#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday March 27, 2017
3:00 PM EDT
  • participatechat Mar 27 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #ASEchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/mKOeusFf0N
  • edubabbIe Mar 27 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Plugging the leaks in the Age of Paradox. #asechat
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Well my PC clock has ticked over welcome everyone to #ASEchat
  • teachingofsci Mar 27 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Settling toddler so will be late to #ASEChat, damnit.
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Our first question on #ASEchat Which edu research has influenced your practice?
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Q1: relied more on books digesting research (@DavidDidau and @tombennett71) for me due to time constraints #asechat
    In reply to @DavidDidau, @tombennett71
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    A1: None. #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    That there is so much research shows teaching is a very individual practice. No best way #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    But also read @dylanwiliam and Hattie at various points of my career. #ASEChat
    In reply to @dylanwiliam
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    #ASEchat for me without question it was the CASE stuff https://t.co/W1ODRgt1QU
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    @TFScientist remember feeling well - dont worry! #asechat
    In reply to @teachingofsci, @TFScientist
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Interesting. Why none? #ASEChat
    In reply to @adchempages
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Shayer and Adey - 'towards a science of science teaching' put me off CASE #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • sciteachcremin Mar 27 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Looking for inspiration and would love to talk to Sci depts about their assessment systems. Willing to share ideas & experiences? #ASEChat
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    no best way but lots of v imp insights into how children learn science #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    mine is miraculously asleep. First #asechat in months!
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @teachingofsci
  • stormeducation Mar 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    #asechat A4 there are citizen #science projects that kids can join in with
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    The age old debate? Is teaching and art or a science? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    I agree so many ways and so many that might not be effective #ASEchat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Recently have been reading about cognitive psychology. @DavidDidau and @Nick_J_Rose book good place to start. #asechat
    In reply to @DavidDidau, @Nick_J_Rose
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    why? its been on my shelf for years but not read it properly yet! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • whitebug16 Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    the work done by Millar 'getting practical' - focus on skills or content when doing practical, #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Do you have a specific title in mind you could share? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @DavidDidau, @Nick_J_Rose
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    A1 Johnstone's triangle for me - making explicit the different abstractions I deal with implicitly that students need to learn #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Much research is tightly focussed on specific 'intervention' in specific context so difficult to generalise #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @oboelizzy
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    People are not electrons. Equating Ed "research" with scientific research is wrong. #ASEchat Also, T = art.
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    https://t.co/BLwVGsFEUF by @DavidDidau #asechat Provocative. Exquisitely referenced. Easy to read and digest.
    In reply to @agittner, @DavidDidau
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Earliest influence on me was Ros Drivers work. CLIS project #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Following @dylanwiliam on twitter as he makes useful suggestions of where else to look #asechat
    In reply to @dylanwiliam
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Nussbaum, Caxton may be better place to start, and finish with these guys? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @DavidDidau, @Nick_J_Rose
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Also, FAR, FAR too much chemistry that I need to learn over edubabble nonsense. CHEM informs my teaching SO much more #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Agree that scientific and educational research are very different, but nothing to say one is best #ASEChat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Agreed. Being 'minds on' not just hands on. Prac not an excuse to avoid writing: should be just as hard #ASEChat
    In reply to @whitebug16, @agittner
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    #asechat and for primary S.P.A.C.E. project
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @agittner
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Jonathan Osborne's scholarly reflections on practical work #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    I think the sci comes into the weighing up the many strategies to come up with the specific answer to the children in front of you #ASEchat
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    as usefully updated by Kind and Taber for Chemistry - still a useful read https://t.co/lOR2K9O5th #ASEChat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Useful idea (for a chemist) particularly in curriculum design. Teaching too? #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    What every teacher needs to know about psychology @agittner @DavidDidau @Nick_J_Rose #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DavidDidau, @Nick_J_Rose
