#octmchat Archive


Thursday November 29, 2018
8:30 PM EST

  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:30 PM EST
    We're glad you're joining #octmchat... take a minute to introduce yourself... and tonight we're sharing a word or GIF that comes to mind when you hear the word "Assessment" @ohioctm #bettertogether @mlipnos
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Hello everyone! Glad you are here! #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Tonight's #OCTMchat will follow at Q1/A1 format (more details on the slide below). New to Twitter Chats? Let us know and we can help! #bettertogether @ohioctm
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Finish up your introductions... our 1st question is coming up in a minute. Don't forget to include #octmchat in each of your posts to keep our conversations connected. Also, be sure you are seeing the "latest" tweets not just the "top" tweets by clicking on the tab.
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Scott from Hilliard. Tweeting from under the covers tonight wishing it was warmer! #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Hi, everyone! Jodie Bailey - math coach @HilliardSchools & honored to serve as President of @ohioctm I think of assessment as an opportunity to observe and explore student thinking #OCTMCHAT
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Q1: @JohnSanGiovanni talks about how sometimes students get the "right answer for the wrong reason." Take a look at the slide below and share a reason students might get this answer correct for the wrong reason. Begin your response with A1 and include #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Hi! I'm Christina... one of the Math Consultants/Coaches @HamiltonCoESC in Cincinnati... and the Past-President @ohioctm... when I hear "assessment" I think... #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Welcome, Scott! Thanks for joining #octmchat... what comes to mind when you hear "assessment?"
    In reply to @escott818
  • JacquiLehmkuhl Nov 29 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hello, mathletes! Jacqui Lehmkuhl, Math Department Chair at Troy and VP of Secondary for OCTM here. Test Days are Game Days in room 166. #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:35 PM EST
    I love it, @BaileyJodie ! This is my NEW take on "assessment"... I wish I would have felt this as a student! #octmchat
    In reply to @BaileyJodie, @HilliardSchools, @ohioctm, @BaileyJodie
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Hi, Mike! #octmchat
    In reply to @mlipnos
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I LOVE it, @JacquiLehmkuhl ! #GameOn #octmchat
    In reply to @JacquiLehmkuhl, @JacquiLehmkuhl
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A1: Sometimes not attending to precision can work out for the best :) seeing the 4 & 3 can make the brain instantly think of 7 w/o seeing oper sign. #octmchat
  • MattAnderson289 Nov 29 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A1: students can get lost in the minutae of symbols with mathematics - I would rather them use words like "3 groups of 3" plus "3 groups of 4" "#octmchat
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:38 PM EST
    I’ve started calling assessments LCs. “Learning celebrations”. I like it, but I’m met with 25 5th grader eye rolls. #octmchat
    In reply to @chrissybug24
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:38 PM EST
    It's not too late to join #octmchat ... Q1 is just up! @kmeier320 @MathRocks73 @schultzem @MeanMrMeehan @Mrs_Johnson723 @18KatieMcIntosh @batty314 @Fouss @FlanneryKristie @HappyMathGeek @AviatorLearning @kellykir02 @MissLovelyWE @Mrsablund @walls_a2 @eparkerWC @mrgerberd
    • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:33 PM EST
      Q1: @JohnSanGiovanni talks about how sometimes students get the "right answer for the wrong reason." Take a look at the slide below and share a reason students might get this answer correct for the wrong reason. Begin your response with A1 and include #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Question 2 will be up soon #octmchat
  • JacquiLehmkuhl Nov 29 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A1) Not sure what the reason is for the question, but my mathletes can get answers without reasons. Type things into their "Magical" box. #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A1: They might focus only on the addition symbol to combine the 3 and 4 - then see it is multiplying by 3. #OCTMCHAT
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Q2 (see slide for prompt) @NCTM defined assessment as "the process of gathering evidence about a student's knowledge of, ability to use, and disposition toward, mathematics and of making inferences from that evidence for a variety of purposes" (1995, p. 3). #octmchat @ohioctm
  • MsHow_Ann Nov 29 @ 8:41 PM EST
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Glad you’re here tonight, Matt! I love your description of “minutiae of symbols”! #OCTMCHAT
    In reply to @MattAnderson289
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A2 #octmchat students may use 7 groups of 3. Possibly representing something with same product but not truly 3 groups of 7
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A2: Visual representations provide a huge window into student understanding. I’d like to see multiple visuals showing 3 groups of 7. #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A2: The example doesn’t give us a window into the Ss thinking. I would want to see some evidence of WHY they believe the expressions are equivalent. Debates are my favorite - conversation is crucial! #OCTMCHAT
