#DevDiscuss Archive

Tuesday June 5, 2018
9:00 PM EDT
  • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • kvlly Jun 5 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Because you really want to hear yet another opinion on the GitHub + Microsoft acquisition: I'm bored. Let's talk about something else. #DevDiscuss
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    I don't see a big deal about this acquisition but their history with acquisitions haven't been the best when it came to application lifetime #ripwunderlist #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • etresoft Jun 5 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Not worried at all. I already host my e-mail with MS. It is cheap, rock-solid, with advanced features like custom domains. I've been a Mac developer for over 20 years and I've never understood all the MS hate. In many respects, I'm envious. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylegalbraith
  • bendhalpern Jun 5 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    The history of open source is practically a religion. For right or wrong, this was bound to strike a nerve with some. #DevDiscuss GitHub itself as a massive company controlling so much in the space already irked the folks most irked by this outcome.
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • shannon_crabill Jun 5 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • DeerTai Jun 5 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    Interesting #DevDiscuss question. I think it is due to years of having the old Microsoft around and before the current CEO start a change in direction/culture. Possibly also due to super fanboys that believe that Microsoft can't do wrong. Myself? No. As long as Github survives
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • DanFellini Jun 5 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    I really do think Microsoft is a different company than some of us have known in our earlier lives. That said, my fear isn't necessarily about Microsoft owning Github, but about Microsoft buying the company for $7.5 billion.... How will they recoup their investment? #DevDiscuss
  • _nlowe Jun 5 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    I think a lot of this is spawned by the historical distrust of Microsoft towards OSS. They've gotten better the last few years, but people still feel important decisions are being made in things like #dotnetcore without much input from the community. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    My biggest concern is that MS is going to do to GitHub what it did to Skype #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • _nlowe Jun 5 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    @ThePracticalDev personally, I'm not sure what to feel. @github needed a buyout badly, and of the larger companies out there that can front the cache MS is **probably** the best option. Color me cautiously optimistic? #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @github
  • AlexGwartney Jun 5 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    I would say I am in between. I just don't want to see happen to what happened to Skype. Where they started making a million changes that made it terrible to use. Or start making changes such as charging devs to use it ect. #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Jun 5 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Aquisitions and change happen. It will either work out, or it won't. Not much sense in getting worked up over it. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • living_syn Jun 5 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss because people still think MS under nadella is the same as MS under ballmer. It's not. If you haven't read 'hit refresh', you should
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • daveaglick Jun 5 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    Guess what? I pushed some commits to GitHub today! Just like yesterday, and the day before that. And probably like tomorrow. Until that actually changes, it seems silly to wildly speculate on what may or may not happen. Even sillier to change behavior. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    Needless to say the GitHub acquisition was a much-discussed topic on https://t.co/Y3ci01RF0e If you somehow missed it and care to see what people have been saying, here are some of the posts: #DevDiscuss
  • waterproofheart Jun 5 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    I am still in my feelings about Microsoft acquiring my favorite calendar app (at the time), Sunrise; rolling some of its the features into Outlook and then shutting down Sunrise :( https://t.co/dH7Yg7YLoW #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • jmdembe Jun 5 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    I will take a crack at this: -Microsoft was hostile to open source, then became open source friendly and doing that so quickly has made people suspicious -folks don’t like it when huge corporations get into things that were once independent movements. -nah. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • johnwoodruff91 Jun 5 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    My strong opinion is that some people overreact with nearly anything related to Microsoft. I've got friends who refuse to try @code because it was built by Microsoft. I think the acquisition will be great. It ends a period of turmoil in GitHub. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @code
  • derekjhopper Jun 5 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    I'm not sure. I used to loathe Microsoft as well, but recently they've won me over. VS Code & TypeScript are huge contributions from them. As a community, I think they've earned at least a chance. We should remember that GitHub wasn't doing all that great lately. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    OMG!! I completely forgot sunrise faced the same fate as Wunderlist. Good point there #devdiscuss
    In reply to @waterproofheart, @ThePracticalDev
  • shannon_crabill Jun 5 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Yeah, I'm still bitter about Wunderlist, yet, I saw it coming :( #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @waterproofheart, @ThePracticalDev
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Also, I wonder if Microsoft will be willing to support two code editors or if they’ll fold @AtomEditor into @code. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • waterproofheart Jun 5 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    At least GitHub has such a critical mass of the market that they can't just sunset it like Sunrise and Wunderlist? Right? But I do wonder if GitHub at its core will remain the same post-acquisition. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @KPath001, @ThePracticalDev
