#sblchat Archive

Wednesday March 8, 2017
9:00 PM EST
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Rik in MA, Facilitator of Learning with a #HSMath focus. We provide Extended Learning (HW) for our Learners to experience growth!! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Good evening and welcome to #sblchat! We are chatting about Quality Homework Practices tonight. Please start intros!
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Dave Wheeler, Elem Principal, Thompson, ND #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hello #sblchat! Katie, 6th grade science teacher, tweeting from the very blustery Chicagoland area tonight! So happy to be here!
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Becky Prebble HS English in the west suburbs of Chicago #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hi Becky! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Brian, HS ELA in WI. Looking forward to learn with #sblchat and #plrnchat this evening.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Good evening Dave! #sblchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    We are so glad you are here! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Glad to have you with us Brian! #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Adam Lester, English teacher Batavia HS. Right down the road from @mrsprebble84 #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Chris, math/science/tech teacher, high school from Chicago suburbs #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Sylvia Ellison, HS Writing Coach, Title 1 school in Tampa, FL ... #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Now's your opportunity to greet and thank @garnet_hillman for all the preparation she does for our weekly Standards-Based Learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    I'm Garnet, an instructional coach from the Chicagoland area. Always pleased to join my co-mod @RoweRikW for this hour of learning! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Currently reading "Creating a Culture of Feedback" by @plugusin @mrscienceteach ~ We see Feedback on Extended Learning as huge. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi Adam! #sblchat
    In reply to @CoachLesterBHS
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi Chris! #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Welcome Sylvia! #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Danny Hill in Tennessee #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Thanks so much for joining us Danny! #sblchat
    In reply to @POWERofICU
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Welcome Sylvia! #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Brad in Bangkok joining #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Thrilled to see You, Danny! #sblchat
    In reply to @POWERofICU
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hey Brad, thanks for joining us tonight! #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Aaron Blackwelder HS English from SW Washington. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Brad, I am ready to learn from you, Sir! #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hi Aaron! #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Excited about this week's #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Ken O’Connor, having the best winter ever as a snowbird in “Disneyland for adults” - The Villages, FL. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Like this tweet if you're new to our Standards-Based Learning conversation so we can welcome you! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Yes! Aaron is in the #sblchat H-O-U-S-E!!
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Always glad to have you join us Ken! #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Thanks for joining us Casey! #sblchat
    In reply to @CaseyStansifer
  • sjkibel Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Samantha, Jr High ELA in Missouri popping in #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi Samantha! #sblchat
    In reply to @sjkibel
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Let's all welcome Maddy {@stahrmie} to our Standards-Based Learning conversation tonight! #sblchat
    In reply to @stahrmie
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    And oh how @garnet_hillman knows what she is talking about! Thank you. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
    • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:02 PM EST
      Now's your opportunity to greet and thank @garnet_hillman for all the preparation she does for our weekly Standards-Based Learning. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hey #sblchat! Long time, no chat. Dave, teacher educator in NW Iowa joining in tonight.
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    THE best chat out there IMO #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Yay! Dave is here! #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Welcome Samantha! #sblchat
    In reply to @sjkibel
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Welcome Dave! #GreatTeachers #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:06 PM EST
    After all, Jill, You are hERE! #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Welcome Maddy ... awesome to see future educators joining conversation on how to"grade" Sts #sblchat
    • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:05 PM EST
      Let's all welcome Maddy {@stahrmie} to our Standards-Based Learning conversation tonight! #sblchat
      In reply to @stahrmie
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Jake from Minnesota! HS math! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Q1 What is the purpose of homework? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Good evening Jacob! #sblchat
    In reply to @jtmehr
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Glad to share #sblchat with you, Jake!
