to 2's. Sometimes it's just a mental adjustment of being lower to the ground that helps with pad level. #hogfbchat
Single wing so we are in a 3 and set ready to rock when get to the line. If I was coaching a spread or something different I’d prefer a 2 and preferred a 2 as a player #HogFbChat
A1. We teach old school 3 point squared up feet stance. Run heavy wing-t so we feel this gives our guys the best base to execute all the blocks we ask of them. Let them choose, that's a good one hahaha
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A1: tinkered with 2point before. Felt like we didn’t have the push up front that we wanted. Also tinkered with guards down tackles up against certain fronts. I see the benefit of it but haven’t needed the 2point yet. #hogfbchat
Because our base offense is the I-formation, I prefer 3 pt. Feel guys get off the ball better that way. I do understand why teams go to a 2 pt. Though. When executed correctly, a 2 pt can be just as effective. #hogfbchat
A1. We're a flexbone team so we have everyone in 3 point stances. They have a very downhill stance so they can fire off the ball. If in a pass heavy offense, I think having at least the tackles in 2 point stance would help them out. #hogfbchat
A1: we put our hand in the dirt, have only allowed one player to get in a 2 point stance, he was a 4 star player, and I hated it then, so we switched him back. So regardless of the offense I’ve coached in, I’m all in hands down #hogfbchat
A1) As a predominantly run team we operate out of a 3 pt stance except in certain passing situations. We want to come off the ball with an aggressive attitude and bad intentions and pound the rock! #hogfbchat
A1: 3 point. We come from an I formation background. If player is confortable in a two, he can use it. But haven’t had lots of success with it. Mainly not too comfortable teaching its subtleties... #hogfbchat
3 point, I feel they can get out better, no sometimes we have allowed tackles to be in 2 points especially if they have a hard time pulling, and 2 min drill is basically all 2 point #hogfbchat
I prefer 3-pt stances. Especially at JV level, I aim to teach fundamentally sound & consistently applied physical principles. 3-pt can travel, although I'll definitely let guys go 2-pt as a Varsity HC, when they show the conceptual understanding necessary. #hogfbchat
A1. 2 point for everyone. Allows the kids to see what is going on. Never had a long term issue with firing off. Makes pass pro so much easier
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I prefer a 3pt stance, get low baby. But I will not handcuff a kid if a 2pt fits him better. We will develop 3pt from JH up though, so shouldn’t be an excuse. #hogfbchat
A1: I prefer 2 point for mobility and vision. I think it can be done in a way where you won’t loose much of the leverage that a 4 point provides.#hogfbchat
A1: Depends on the kid. I've used both depending on ability. I prefer three point but had trouble with Tackles getting beat off the edge in pass pro last season so G's were in 3 and T's were in 2. #hogfbchat
A1: 3pt stance for us. We are a run 1st Team, & I love the mentality it sends to our kids of being in a 3pt stance, w/ what we do, in the flexbone. Triple option is our identity.#hogfbchat
If I were calling offense it’s 3 all day. Ground n pound. as a DC i have picked up on so many tackles who switch from 3 to 2 point in pass situation, which is easy indicator. 1 yr one team was 96% pass when 2 pt. I think it’s gotta be consistent with whatever you do. #hogfbchat
#hogfbchat A2. Used both including open closed tackles past 5 years. I’m to the point now I prefer 3pt over 2. Understand +- of both. But feel 3 puts guys in more physical mindset. Not 100% sold one sided. Interested to see others views.
A1: I like the 3pt. At the HS level I think it helps guys fire off the ball. We’ve played around with 2pt in the past. During the two-minute we do allow tackles to go out of a 2. #hogfbchat
A1: Always preferred the interior to be in a 3pt stance. Don’t mind the tackles in a 2 as long as they are effective in run blocking with it. #hogfbchat
A1. No preference really. I would like them to be consistent. Have played/coached in programs that operate either way. Pros and cons to both. #hogfbchat
A1: prefer G's in 3 and T's in 2 but if the tackles can't play with good pad level we move them to 3's. Sometimes it's just a mental adjustment of being lower to the ground that helps with pad level. #hogfbchat
A1 Because our base offense is the I-formation, I prefer 3 pt. Feel guys get off the ball better that way. I do understand why teams go to a 2 pt. Though. When executed correctly, a 2 pt can be just as effective. #hogfbchat
A1: I prefer my guys in 3 pt stances being a run first guy, but have had some hosses at tackle that could handle the 2 pt and still maul kids. Depends on their strengths end of the day. But I don’t give them the choice. #hogfbchat
a1 #hogfbchat 3pt stance unless given specific (and rare) instruction by me that a 2pt is acceptable for a certain play/series. They also have to learn right/left handed stances depending on which side of the line they're on
Q1: Do you prefer your Offensive Line to be in 2 point or 3 point stances? Do you allow them to decide which? #hogfbchat At high school level I prefer 3 point 100% of time due to amount of practice time needed to effectively do both. I decide. #hogfbchat
A1 - Guards in 3 PT/ TKLs in 2 pt. If the T is covered by a TE, they are in a 3 pt. Most DL are practicing Get Offs everyday, you better be in a good position with great leverage for this on the interior. #hogfbchat
As a defensive coach, I love seeing OL in a 2 point. Most young bucks can’t keep/get their pads low enough at the snap. Defenders gets into the chest and cause chaos #hogfbchat
A1: 3 point, I’m am old school and I think it is conducive to run blocking, allows them to get under the defender and drive them off the ball #hogfbchat