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A2 possibly showing a repeated addition statement. Or counting multiples of either 3 or 7 #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A2: I've been seeing many 3rd graders using arrays to help them find equivalent expressions... I'm so visual that I would probably start with something like this... X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X #octmchat
  • davidwees Nov 29 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A1: I think this is only the wrong reason because of the intent of the assessment item designer. Eg. Wrong reason is a value judgment. #octmchat
    • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:33 PM EST
      Q1: @JohnSanGiovanni talks about how sometimes students get the "right answer for the wrong reason." Take a look at the slide below and share a reason students might get this answer correct for the wrong reason. Begin your response with A1 and include #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Amen on visual representations! I think it’s important to connect the representations. Where can I find pieces of my thinking within your representation? #OCTMCHAT
    In reply to @escott818
  • MattAnderson289 Nov 29 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A2: stressing multiplication as repeated addition allows for students to explain equivalent expressions in terms of groups - this translates to better conceptual understandings of expressions in algebra down the road (5x = 2x + 3x) #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Question 3 will be up in a minute #octmchat
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A2 other possible showing equation rather than expression #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Q3: Let's hear about some of your favorite resources for assessment tasks #octmchat Be sure to begin your response with A3 and include #octmchat to keep our conversation connect #bettertogether
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Yup. Celebration Evan’s 14th birthday. #dedication #OCTMCHAT
    In reply to @escott818
  • MsHow_Ann Nov 29 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A1: Students could reason that they know their answer needs to look a certain way, and this answer was one of the two possible. #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Does this idea of repeated addition ever interfere with understanding of multiplication as scaling? I always wonder what misconceptions we might unintentionally foster in elementary school. #octmchat
    In reply to @MattAnderson289
  • davidwees Nov 29 @ 8:49 PM EST
    For a problem like this one, unfortunately my son would probably do it in his head. This makes opportunities for students to share their reasoning with each other critical. Otherwise we, and their peers, might never know what their reasoning was! #OCTMchat
    In reply to @mlipnos
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Twitter Chats are a great way to build your Twitter PLN. Take a minute to follow some of tonight's #octmchat participants #bettertogether
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A3 the best resource is the teacher truly being content expert. They why young people are not performing. Not simply that they are not. Knowing how young people think. You have to hear the young people. #OCTMchat
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A3: I love Open Middle. Thought provoking tasks for sure! https://t.co/LFSUnIgpoR #OCTMCHAT
  • JacquiLehmkuhl Nov 29 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A3: The low budget approach works nicely. Get the dry erase boards out; drawing, critiquing, and hypothesizing together. #octmchat
  • mlipnos Nov 29 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A3 also not a fan of assessment. I like evidence better. I collect evidence of what my young people know and how I’m going to help them advance. CGI and CBA MR and young people have given me what I need to understand their thinking. #octmchat
  • MattAnderson289 Nov 29 @ 8:52 PM EST
    I don't think so if you make it a point of emphasis in linear algebra to discuss patterns in ordered pairs of lines that go through the origin v. those that don't. I understand your point though. #octmchat #nopunintended
    In reply to @BaileyJodie
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Our last question (Q4) will be up in a minute #octmchat
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Nov 29 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A3: A few of my favorites: @IllustrateMath Mine the Gap from @JohnSanGiovanni & @CorwinPress Using #noticewonder with anything - but especially @gfletchy 3 Act Tasks #OCTMCHAT
  • MathRocks73 Nov 29 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A3: I believe having a visual representation shows if there is conceptual understanding. #octmchat
  • MattAnderson289 Nov 29 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A3: I used the rich tasks here quite often for group discussions and assessment items https://t.co/Mz0T7gOxNz #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Q4 (see slide for prompt) Let's advocate for better assessment practices #bettertogether @NCTM @ohioctm @JohnSanGiovanni #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A3: I love #numbertalks and @wodb to get a glimpse into student thinking #octmchat
  • escott818 Nov 29 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A4: Try to not make assessment an event. Assessment & evidence gathering should be embedded in daily math framework. #OCTMCHAT
  • MathRocks73 Nov 29 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A4: trying to get our grading practices changed. We kill kids curiosity with grades. #octmchat
  • chrissybug24 Nov 29 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Thanks for joining #octmchat and insisting on better assessment practices Another chat is starting NOW... check out @NCTM #elemmathchat