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Profoundly disagree. Profoundly. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Shayer and Adey's work and CASE #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    I agree, do you have a link for that. I used it with ITT trainees a few months ago #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @oboelizzy
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    The @theASE teaching series is great on misconceptions and who to teach tricky topics https://t.co/xE7kfx6aFM #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @theASE
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Pleased you said that, not me. Just been looking at 'Aspects of secondary students' understanding' #ASEChat
    • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
      Earliest influence on me was Ros Drivers work. CLIS project #asechat
      In reply to @agittner
  • LessonToolbox Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    Making sedimentary rocks with year 8 via @pathman1967 #ukedchat #asechat #geography #aussieED #pedagoofriday
    In reply to @pathman1967
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    definitely - both very important works to me at moment! #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    @oboelizzy Another one I still refer to from time to time #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    bigggest influence on me work of Phil Johnson leading to SEP publication stuff and substance #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    and yet research tells us how learning styles is bunkum and how phonics is good. #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #asechat Absolutely - helps ensure I'm more conscious of when I flip between macro/sub-micro/symbolic
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #asechat influenced NSTA Atlas of scientific literacy, both volumes
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    so do you only hold that view as a science teacher or are other subjects equally beyond research? #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    This makes good reading https://t.co/W8MeP52KW3 Heard @P_A_Kirschner on #ResearchEd Amsterdam live video feed in Jan. Good talk. #asechat
    In reply to @P_A_Kirschner
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Education isn't worthy #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Could be even more useful if biologists could adopt a similar classification #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    #asechat And I presume all of Taber's probes in Chemical Misconceptions? https://t.co/tmZLvzknjx
    In reply to @agittner, @oboelizzy
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    That for me is imp, 1 teacher cannot be impartial enough we need to know what doesn't work #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @adchempages, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    I will have to look that up. Also went on to influence 'dialogic teaching' (Phil Scott) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    We have a duty to ensure we don't succumb to 'feelings' about what works. Res not perfect but best we have #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    #asechat most influenced Nuffield scheme in 1980s then early 1990s on STEM library
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Profoundly agree, profoundly #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    All that matters is what works for YOU! Experience leads you to that, not bogus "research" #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    #asechat just methods waiting for someone to love them?
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    What matters is what works for the kids. And that should be informed by res. No time to waste #ASEChat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    #asechat I think @DrKeithSTaber has references in his 2013 review https://t.co/tAygvgpmPe
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DrKeithSTaber
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Not sure that in the heat of the classroom teachers can be discerning experienced or not #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    isn't there a queen song about that... #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    If it doesn't work for T, it ain't gonna work for the kids. That's why it's a waster of time. #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Need more better quality education research. Difficult to do more RCT but should do better than advocacy @TFScientist @agittner #asechat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    You can spend time re-inventing the wheel. Though collaboration is important #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @adchempages, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Who initiated Nuffield science? (late 60's?) Massive influence on science education #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Collaboration just brings conflict. Not a fan. #ASEchat Teaching VERY personal.
    In reply to @agittner, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Thanks! Will follow up #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @DrKeithSTaber
  • LessonToolbox Mar 27 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Newspaper QWC headline on inheritance + genes via @hPulzlad19 #asechat #ukedchat #aussieEd
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    I think we will be looking again at large RCTs increasingly difficult to do in schools for the bigQs #ASEchat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @TFScientist
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    #asechat slow down guys - I can't keep up-away in caravan for PhD respite+ caravan club wifi not up to scratch!!!