Q1 A1 we go out of a 2pt allows us to focus on our FTTG and owning our angle each player finds that perfect level in their 2pt where they feel strongest allowing them not to worry about low man win idea. #hogfbchat
A1) When in doubt always default to the 3-point, IMO. However, if a guys FB IQ and situational awareness is high-level, a 2-point at the OT spots can give them a slight advantage if used correctly. All depends on scheme though at the end of the day. #hogfbchat
2 pt. Stance isn’t in my vocabulary...we are in a balanced 3pt. Stance so we can execute all aspects of our stuff in a very physical downhill manner! #hogfbchat
A1: continuing rant* I don’t care how good you are, or how well coached you are, high school kids naturally play higher out of a 2 point stance, can’t compromise being able to run the ball for the sake of looking pretty #hogfbchat
A1. Personally like 2Pt stance, allows for easier vision to make calls, but think both are effective if they put force through the ground to fire off and make contact. Big @OLineWorld65 fan #hogfbchat
A1: I prefer my guys to be in three point stances the majority of the time. I feel like it emphasizes pad level a bit better. My tackles can go in a 2 if they are having trouble on passing downs, but I ask that they mix it up. #hogfbchat
A1 I like the interior 3 to be in threes and the outside guys whatever they are comfortable with. I like to see guys switch it up to. 3 on a pass and a 2 on a run as not to tip our hand offensively. #hogfbchat
A1: Oh man....had some heated debates with @eric_mccalla about this one. My thought is tackles in a two, guards in a three. We ended up everyone down across the board which is fine. We don't face a lot of speed rush off the edge so it worked out fine. #hogfbchat
A1: 3 pt stance - Lotta Pulling in our schemes. I believe they generate more force driving off away-instep out of a 3pt. If they can't get out of a 3pt in passpro fast enough they haven't been doing enough PCs ⚒️🐗⚒️🏋🏽♀️⚒️ #hogfbchat
A1: Guards in 3 pt. Tackles will be in whichever stance they perform the best in. This year, Left Tackle was 2 pt. Right Tackle was 3 pt.
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A1: I prefer 3 point for as much as I my teams have always ran the ball. Was just discussing with my OC @Doc_Brown_LL about being able to do 2 point for up tempo/snap count changes. #hogfbchat
A1: My preference is 3pt, even 4pt at times. And we run mostly gun spread. But my other preference is for a solid stance that my guys can use explosively every down. So we've had latitude for players to develop their "comfort zone" in their stance. #hogfbchat
Only allow tackles to do 2 point. Just tell them to go with comfort and they better be able to execute. Haven’t had any players choose to. They all preferred 3 Point. #hogfbchat
A1 we go guards 3 pt, tackles 2 pt. Feel it gives them a better jump in terms of pass sets and first step with outside zone. Was first year not having all in 3 pt. Scheme should really dictate it. #hogfbchat
A1: really tried to go 2 point this year. My players felt more comfortable in 3 point. Finished the season with my tackles in 2pt and guards in 3 pt. My main concern was them being comfortable and getting off the ball as quick as possible. #hogfbchat
A1) we changed this year to a modified 3pt that i picked up at the Alabama clinic. It’s a 2 pt base with a hand down that allows us to cut if needed and kind of get the best of both worlds #hogfbchat
A1. We are 3 point across the board. We are a gap scheme offense and I feel like a 2 pt stance can lead to a loss in leverage in our scheme. Especially on plays like trap or belly #hogfbchat
A1) 3 point stance, gives us the best opportunity to be successful in Run. Just a small disadvantage in pass. On certain situations like 3rd and really long or 2 minutes left will let T’s be in a 2 point stance. #hogfbchat
A1 both! Everyone uses a 2 point for their center right? I start our young guys in a 3 and progress to a 2. All about if the guys can efficiently move out of the stances and do what you are asking them to. #hogfbchat
A1: I want them to be in the same stance at all times. I prefer the 3-point but I let my OL coach make that choice. I don’t want a tell for the defense at any point. Always be the same. #hogfbchat
A1) My OL coaches have always talked me into 3 point stances, but after seeing too many heads down and not seeing LBs, going forward I will give up some explosiveness out of a stance and put them in a 2 point. Until we get inside the 5. #hogfbchat
#hogfbchat My biggest concern with a 2pt stance, especially at the HS level, is their ability to bring force and be effective in run blocking using a 2pt. For many it changes their ability to apply FTTG at the start
A1: This year was the first year we went to a 2 point stance. We actually started the year in a 3 but our OL struggled with getting the play calls. We converted to a 2 and had more success. #hogfbchat
A1) We had our tackles up in 2 point with our guards in 3 point at the beginning of the year. By the 3rd game we were all in 3 point stances, if my tackles need to cut they can’t from a 2 point stance and we get better ball get off from 3 point. #hogfbchat
A1. Prefer a three point. Downhill, run first. Want those big boys coming off the ball aggressive as hell. Set the tone...gotta stop power first. #hogfbchat
Our center gives the snap count the quarterback will give the clap to know that he’s ready -the center actually called the cadence so if there still communication going on he just waits for the cadence #hogfbchat
A1: This season we moved to 2 point stance. Spoke with other coaches about the idea. HS kids like to look in the backfield, 2 point makes mesh difficult to see. #hogfbchat
A1: All of ours are 2 point because of our tempo offense to avoid murdering their legs. In perfect world I'd go Gs in 3-point and tackles in 2. Have to drill pad level hard though. But difference between 3 and 2 point stance is overrated. Advantage of 2 is hands ready #hogfbchat