    In reply to @jtmehr
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Great to be with you here, my friend! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    #HereWeGrow #sblchat
  • beckyk4304 Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    hi! Becky Rients! 5-12 Instructional Coach from Iowa! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Welcome Becky! #sblchat
    In reply to @beckyk4304
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1: In theory, homework is practice, extension, or preparation. In reality, it is often…busywork. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 I prefer the word practice over homework - it can be done anywhere at any time. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 - Our purpose for Extended Learning (HW) is to give our Learners additional opportunities to experience growth and aha-moments! #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1) The purpose of homework should be practice. All content areas require practice to reinforce what was taught. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 Preparation, Practice, Extension or Integration. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: To give students the opportunity for extra practice with skills they haven't mastered #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: The purpose of HW is a choice made by each student. I don't think it is a teacher's place to label it with a specific purpose. #sblchat
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: It is either enrichment or torture #sblchat
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Denise, HS instructional coach from SC #sblchat
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1- HW should be practice that is purposeful. If it's not purposeful, then HW can be useless or dangerous. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    And Speculation, maybe? #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 Haha .. as a parent, I hate homework ... as Tchr of struggling Sts I find it difficult b/c it ⬆️ frustration so I don't give it #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    back at ya! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 Homework (though I prefer to just call it work) is practice that a student can do in order to help them master a skill. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 The purpose of practice (hw) is to work toward proficiency with the standards. It is not for compliance or routine. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 - Another reason for our Extended Learning Opportunities (HW) is because we believe in the potential of our Learners! #sblchat
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 Very boring, usually. #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Agreed about the need for practice. Is assigning work to be done outside of school hours essential for this? #sblchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Let's go with choice A :) #sblchat
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Oops, Gary, Skokie, IL. Secondary math. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Enrichment - YES! Torture - #STOPIT #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    @alicekeeler…talking homework in #sblchat tonight. You should join in if you can. :-)
    In reply to @alicekeeler
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Hi Denise! #sblchat
    In reply to @djlessard2016
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Denise, pleased to see you! #sblchat
    In reply to @djlessard2016
  • beckyk4304 Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: practice over a skill if they haven't mastered it yet. #sblchat
  • briandurgin Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: should be about learning, exploration, and fun #sblchat
  • EGHSPrincipalRI Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 Ideally homework another opportunity to engage in a practice/feedback loop to those who feel they need it #sblchat
  • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1) Extra practice for learning a specific standard. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 Practice & chance for Ss to know themselves & where they are at in their learning more clearly. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    RT Q1 What is the purpose of homework? #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    I agree with this in theory. But do all kids need the same practice? #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Yes .. as much as it can reinforce good habits it can also reinforce bad ones #sblchat
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1 But really, all part of the learning process. It's the way to get to proficiency/mastery. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Glad to have you with us tonight Gary! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrgarychu
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1) I don't believe so, no. However, I'm open to it happening as long as we avoid scoring it. #sblchat
    • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
      Agreed about the need for practice. Is assigning work to be done outside of school hours essential for this? #sblchat
      In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • chelseifox Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: if only there was one answer to this question! #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1. Definitely practice. Get better at what we know. Extensions and exploration can be added in too. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Gary, we were wondering... #sblchat
    In reply to @mrgarychu
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    But only if they are almost there. Bad practice is bad for S and T. #sblchat
    In reply to @beckyk4304
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Playing fields are not equal for Ss doing homework - too many factors #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Oooh, this literacy person likes that idea a lot. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    That’s how I’m thinking about this too. Practice makes permanent! #sblchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    going to be sporadic in my #sblchat posts tonight; currently waiting to get seated for dinner!
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1:My Ss HW was usually connecting in-class experience w/ home life;finding examples, reflecting,talking w/family about concepts #sblchat
  • KRScienceLady Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 Is it necessary especially at lower grade levels? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Let's #MakeLearningPersonal with the Extended Learning (HW) we offer... #sblchat
    • EGHSPrincipalRI Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
      A1 Ideally homework another opportunity to engage in a practice/feedback loop to those who feel they need it #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:11 PM EST
    If it builds self-efficacy, then homework is great. #sblchat
    In reply to @EGHSPrincipalRI
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    You said the key here, @EGHSPrincipalRI… for those who need it. (i.e., differentiated!) #sblchat
    In reply to @EGHSPrincipalRI
    • EGHSPrincipalRI Mar 8 @ 9:09 PM EST
      A1 Ideally homework another opportunity to engage in a practice/feedback loop to those who feel they need it #sblchat
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1 Homework is for practice, assessing current status & next steps, or prep for next lesson, nothing more. Shouldn't be graded. #sblchat
  • LarsonGarth Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Garth Larson, President of FIRST Educational Resources and Director of Learning in Winneconne, WI #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    So the only good practice is perfect practice??? #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @DaveWheeler11
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Hi Garth. Good to see you in #sblchat
    In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Far from it! I said practice makes permanent…not perfect. :-) #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @DaveWheeler11
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    what winter? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1 Important for hw to not be repetitive, busy-work #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1) Not sure it's "necessary" at any level but practice can be required for any student. The younger the more I'd limit it however. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Hi Garth! So glad you could join us tonight! #sblchat
    In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    We tell our Learners in #HSMath, if you're not getting the answers provided, STOP the "bad practice". #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:10 PM EST
      But only if they are almost there. Bad practice is bad for S and T. #sblchat
      In reply to @beckyk4304
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:13 PM EST
    So if I practice doing things badly I get worse? #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
    The winter by the calendar! #sblchat
    In reply to @kenmattingly
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
    That’s what I’m thinking. Reinforcing doing something the wrong way…solidifies doing it wrong. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Garth, welcome to #sblchat Tonight!