  • GitGudGG Jun 5 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Also #githubexodus #devdiscuss
    • GitGudGG Jun 5 @ 8:54 PM EDT
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  • shannon_crabill Jun 5 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    No strong opinions but I do not like seeing the dev community so upset. Ultimately, I want to see github do well and I hope Microsoft can do that #DevDiscuss
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    OOOH!! That's right @AtomEditor is a github product! I wonder if that was one of the few things microsoft was eyeing for this acquisition #devdiscuss
    In reply to @IgnoreIntuition, @AtomEditor, @code, @AtomEditor
  • IBeRenascent Jun 5 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    Better Microsoft then Oracle buying them 🥁 Seriously, I have no issue with Microsoft buying them (How many of us are using VSCode and TS?). I'm more afraid of their name driving others away and decentralizing the main hub of open source contributors #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Only time can tell us at this point. Seeing how Bitbucket and GitLabs are opening up to developers and projects looking to leave github #devdiscuss
    In reply to @waterproofheart, @ThePracticalDev
  • derekjhopper Jun 5 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    That's a good point. Part of me feels like it's inevitable the two will merge somehow (makes sense as a business). I'm not sure how I feel about it. What do you think will happen? #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @IgnoreIntuition, @AtomEditor, @code
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    At the very least some sly smirks were exchanged about this. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @KPath001, @AtomEditor, @code
  • yechielk Jun 5 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    I think this tweet best sums up my feelings on the topic: https://t.co/Hs1SdUrmQ2 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
    • dorkitude Jun 3 @ 8:54 PM EDT
      As a developer and long-time GitHub user, I responded to the news that Microsoft has acquired GitHub with a sigh of relief. It was never totally certain the service would will stay online forever — and now I believe it is.
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    I do wonder if Microsoft will incorporate github pages into linkedin somehow. Thoughts? Professionals getting the ability to host their own portfolio pages #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • aeroradish Jun 5 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    MS under Nadella is worlds away from Ballmer. The focus on Azure and open-source has reinvigorated the ecosystem. I'm doing things now with Azure, Docker, Cognitive Services and .NET Core that are efficient, inexpensive and FUN! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    I don’t think it bodes well for Atom #devdiscuss
    In reply to @derekjhopper, @AtomEditor, @code
  • MiffPengi Jun 5 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    Honestly the thing I'm more afraid about Microsoft embracing (and what comes after) is Blink/Chromium/Webkit and V8 in the form of Electron. #DevDiscuss
  • KPath001 Jun 5 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    I guess that might close the debate on @AtomEditor vs @code hahaha #devdiscuss
    In reply to @IgnoreIntuition, @derekjhopper, @AtomEditor, @code, @AtomEditor, @code
  • tsouchlarakis Jun 5 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • adambrandizzi Jun 5 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    Here is something I didn't know: GitHub was struggling. And was cheap. Another reason for cautiously liking the acquisition? #DevDiscuss
    • JohnONolan Jun 5 @ 7:24 PM EDT
      No CEO for almost a year, internal war over direction, multiple scandals, not profitable, strong competition from Gitlab, no path to more funding without a down-round. $7.5b pales in comparison to $26b for LinkedIn - on so many different fronts (revenue and IP alone)
      In reply to @codinghorror, @ekryski
  • daveaglick Jun 5 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    Another thought: I’m disappointed by folks leaving. Normally I’m very pro-competition, but GitHub is as much about network effect as it is the product. I truly believe them nailing the UX, then attracting a critical mass of devs b/c of it, is what made OSS take off. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Maybe I’ll just say screw it and go back to VIM #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @AtomEditor, @code
  • FizzyInTheHall Jun 5 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    One of the gotchas for this acquisition is how enterprises see this. Most enterprises have a mix of private and public repos. I'd be loathe to put a private repo on GitHub now in a way I didn't before. #devdiscuss
  • shannon_crabill Jun 5 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    Very interesting idea. Sounds similar to what Adobe did with Behance (but better?) #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @KPath001, @ThePracticalDev
  • bendhalpern Jun 5 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A good number of people who will leave (which will be a number smaller than those who say they will) were probably already looking for a good reason to get off a centralized platform. The decentralization of git vs the centralization of GitHub has always been a thing #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @daveaglick
  • waterproofheart Jun 5 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Yikes! Did you see the part about how they lost all Sidekick user data and had to restore from a month old backup? 😳 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @dgtlrift, @ThePracticalDev
  • ASpittel Jun 5 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    Honestly, @code is phenomenal, Windows has made huge strides in being developer friendly, and they have some seriously badass developers on staff. I'm pretty optimistic about this deal. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • IgnoreIntuition Jun 5 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    Or Adobe *cringe* #devdiscuss
    In reply to @IBeRenascent, @ThePracticalDev
  • cathodion Jun 5 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss I admit I have an anti-microsoft bias, but I was rooting for GitHub to continue to exist as an independent company. I knew they were venture funded, but assumed they had IPO'd by now.