A1 cont. Honestly though. As long as you get that z in your legs and put force into the ground your can move through your angles effectively I am cool with whatever stance a player is comfortable in. #hogfbchat
A1 pad level has to get hammered home with HS kids regardless of starting stance. Like anything else its reps, found there really wasn’t much of a change with our OTs out of a 2. But every kid is different. #hogfbchat
I know our staff preach outside hand down in our stances for the OL but I see many OL on other teams with dominate hand down. How do guys feel about that? I relate it similar to DL, we always go near hand down. #hogfbchat
A1: guards are in 3 pt. Tackles are in 2 pt. Personally I’m a big 3 pt. Fan but I also love running the football and don’t wanna sling it around all that much. No my guys don’t get to decide. #hogfbchat
A1 We have messed with both over the years. Guards work best out of 3 poibt and we will switch a tackle to a 2 point if he needs it to help with reach blocks and pass sets. #hogfbchat
A2: I like to do a front side reach with a backside gate. I feel it gets the pocket to move and gives the QB a little more security knowing there is a wall behind him. #hogfbchat
A2. We used turnback for many years but it adds pressure to the rb getting the edge and any second level defender is clear to get the qb. Hence we moved to more of a zone scheme. #hogfbchat
A1 (add-on) if they are in a welll balanced 3 point stance, they can pass or run block. If I can “slap” the hand on the ground & they fall forward or waiver because they are unbalanced then there is too much weight on the hand and makes it harder to execute some blocks #hogfbchat
A2: have taught both, really depends on what you’re better at. I prefer for reach and make it a horizontal fight down the line, but if you can’t reach, you better get real good at turning back #hogfbchat
A2. I will reach on the front, and hinge back on the backside. It has always worked where ever I have played or coached, and it works great on throwback screens to. #hogfbchat
A1- I feel it’s easier for OL to turn back, but I like putting the pressure on my guys and having them work playside gaps. #AllowMeToMakeThePlayCoach#hogfbchat
A2 we teach PSG/PST slide, backside slide one step inside, block pressure if there’s a man in their gap, otherwise hinge. Easy to keep the assignment the same no matter the front. #hogfbchat
A2: we tell out play side guards and tackles you need to hook your man and our backside G and T and stepping 45 and picking up anyone who shows. Our Center is what I call the trash man, he picks up any trash seeping throughout uncovered #hogfbchat
Q2 A2 full reach. Fighting to get backside hand to far side number. If DL abandons gap and dips inside pass him off to your inside partner. Focus on owning the angle #hogfbchat
A2: we teach full reach gap over and then hinge. Front side has to reach gap over like outside zone. Back side will reach to protect gap over for blitz/run through and then hinge #hogfbchat
DC perspective...reach is much more effective. If guys step and hedge, it is much easier to penetrate and slip a gap. But that’s just my throught, what do I know 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ #hogfbchat
agreed somewhat. If they're not starting with force I could do 1000 reps and they wouldn't be worth the time spent. I also don't believe you can address pad level without first addressing stance and mobility #hogfbchat
A2 - I feel it’s easier for OL to turn back, but I like putting the pressure on my guys and having them work playside gaps. #AllowMeToMakeThePlayCoach#hogfbchat
A2: we reached last year; I think cut blocking on the backside away from the sprint out sets a lot of stuff up for the Offense though and can slow down the backside pursuit #hogfbchat
A2: combo. Front side reaches while backside turns back. Had some issues this year and looked into full turn back. @footballinfo has a good quick podcast that I think is great. If using turnback, need two guys on edge. #hogfbchat
A2: I would prefer a different play call. Naked is much easier protection for OL and gets defense flowing opposite your QB and the routes behind it. Sprint out IMO is an overrated and expensive play: you limit yourself to 1/2 field and the defense flows INTO your QB #hogfbchat
A2: I prefer full reach with playside tackle and then everyone else turn back protect (I assume this means waterfall?) Simpler and helps the QB know where exactly any rushers will be coming from. RB helps playside tackle hook the first threat #hogfbchat
A2: we actually do both... depending on who the trigger man is weekly and how they defend sprint out..... we run so much wide zone that we love the full reach when possible, but turnback helps with all the crazy stunts- blitz #hogfbchat
A2: it’s a mix but front side is a reach responsible for the triangle (DT/DE/PSLB), backside is almost a cup reading inside out. Triangle could also be NT/DE/PSLB.
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#hogfbchat A2 I love reach-hinge. Mostly used for 1/2 roll but love it for sprint out as well. Use cov. Uncov. Rules. RB attacks playside. BS can handle 4 by beating 4th with depth. FS must be physical almost jumpset each man.
A2: love the turn back, usually like to have a H-back set edge and RB fit off of that. Don’t really sprint out much outside of that. I tend to think that a full reach is tougher in the QB, takes away that true RPO. #hogfbchat
A2: I like the turnback protection but you’d better have a dude at RB to attack playside! If that block is soft you’re gonna have a messy qb #hogfbchat
A2 #hogfbchat we use the full reach as it fits into our stretch scheme etc minus climb ups. So it reduces some teaching technique etc. I’ve used both and we have ways to call both.