    In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Meaningful HW depends on grade level. Researchers Hattie and Cooper say HW in ES has zero effect on learning. #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    My thoughts exactly… #sblchat
    In reply to @djlessard2016, @mrsprebble84
  • EGHSPrincipalRI Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Always strive for differentiated, personal & intrinsic that way it isn't assigned, rather it is chosen #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Can hw be reduced in size? Sore that quality > quantity is important? #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    glad to be back - it's been a while for me at #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    So if we ask students to practice we need to be sure that they basically have got it and need to reinforce, right? #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    So true, we cannot have students working with a very new concept for homework. Bad habits form very quickly. #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @kenoc7
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I do love that my 3rd graders wants to read at home -- used to be expected as HW now by her choice #sblchat
    • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
      Meaningful HW depends on grade level. Researchers Hattie and Cooper say HW in ES has zero effect on learning. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q2 How do you ensure that homework/practice is respectful to your students? #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Agree with this in principle, but we have to be careful to not misquote this research. #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • Owen_Webb Mar 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    we can falsely claim homework as rigour #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:16 PM EST
    LOVE this. #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2 We cannot blanket assign homework everyday and keep it respectful to all learners. Each is an individual with different needs. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2 - Our Extended Learning (HW) is respectful to our Learners as it's suggested and optional for those Not Yet Proficient (NYP). #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2 Provide choices in what, when, how and whether. #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Or do we just need to ensure that students are practicing in a way that allows them to get timely feedback? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @d_mulder
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2- I give reading to be ready for class and tell Ss to bring back confusion. I expect them to not be able to learn it all alone. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Late to the party! Hi all. #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    HW is more about memorizing a process than enriching ideas if it's abt practice. HW as learning through videos, etc = another story #sblchat
    • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
      My thoughts exactly… #sblchat
      In reply to @djlessard2016, @mrsprebble84
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Or maybe it's a project / problem that is utilizing thinking and solving skills instead of accuracy practice? (Sounds confusing ☺) #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
      So if we ask students to practice we need to be sure that they basically have got it and need to reinforce, right? #sblchat
      In reply to @d_mulder
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Reading every day at home is highly encouraged. Don't make them keep a reading log. #sblchat
    • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:15 PM EST
      I do love that my 3rd graders wants to read at home -- used to be expected as HW now by her choice #sblchat
      • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:14 PM EST
        Meaningful HW depends on grade level. Researchers Hattie and Cooper say HW in ES has zero effect on learning. #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A few of my thoughts on Hattie in particular: https://t.co/9e7HQEnqg0 #nomorecrappyhomework #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    I'm sorta lurking. Jeremy, Connecticut parent. Have all sorts of feelings about homework. Interesting responses. #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2) Respectful for me would start with not taking too much of their time away from school. Time limit/workload should be minimal #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
    What @garnet_hillman said... #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:17 PM EST
      A2 We cannot blanket assign homework everyday and keep it respectful to all learners. Each is an individual with different needs. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 I don't directly assign homework but do have a lot of student that like to work at home. Best part is that it is THEIR decision. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 Practice should guide Ss on their learning journey. It needs to be authentic, relevant, and lead to next steps in proficiency. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 - Our Extended Learning (HW) is respectful to our Learners since we provide "feedforward" to encourage more growth in them. #sblchat
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 Homework respects Ss when it is appropriate in challenge and volume. As must be ready for it. Otherwise Ts asking for probs #sblchat
  • briandurgin Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: know the needs and the support your Ss have at home. If no help at home, hard to do if you don't understand. #sblchat
  • mrgarychu Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    that's a great question. I think it is dependent on content area, age. #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    That’s what I’m getting at! You’re reading me right. :-) #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 stop giving zeroes - if its important enough to assign them hold kids accountable wo giving grade as punishment #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: Communication communication communication. I need to know what they need and what they can handle - both academically and SEL #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Exactly! :-) #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    And, if I recall correctly, the effect size for capable secondary students is higher than low performing. #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    That would definitely help! :-) #sblchat
    In reply to @jtmehr, @kenoc7
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 Give them what they need, not more. Choice is huge! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    RT Q2 How do you ensure that homework/practice is respectful to your students? #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 my Sts struggle to get to school - no "free time" at home since they work to help pay bills or are stuck in home for safety #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Jeremy, "lurkers" are always welcome in #sblchat though we try to stimulate conversation! Ready?