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    but how do you ensure you are not wasting time finding something isn't working? #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Mar 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Making Sense of Secondary Science by Rosalind Driver is so useful & ASE Teaching Secondary Biology #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Can also get useful data from large epidemeological correlation studies but needs funding and persistence @agittner @TFScientist #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @TFScientist
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Useful piece on why it is so difficult for teachers to use educational research findings #ASEChat
    • RSC_EiC Mar 27 @ 5:39 AM EDT
      This may be useful as pre-reading: Why don't teachers use education research in teaching? https://t.co/Ue7D8yfna8 #asechat
      • agittner Mar 27 @ 5:25 AM EDT
        Tonight's #ASEchat will be on education research;how it has and could effect our practice. 8pm tonight. looking forward to seeing your views
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Currently Rohrer&Taylor2007 #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    I do believe that choosing findings to implement requires experience and knowledge of your children #ASEchat
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    No choice. "Research" is more than likely not going to be applicable to your unique situation #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @TFScientist, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Mar 27 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    definitely! @CatrinGreen 's how to teach secondary science is also helpful. #ASEChat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @agittner, @CatrinGreen
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    and Meyer and Land 2003 #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • lowlevelpanic Mar 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Work by @dylanwiliam & Black on formative assessment was a big influence on me & still impacts on our work @unisouthampton today...#ASEchat
    In reply to @dylanwiliam, @unisouthampton
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    No research. No collaboration (proven effective btw). How do you know if something is working? #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • lowlevelpanic Mar 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    ...See examples of formative assessment in https://t.co/o2qzWg1ie3 by @SteveBarnes212 & https://t.co/DyRwPQfYMl by @TJWilson92 #ASEchat
    In reply to @SteveBarnes212, @TJWilson92
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    also Reif 1994 https://t.co/jMW3yFcX7T #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    #asechat 'Good practice in science teaching: what research has to say: What research has to say' Osborne+Dillon excellent book
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    @mrsjmclark Funny you should mention that #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Exam scores. #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Why bother with teacher training then? #ASEChat Just chuck people in and get them to find their own way
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Agree, great tomes! #asechat
    • mrsjmclark Mar 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      Making Sense of Secondary Science by Rosalind Driver is so useful & ASE Teaching Secondary Biology #ASEChat
      In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    that's a good reason. But T = art is not #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    too late for those students though if it doesn't work #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Also need to understand the implications of findings and understand how to translate into 'action' #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    by which time it is too late to intervene #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    #ASEChat #thankyou
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • CLEAPSS Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Are you a Chemist looking for a new challenge? Then come and work at CLEAPSS - For more info see : https://t.co/yE5OWIfjul #asechat
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    I think that is very important. Works like https://t.co/wK0qs8o9r5 while useful need careful interpretation #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    You'll get ZERO argument from me. All my theory was USELESS; all my practice GOLDEN. #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    I do think there is a difference though reading a book about research and reading papers. Book is usually a synthesis of work #ASEChat
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    And then how do you know what changes to make? What new approach to try? Being an island stifles innovation #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Research into what doesn't work just as important - if not more so #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @TFScientist, @adchempages, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Much debate over terminology. Some preferring 'responsive teaching' to avoid the A word #ASEChat
    In reply to @lowlevelpanic, @SteveBarnes212, @TJWilson92
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Ohhhh, the "I" word! #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @agittner
  • mrsjmclark Mar 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    EEF is so useful to refer to before deciding on the benefit from different ideas #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @EducEndowFoundn
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    I said this last week @ Wellcome. We don't have time to find out the hard way #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @TFScientist, @adchempages, @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Agreed. But finding the time to do so is very difficult around work, homework and family #asechat.
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Sorry guys, gotta run, by as you can see, Ed. "research" not my thing. I prefer to DO the job. #ASEchat
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    But assessment is what we do everytime we speak to a student - shouldn't fear this #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @lowlevelpanic
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Plus, have found research is usually poorly written, very dense, and needs the results independently interpreting #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    The profession needs to look seriously at employing 'translators' of research if it is to have impact on sig. numbers #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • lowlevelpanic Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    It was called AfL back in the day... I think ever-changing terminology works against us sometimes! #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    my recent experience is that "researchers" absolutely need "teachers" to help shape research #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #ASEChat https://t.co/76UY6yMEP0 is worth a look - aimed at museum sector but digests sci ed res - and it's free!
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #asechat Often a problem with EdResearch is conflicting advice. So I understand teachers who ignore and just get on trusting their gut.