A2) I’ve taught gap protection & turn back. Everyone has the gap to their R or L & if no one shows then they turn & get vertical for any unblocked pressure. #hogfbchat
A2: we tell out play side guards and tackles you need to hook your man and our backside G and T and stepping 45 and picking up anyone who shows. Our Center is what I call the trash man, he picks up any trash seeping throug if uncovered #hogfbchat
A2 back will generally chip/release to help the PST. Really stress pre-snap communication with our backside guys to make it as clean as possible. #hogfbchat
A2: Great Question....we have been reach frontside hinge center back...one area of our stuff that i am examining and contemplating change...looking forward to responses #hogfbchat
That was built into the game plan week to week. If my tackles could zone the ends we were full zone. If it’s something I thought we may struggle with we hinged back. #hogfbchat
A2) I prefer the full reach. If the BS B-gap is open, the BS OT can turn back on anything off the edge. # of backs can be a deciding factor too, depending the action and if they’re needed. The full reach w/ low hats can really sell the OZ/stretch play. #hogfbchat
No doubt some kids can pull it off. A lot of the best NFL guys spend probably half their time in a 2pt...but it makes sense based on who they are and the schemes their teams run #hogfbchat
A2: We are a combo of both. We reach the first gap to the callside. If someone there, reach them, if not-turn back get depth and find work . Some years are better than others, but setting the edge is our biggest key. #hogfbchat
A2: Kind of a combination. We full reach on the front, as use OZ a ton and it looks similar. We do “gate” the backside as needed. We try to be full reach, but some defenses don’t take the bait. #hogfbchat
A2. Full reach usually with a backside L-Gate. Worked out well for us this year except when our guard or tackle on the backside didn't secure inside gap first. #hogfbchat
A2: we've married the 2. All 5 of our lineman have the same rules: 2 slides to the call, then turn back. it moves the edge just enough that the PS DE has to adjust his hips and delays him to the QB. No guy to your gap? Sift back to pickup BS DE #hogfbchat
A2 We don’t run any sprint out or roll out, ours boots are all off play action. If we incorporated would have to be to reach playside gap and hinge, force everything inside of us. #hogfbchat
A2: We haven’t run much sprint game in the past couple years. In years past we’ve “swung the gate” emphasizing the C, BSG and BST get on their levels, be physical and deliver their shots. #hogfbchat
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A2) We have done both over the past few years. Been toying around with maybe merging the two using reach by covered guys turn & waterfall technique starting at the uncovered man. See below tweet. #hogfbchathttps://t.co/snqoncleEN
I've been thinking of doing something like marrying half-slide pass pro philosophy with sprint out. So for example, if we sprint rt all covered OL will full reach but first uncovered guy starts turnback protection. Has anyone done something like this?
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A2: Combination of both. Reaching is our main goal, but take 3 playside steps while looking for work. No work, turn back and look for the kill shot. #hogfbchat
A2: I like full reach by the PST. PSG checks playside gap and will turn back, and check if PSDT is in A-gap. If they’re uncovered, I don’t mind pulling PSG. Center checks and turns back, same with BSG & BST. #FISTfootball#hogfbchat
A2. I have seen it done both ways and in my opinion, totally depends who your working with. Ideally, full reach. Make that thing look like stretch, outside zone. If you don’t have the guys, backside hinge, put the kids in best position to succeed #hogfbchat
A2: Full reach and turn for the playside and “slide gap hinge waterfall” the backside. No one can cross face. Built off of our regular half slide pass pro #hogfbchat
a2 #hogfbchat Have used both. I think it depends on your personnel both mentally and physically. It can be tough to get them to area protect because their tendency is to help out versus seeing with their hands
A2: We would full reach when we tagged routes to our QB Stretch plays. Tried to be sneaky...Got called once for illegal man down field... Dang defensive guys crying! #hogfbchat
A2: I coach 8 man so we usually have them “zone middle” but if we sprint out to one side we reach play side and hinge backside, protect your inside gap #hogfbchat
True. But what I have seen and been taught the last few years...some believe if I give them rep after rep in the chutes I can change pad level, and that couldn't be more wrong. Most adapt for the drill but it doesn't change the way they play #hogfbchat
A2: We prefer the full reach, but have to adjust depending upon our players ability and/or who we are playing. Most of our passing is play action, and we have our linemen block the run play. #hogfbchat
A2: Reach-and-React. I don't like my guys reaching more than 2 steps b/c that creates gaps in protection that invite backers to blitz thru. My queue is "maintain your windows - same size across" #hogfbchat
A2 Reach front side and hinge backside. We have tinkered with this concept on Outside RPO plays as well. Still working out the kinks on this one. #hogfbchat
A2: We use to be turn back but we had to many issues with DL/LB run throughs and OL guys not working down the line on their steps before turn back. Now we use a zone concept. #hogfbchat
A3) I track run game efficiency for our 6-8 major run plays half way through the season and then at the end of the season. Also track runs over 10 yards and negative runs. #hogfbchat
A3: Honestly, I track that stuff over the year then the best way we determine success is how much more improved my guys get. If they end up the season better than they started, I feel like I did my job. #hogfbchat
A3: biggest stat I keep is extra yardage from pile pushing. It's a measurable thing that's positive for the kids and can get runs a couple extra yards #hogfbchat
A3: We use something new I picked up. We use 1st downs, 3rd down conversions, yards per carry, red zone scores and TD's. No loafs, no holds and no sacks. #hogfbchat
A3: wish I could track them better during season. But I would say 3/4th down conversions. Look at effort on blocks and missed assignments. Off season track sacks and scrambles for each protection & which run plays most effective. #hogfbchat
A3. First of all, W’s. We ride or die with our big guys. After that, I’d say rushing yards and sack total. 350 on the ground and no sacks, that’s a good night!!! #hogfbchat
A3 Not stats necessarily. But one year i graded all the plays with a +/-. To make sure they were doing their job. I would not recommend it for game film. Do it with practice film instead. #hogfbchat
a3 #hogfbchat I use no stats. I create a cut film entirely for the OL that has the scripting & both angles. I leave comments on each play for the 5 OL guys. Share it with them & watch together. We cheer the good stuff and address the bad. We also film O practice sessions