    In reply to @JeremyDBond
  • Math912Teacher Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Yes! I can't wait to see @tguskey on Friday! #sblchat
    In reply to @tguskey
  • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 - understand that our perception of how long it takes to complete at home may be different than what it actually takes. #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    This is an interesting question! #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    The PDK article The Case Against the Zero by @DouglasReeves is still a good read on this topic! #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton, @DouglasReeves
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2: if you must give it make it meaningful. #sblchat
  • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A) Required HW that is graded is very disrespectful to all students and devastating to some students from dysfunctional homes. #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Math colleague had her AP Calc Sts try to solve & then write their "point of confusion" - successful results #sblchat
  • mrterborg Mar 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Provide access to a school library. Children have freedom to explore their curiosities. (Research shows scores go up too....) #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:20 PM EST
    This is ESSENTIAL! #sblchat
    • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:19 PM EST
      A2 - understand that our perception of how long it takes to complete at home may be different than what it actually takes. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2: Standing HW assignmt in my HS ELA classes was read 30 mins, 3 times a wk. If not done, didn't put you behind in class. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    I had students like that too- Unrealistic for them to do homework. so we got the work done in school. #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • amyjanecek Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    What is meant by "respectful"? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    This from @AaronSBlackwel1 on Extended Learning (HW)... #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    By giving Ss choice on the HW. Choice of practice, learning, creating ?s, etc. Give Ss respect to choose, they trust Ts more. #sblchat
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2 Individualized HW shows rspect and understanding of learner needs. #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Love to read @DouglasReeves work. Very good. #sblchat
    In reply to @DouglasReeves
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Be brave and start a conversation that matters #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: Also w self-chosen books as HW, students could also do all 90 mins on weekend if they wanted + 2e had 20-20 mins SSR weekly #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Our APCurriculum shared this with us this month ... powerful ... it helped me understand #sblchat
  • stahrmie Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: #sblchat I teach in a rural area where some kids don't have access to internet so I try to keep practice that uses tech in the classroom
  • briandurgin Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    they love to learn when we don't squash their curiosity. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    If it is important, it happens between the bells! #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @SylviaEllison
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Altogether, I try to avoid giving homework. In my class students only need to complete what they have not finished.#PBL #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Love it when Learning becomes a Conversation! #sblchat
  • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A2) If the classroom culture is fixated on grades over learning, all "work" and "hw" is disrespectful. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Completely agree. I didn't assign homework or use the word myself. It was practice. #sblchat
    In reply to @jtmehr, @SylviaEllison
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A2: like all things,include Ss in planning; Ss envision incredible ideas/way to share; HW is on their time so esp. this #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Forcing learning promotes compliance and not deep thought. Fix the root of the problem (ie overworking), more room for learning. #sblchat
    • sarahb823 Mar 8 @ 9:21 PM EST
      Q3: Why is important to recognize that both students and teachers need to refresh and recharge? How does this impact motivation? #101alag
  • beckyk4304 Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A2: student choice, make it purposeful, and give timely feedback! #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Let’s just agree that homework is NOT about “teaching responsibility.” More here: https://t.co/Ma6Iu18qw6 #sblchat #nomorecrappyhomework
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    I try to keep them interesting! #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Impt to remember that not all kids have tech at home & that all don't have place or time to work. #sblchat
    In reply to @stahrmie
  • MrsMurat Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
    And I love it when that conversation also includes my learning and #StuVoice #sblchat
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Worth reading again! #sblchat
    • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:23 PM EST
      A2) If the classroom culture is fixated on grades over learning, all "work" and "hw" is disrespectful. #sblchat
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2 Provide voice, choice, & time during class. Must be perceived as relevant to learning & purposeful for growth #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Yes ... and if my procedures are efficient, then I can maximize learning "between bells" every day #sblchat 💜
    • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
      If it is important, it happens between the bells! #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman, @SylviaEllison
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2) Love the discussion regarding homework/practice working towards students goal. Proficiency or mastery, make it original #sblchat
  • amyjanecek Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2 Tapping into students interests so they make connections to their HW. Metaphors, poem, connect a topic to their life for HW #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Exactly! #sblchat
    • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
      Yes ... and if my procedures are efficient, then I can maximize learning "between bells" every day #sblchat 💜
      • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
        If it is important, it happens between the bells! #sblchat
        In reply to @garnet_hillman, @SylviaEllison
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Exactly. All about that intrinsic mot. Focus on growth&the love of learning increases pride, confidence, success. Boom #sblchat
    In reply to @briandurgin
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Q3 Should homework/practice be counted in a student’s grade? Why or why not? #sblchat
  • bittmand Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I love this @jillgrafton #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    This will #MakeLearningPersonal #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Holding our breath... #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A3: Incorporating ANYTHING besides achievement in the grade muddies the water about the meaning. No homework in the grade! #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Join us in #sblchat (standards-based learning chat) 🙂
    • derekjathomas Mar 8 @ 9:24 PM EST
      @CoachLesterBHS My current philosophy: Unless it is reading a book or writing a paper, homework is useless and unnecessary.
      In reply to @SylviaEllison, @CoachLesterBHS
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3 Absolutely not. Practice is just that, practice. We simply cannot penalize Ss for making mistakes thru the learning process. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3 - Extended Learning (HW) is not graded since it's Practice. It often reveals errors in thinking that can be corrected in class. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    LOUDER Dave... #sblchat
    • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:25 PM EST
      A3: Incorporating ANYTHING besides achievement in the grade muddies the water about the meaning. No homework in the grade! #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Yes, and that was after I gave ample time in class w/chance to ask each other & me. #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    No. Because no. #sblchat
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3- No. For many, many reasons. But mostly because it distorts achievement and it's professional malpractice. #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3 Not over my dead body. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3: Depends on whether the grading system rigs it such that HW/practice would count punitively #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Nope! Grades should indicate mastery not copying, motivation to do something, compliance, nagging from Ts or Ps, etc. #sblchat
  • MrsMurat Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Preach! #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
      A3 Absolutely not. Practice is just that, practice. We simply cannot penalize Ss for making mistakes thru the learning process. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    This is major in literacy. We crush their love of reading, of story, then wonder why test scores aren't tops. #sblchat