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kylegalbraith Jun 5 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    I 100% agree with this. Microsoft has made huge strides since Nadella took over and I think this will end up being a very awesome collaboration. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ASpittel, @code
  • Brandon_Hinds Jun 5 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    People still view Microsoft as how it was a few years ago. They’ve actually changed e.g. They now embrace open source I don’t have a really strong opinion on it. As long as GitHub doesn’t suffer. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • hubedav Jun 5 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    There’s something to be said about someone as big as MS (borderline monopoly) buying GitHub, but for me it’s mainly that I don’t fully trust MS (in pretty much all facets) #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • living_syn Jun 5 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss just remember that MS buying github means that oracle didn't...
  • fgandiya Jun 5 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    AFAIK MS burned a lot of devs in its early years making it hard to trust em. Some of their aquizitions didn't go so well and people are scared GH will fail too. Then again, MS is Diving into open source and Xamrain is doing well so maybe it isn't that bad? We'll see. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • swesley_perth Jun 5 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Opinion: predictive brackets/quotes in code editors are not very good at predicting what I need #devdiscuss
  • derekjhopper Jun 5 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    My brain keeps telling me there was an article about GitHub trying to IPO in the last year or so, but I know that's wrong. It just feels like it should've happened. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @cathodion, @ThePracticalDev
  • Programazing Jun 5 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Check out my website/blog at https://t.co/4DAQVTUa1s #DevDiscuss
  • jmdembe Jun 5 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Right! I won’t freak out, but the idea of putting some money behind open source could be a good thing. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @adambrandizzi, @ThePracticalDev
  • seanwbehan Jun 5 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    I don't like seeing such a large corporation with control over an open platform. It basically makes GitHub a commercial platform rather than an open platform. They don't have the best interests of the small developers in mind #movingtogitlab #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    In the last few minutes of #DevDiscuss, anybody have any news to share, like a project or a personal win, or any other announcement?
  • hubedav Jun 5 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    I can’t even begin to imagine what that’d look/work like, but it sounds cool. 🤔 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @KPath001, @ThePracticalDev
  • ASpittel Jun 5 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    I wrote a sudoku solving script this week that works pretty efficiently even on super hard sudokus. I had this as a programming project in college and failed despite a lot of effort, so it feels really awesome years later to get it right! #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:52 PM EDT
      In the last few minutes of #DevDiscuss, anybody have any news to share, like a project or a personal win, or any other announcement?
  • ASpittel Jun 5 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    I'm planning to write about it this week, so stay tuned! #DevDiscuss
  • cathodion Jun 5 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Taking VC really seems like a commitment to build a target for acquisition. The IPOs are the rare unicorns. There's nothing wrong with building something to be acquired, but startups often give their users a false sense of independence in their early days. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @celgrac, @derekjhopper, @ThePracticalDev
  • kylegalbraith Jun 5 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    I am working on some awesome new posts around AWS and Elasticbeanstalk, stay tuned! For now, you can grab a copy of my ebook + video course to accelerate your learning of AWS for 35% off. https://t.co/8HBXfPNqkK #DevDiscuss
  • cdrrazan Jun 5 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    I think the kind of nature that Github should be is neutral and a common platform. But being brought by some big company defies that purpose and I strongly feel that the image of Microsoft with prev. acquisition wasn't that good. That's why people are having sides. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Jun 5 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Tonight's #DevDiscuss topic (as voted on by the people) is... GitHub + Microsoft Let's start with a couple questions: Why do people have such strongly held views on this subject? Do YOU have a strong opinion on the acquisition?
  • shannon_crabill Jun 5 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    I submitted my speaker proposal for @githubuniverse last week #DevDiscuss