A3) This last season was my first with the school. Kept it simple in grading. Used a Google Sheet: +/- for assignment, comment on technique flaws, especially if directly correlated to a -. Tracked Mental Errors and Pancakes. #hogfbchat
I use coaching cues like crazy. Biggest one for me is “Chest on the quads”. It allows players to be mobile while staying low. @CoachPonxAU hammered that one into me when I played at NCC. #hogfbchat
A: Don't have any other stats to track specifically, obviously you have other data to look at like rushing yards, sacks/qb pressure, offensive production/points scored #mtzmade#hogfbchat
A3 We have a 3pt grading system, they can recieve a 1-3 on a play. 1 being they knew where they were going but didn’t execute. 2. Secured the block but did not finish. 3. Perfect Play within the scheme, high energy, finished. #Hogfbchat
A3) We grade based on Effort, Assignment, and Technique because we want to EAT! Other stats to look at for OL imo are sacks allowed, rushing ypg, rushing ypa, and rushing TDs. Another one some might look at is conversions on 3rd and short when calling runs #hogfbchat
A3: outside of pancakes and grading... I love seeing guys reach defenders, getting backside hand to playside shoulder. Also love seeing combos that work, but really that’s all grading still. Off the field it’s weight room attendance B4 + after school (offseason)-grades #hogfbchat
A3. My OL gets rewarded for total offense, rushing yards, preventing sacks and hurries. Pretty much if we are a successful offense it’s on the OL. Then of course grade and count knockdown and pancake blocks. #hogfbchat
A3: we only started counting pancakes this past season. More focused on production stats, like yards per carry, per game, first downs, points scored. They don't tell the whole story, but help keep the main thing the main thing. #hogfbchat
A3. Since we run the ball 97% of the time, rushing yards are the only stat I care about. Don't grade or track pancakes. Run the ball and win that's our plan every week. #hogfbchat
A3) When I grade game film it’s always E.A.T. Effort/Execution, Assignment, Technique. Pancakes never equated into it. We tally them but never factors into film grades. #hogfbchat
A3: Ideally, you want your guys to appreciate the process of each play. How do they hold themselves to expectations so that grading only affirms what they know. Do they get into a stance w/intent? Do they use mental/physical gifts to be active participants in plays? #hogfbchat
A3. Interested in learning more ways. During Camp, we use a "physicality chart" and they get an X if I think they were physical and finishing blocks during practice. Got the idea from Bob Wylie #hogfbchat
A3: Other than individual grades and pancakes, we have a goal to get at least 1 first down each series. We also keep track of mental errors and LOE's. The goal is to hold each other accountable for eliminating these. #hogfbchat
A3: We don't really "grade" our guys as much as we look for the 3 E's. Did he play this play with great effort? Did he execute properly? Did he do it with great enthusiasm? 3 E's by 5 guys usually results in 6 pointers or explosion plays. It makes everyone happy. #hogfbchat
A3: Run Play Efficiency: 1st Down - 4 yards+ 2nd Down - gain at least 1/2 yards to gain 3rd Down - convert 4th Down - convert. All TDs obviously efficient. If inside the 5, all plays that gain yardage are efficient. #hogfbchat
A3: We tracked “work” for many years. Doing your job is great. But did you look for work, did you do work and finish, did someone have to work harder because of you. #hogfbchat
A3) cont… But in the past I’ve also charted hustle plays, good things happen when you hustle to the football! I’ve also chatted picking up our skill guys off the ground, regardless of it was a negative play or big gain. Build that protective mentality! #hogfbchat
A3) This last season was my first with the school. Kept it simple in grading. Used a Google Sheet: +/- for assignment, comment on technique flaws, especially if directly correlated to a -. Tracked Mental Errors and Pancakes. #hogfbchat
A3: honestly don't care about stats. We grade on assignment and execution. Stats to me can be misleading. Can have tons of rushing yards but several missed blocks or lots of sacks but QB sitting on ball etc... #hogfbchat
HSSocialMedia : RT CoachSilvernail: CoachDingus A3: Honestly, I track that stuff over the year then the best way we determine success is how much more improved my guys get. If they end up the season better than they started, I feel like I did my job. #hogfbchat
A3: Our OL goals stay the same from week-to-week. No sacks, 3 or less penalties and average 5+ yards a carry. If we can do that we should win an a lot of games. #hogfbchat
A3: I like to look at 3rd and short efficiency. We averaged over 5 ypc but only picked up around 18% of 3rd and 3 or less when we ran. For us, ypc was deceptive stat. We struggled in situations where the defense expected run in year 1 which means a big focus in year 2 #hogfbchat
A3: Haven’t coached offense in a while. Not sure what would be an efficient stat... I’m thinking something like yards until first contact, tracking the line of scrimmage? Hoping someone else has something #HogFbChat
A3: Champion block for driving a man 5+ yards, killshots for knocking a guy down on a pull/trap, and 300 yards rushing gets ice cream sammiches for the squad!#hogfbchat
A3: yards per carry, but my new favorite this year was play efficiency...parameters: 1st - gain 4or more 2nd - gain half the distance or more needed for a 1st down 3rd&4th - conversion is an efficient play. Broke it down by run/pass or by down isn’t just for OL #hogfbchat
#Hogfbchat A3. Yards per carry/ I tag our hudl and we can look and see if certain plays are getting us the desired yardage (4) we don’t grade film so much as we use it to highlight or correct
A3: I’m not big on grades. And pancakes are fun to show on Monday film session but all the stats we care about are TEAM Stats. We started giving out stickers this year and line would get one for every TD and every 100yards rushing etc. #hogfbchat
I didn’t know there was another way to track stats for O-linemen besides pancakes but they do need to feel like they are the most important unit to the offense. Using another way to show them they are successful will surely improve play or learning. #hogfbchat
Please do coach. We had awards too for guys who won week to week. Kids would always come up to us Saturday before film trying to convince me of certain plays for their work score! 😂 #hogfbchat
A3: traditional grading for executing the right assignments and finishing a block. Also, for my own benefit Hudl allows us to see when and how long our kids are studying cut-ups/film study. Let's me know who's invested #hogfbchat
We do use aiming points, especially with the amount of down blocking we employ. We're adding a piece to it this fall after contact that will hopefully lead to more movement on those blocks #hogfbchat