    • briandurgin Mar 8 @ 9:22 PM EST
      they love to learn when we don't squash their curiosity. #sblchat
      In reply to @MrOzarka
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Becky IS the #FinalWord. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 Counting practice (hw) in a grade can create fear in students about being perfect from the outset in a unit or with a concept. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 - Extended Learning (HW) should not be graded as it can skew the Learner's grade away from Proficiency on our Standards. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 Nope! It's practice. Once you think you've got it, then we can talk about you can demonstrate your knowledge. #sblchat
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Great piece. As a parent, it makes me think about how many adults should really be responsible for teaching a kid responsibility. #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3) I do not believe it should count towards a grade. Variables exist outside the room that skew the score. Feedback is required #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A# No, no no. 1. If done at home don’t know who did it. 2. Must be risk free. 3. If part of grades = compliance; if not = learning. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Dead Man Walking...? #sblchat
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 too easy of a question but sadly many don't "get it" The way its always been done can't fly anymore #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Can you say more about that? I’m intrigued by this. #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    @d_mulder Unfortunately most school systems still don't have standards-based grades so tinkering is required #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @d_mulder
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3: I feel like this question is a bit of a non-option. If you are in this chat, you likely think it shouldn't be. #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 who suffers? And for what reason? Be clear about what is graded - learning or compliance? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    RT Q3 Should homework/practice be counted in a student’s grade? Why or why not? #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    What do you mean by “tinkering?” What does the grade mean, if we’re “tinkering?” #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery, @RoweRikW
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3 Just me but Homework is practice. It should be completed but not graded. It's about mistakes & learning, not being right. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3: Not counting practice assumes that the teacher knows how to make valid assessments of/for mastery. Most I see don't. #sblchat
  • LarsonGarth Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3 Student's academic grade no way...life skills and behavior grade-potentially! If it truly is about their learning! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Skewing...? #sblchat
    • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
      What do you mean by “tinkering?” What does the grade mean, if we’re “tinkering?” #sblchat
      In reply to @drangelapeery, @RoweRikW
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    This is why I'm glad my school has "Teacher Discretion" as part of the grade. Leaves some leeway for the teacher to use SBG... #sblchat
    • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:27 PM EST
      @d_mulder Unfortunately most school systems still don't have standards-based grades so tinkering is required #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW, @d_mulder
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I wouldn't pay much heed to anything Hattie says. #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    school wide homework policies Say No more...#sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @drangelapeery
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: In ELA, I know that practicing writing & reading helps lead to mastery. So I used 20% of the grade for that. (not a SB school) #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    .@BradLatzke Raises point: Is academic proficiency the only thing that HW can develop? #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: How do you answer Ts who say it should account for 5-10% of grade? #sblchat
  • amyjanecek Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Q3 No. HW is practice and Ss learn from feedback. If you add a score, the feedback is lost so it should be considered practice. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Profound statement! #sblchat
    • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
      A3: Not counting practice assumes that the teacher knows how to make valid assessments of/for mastery. Most I see don't. #sblchat
  • iconohash Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Your daily conversation report is ready for #sblchat for Mar 7th https://t.co/zYb9j3TDIW
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3:most of my HW (when assigned) was reflection/ connection&open ended/application;so yes, it did factor in their grade #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    I don't even give "participation" grades ... I refuse to "grade" practice in class too .. I clearly set dates for assessments #sblchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    I love this. Responsibility/work ethic can be assessed with the completion of practice but not academically. #sblchat
    • LarsonGarth Mar 8 @ 9:28 PM EST
      A3 Student's academic grade no way...life skills and behavior grade-potentially! If it truly is about their learning! #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    But again, that means the policy requires teachers to be expert assessors of mastery. That's a big leap. #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton, @d_mulder
  • LarsonGarth Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3: if it's necessary, reasonable and student centered-yes to life skills/behavior grade, NEVER to academic grade. #sblchat
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A2) A thoughtfully worded question. Answer: Don't assign it. I.e.,don't tell them exactly what to do. Let them lead their learning. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Key is what do we want them to gain from the experience. What standards are we aiming for? So, it depends. #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
    #sblchat Disagree. #noHW hurts disadvantaged Ss. https://t.co/lauDoZNTRS
    In reply to @POWERofICU
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Some Ts think that they are grading life skills by grading HW. Irony is they aren't clearly grading either. #sblchat
    In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Why? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Many of our Learners do not have a place to do their HW... #sblchat
    • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:30 PM EST
      A3:most of my HW (when assigned) was reflection/ connection&open ended/application;so yes, it did factor in their grade #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that you don’t view Ts as assessors? #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery, @jillgrafton
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A3: I took calculus in college. Failed the course and did the HW because I KNEW it counted for something. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    We have failed in teaching our teachers how to best assess. If in a strong PLC, this gets better.If not, students suffer. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
    I would ask why it it part of the grade? What standard is being met? How does it show mastery of standard? #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    confused as well...#sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @drangelapeery
  • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A3) Absolutely not. Floors me how giving it and grading it is still the status quo in most schools. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Agreed Angela. Our Teachers need mentoring. #sblchat
    • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
      We have failed in teaching our teachers how to best assess. If in a strong PLC, this gets better.If not, students suffer. #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I'm a consultant & help others design assessments. I'm saying most Ts don't know how to assess well. #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @jillgrafton
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I think it goes back to rewardingly compliance instead of encouraging learning #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Students definitely need practice. But grading practice is like the free throws you shoot in practice counting for your game stats. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Apparently doing HW didn’t help! #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
    For me, it is honor those who spent time doing the practice. For me, it is often credit/no credit. I use it to see where Ss are at. #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    As well as finding passion in anything you do. You can learn to like something at least partly. #sblchat
    • JeffModaff Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
      With all of the anxiety in children today, I think it is so important to model for students how to live a balanced life. #101alag
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A3: #SBLChat Yes, I think so... but only mildly. If one doesn't grade it, does one value it? In the Ss' eyes, no.
