#espechat Archive
Tuesday March 29, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
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this evening, my name is Seth Martin and I will be moderating our discussion on tension and alignment tonight.
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Who do we have joining us tonight? Where are you from?
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Kash Aleem from Katy, TX
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Welcome to the chat Kash!
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Judy from Annapolis MD checking in
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Hi Judy great to have you!
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Looking forward to getting all our thoughts and ideas aligned, HaHa
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT
We will be using standard Q and A format with Q# and A# please be sure to include Q# and
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to your answers.
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Tonight we will be focusing on developing our understanding of Standard 2.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Are we ready for the topic of "Muscular Tension and Alignment in
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" ?
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT
We will spend about 5-7 minutes per subject then move to the next topic/question.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Q1: What is Alignment?
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SchleiderJustin
Mar 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1 The curriculum with the standards.
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1 Alignment is the position that the body is set up in to aim at a target.
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1 alignment in relation to the body or something else?
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT
More specifically alignment in regards to your body.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1.
@PEDL_K5
states-The arrangement or position of parts in a straight line or so they are in proper relative position
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Great explanation
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https://t.co/JEyUwv7ktH
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1.
@PEDL_K5
states-The arrangement or position of parts in a straight line or so they are in proper relative position
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A1. Aligment also contributes to our ability to balance, if out of alignment we usually tend toward falling,so apply to all skills
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Question 2 coming soon...
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A1: sometimes called stacking aligning the body to take advantage of it's structural strengths.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Q2: How do we approach alignment in dance or tumbling lessons? Other types of lessons?
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Proper approach and footwork also play a huge role in staying aligned.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1: proper alignment also can prevent injury
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1 posture and ability to squeeze muscles helps with alignment and balance.
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SchleiderJustin
Mar 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3 throwing. Step toward target elbow up etc.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
Agreed
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A2 Alignment in tumbling is easily spotted when Ss roll of the mat or to a certain side, esp in forward roll. Weaker in 1 arm.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A1: in a handstand alignment can create stability and improve balance.
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2 tumbling- body parts are straight by squeezing tightly to muscles. Being loose can cause improper alignment and form
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2 Using the lane markers helps with alignment on the bowling carpets.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Ok where else might alignment have an impact in performance?
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
pushing their hands down on the mat will help with form and avoid head touching the mat
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Could possibly add in symmetry and asymmetry affects on staying aligned or more tension.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT
What activities do those coaching focus on body alignment?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2. Striking with foot-Body aligned w/plant foot traveling forward to apply force to the ball
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Question 3 on its way
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PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
A2 Use
@HudlTechnique
2 draw in the lines of the body alignment & where the goal is 2 be.
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@Physedmanrising
I agree, that's the technique taught, but st they have bad habits and favor 1 arm. They reflect during vid pb.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@PE4Life_Spencer
@HudlTechnique
awesome yes!!
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Q3: What is Muscular tension?
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Particularly in a
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environment!
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A3 Muscles remain semi-contracted for an extended period.
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT
When a muscle is engaged and maintained in a contraction.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT
What would muscular tension help create? Why would we use it?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A3. using opposing muscles to keep body part tight, contracted and aligned
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Increases muscular endurance. Being able to hold own body weight. Planks, wall sits, ect
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3; Muscular tension is contraction or semi contraction of muscles can create stability.
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PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3 We use Jungle Gyms when talking about Muscular Endurance & Muscle Tension
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https://t.co/X7v6YYi3Y4
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT
Don't get tense, Question 4 coming
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
when would that be beneficial?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Pike position in Diving as well as the entry hold tension through out the core
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT
Q4: How do you approach muscular tension during a dance or tumbling lesson? In other types of lessons?
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT
Matt from So Cal Stopping in. We got some wet weather at baseball and had to cancel!
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
join in
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A4. Static Balances require muscular tension
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT
What moves use muscular tension?
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A4 I should talk more about tension during tumbling. Focus more on it during my circuit training unit.
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Keeping core and/or other body parts still during gymn. is important. Legs in head stand/handstand for example.
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PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A4 Gymnastics Tripod or any other type of Static Balancing. Also Parallel Bar skills
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A4 mindset, approach and relaxation
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT
Think Core too how can tension in you core be beneficial?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A4. Dance will use muscular tension in many of their expressive movements and poses
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
As
@DeanKriellaars
suggested, learning to center yourself to avoid injury.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
If you teach partner dance, core tension allows body to maintain upright position and the toes dont get stomped
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT
Question 5 almost here
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT
A4: in transitions in gymnastics tension and relaxation can help move from one thing to another such as balance to a roll.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT
Q5: What are some activities you use when teaching tumbling and gymnastics that involve muscular tension?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Yes, all transitions, even running requires you to keep tension in your core
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
A5) Tripod (3rd grade), Headstand/handstand (6-8). Also, elements 4 forward roll (3rd) and cartwheel/roundoff (6-8)
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
great point!!!
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A5. Log Roll requires Ss to tighten all through their core or rotation is not achieved
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Physedmanrising
Mar 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A5 foward roll, handstands, partner balance activities, balance on beams, walking cans and candlestick
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PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A5 Ss learn skills 4 Vaulting Horse, Balance Beam, & Parallel Bars
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https://t.co/Nwrm5EtMTK
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT
Judy is on a roll!!
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https://t.co/ApT4ZP7U18
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A5. Log Roll requires Ss to tighten all through their core or rotation is not achieved
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Where else do you involve muscular tension in
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?
