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Tonight's #Edchat topic: If quizzes are formative assessment to gauge a students understanding of the lesson, should the score count in the student’s average? Is a quiz average a valid assessment?
Welcome to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
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More often than not if I include a quiz grade, it's only a positive addition to their overall score, i.e. they do the quiz, they converse with peers, we cover the results, and then they are corrected (if necessary) and then scored. #edchat
Well…are we going with a strict definition of formative assessment? If yes, it should not be used for judgment/grading, only for student growth; contrasted with summative evaluation, used for judgment. Does this make sense folks? #edchat
WELCOME to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quiz scores a valid assessment?
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How's it?
Now underway #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @HarveyAlvy1@sgthomas1973
Yes! Here is the topic: If quizzes are formative assessment to gauge a students understanding of the lesson, should the score count in the student’s average? Is a quiz average a valid assessment? #Edchat
I think we shouldn't take the quiz for their complete grade. I think there should be a pre-test and post-test to see the student's progress over the course of the topic. #edchat
WELCOME to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quiz scores a valid assessment?
Quizzes tend to assess how much of a skill a student has picked up, net necessarily the whole package of necessary skills or knowledge. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose.
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Welcome to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
@BriannaOatman your pointing out the importance of “seeing student progress over the course of a topic” is critical—great point. Formative assessment is all about growth, but w/o the pressure of judging re:grades. #edchat
I think we shouldn't take the quiz for their complete grade. I think there should be a pre-test and post-test to see the student's progress over the course of the topic. #edchat
WELCOME to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quiz scores a valid assessment?
I think often times the quiz is really a summative of a part of the total unit. It's formative in regards to the entire unit, but treated as summative of the "portion" already taught. Make sense? #Edchat
Now underway #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @HarveyAlvy1@sgthomas1973
Quizzes tend to assess how much of a skill a student has picked up, net necessarily the whole package of necessary skills or knowledge. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose.
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Welcome to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
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A: Back in the day, I used quizzes after content delivery to make sure Ss paid attention. I counted the quizzes towards their overall average but not as much as the summative assessment. Most of the time the quizzes increased their grade because they were easier. #EdChat
Welcome to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
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I'd like to add some of my 5 non-negotiables...
1. Patience
2. Listen to them
3. Never give up, be #relentless
4. Don't take behavior personally
5. Compassionate teaching goes a long way for everyone
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I think that acquiring parts of a skill are critical to acquiring the whole skill. Whether quizzes are formative or summative depends on the purpose and need.
I don't think it has to be one or the other. #edchat
Quizzes are helpful in seeing if a student is understanding what they're being taught. As a formative assessment they're okay but that depends on how they are given and the content material being quizzed.
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A: Back in the day, I used quizzes after content delivery to make sure Ss paid attention. I counted the quizzes towards their overall average but not as much as the summative assessment. Most of the time the quizzes increased their grade because they were easier. #EdChat
Welcome to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quizzes a valid assessment of teaching? @sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
It really only happened if Ss paid no attention to the content delivery...then studied for the summative. In that case they had a reduced grade. #EdChat
I completely agree with what you're saying, I think it is more important to measure a students growth and understanding of a topic. The post- test can be utilized for a partial class grade to help provide incentives to students to work hard. #edchat#CI202
Thanks! I was just wondering. My personal S tends to perform better on summatives than formatives, which are counted as part of his grade. In addition, Ss can retake summatives but not formatives, so he doesn't have the opportunity to improve the grade. #Edchat
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A1: I do believe that the formative assessment to check understanding should be scored as a quiz with the students overal average. However it should be a few lessons before the assessment. Other assessments should be considered in the average. #edchat#firstgradesteamrocks
WELCOME to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quiz scores a valid assessment?
