#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday December 5, 2017
8:30 PM EST

  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Good Evening, #RuralEdChat We're right in the middle of Computer Science Week. We thought this would be a great night to discuss how Technology has changed learning over the years. Let's start with nostalgia. As you introduce yourself, tell us about your first device.
  • participatechat Dec 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #RuralEdChat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/BEWii3P8LT
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    I'm Tammy from rural North Florida. My first device was a TRS-80 with a tape drive. #RuralEdChat
  • nthnwhte Dec 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Nathan from Star City, Arkansas. My first device was a IBM personal computer with 256 mb if I remember right! #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hey, Nathan. So glad you are joining us tonight. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @nthnwhte
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hey all! I'm Matt, a software developer and volunteer teacher & teacher trainer for CS. First tech... Probably a PC running MS-DOS, though we did upgrade to Win 95 pretty soon after #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Welcome, Matt. I remember MS-DOS. I still use it every once in a while. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Linda from Bainbridge NY. Don't remember what kind of computer I used first. It was an ugly thing in a newsroom in 1979. #ruraledchat
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I am Dylan Cramer from Delaware. My first device was a samsung phone. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Nice! What for? My use is luckily limited to a few old games I enjoy. Hope its nothing too critical anymore. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Linda, so glad to see you tonight. I bet that machine was a beast. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    I remember my first typewriter. My mother's actually. I was 7 then. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Sweet. Your phone had way more computing power than my first computer. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @MrCramer7
  • BonnieCazer Dec 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Bonnie, principal from upstate NY first portable device flip phone. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    It was just a terminal tied into something somewhere in the bowels of the building. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Same here. A few old games. Nothing critical. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Welcome, Bonnie. Imagine that flip phone is less than 10 years old. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @BonnieCazer
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Let's get to the first question. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    That makes me feel old. My first telephone number had 3 digits. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @BonnieCazer
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Learning vs. Education What does this mean to you? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A never ending battle???#RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    BASIC was my first language as well. #RuralEdChat
    • BonnieCazer Dec 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
      Yes. In HS I was fortunate enough to be a pilot student for a dial up computer and learn BASIC
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Q1: #RuralEdChat
  • BonnieCazer Dec 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A1 Learning is what I continually do, expanding my knowledge. Education is more formal set of learning outcomes #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A) leading off with philosophy tonight! I'm not totally sure - i think learning is the verb that is done inside of the process that is education. Educational processes can provide opportunity to learn. #ruraledchat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A1. Learning is daily bits that may add up to education if you get the right bits #RuralEdChat
  • nthnwhte Dec 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A1: learning to me is the process of acquiring new knowledge. Education is a lot of different learning going on. #RuralEdChat
  • cybraryman1 Dec 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    The use of technology on different levels depends on the ability of the students. You will be surprised at the ability of younger students. My Technology pages https://t.co/TbR4csJzWI Have students help their peers: My Student Tech Help page https://t.co/c9CurlW860 #RuralEdChat
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A1 Education is the way we teach and prepare students skills. Learning is students acquiring those skills and understanding them. The teacher has a responsibility to help the students understand and learn skills through education. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:46 PM EST
    I agree re: learning, but formal learning outcomes don't = education to me. Formal often is just trappings #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @BonnieCazer
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I like this too. You can "get an education", but you can't "get a learning". You do the learning, you get the education #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • nthnwhte Dec 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A1 cont. I can learn a new skill but by itself it's just a skill. When I combine that skill with lots of other skills I have an education in that overarching skill set. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Lots of great thoughts already tonight on #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Here comes our second question. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Part of the goal of those educational processes is providing opportunity to learn. Education is an opportunity, to learn is to seize it #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Don't you think there's something other in education...reflection, putting pieces together, remixing?? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Q2: How has technology changed LEARNING? #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Dec 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A1) Joing late :)... Education implies a belief system, a canon? #ruraledchat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Now that resonates with me #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2 Modern tech has splintered learning into bits (and bytes). The big ideas don't translate will into bits. #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Dec 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A2) A tool that assists in connecting people and places #ruraledchat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Absolutely! I had just mentally grouped that under "learning". All critical parts of the "do" in "do the learning" #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A2 cont. Tech makes education available to more people without providing direction (mentoring?) in what to do with it. #RuralEdChat
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A2: It enables us to explore more of the outside world and relate it to our subject. It also allows for what we are teaching to become easier to demonstrate. It is hard to demonstrate some ideas on a chalkboard. Technology can make learning more interactive. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Gotcha. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A2: Some learning has become "need to know". I need to know how to fix something, technology lets that happen easier. I can determine what I think I need to know. #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Dec 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A2) I guess the power lies I the possibility and use of the tool... #ruraledchat
  • SJ_Grubb Dec 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A2) And with great power comes great responsibility. :-D #ruraledchat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Interesting that you say you can determine what you think you need to know. That's part of difference between learning & edu: Education is what what we really need to know and may not recognize? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    A2) more opportunities to connect to different people and parts of the globe. Some theoretical concepts got easier to visualise. Entirely new subject areas to teach too, like digital citizenship. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Q3: How has tech changed how we expect our students to learn? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:00 PM EST
    re: A1) A canon as a starting place or ending place? #ruraledchat
    In reply to @SJ_Grubb
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Q3b: How does this look different at the various grade levels? PreK - 2 3 - 5 6 - 8 9 - 12 13+ (college) #RuralEdChat
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 9:03 PM EST
    A3 Expectation to get assignments done quicker. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:03 PM EST
    A3. Expect all to have learning resources. Expect students to use tech for learning Both may be unreasonable expectations #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:04 PM EST
    That's true. As if a computer made people think faster, right? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @MrCramer7
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A3b. At college level, we expect Ss to have read the syllabus, the online resources, etc.just because they are online. Duh. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A3) the baseline is that students know more, at least in terms of tech tools. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Dec 5 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A3) cont for ages: last year, my high schoolers ran Hour of Code activities for elementary students. Most of the young ones needed to learn how to use a mouse first. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Always surprised to hear teachers say they have to take a course to learn to use a piece of software. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Q4: These 2 articles have very different view points. Yet they both show that tech has influenced how we learn. Has tech made learning easier/better? Why or why not. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A3. I don't know if this has to do with tech alone, but seems with more tech we expect more collaboration. #RuralEdChat
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Yeah, teachers may assume that students can chat online or communicate with each other to go somewhere to do homework. A lot of them still have to rely on parents to get them to a place to meet with other students. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:16 PM EST
    I think we also expect everyone to know what collaboration actually looks like when so many think collaboration is waiting for someone else to do the work and adding their name to the project. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A4: I think we put devices in the hands of our earliest learners a bit too early. They need the time to explore their own environment before they enter the virtual world. #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:19 PM EST
    One of the colleges for which I taught required a collaborative project in every class. Students hated them because of the goof-offs. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:23 PM EST
    I was thinking more along the line of @TG_Neil ..that collaboration doesn't just happen naturally #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @MrCramer7, @TG_Neil
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:24 PM EST
    (cont) I hadn't thought about difficulty of getting together...surely should have in #RuralEdChat It's a rural problem.
    In reply to @MrCramer7
  • MrCramer7 Dec 5 @ 9:24 PM EST
    True, it has to be guided and taught by the teacher. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @LindaAragoni, @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Q5: How can we help our learners (and maybe even ourselves) learn when tech is appropriate and when it isn't for the best learning to take place? #RuralEdChat
  • LindaAragoni Dec 5 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A5. Perhaps we could ask "What's the simplest way to teach/learn/do this?" #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 5 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Yes, that's a much better way to put it. :-) #RuralEdChat