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A3:I'm definitely the minority on this Q...😫I wish I could show an example of the type of HW I'd give! Redos are always an option! #sblchat
  • jillgrafton Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    failed or still learning? #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery, @RoweRikW
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Most Ts don't design good tests, don't collaborate, & rarely get feedback on their tests. Thus no growth. #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton, @d_mulder
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
    There is always room to learn for Ts and Ss. #sblchat
    In reply to @jillgrafton, @drangelapeery
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Q4 How can student choice be built into homework/practice? #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Thanks for clarifying. Respectfully, I disagree with you. #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery, @jillgrafton
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    I think this is why feedback is so important to any work our S's do. Gives meaning to the practice we assign. #sblchat
    • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
      A3: #SBLChat Yes, I think so... but only mildly. If one doesn't grade it, does one value it? In the Ss' eyes, no.
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    I think Standards-based clears up much confusion about assessment. Students hit the mark, or not. #sblchat
    In reply to @drangelapeery, @jillgrafton
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Honor them in their work habits grade not their achievement grade. #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    No worries about having a different response! Could you describe an assignment? #sblchat
    In reply to @djlessard2016
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    We must #STOPIT! #sblchat
    • POWERofICU Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
      A3) Absolutely not. Floors me how giving it and grading it is still the status quo in most schools. #sblchat
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
    @baritoneblogger I think it's marker on the road to SBG. It's better than 25%, but the goal is be penalty free practice #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @baritoneblogger
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 Students should have a say in their learning. They will engage in the process and can hone decision making skills. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A2 (kinda): I reviewed dozens of assessmts last week. Most were not nearly at rigor of standards they purported to measure. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 - Our Learners choose which, if any, Extended Practice (HW) they're requesting to seek "feedforward" for more growth. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Yes! That joy is what try to build in library, where "we tell ourselves stories in order to live" as Didion wrote #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    But I DID get better. That's not true. That isn't a reason to NOT assign HW. #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:32 PM EST
      Apparently doing HW didn’t help! #sblchat
      In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4- I always tell Ss as soon as they feel good about the practice, they stop. If they don't feel good, keep going/get more feedback #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3 Hearing some uncertainity between "HW" and "practice".i understand grading something that isn't daily practice, but ...#sblchat
  • teacher_rlester Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Q2 The idea of homework is antiquated. Homework should not be given at all. All we are grading with it is Ss home life. #sblchat
  • jonbartelt Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4: Build mastery options like a restaurant menu, give students the opportunity to choose their mode of expressing mastery. #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3: There is this premise that practice should never be graded. I question that premise. #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    But if HW is "responsibility / work ethic" Grading, then can't their jobs satisfy that measurement? #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    I would fear scoring anything done outside of class. #sblchat
    • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
      A3 Hearing some uncertainity between "HW" and "practice".i understand grading something that isn't daily practice, but ...#sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
    We trained them into that. Many people in this chat have proved that we can train them out of it. @RoweRikW #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 If given choice with practice, will students make poor decisions at times? Yes, but this is where Ts step in and guide. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 Ss in my room can choose to work at home or not (as long as the learning happens). They decide what day and for how long. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 - Our Learners often know the Standard where they have their lowest Proficiency and choose to learn more with it. #sblchat
  • beckyk4304 Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4: maybe through choice boards or how they learn best? #sblchat
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    That's awesome if you are working with demographics who see merits in a 'good job.' It's good to show knowledge of Ss. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Respectfully I agree with Angela. #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @drangelapeery, @jillgrafton
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    @baritoneblogger I think it's a marker on the road to SBG. It's better than 25%, but the goal is penalty free practice #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @baritoneblogger
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4) S's who know where they with regards to proficiency/mastery can determine the amount of practice and what skill they practice. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    We never grade Extended Learning (HW) and our Learners ask for more and grow with it. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @jwalkup
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4: Very carefully. Ss will avoid that which they are not comfortable... but that is hardly the way to build wide set of skills #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    RT Q4 How can student choice be built into homework/practice? #sblchat
  • BClarksonTX Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Then I would say it's a "values problem" that some Ss have. We need to move them from valuing a # to valuing learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I don't grade daily work & my Sts work hard every day ... create culture & Sts will choose learning (my 15 failed class last sem) #sblchat
    • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
      A3: #SBLChat Yes, I think so... but only mildly. If one doesn't grade it, does one value it? In the Ss' eyes, no.
