#edchatie Archive


Monday February 11, 2019
3:30 PM EST

  • fboss Feb 11 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion. As usual, before we begin, please introduce yourself. Remember to include the hashtag #edchatie in all of your tweets for the next hour too, so they can be collated later.
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Sandrine, MFL teacher, on secondment to @languages_ie and working on implementing the language strategy #languagesconnet and the awareness campaign @langsconnect_ie #edchatie #mflire #mflie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Ciara teacher of French & German, from Kerry based in Cork. Currently teaching in an all boys school so the topic tonight interests me greatly. I especially want to hear from other MFL teachers who teach boys. Teaching MFL to girls is a world apart! #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • missdtweeting Feb 11 @ 3:33 PM EST
    I teach French. As with any subject, I do believe that getting students engaged with learning is key. I have made an effort to find penpals for my male students of MFL and this has helped them find a purpose for MFL learning #edchatie
  • languagesdude Feb 11 @ 3:33 PM EST
    An interesting one tonight . Damien . MFL Teacher from Waterford #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:33 PM EST
    What do you feel is the main difference? #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @fboss
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Fred Boss, second level Art teacher, currently with @NCCAie and looking forward to discussing all things #MFL on tonight's #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:34 PM EST
    I would agree. It is about making it relevant to them. especially when starting off. #edchatie
    In reply to @missdtweeting
  • missdtweeting Feb 11 @ 3:35 PM EST
    When I had a class of football mad boys I taught the pronunciation of the language through surnames of French footballers. They identified the key sounds from the words they were already familiar with (Mbappé, Giroud). Worked well #edchatie
  • languagesdude Feb 11 @ 3:35 PM EST
    I found I was able to garner interest from male students to in relation to studying #MFL by telling them about my experience in the #tech sector before I came into teaching #edchatie
  • missdtweeting Feb 11 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Definitely. They also feel more valued as students when you have an interest in their hobbies etc and make an effort! #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 3:36 PM EST
    So, let's begin discussing tonight#s live #edchatie topic "How can we encourage more male students to study MFL (Modern Foreign Languages)?" #MFL
  • languagesdude Feb 11 @ 3:37 PM EST
    When I told them about how languages helped me in that sector and the benefits I had when I worked in that sector. It got them looking into it for a while anyways ! #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:37 PM EST
    We @langsconnect_ie designed resources for Guidance counsellors to show the relevance of #languages for boys and girls. They are available online: https://t.co/GUXW33zzpp A hard copy was sent to every Guidance department too. #edchatie
  • missdtweeting Feb 11 @ 3:38 PM EST
    You can do anything with a language- that’s the beauty of teaching it. Find out interests of students and work from there. Work reading comprehensions etc around this #edchatie
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Primary Teacher Mayo. Trained as a PDST-TIE Tutor for the 'Using ICT in the Primary Modern Foreign Languages Initiative' about 10 years ago. I didn't know MFL and boys was an issue (having been to an all boys secondary school where many of us did 2 MFL to IC/JC). #edchatie
    • fboss Feb 11 @ 3:25 PM EST
      Flex your typing fingers because in 5 minutes we begin tonight's #edchatie discussion on "How can we encourage more male students to study MFL (Modern Foreign Languages)?" Retweet and join in!
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:39 PM EST
    I think the videos from @langsconnect_ie can really show boys how languages can be an asset. We have a whole series: https://t.co/lJbTfECle2 #edchatie
    In reply to @languagesdude, @langsconnect_ie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:40 PM EST
    This doesn’t just apply to boys it’s relevant to girls too #edchatie
    In reply to @missdtweeting, @sandrinepk
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I wonder was this topic asked because boys tend not to pick a language. If so, why? #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:41 PM EST
    I hope you encourage your pupils to learn languages too. Ireland is multilingual and it is great to see to at all levels of education #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool
  • languagesdude Feb 11 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Maybe more male #mfl teachers might help? If you can find any!!! #edchatie
  • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 3:42 PM EST
    #edchatie Mary Elaine, English French and Swahili teacher. I’m fascinated by boys attitudes to language learning and definitely think that we need to highlight the opportunities that having (an)other language(s) offer to draw more of them in.
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:42 PM EST
    I’ve taught MFL many years in various schools-all girls, mixed & all boys. With many male pupils I see an increasing apathy towards MFL-many opt to do MFL at LC OL so they can focus on HL Maths for bonus points when many are well able to do HL MFL #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk, @fboss
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Have parents or society something to do with it? #edchatie
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Interesting that tonight’s #edchatie topic has a focus on #mil learning by boys in school. Is this a thing?
    • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:40 PM EST
      This doesn’t just apply to boys it’s relevant to girls too #edchatie
      In reply to @missdtweeting, @sandrinepk
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:43 PM EST
    #MFL learning even 😉#edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:44 PM EST
    We @langsconnect_ie are working on resources to show the link between languages and skills you acquire from learning languages. Hopefully it will ready very soon. #edchatie
    In reply to @MaryElaineTynan, @langsconnect_ie
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Would the reintroduction of the Primary Modern Languages Initiative be helpful? It was canned in the recession cutbacks. Pupils in fifth and sixth classes were given an hour of MFL education each week. Would (should) it count towards literacy teaching hours? #MFL #edchatie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:48 PM EST
    In some all boys schools MFL tend to take a back seat to subjects that are seen as more “masculine” such as practical subjects, STEM. It all depends on whether management, male pupils & their parents value MFL learning. A vocal MFL Dept is a must! #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Personally I would love it if my daughter learnt languages in Primary school. #edchatie
    • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 3:45 PM EST
      Would the reintroduction of the Primary Modern Languages Initiative be helpful? It was canned in the recession cutbacks. Pupils in fifth and sixth classes were given an hour of MFL education each week. Would (should) it count towards literacy teaching hours? #MFL #edchatie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:50 PM EST
    It would be fantastic for both male and female primary school pupils to see this great initiative being brought back but given the cutbacks in education, I wouldn’t hold my breath! #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:51 PM EST
    How do we change that? #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill
  • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 3:51 PM EST
    #edchatie According to Rebecca Rogers, “language is the most feminized field in public secondary education”. Whether this large feminine presence in linguistic fields is due to each sex’s intellectual skills in these particular areas, a trait or preference is not yet determined.
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 3:51 PM EST
    My Business with French degree (as opposed to Business & French) doesn't qualify me to teach French (according to @TeachingCouncil) because it didn't have a French Literature module. Yet I spent a year studying in France, through French and did a 'stage' #edchatie #mfl @toruairc
    In reply to @languagesdude, @TeachingCouncil, @toruairc
  • orourke28 Feb 11 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Over 24k students took part in this year’s Irish Life Health Schools’ Fitness Challenge - to improve their #fitness over as little as 6 weeks of exercise and training #edchatie #education https://t.co/ojGkKOWksv
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:54 PM EST
    It’s not that boys don’t tend to pick a language as many still do up until LC, it’s more a case of the apathy (and at times derision) shown by some male pupils towards MFL and the fact many don’t bother to make the effort to do HL LC MFL (IMO) #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:55 PM EST
    That’s precisely why I’m following this discussion! To see what others think the solution might be! #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 3:55 PM EST
    One survey reveals the men and women have different motivations when it comes language learning #edchatie
  • shffnn Feb 11 @ 3:56 PM EST
    #edchatie I have a 50-50 split in my 2nd year German group, with the caveat that it's a small class as German is their second foreign language.
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:57 PM EST
    Is it because they can see role models in languages? #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:57 PM EST
    You’re not being sexist, I fully agree! I’m concerned with the derision some male pupils show towards MFL (& to a certain extent Gaeilge) subjects which as we all know are predominately taught by female teachers. #edchatie
    In reply to @shffnn
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 3:58 PM EST
    So do we need to sell it as a job factor? #edchatie @ciaraquill
    • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 3:55 PM EST
      One survey reveals the men and women have different motivations when it comes language learning #edchatie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 3:59 PM EST
    I’m not sure what your question means? #edchatie Surely all subjects provide role models?
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 4:00 PM EST
    We're halfway through discussing tonight's live #edchatie topic of "How can we encourage more male students to study MFL (Modern Foreign Languages)?" #MFL #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:00 PM EST
    I mean they don't see male speaking foreign languages but they see scientists for example. #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 4:02 PM EST
    There is an #mflire hashtag. Perhaps including that in our posts might draw others into tonight's #edchatie chat @fboss ?
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:03 PM EST
    I believe so too. I guess languages are less visible. #edchatie
    • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 4:00 PM EST
      This is one possible option that one might learn langauge(s) but obviously not the only one. I suppose we need to show that there are many reasons to communicate and work is one of them.
      In reply to @sandrinepk, @ciaraquill
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:05 PM EST
    Not necessarily. As a pupil I was told you’d have great opportunities with MFL. Hmm! I did 2 MFL because I enjoyed them not because of job prospects.When we graduated with MFL qualifications only job options were teaching or telesales!!! #gofigure #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:06 PM EST
    I guess it is finding the inspiring ones. During the visits I have done to schools where I showed some of the Working with languages videos from @langsconnect_ie we got great reactions from boys and girls about i did not know a language could be this useful. #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @langsconnect_ie
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 4:08 PM EST
    It's different now though isn't it with the large tech firms having European HQs here? Aren't the levels of challenge offered a step or two higher than telesales now? #edchatie #mflire #MFL
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @sandrinepk
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:09 PM EST
    Yeah but they see plenty of top level male footballers, formula one drivers, rugby players or athletes they admire or seek to emulate who speak foreign languages or whose mother tongue is French/German/Spanish #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:09 PM EST
    Well hopefully there is more now. All sectors are employing candidates with languages. For some, they would not have the job they have if it was not for their language and they are not language purists. Ciarán comes to mind: https://t.co/2x1L5HLhjdán-macsamhráin #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:09 PM EST
    Do we also need to convince parents of the value of languages? #edchatie
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 4:10 PM EST
    We're discussing "How can we encourage more male students to study MFL (Modern Foreign Languages)?" on tonight's live #edchatie Join in the conversation around #MFL
  • CuffeL Feb 11 @ 4:11 PM EST
    #edchatie Laurence Cuffe Math teacher checking in. I knew some who specialised in translating key turns of phrase and colloquialisms with the UN. He Lived well in New York.