Yes:) thanks. It is so hard when we try to be positive and avoid negativity- and then you see the emperor has no clothes.... so there’s a fine line between being a negative Nancy and being a the kid who points out he doesn’t have on clothes. #edchat
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If you believe in the CCSSO definition of formative assessment, then you don't believe a quiz is a formative assessment. Formative assessment is a process and while a quiz might be a tool in the process, it 1. isn't the best tool and 2. should never be graded. #edchat
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@ShiftParadigm, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
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WELCOME to #edchat Topic: If a quiz is formative assessment to gauge a student’s understanding of a lesson, then should the score on the quiz count in the student’s overall average? Is an average of quiz scores a valid assessment?
Welcome Lauren @mslevesqueseng! What are your thoughts on tonites question: If quizzes are formative assessment to gauge a students understanding of the lesson, should the score count in the student’s average? Is a quiz average a valid assessment?#edchat
Do you remember when we played "teacher" when we were kids? Pretending to grade papers. Why did we think that was going to be fun? Lol!!! #oklaed#EdChat#teachpryor#tlap
Agreed...and my formative assessments were on content they just learned. They just needed to pay attention to do well. Having said that, there were times when the whole class did poorly. In that case I retaught and re-assessed. #EdChat
Formative quizzes are an effective way of providing Ss with formative & ongoing feedback on their progress. They can show you & Ss where they understand the course content knowledge & where there are gaps in their knowledge or misunderstandings that require attention. #edchat
Some could be pressured, others might choose to stick to traditional methods. I think it’d be great if we could challenge the status quo. Teach for understanding, not assessment. #edchat
These quizzes happen at various points during the course, and because they are formative rather than summative, they should be ‘low-stakes’ meaning that they should be for informal rather than formal, mark-bearing assessment. #edchat
Don't summ.assess. run the risk of the same impact? Worse even.
A quiz isn't a 100-pt grade. It's a skill-acquisition check-in of far less value. Lesser impact.
But again, I go back to purpose.
A tool isn't A or B. It's a tool. How you use it makes it A or B.
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The purpose of the quizzes is to promote engagement with course content knowledge, rather than to assess students in a ‘yes/no’ or ‘pass/fail’ manner. #edchat
It is important to write in all subject areas because it will allow students to be better prepared for the real world, where writing is applied to many different careers and will be required to proficient writers. #edchat#CI202
Interesting issue also relates to what motivates students—have they been conditioned to believe only in summative evaluations? Does it depend on the teacher? the school culture? #edchat
Ts could set a formative quiz that could help Ss (and you) to note understanding and misunderstanding, so that you can continue to teach the course with a better sense of how your Ss are coping. This makes your teaching more responsive, and more informed. #edchat
All assessments in the grade book have an impact. My question was just about what @kylelaurie did when quizzes lowered grades, as he stated that they often did not negatively impact grades. #Edchat
For me many times a quiz is not a formative assessment. Rather than give a large unit test or project or summative assessment I like to chunk the material and assess those parts. #edchat
Ideally these quizzes can be used to test memory and recall, and also basic reasoning. You can set up the quiz to allow students multiple or unlimited attempts so they can self-test and revise content. #edchat
Goal of FA is collecting evidence of student learning to nudge learning along. Ts need to make that evidence obsolete ASAP. There are better ways to collect evidence and adjust instruction today rather than giving a quiz & waiting until tomorrow to adjust. #edchat
Technically, tests don't give you much info about student thinking. More effective to engage in discussion, listen for understanding and give feedback. #edchat
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@DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
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Interesting issue also relates to what motivates students—have they been conditioned to believe only in summative evaluations? Does it depend on the teacher? the school culture? #edchat
Formative quizzes are an effective way of providing Ss with formative & ongoing feedback on their progress. They can show you & Ss where they understand the course content knowledge & where there are gaps in their knowledge or misunderstandings that require attention. #edchat
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Why would the procedure be different for a quiz than a comprehensive / summative assessment?
Pls don't misunderstand. I'm not seeking to challenge you, rather understand why one would necessitate a different procedure from the other.