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    and the gut leads to brain gym, learning styles and fish oil #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    ooooo intriguing...#ASEchat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    I agree (have to) Papers are often written for non teaching audience. Books more likely to target practice #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    or the guts of SLT do #ASEchat and I speak as a member of an SLT
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Think you get more bias in a book , have to unpick a bit more in a paper, and can check out the refs. Agree not easy #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Great retort. Can we be grown ups now? #ASEchat
    In reply to @adchempages, @agittner
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    After much reflection better to call it 'reflective and responsive teaching' I think @ASEChairChris your thoughts? #asechat
    • lowlevelpanic Mar 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
      It was called AfL back in the day... I think ever-changing terminology works against us sometimes! #ASEchat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    and context is important. #ASechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @TFScientist
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    having done teach first, I would have welcomed more theory. #ASEChat
    In reply to @sherry_mcgregor, @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Agree, and really frustrating that the word is now so linked to accountability, not personal achievement #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @lowlevelpanic
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    have you tried a masters? Didn’t think it was for me either until then. Taught me to read in a critical way #asechat BYE!
    In reply to @adchempages
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    #asechat Or variety of experiences!!!
    In reply to @TFScientist, @sherry_mcgregor, @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    'Keep moving the target to avoid a direct hit'. AfL has become mired in unhelpful arguments #ASEChat
    In reply to @lowlevelpanic
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    I'll do it!!! find me some money!! #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    #asechat why @researchED1 @CharteredColl @EducEndowFoundn @RISE_Research support Research in ED. Need to know what bunkum #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @researchED1, @CharteredColl, @EducEndowFoundn, @RISE_Research
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    I like finding out if things work or new things to try. Rarely find titles aimed at science. #ASEChat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Thanks! This and other links will appear in storify after #ASEChat ends - no need to look now
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    great to see you on #asechat David!
    In reply to @lowlevelpanic, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #asechat The point is, I have sympathy. But we're an educated workforce who should be expected to do better than gut.
    In reply to @agittner
  • SKLchem Mar 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    @oboelizzy; @agittner #asechat - I remember reading Ros Driver's work on misconceptions as trainee - is it still recommended; it should be!
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @agittner
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Problem with changing the name is it could lead to more misunderstanding. I just keep referring ... #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @lowlevelpanic
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    I massively agree, We wouldn't want our Drs to work on gut instinct #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Problem in EdResearch is terms are not well defined by researchers let alone understood by teachers @lowlevelpanic @ViciaScience #asechat
    In reply to @lowlevelpanic, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    ... to 'Inside the black box' - starts the conversation and then develop your personal knowledge #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @lowlevelpanic
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    unless they were gut doctors #asechat :)
    In reply to @agittner
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I think that's why the Teach First programme is changing - to improve the theory/practice blend #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I certainly recommend it to ITT trainees. WIsh someone would re-issue it with modern fonts #ASEchat
    In reply to @SKLchem, @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I’m interested in the amount of exposure to research across the many routes into teaching. Has it effectively been ditched? #asechat
    • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
      having done teach first, I would have welcomed more theory. #ASEChat
      In reply to @sherry_mcgregor, @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    For me Teaching = Art so don't need Research is a get out for not getting to grips with some of the more complex aspects of learnng #asechat
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Will Mr Wellcome give you a (12 sided) quid to write up your research for a teaching audience? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    You sound like @bengoldacre ;-) Some of this backlash against research in ed reminds me of Semmelweis #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall, @bengoldacre
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Its also important that more research is done "IN THE CLASSROOM" not with kids doing tests on computer in isolation #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    I don't think we need to all be doing research. We should all be evidence-informed #asechat
    In reply to @MrJDexter, @agittner, @whatmattersUoN
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    still the best! #ASEChat
    In reply to @SKLchem
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    #asechat What do you mean?