Mine would chuck it out window! LOL my youngest & wine got her occupied with little later dinner. She is NOT a fan of Social Media when we are together wants my full attention. Shhhh #hogfbchat
A3: QB hurries (and Sacks of course). This season adding yds per carry, explaining the 'schedule concept' to my dudes. Gotta stay on schedule - 3rd and long is death #hogfbchat
A3 - with our 7th graders we made it our mantra that we only track two stats: wins and losses. As a staff we primarily focused on technique, showing successes and failures in film study and teaching the importance of all 11 men doing their job. We > Me #HogFbChat
A3) cont… I have always tracked those things in some way, shape, or form before. However, I have to give credit to my asst. OL/TEs Coach @DanielsWh9 for helping me streamline my data this season. Soooo much smoother. #hogfbchat
A3) This last season was my first with the school. Kept it simple in grading. Used a Google Sheet: +/- for assignment, comment on technique flaws, especially if directly correlated to a -. Tracked Mental Errors and Pancakes. #hogfbchat
Heard an interesting perspective on blocking dominant defensive linemen. A coach said it’s easier to run at them and double, than to reach or scoop block them with one guy. What are your thoughts?#hogfbchat
A3 #HogFbChat will be trying to track yards before contact this coming season. I track how many times a back has to pick themselves up after a play and we do an updown for each one on Mondays. Accountability = hustle
I'm agnostic to Sprint out. Been successful with it and without. Current HC and OC feel about it like you do so one less thing for me to worry about. #hogfbchat
A3: From the defensive side of things, we want to control plays <10 yards and limiting points on sudden change - I see great benefit to having those as offensive goals. Have to respect teams willing to take shots and use momentum #hogfbchat
A3) Yards per carry and line gained yards...
I like seeing how many yards that the OL drives off the DL... take the average of each OL re-establishing the LOS. Encourages keeping blocks engaged downfield
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Okay okay but it was her choice to cook tonight. But No wants to try new Beef Stroganoff recipe instead of my grilled cheese & tomato soup Go Figure ##hogfbchat
a4 #hogfbchat We d/c on the few drop back protections we use. The goal is always to rip our hand off the deck, create space, and maintain a 1/2 man relationship at all times
You can get better at many other things if you eliminate it. Naked protection is a "free grade" to OL. Make it easy on those guys, and you still get your athletic QB on the edge. You are exactly right. We get better at screens/PAP/run schemes instead #hogfbchat
A4) I prefer kick, but will settle for vertical sets.
Really I want them to know both, and for the partner OL to know what they will do at a given time so they are prepared for counter moves
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A4: coaches both feel the kick slide allows you to have a strong base in order to be physical in pass pro. But the Vert set allows you to see what the defense is doing in front of you. Both are good just depends what you want out of pass pro #hogfbchat
A3 best grade also receives the hog ball for the week, we put the week and the player that won it. At end of year we give OL of Year award and they recieve the hog ball. Bragging rights for the week was huge among our OL! Pride in it was awesome! #hogfbchat
A4: both. Mostly kickslide. We will vert with the T to our slide side as G kicks. Closes B gap and allows time/vision to pick up any twists. #hogfbchat
A4) kick slide! Again personal bias, got abused a few games back pedaling for the 60th time in a game! Would rather my guys get to be aggressive and make contact with better athletes sooner. #hogfbchat
A4: depends on the speed of the guy we are facing. I also teach both so the dline doesn't know what to expect, gives our guys a couple tools to use. #hogfbchat
A4: teach and drill both. Give the guys the tools necessary to adapt to the situation. I’m a big fan of the angle kick as well to cut off a wide rusher, make him try to cross your face and when he does, destroy him #hogfbchat
Q4: I feel like kick slide gives my kids the best chance for success. Kids can punch and reset, which helps them prepare for move 2 from pass rusher. Also feel like it’s a great way to incorporate drive/catch teaching from @OLineWorld65#hogfbchat
A4: I’ve worked for head coaches who have made me do both with our line. I’ll choose kick/slide every time. I believe you can be more versatile both in scheme and technique this way. Vert sets feel passive. #hogfbchat
A4: prefer kickslide as its what i was always taught. can turn into a vertical set angle as recovery if the end starts getting upfield fast. Also really like the aggressive quickset with smaller guys, Howard Mudd discusses the pros of it in his book #hogfbchat
A4) Kick slide to the PS & vertical set at our C/BSG spots in our basic half-slide/half-man pro. However the vertical set, depending on front/tightness of shades/protection scheme can be EXTREMELY helpful if used correctly. That’s also the old Center in me talking haha #hogfbchat
A4: this one is easy, neither. We used @OLineWorld65 drive catch and used @CoachHand christmas tree drill to cover the different angles at which we could set. Drill covers landmarks at which an OL can set to take away certain types of rushes. #hogfbchat
Q4 we drive catch to the appropriate angle. Focusing on getting out of our stance with violent intent. Create space. Focus getting knee to crotch and from there mentally ready to handle pressure to pressure #hogfbchat
A4: love this Q! I teach my Ts A, B, and C kick. “A kick” is based on a tight alignment, either head up or a VERY tight 5. It’s a straight horizontal step. Loose 5 to just outside is your traditional 45° kick, “B-kick”. WIDE DE gets a “C-kick” which is vertical. #hogfbchat
A4: Does your QB have a big arm and you have some beef up front? Vertical Set. It’s extremely frustrating to pass rush versus a Vertical Set. The better OL (skill set/athleticism) you have, I would kick slide. You have more answers #hogfbchat
A4- #hogfbchat teach both techniques. Tackles will vertical set while we kickslide interior. If they have a heavy tech they kick slide to head up (we refer to this as a heavy set) if they r the edge protector with a 5 tech etc we vertical set (we call this a speed set)
A4. Depends on what protection we have called. I teach my athletes both so we adjust to the defensive lineman or blitzing backers! But I prefer kick slide because we run a lot of quick game protection! #hogfbchat
We take pride in cut blocking. We would actually cut barrels in our padded practices. Guys got so fired up about it on Friday night I started charting them on Saturdays. I even did an up-down for ever successful cut block my right tackle got.