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1 if you do not understand the previous) ... then we apply it to a current event. There is usually a capstone activity (video/writing) that wraps everything up ... the end activity is actually the assessment. #edchat
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LeeAnn, I agree. I would rather have discussions with Ss to learn where the misconceptions/misunderstandings are rather than wonder if they "guessed" correctly.... #Edchat
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The purpose of the quizzes is to promote engagement with course content knowledge, rather than to assess students in a ‘yes/no’ or ‘pass/fail’ manner. #edchat
Well, if the quiz is formative, should it be included in a grade? Isn't it more about informing teaching? If it hurts a Ss grade, doesn't that indicate a S needs more teaching instead of a lower grade? That's my take on it. #Edchat
Love the idea of having students grades not be based off of routine quizzes! Have you found this method to be effective with all students? #edchat#CI202
my question is Why? ... Writing for writing's sake won't make us better writers ... having a purpose to write will make us better writers. Your principal's way may make them better prompt responders, but not necessarily better writers. #edchat
Benefit to this is that we know that the people doing the talking in class are the ones doing the learning. Need to find as many ways as possible to engage Ss in collaborative, learning-focused talk. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @HarveyAlvy1
Completely agree, but many Ts don't feel like they have enough time for discussions when they can give out a quick quiz. Also, if # of grades is mandated, they need something in the grade book..... #Edchat
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@HeyLeeAnn, @DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @HarveyAlvy1
Ts could set a formative quiz that could help Ss (and you) to note understanding and misunderstanding, so that you can continue to teach the course with a better sense of how your Ss are coping. This makes your teaching more responsive, and more informed. #edchat
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I gotcha. But then, doesn't a poor grade on the summative assessment mean the same thing? They need more time to digest and acquire the skills. The old "when did you learn to ride a bike" question.
This is a challenging topic for me. Appreciate your patience.
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Goal of FA is collecting evidence of student learning to nudge learning along. Ts need to make that evidence obsolete ASAP. There are better ways to collect evidence and adjust instruction today rather than giving a quiz & waiting until tomorrow to adjust. #edchat
There are other ways to comply with dumb mandates that don't involve giving up what we know is best practice. If Ts did some time analyses, many would find lots of wasted time. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @HarveyAlvy1
Yes, a poor summative grade does indicate the same thing, IMO. I would prefer standards-based instead of simply letter grades, because they don't necessarily inform Ps of S learning. #Edchat
This is what I maintained earlier in the discussion. A quiz is a tool. Whether it's formative or summative depends on the purpose and application.
But it's just a tool.
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@Rfpeterson80, @sgthomas1973, @kylelaurie
@HeyLeeAnn Your point about listening to students is great. Formative feedback is so important, and helps us to fine-tune lessons in real time. Relates to the visible learning notions that are popular today. #edchat
Technically, tests don't give you much info about student thinking. More effective to engage in discussion, listen for understanding and give feedback. #edchat
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@DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
If I collect evidence by listening to Ss that tells me they don't understand a concept, I want to do something (reteach, give feedback, etc) asap to make that evidence obsolete because I have changed their understanding. #edchat
My 8th grade kids can hold an intelligent conversation providing facts to support their thoughts ... I am developing thinkers NOT regurgitators ... my kids score on par with other schools on district test. #edchat
We've just moved to #SBG this year. Oddly, parents *appear* to be less informed & clear about their child's progress. I stipulate that with the comment: Ps are having a difficult transition from an inaccurate quantitative measure of progress to a qualitative one. #edchat
If i collect that evidence in a quiz and have to wait until the next day to address misunderstandings, I have not made that evidence obsolete soon enough--meaning now I had to wait overnight to help move the learning. #edchat
Yes they benefit ... school is not just about reciting facts ..... that may be good at parent parties, but not so much in understanding history #edchat