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@Physedmanrising
Partner balance activities, forgot about those...
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@PE4Life_Spencer
Can you give us a couple examples
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@Physedmanrising
great point without muscular tension heads might meet and balances will fail!!
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A5. How about Archery and the tension involved prior to release
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Sometimes this is the skill my students have the worst alignment with. I always blamed it on the set up.
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Stable bat before striking?
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT
A5: think about loading prior to striking an object lots of tension involved!
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A5 The athletic stance/position requires tension in the legs, ready to react.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
Yes and dont forget about the tension necessary to maintain the grip on that bat!
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
great point for success tension and relaxation must be repeated many times!
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Tension is needed for all implement activities too.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:43 PM EDT
Q6: What are some activities you use to teach alignment? How do you cue your students in regards to proper alignment?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:43 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
Like Tennis, Hockey, Table Tennis and even Shuffle Board
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Tension in the back during activities that require posture.
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Add Golf to that list (Putting, chipping, driving).
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Also when using implements w/ body: Volleyball serve.
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Add Golf to that list (Putting, chipping, driving).
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Also when using implements w/ body: Volleyball serve.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A5. here is an assessment from
@PEDL_K5
for Muscular Tension
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https://t.co/lPA57TXsQ7
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
Awesome youre on a roll now, and that needs tension too
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PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A6 Various yoga poses w/partner feedback. Use My Daddy is a Pretzel
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https://t.co/BYD7QZhT5a
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
@jpatc1
join us at the
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and you can back track through definitions. Both are in regards to muscular tension and alignment
ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A6 Any throw that requires accuracy and aiming.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
Great example
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https://t.co/YNUlSMpZV2
PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A6 Various yoga poses w/partner feedback. Use My Daddy is a Pretzel
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https://t.co/BYD7QZhT5a
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Judy is ahead of the game!!
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https://t.co/rdl7RJKtBv
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A5. here is an assessment from
@PEDL_K5
for Muscular Tension
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https://t.co/lPA57TXsQ7
ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
@SchmidJudy
I try to align w/ my golf game but my ball goes all over the place. All about timing up all my body parts.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
can you elaborate?
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
@SchmidJudy
I have the issue of pulling my hands through too quick (baseball) & not squaring the club head to ball
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
@PhysEdApps
Timing and aligning are probably the most important concepts in golf,besides becoming one with the ball
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
@PhysEdApps
@SchmidJudy
so is it a tension issue or allignment issue?
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
Q7: How do you assess muscular tension/ alignment?
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
With sideward preparation align shoulders & feet w/ base that you are throwing to in baseball.
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ESEPhysEd
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
We use this exact example with our students! They are able to trade and share various poses
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#307Cards
https://t.co/gm34TN2Usw
PE4Life_Spencer
Mar 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A6 Various yoga poses w/partner feedback. Use My Daddy is a Pretzel
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https://t.co/BYD7QZhT5a
smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
@ChrisGrove_PE
@SchmidJudy
so is tension involved there?
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
@ChrisGrove_PE
@SchmidJudy
For me, it's timing as I'm trying to hit too hard.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
@ChrisGrove_PE
Shouolders are too far ahead and you end up pulling not striking
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
exact same thing here, my softball swing and golf swing always confuse themselves with 1 another.
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
A7) Backwards design. Use checklist created for assessment & check for competency.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
@ChrisGrove_PE
@PhysEdApps
Both They are both necessary and must be understood to perform well
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
@PhysEdApps
@ChrisGrove_PE
so its sounding like alignment and tension can effect many skills
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
any specific examples to alignment? or tension?
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A7. Try this assessment for alignment- Thanks to
@HumanKineticsPE
and
@PEDL_K5
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https://t.co/didKi4lMdr
PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Kinder: Static balance for 1-5 body parts. Need to show "stillness" to prove balance.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing!!
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https://t.co/2VUdo6OPZ2
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A7. Try this assessment for alignment- Thanks to
@HumanKineticsPE
and
@PEDL_K5
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https://t.co/didKi4lMdr
ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT
. Alignment is a variable in my checklist when accuracy plays a role. More so in the vicinity, not pinpoint accuracy.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT
@PhysEdApps
@smartintahoe
Yes, and need to be aligned to balance Interesting how everything interacts, We teach it all
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A7: how important are your movement cues when assessing these two topics?
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PhysEdApps
- Moderator
Mar 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT
Time for dinner
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! Thanks for letting me join late this evening! Great job
@smartintahoe
for moderating!
SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Many Cues will help Ss understand the tension/extension phases of a movement
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A7 Stepping straight toward the target with the correct foot is very important. When they don't, every other body part must adjust
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:57 PM EDT
Thanks for joining us this evening, you can review materials at
https://t.co/WyCTJtEFKz
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:57 PM EDT
Hope we eased some tension and we all feel aligned with how we define the two things.
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@smartintahoe
Seth, Thank you for moderating tonight you did and awesome job with an interesting topic
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ChrisGrove_PE
Mar 29 @ 8:58 PM EDT
Thanks for getting me thinking about some common language that I need to use more often since it transfers to so many activities.
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@SchmidJudy
Thanks Judy for your great answers!!
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Please join us next week for "Strategies and Tactics in
#physed
"
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smartintahoe
Mar 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT
@ChrisGrove_PE
great job!!
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SchmidJudy
Mar 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Common Language is one of the missions of the
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this semester, We have a great
#PLN
lets all keep learning