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @lowlevelpanic, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    It was very apparent that some project failed for want of a good teacher in at the planning stage !!!!! #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • lowlevelpanic Mar 27 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Need to get on here more often! Always good to have a bit of debate. #ASEChat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    7years ago my training included a book on learning styles and active learning... #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    No we need teacher researchers so that the questions researched are the best one #ASEchat
    In reply to @MrJDexter, @A_Weatherall, @whatmattersUoN
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Some people prefer to talk about teaching rather than doing it. I get it. #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @sherry_mcgregor, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    absolutely agree Alex-but need to be given time to engage with it #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MrJDexter, @agittner, @whatmattersUoN
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    tee hee, not great exposure then?! #asechat ;)
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    quite probably. I haven't checked in with @TeachFirst for a number of years. But do follow @Samfr! #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB, @TeachFirst, @Samfr
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Is time the only barrier to teachers engaging with research #ASEchat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @A_Weatherall, @MrJDexter, @whatmattersUoN
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    eg confusion over differences/similarities between inquiry, problem-based, discovery #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB, @lowlevelpanic, @ViciaScience
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    @agittnerAs an adult I'll continue to call out meaningless edubabble if that's what you mean. #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    I teach every daily. But also keep up with latest subject & pedagogical research #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    definitely not but it is a huge part of it IMO #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall, @MrJDexter, @whatmattersUoN
  • jesswade Mar 27 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    They may be micro, but my #MondayMotivation are on their way to 🇺🇸! 🤖 https://t.co/44ro58L5my Can you help? https://t.co/h28OOlbRUo #ASEChat
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Only interested chemistry. That's what informs my teaching. #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    have to be careful thinking we are doing research, when we are trying out an idea. Academic social science research diff to sci Res #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Does this 'count' as education research in digestible form? #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    I needed quotes. #asechat you missed my point. "Teaching ... Research."
    In reply to @bennewmark
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Yes we really need to implement ideas analytically. Really considering the effectiveness and be prepared to stop it #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    I'm interested in Chem, Physics, Biology and how people learn. #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • chemDrK Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    oops! forgot to add the hashtag! You can tell I'm not usually able to join in with #asechat ;-)
    • chemDrK Mar 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
      agree with this. It's about using what's out there in your own context. Then evaluating
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MrJDexter, @agittner, @whatmattersUoN
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    you're doing well. Didn't you have to be somewhere? #ASEchat when you learn to debate, look me up.
    In reply to @adchempages
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Yes; as long as you really look closely at the context of where its done and the numbers involved. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    and all the other domains of science too (before @ViciaScience chastises me) #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Need to blend theory and practice. Career long, not just a year #asechat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @sherry_mcgregor, @adchempages, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    OK, have at it! #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    As teachers we need a good understanding of how children learn #notthereyet #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    not to mention behaviour & psychology (and computer science). I want to know more #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    #asechat is anyone here familiar with Phil Johnson's work on 'substance' ?
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    wewill never know,we need to have a large arsenal of tools that work to apply #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @adchempages, @TFScientist
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Nott convinced by the numbers thing. Surely depends on context? Small findings generalisable? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Q1 Van Driel et al what makes effective CPD? #ASEChat
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Let push it Liz; EVERYONE read this https://t.co/bVikKzsp74 #ASechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Of course they can. But to ignore research to also help inform your teaching is missing out on other expertise #asechat
    In reply to @MrDeach27
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    #asechat I was going to say something similar, but @mikercameron beat me to it.
    In reply to @mikercameron
    • mikercameron Mar 27 @ 3:45 PM EDT
      Even artists rely on Colour Theory. Doesn't mean they have to use a set square and protractor on every painting.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    I think there is a danger in that, too much bias from the deliverer. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    musicians too. #asechat
    In reply to @mikercameron
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Some mega quantitative studies, esp primary, came up with questionable findings in past (1/2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Plenty of experienced teachers that only get mediocre results. Plenty that use learning styles #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MrDeach27
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    I have a soft spot for small scale intensive triangulated studies (2/2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Ive added it to one of ‘my lists’ on my dashboard @STEMLearningUK Find this feature really helpful #ASEChat
    In reply to @STEMLearningUK
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Missed the start of #ASEChat. Has anyone mentioned ASPIRES?