A4) Drive/Catch. Working the 45 degree angle putting FTTG in order to put the outside knee to the crotch of the defender. I simply say “pass set” #hogfbchat#OLPBTD
A4: Oh man, vertical set all day! Get depth, let them show you what they are gonna do and sort it out. Big time "beat him to the spot" guy. If he tries to cross come underneath, stick your foot in the ground, ear hole and drive. #hogfbchat
A4: oh this is the question I’ve seen line coaches fight over....
It all depends how much you throw- how much 5 step you run- etc I have done both and I like them both for different reasons. Where I am now we are kick slide /pound the post #hogfbchat
Drive catch! How vertical the set is will depend on the pass rusher. We equip our players with tools in their toolbox and allow them to pick the best tool to use #hogfbchat
Grade every play with a plus/minus system and record knockdowns. Share grades during film day after game. I like to provide a copy of grade sheets to players for film. #hogfbchat
A4: If you're gonna routinely vertical set, you better have good body control & a strong understanding of angles. If you're gonna kick slide, you better have good lateral agility, timing and a strong inside hand. Either way, all about evaluation of your talent. #hogfbchat
A4: I teach both depending on the athlete playing and their strengths and weaknesses. Begin by teaching kickslide--i believe is easier with pass pro fundys, then adjust as the year/career goes on. How can they be most successful--i will teach that. #hogfbchat
Q4: I have taught both and like aspects of both. I prefer the Kickslide after hearing Paul Alexander teach it at the Midwest Lineman Camp. I feel it meshes very well with our protection scheme and what we see from defenses. #mtzmade#hogfbchat
A4 cond #hogfbchat on the heavy set get head up & mirror (fist fight on Los don’t let them push pocket) speed set strong out the fence and make them run around it while protecting inside move
A4: also prefer a violent strike and hold to go with the quickset compared to a multiple punch approach. however if they attempt to swim punch through ribs and pull out some innerds #Hogfbchat
That’s us Jack we are usually 1 or 3 Step so vertices fits. If longer we are play- action. 2 glass of wine is slowing her down. I am going to make it 2 chats 1 night. Man Power shhh don’t let her hear #hogfbchat
A4: Personally, I prefer a kick slide at our level. Makes a DE show quick mental processing to recognize spacing & a counter move to get inside vs Vertical set where he can get in on a kid or run around him. #hogfbchat
A4: Every yr different - depends on athleticism and reflex actions (and Brains). If my guys can't handle a switch call on a loop/twist or can't maintain space b/c they're chasing I'll go to vertical sets #hogfbchat
A1. Love 2pt but if you lack lower body strength and flexibility it seems to result in poor pad level and false steps, at least for newcomers. #hogfbchat
I should probably amend my Q4 answer a little. I'm huge on vertical set for our 5 step concepts but for quick game I'm more get hands on so they don't get up. Ball should be out too quick for pressure to happen anyway. "should" #hogfbchat
A4: neither...we do very little dropback passing, so I lean in favor of aggressive slide protection for quick game...other than that we are PAP or RPO or maybe a screen or sprintout...dont spend time teaching techniques that give ground to the enemy #hogfbchat
A4: We did more 5 man protection this year so I we did Kickslide. Helped our tackles for sure. Looking at doing split protection next year, any one have tips let me know!!! #hogfbchat
A4: We used to be a kick team, but we have transitioned to the drive/catch much more recently. Have seen vast improvement with it. Personal preference though. #Hogfbchat
I'm not a vertical set fan. I don't use the term kick slide. Drive catch from @OLineWorld65 . Don't preach set angle. Guards have to set depth of pocket so they can't get as deep as tackles. Trying to get outside knee to crotch. #hogfbchat
Vertical set with a Drive Reach techniques. Create space between you and the DL, giving them the opportunity to make a mistake. Once they make a decision, react and dominate #hogfbchat
A4: Both. “Tools in our toolbox!” Tackles will vertical...almost always interior will kick. We played a team in the playoffs that loved their stunts so that week we chose to vertical set across the board to keep everything in front of us. #hogfbchat
A4: As Howard Mudd said in book, Why on Earth would you want to give a generally better athlete more space to work with? D'brick Ferguson was big on stopping the DL before their 3rd step hits the ground #hogfbchat
A4: Where we are at our kids are very elementary. We adapt and overcome. Don’t believe in teaching a vertical step because it’s the it thing. Stay within to players ability. #hogfbchat
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A4 Bonus: my guards will NEVER B or C kick. Getting too much depth at the interior isn’t good for the QB. Puts them right in his lap and messes up his mechanics. It works in the Tony Franklin System, I’m just not a fan. Stonewall at 2 yards, tackles can run DE past. #hogfbchat
A4: love this Q! I teach my Ts A, B, and C kick. “A kick” is based on a tight alignment, either head up or a VERY tight 5. It’s a straight horizontal step. Loose 5 to just outside is your traditional 45° kick, “B-kick”. WIDE DE gets a “C-kick” which is vertical. #hogfbchat
#hogfbchat A4: neither. Aggressive pad down run block for 3 steps. We run the ball so if we’re gonna throw, we want you to believe we’re still running.