I think the difficulty lies in the "newness" of SBG. Ps had letter grades, it's what they know and expect. This is a new way of reporting learning, and Ps have to learn it, too! #Edchat
Right, and I'd rather spend my time assessing the application of those higher order operations than giving quizzes and tests that assess knowledge at the retrieval level. #edchat
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@DavidRSmith20, @sgthomas1973, @ShiftParadigm, @HarveyAlvy1
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@sgthomas1973 Yep! Gets to the essence of the formative/summative issue: What is our purpose? We should want students to give us helpful feedback to inform our teaching, and improve our practice—so we can help them succeed. #edchat
Well, if the quiz is formative, should it be included in a grade? Isn't it more about informing teaching? If it hurts a Ss grade, doesn't that indicate a S needs more teaching instead of a lower grade? That's my take on it. #Edchat
Ah, but suturing a wound is procedural not declarative knowledge. And I hope that Dr had to "pass" suturing by actually suturing rather than passing a test over suturing. #edchat
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@DavidRSmith20, @ShiftParadigm, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
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Market saturation lessens the overall quality. I think there are "effectively designed assessments", but I think that hearing from Ss what they know/don't know is more effective in steering my teaching practice day-to-day. #Edchat
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@DavidRSmith20, @HeyLeeAnn, @ShiftParadigm, @HarveyAlvy1
@MrU_ishere Yes! It is a challenging topic for all of us—teaching and learning are incredibly complex. I still hear Madeline Hunter saying, “Teachers make more than 3,000 decisions in a day!" #edchat
I gotcha. But then, doesn't a poor grade on the summative assessment mean the same thing? They need more time to digest and acquire the skills. The old "when did you learn to ride a bike" question.
This is a challenging topic for me. Appreciate your patience.
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Formative quiz:
Students can self-test understanding of fundamental concepts
Students can get a look & feel for upcoming exams
Students can gauge their own exam readiness
Staff can receive feedback on how their class is tracking
Staff can save marking time
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Thanks for the epic tonnage of thoughts running through my head now, #edchat. Been a challenging chat for me. Much to consider and reconsider.
Have a good night. And if you have some of that bad weather coming in the next 24 hours, be safe out there.
When not to use quiz for formative feedback?
Questions that require Ss to write answers freely. These must be manually marked, which is time consuming. Assignment or Turnitin is recommended instead.
When assessing higher order skills ie. analysis and application.
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These conferences serve two purposes: to ascertain through the questions students ask, their comprehension and thinking about the text; and to offer insight to specific parts of the text that may spark deeper ideas for writing. https://t.co/KBVL3uLUgn#education#edchat
Formative assessment could be seen as a 'pre-test' to know what kind of knowledge students have to attend the instruction. A nice way to test this knowledge is by creating a quiz. #edchat
If I collect evidence by listening to Ss that tells me they don't understand a concept, I want to do something (reteach, give feedback, etc) asap to make that evidence obsolete because I have changed their understanding. #edchat
@sgthomas1973 So important. It is not enough to innovate…we have a responsibility to let parents know what we are doing…and respond to their concerns. We need their feedback and support at home and in school. #edchat
I think the difficulty lies in the "newness" of SBG. Ps had letter grades, it's what they know and expect. This is a new way of reporting learning, and Ps have to learn it, too! #Edchat
Formative assessment gives an insight into the knowledge people possess for taking a test. Formative assessment is most valuable during the development of try-outs. The goal is to monitor student learning to provide FEEDBACK. #edchat
This cannot be overstated. When my son was in 2nd, they taught math differently than I was taught. Told colleagues, I don't teach 2nd grade math, so I don't know how to help my son and I teach in this school! How will other Ps know??? #Edchat
@sgthomas1973 So important. It is not enough to innovate…we have a responsibility to let parents know what we are doing…and respond to their concerns. We need their feedback and support at home and in school. #edchat
I think the difficulty lies in the "newness" of SBG. Ps had letter grades, it's what they know and expect. This is a new way of reporting learning, and Ps have to learn it, too! #Edchat
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