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Don't stop. Persuade me why my domain subject knowledge is all I need :) #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    So do I. I think that is where the art lies, taking the findings from research and applying it to your students #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Another problem with much Ed Research is lack of detail of context or activities used making difficult ... #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Not the best. Set me up to do some questionable things in my first few years. I look back and groan #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Not yet! But should be on the reading list of all science teachers #ASEChat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Context is King #asechat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Well thank you folks its been a great first 50 mins in #ASEchat
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    #asechat but first thinking might it work for me and my pupils
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    McNiff refers to this as the ‘swampy lowlands’ of action research (remember this @Cinderhills !) #asechat
    In reply to @Cinderhills
    • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
      So do I. I think that is where the art lies, taking the findings from research and applying it to your students #ASEchat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Time for Q2 :) #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    I have no interest in your practice #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    #asechat don't we all?
    In reply to @TFScientist, @NeedhamL56
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    although this is much murkier as most learning is invisible. Agree that individual tests cannot be extrapolated #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    We've touched on it a bit. How can we bridge the gap between research and classroom practice? #ASEchat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    at that point you hadn’t learned (or been taught) to be critical. Happens to us all! #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Well that's not much help Adrian!?! Why is your Chem practice all you need? #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Always find the art/craft/science discussion tricky, even unhelpful. Teaching improves with understanding, practice and advice #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Ha ha! great minds Steve #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @TFScientist
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    .. to replicate and make good comparisons between studies and their relative effectiveness #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • adchempages Mar 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Content is king. #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    research champions in each school. Open access ed research. Research digests. Funding for research in schl #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    Agree. Where does the understanding come from. Own experience and the experience and research of others. #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    SCORE tried to use well founded research to justify policy. Did they succeed? #ASEChat https://t.co/AbdU9XhuvR
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    but...I made 8 differentiated versions of a worksheet according to learning style and pred. grade. 😞 #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    It's certainly very important. But not all. #asechat
    In reply to @adchempages, @TFScientist, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    It’s about bringing the ivory towers of research and the reflective practitioner together, each valuing the others contribution #ASEChat
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Ultimately, research (public knowledge) provides me ideas to try with my students to see if it improves their learning ... #asechat
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    I hope you gave them a fish oil sweet if they got them all right too!!! #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    #asechat and your findings .....
    In reply to @TFScientist, @NeedhamL56
  • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    That is why good opportunities to collaborate and discuss teaching and learning is so important #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @JustinDillonUoB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    AARGH! poor you #sympathy #ASEChat
    In reply to @TFScientist
  • ViciaScience Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    There 'should' be a role for research in directing and justifying education policy at govt level #ASEChat
  • dave2004b Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    ... which then adds to my private knowledge - an ongoing personal learning over a career #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    it's all. There's an Art and Craft to Science. They're not mutually exclusive. #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    no... it I did give my yr 8s a sweet p5 Friday if they stayed in their seat all lesson 😣#ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    I know that my collaborator in Northern Ireland was interviewed by Sec state for Ed over there #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • TFScientist Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    huge time cost. No statistically significant difference in outcome either on sheet or in follow up test #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    And all power to them. I did say this earlier. I get that this is often sufficient. But it's not optimal. #asechat
    In reply to @MrDeach27
  • JustinDillonUoB Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Agreed - that's why I find the A/C/S discussion rather unhelpful. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • agittner Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    was it effective? we need n numbers and statistical significance #ASEchat
    In reply to @TFScientist, @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    More than important-essential on so many levels-but impossible to explain in 140 #asechat
    • stuartphysics Mar 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
      That is why good opportunities to collaborate and discuss teaching and learning is so important #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @JustinDillonUoB