A4: Where we are at our kids are very elementary. We adapt and overcome. Don’t believe in teaching a vertical set. because it’s the it thing. Stay within to players ability. #hogfbchat
Some of you TFS guys may have to enlighten me but I’ve never understood the mindset of vertical setting and giving better athletes more space to work...i want them to think every play is a run. #hogfbchat
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A4) cont…Loooove teaching the vertical set to my centers vs odd fronts. Made a living off of that back in the day. It can make life a heck of a lot easier. Especially for those new to the center spot. #hogfbchat
A4) Kick slide to the PS & vertical set at our C/BSG spots in our basic half-slide/half-man pro. However the vertical set, depending on front/tightness of shades/protection scheme can be EXTREMELY helpful if used correctly. That’s also the old Center in me talking haha #hogfbchat
A4 1. Get Depth and some width (from LOS to defender.) 2. Stay Square (to the defender, feet staggered, keep knees inside feet.) 3. Hands (in launch pos. Arms bend elbows tgt in rib cage, thumbs stuck in the lower chest) 4. Aiming Point (Inside point of defender) #hogfbchat
5. Timing of Punch (smell his breath, sink hips, snap wrists, punch with palms.) 6. Get separation ( Arm rod and chest behind the feet with a ram rod back) 7. Finish (the block, keep scurry the feet and fight the hands inside, keep hips pressed.) #HogFbChat
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On the flip side, creating space between the OL and DL gives the OL time to react and I’ve never seen an OL get beat by a pass rush move when the DL is three feet away. One of @OLineWorld65 main tenets of pass pro is create space. Different ways of thinking! #hogfbchat
That’s why I came to love efficiency stat...however looking at YPC at the end of the year is a valid data set, we were able to average 6.2ypc on 408 carries, I’ll take that #hogfbchat
A1: 3 point...better posture to establish the run. If you’re a team that is going to sling it around, 2-point. However, I believe teaching 3-point in the spring. If you can pass set from 3, you can from 2. #hogfbchat
At the HS i was we had a great strengthen coach who did a lot of hip flexibility but I’d rather be great at one set before moving into something else. Maximize practice time! #hogfbchat
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A2: started out in full reach, then changed to turn back. Noticed that DL were reading the reach, and their rule is to not get reached. We had trouble securing the edge and went to turn back. DL tended to be more hesitant off the ball #hogfbchat
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A2: front side reach and run, BS uncovered sift and turn back. Don’t block grass on the backside, go hunt the hunters. (This could be the C vs an over front BTW!) #hogfbchat
A3: yards per carry and qb hurry. I will also calculate how much time we have to throw on dropback. I particularly look at this on sacks , scrambles, and hurries. #hogfbchat
A4: angle/jump set (so kickslide you might say). Too many variables to go “wrong” IMO in verticals (though good for pickup on T-E and E-T games). Plus I like my guys to be on the DL before they get on us. Mess up his plan of attack. #hogfbchat
I have found the more defenders we put on the ground, the more yards we gain. Our mentality is to dominate physically every play while using great technique. #hogfbchat
A4: really an angled set. I’ve been around vertical set and it wasn’t my preference. I felt that a lot of kids didn’t truly set vertically but to the qb. Chose angled set to maintain pocket integrity. Posture can be aggressive in quick game #hogfbchat
A4- both. In our quick game we are slide because we don’t want to give my ground with the qb shallow in the pocket. Deeper developing routes we kick set and make the pocket. Important to strike with hands and not head when you do finally make contact to avoid whiffs #hogfbchat
A3: first step! Stepping with the right foot and to your correct assignment sets up everything else. Big time cuts also. Did you lay out or fall in front of him? #hogfbchat
I've found the same thing about chutes. If they're too high and have bad hip/ankle mobility they just bend at the waist which opens up a new can of worms. #hogfbchat
A1: I’m a firm believer in leverage and pad level. 3 pt all the time. Try not to give away run/pass tendencies. If I had a stacked, nasty group...I might go back to 2. But I’ve found 3 is much better #HogFbChat
A3: I keep track of percentages on blocking DL, PSLB, BSLB separately. Penetrators, Pin, Plug, Pursuit #R4 style. The kids have 4 opportunities to compete over their grades. Then pancakes are totally separate. #HogFbChat
Personally I like vertical sets. Allows DL games, stunts, blitzes to play into your hands. But it depends on what kind of OL I have each year. This past year our MO was kick 2 steps and fight like hell. Don’t give up the inside. Kicking was easier for us #HogFbChat
A3: Grade on assignment and technique. Keep track of pancakes, chops/cut blocks, sacks. Have a snacks not sacks deal. No sacks my wife makes snacks for the boys. Way to a big man’s heart through his stomach! #Hogfbchat
A1: Prefer 3 but sometimes 2 is better. For example our RT had trouble getting comfortable with his right hand down. We don’t believe in right sided players putting the left hand down. Also in obvious passing situations when our Guys wanted to do 2. #hogfbchat
A3: not usually a fan, unless one of our coaches knows them. What are their credentials? We work almost year round. They still need time to be kids. @PRIMEath is a great asset that we send players to. Former coach that runs the only OL training facility in the SE. #hogfbchat