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  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:12 PM EST
    There are great opportunities but when announcements are made we are told IT jobs, STEM jobs when a lot of them also require a language. Perceptions I guess. #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool, @ciaraquill
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:14 PM EST
    I don’t agree. I only used French & German on a daily basis (& got well paid to boot!) when I lived & worked in France & Germany. When I graduated I had no desire back then to work in a call centre on meagre wages or become a teacher. So I left. #edchatie
    In reply to @MaryElaineTynan, @sandrinepk
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 4:15 PM EST
    With English as an international language of science, engineering and probably technology, working in those industries one could probably 'get away' without having a #MFL #mflire But with an #MFL one could possibly bee mite successful in the long run. #edchatie
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:15 PM EST
    Have you worked in telesales? #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool, @sandrinepk
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:15 PM EST
    #edchatie I think so too.
    • MaryElaineTynan Feb 11 @ 4:04 PM EST
      I think it’s v important to dispel the myth that you need to leave ireland to use MFLs when, in fact, many organisations in Ireland have to import foreign language speakers as they can’t get them here. With Brexit looming that number is likely to increase
      In reply to @sandrinepk, @ciaraquill
  • CuffeL Feb 11 @ 4:16 PM EST
    And a lot of that work is localisation. #edchatie.
    In reply to @riomhaireschool, @ciaraquill, @sandrinepk
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:17 PM EST
    You don't agree one can stay in Ireland and use languages? #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @MaryElaineTynan
  • CuffeL Feb 11 @ 4:19 PM EST
    https://t.co/nErVzxXZxB The starting salary for Irish speakers is €4834 a month. This is, I think, possibly tax free. #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:19 PM EST
    yes but I think there are more jobs with languages nowadays than telesales jobs. I agree that it all started with telesales but there are more opportunities now. #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @riomhaireschool
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:20 PM EST
    Yes MFL can be an asset in many careers but pupils often don’t see long term benefits. Although I love MFL & being an MFL teacher I’m wary of the spin “oh you’ll go places with MFL” It’s down to passionate teachers promoting MFL & school management respecting MFL #edchatie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:21 PM EST
    when you go and do business, knowing the language of the country you visit is crucial. They are usually the deal breaker. Check Hugh's video about doing business in China: https://t.co/z4M1fng4Fp #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:22 PM EST
    That’s not what I said. I was referring to my own experience as somebody who loved (and had a talent for) MFL. #mystory #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk, @MaryElaineTynan
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:23 PM EST
    and society to see the benefits #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:23 PM EST
    I hope so! #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk, @riomhaireschool
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:23 PM EST
    Apologies I had not understood that reply. I get it now. #edchatie
    In reply to @ciaraquill, @MaryElaineTynan
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 4:24 PM EST
    Is that the issue then for boys perhaps? Are we offering the wrong #MFL? Chinese/Japanese/Hindi/Portuguese? #mflire #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • fboss Feb 11 @ 4:25 PM EST
    We're into the famous final five minutes of tonight's #edchatie discussion on the topic of "How can we encourage more male students to study #MFL (Modern Foreign Languages)?" Any last thoughts, ideas, strategies or solutions?
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:27 PM EST
    @languages_ie is supporting Chinese, Japanese, heritage languages such as Lithuanian, Polish.. I am probably forgetting some. It needs to be bought in by the school management too. #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool, @languages_ie
  • riomhaireschool Feb 11 @ 4:28 PM EST
    Russian? What other #MFL are there to consider? #edchatie
    In reply to @sandrinepk
  • ciaraquill Feb 11 @ 4:28 PM EST
    #edchatie So any practical ideas as to how to get male pupils more open to MFL or being less apathetic towards them? This was my main reason for being tonight. I knew I should added some rugby/GAA prowess to my MFL teaching qualification! 🇫🇷⚽️🏉🇩🇪😉 @shffnn
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:29 PM EST
    Check out https://t.co/ZyOqAKiFLD @langsconnect_ie promoting languages in Ireland. Send feedback, ideas to hello@languagesconnect.ie We would love to hear from people. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @langsconnect_ie
  • sandrinepk Feb 11 @ 4:29 PM EST
    yes Russian is there too. Romanian, Korean. #edchatie
    In reply to @riomhaireschool