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Yes, if teacher knows how to assess stnd properly. I work w 100s of Ts a yr.Plenty of bad tests out there.#sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @jillgrafton
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    When the teacher changes their language and lens on hw, the kids will follow. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @jwalkup, @RoweRikW
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    So important, as student choice is a big factor in building student mastery of their learning! #sblchat
    • jonbartelt Mar 8 @ 9:35 PM EST
      A4: Build mastery options like a restaurant menu, give students the opportunity to choose their mode of expressing mastery. #sblchat
  • amyjanecek Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Q4 Choice in articles to read/analyze. Choice in math problems and I mean real problems not odd or evens! #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Not sure I believe that Ss ask for more HW. Perhaps a select few do. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @kenoc7
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I wonder if compliance versus learning is a false dichotomy. #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4: Choice in content is ideal. My Ss are writing lit theme essays on book, movie, tv show, or video game. #sblchat
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    We all sit in diff places.13 yrs of consulting & reviewing assessmts almost every mo has informed me.#sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @d_mulder, @jillgrafton
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Its difficult to make all HW relevant w/o being obviously contrived. #sblchat
    In reply to @CaseyStansifer
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Pink (Drive) shows how everyone wants to get better because it makes us feel good. Have to tap into that. #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    We've had many Learners just this week request Extra Practice to improve their proficiency on our Standards. @kenoc7 #sblchat
    • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
      Not sure I believe that Ss ask for more HW. Perhaps a select few do. #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW, @kenoc7
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4 my writing answers are optional, it's the structure/skill that I need to be accurate #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4 I think I big part of this is using formative assignments. Feedback helps Ss choose appropriate practice. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    This is what building a safe learning environment can lead to! #sblchat
    • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
      A4 - Our Learners often know the Standard where they have their lowest Proficiency and choose to learn more with it. #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Choice can be on anything. However, it is important to counsel Ss on making wise choices. Can only happen if we allow them to fail. #sblchat
  • patrickfhansen Mar 8 @ 9:38 PM EST
    true! We want to foster student commitment, not merely compliance #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger, @SylviaEllison
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
    All I have seen is anecdotal evidence (which always supports one's own ideals). #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @RoweRikW
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4: So much of it comes down to having a real relationship with students. With larger class sizes, it’s tougher to do this. #sblchat
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Right. And when 85-95% of your grade is assessment, who cares? #sblchat Teach stuff that matters.
    In reply to @kenmattingly, @kenoc7
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:39 PM EST
    We learn more from mistakes and mistakes happen when we push our comfort zone. A culture of learning pushes this idea. Starts day 1 #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    And how are you going to verify this? #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @kenoc7
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    100% agree ... and in the moment feedback is better than next day feedback #sblchat - Tools for TCHR uses VIP & praise/prompt/leave
    • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:34 PM EST
      I think this is why feedback is so important to any work our S's do. Gives meaning to the practice we assign. #sblchat
      • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:33 PM EST
        A3: #SBLChat Yes, I think so... but only mildly. If one doesn't grade it, does one value it? In the Ss' eyes, no.
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Ss time away from school day can have significant demands beyond traditional HW. This is real-life HW. Ex: work, family care. #sblchat
    • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:29 PM EST
      .@BradLatzke Raises point: Is academic proficiency the only thing that HW can develop? #sblchat
      In reply to @BradLatzke
  • BClarksonTX Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    True "homework" should be practice only. Otherwise, it does little more than fluff up grades & devalue the number. Feedback is key! #sblchat
  • patrickfhansen Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    yes, and tap into learning for a purpose as well #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @baritoneblogger
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    It’s fascinating to see different perspectives come out about the meaning and purpose of grading. #sblchat
  • amyjanecek Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Q4 A middle school lets students choose a mild, medium or spicier level for academic challenge HW in ELA. #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    this is an area I need to grow in. I've learned a lot this year but need to work on culture that values practice. #sblchat
    In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Absolutely. But when we place grades on practice, we confuse Ss as to what a grade means. It's no longer mastery. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    What if what a teacher is teaching has no relevance in that student's life? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Tons of evidence that grading/scoring HW doesn’t help. What helps is descriptive feedback. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Higher Proficiencies on our Standards speak for themselves. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @kenoc7
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
    For educators who only see grades as “payment” for the work kids do, SBG is a hard sell. #sblchat
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    disconcerting thought, grading students' "home." Hard to make grading not to appear like a judgment. #sblchat
    In reply to @teacher_rlester
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Agree, students need practice w/decision making. When they fail, recovery is the important part - not that they failed. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Right. Which is why I took those things into account when I wrote this: https://t.co/lauDoZNTRS #sblchat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    my Ss value hw/practice bc they see it helps them when they're accountable for a grade. Fewer probs now than ever before #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
    For educators who have the experience of helping kids discover both *what* and *how* they understand, SBG makes perfect sense. #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Exactly. Punishing practice (HW) shifts focus from growth to points chasing. #sblchat
    • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
      Absolutely. But when we place grades on practice, we confuse Ss as to what a grade means. It's no longer mastery. #sblchat
      In reply to @jwalkup
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I'd rather them come for extra practice to ELP (after school extended learning program) ... practice with support #sblchat
    • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:36 PM EST
      A4 Ss in my room can choose to work at home or not (as long as the learning happens). They decide what day and for how long. #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I don't think grades should only reflect mastery. It's also about showing you can get a job done. #sblchat
    In reply to @CaseyStansifer
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I'd be interested in more thoughts on this. #sblchat
    • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:37 PM EST
      I wonder if compliance versus learning is a false dichotomy. #sblchat
      In reply to @SylviaEllison
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Agreed! Not only an opportunity to fail, but also remediate! #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Why do you wonder? #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger, @SylviaEllison
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Friends, I have to run. It was GREAT to be back chatting with you! Thanks for the conversation. #sblchat
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A4 Often, HW is an extension of something in class. We are studying Reparations for AfAm community, so they read @tanehisicoates. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Q5 What are some effective ways to give descriptive feedback on homework/practice? #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    That is zero evidence that Ss are requesting more HW. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Thanks Dave! Hope to see you back soon. #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A4:by having Ss reflect/connect the day's content to their home life,very personalized/open ended. Often use to initiate discussion #sblchat
  • BClarksonTX Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    That said, ditch hwk & let Ss work n class where they r guaranteed support from peers/Ts. Can u guarantee support @ home 4 all Ss? #sblchat
  • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    .@RoweRikW and @garnet_hillman, you guys are the best. Thanks for your leadership! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    And the "Why"! @d_mulder @simonsinek #sblchat
    In reply to @d_mulder, @simonsinek
    • d_mulder Mar 8 @ 9:41 PM EST
      For educators who have the experience of helping kids discover both *what* and *how* they understand, SBG makes perfect sense. #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Respect the thoughts behind this, but school is about learning and should not be confused with a job. Training isn't the game. #sblchat
    • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:42 PM EST
      I don't think grades should only reflect mastery. It's also about showing you can get a job done. #sblchat
      In reply to @CaseyStansifer
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I think if you can make a strong connection to the S that doing HW = higher grade, fine. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenmattingly
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5 My favorite feedback method is one on one conversations with Ss. It deepens the relationship w/them and garners great results. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5 - We provide "feedforward" to help Learners grow by asking questions on their Extended Learning (HW) to seek F2F conversations. #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Isn't the "job" learning? Show me you can learn this! However you can get there! #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    With SBG you report on both academics and behaviors - just separately. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • CaseyStansifer Mar 8 @ 9:44 PM EST
    No problem. Recording mastery and behavior separately might be the compromise. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 - We circle errors on their Extended Learning/HW and write "Why multiply here?" It stimulates thinking & conversation. #sblchat #HSMath
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    .@MrOzarka Interesting, because ability to see a job through drives so much of career success. So is school nothing but academics? #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 When feedback cannot be accomplished w/1:1 convos, I like written & voice comments. Easy to personalize & give a call to action. #sblchat
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    .@DaveWheeler11 Thanks. Appreciate it. I'm wondering if SBL-community has made it unsafe to talk structures/policies in classes. #sblchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    and that is incumbent on the teacher. We have to make connection clear to Ss. Otherwise we're just hoping they see it. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5- In person is the most powerful. Screecast for virtual feedback on writing. Model reflection and feedback. Ss give feedback. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    RT Q5 What are some effective ways to give descriptive feedback on homework/practice? #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    .@MrOzarka After all, a lot of classrooms emphasize char development; empathy; etc. Do u think those outside the role of a teacher? #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka
  • MrsMurat Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    @RoweRikW You could apply that to just about everything in life. Case in point: https://t.co/Oa8pJHW5Nf #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Well, they're not the life skills kids need at the time. School is for learning. Skills are to learn. Homework is about... work. #sblchat
    • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:31 PM EST
      Some Ts think that they are grading life skills by grading HW. Irony is they aren't clearly grading either. #sblchat
      In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A5: The main reason I stopped giving homework. If I don't give feedback why is it with the Ss time? #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    definitely challenge ... I make phone calls to discuss Progress>even had tablet stolen from sub -5 days later was returned #sblchat
    In reply to @jtmehr
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    I give about 10% on HW. Not enough to really gain much from cheating. But enough to prompt Ss to do it. #sblchat
    In reply to @CaseyStansifer
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Behaviors/habits are involved, but shouldn't be counted. They can still be reported of course and deserve feedback. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Depends on what is purpose of grades. If purpose is communicating achievement grades are about proficiency only. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Let's call that poor planning - regardless of Grading system that won't help or work #sblchat 💜
    • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:40 PM EST
      What if what a teacher is teaching has no relevance in that student's life? #sblchat
      In reply to @kenoc7
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    I think you will find that SOME Ss will make that connection. Others may require more direct rewards. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenmattingly
  • randomawwpics Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    #sblchat
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    we should all care. Ss academic grades should reflect how much they know, nor when they learned it. #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger, @kenoc7
  • drangelapeery Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Those are definitely part of the hidden (or overt) curriculum, but should not be part of a grade. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Does everything have to be reduced to a grade? What standards are addressed in these important traits? @MrOzarka #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A5 Conferring w/notes is a great first step. Then I used that info to inform instruction #sblchat
  • djlessard2016 Mar 8 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A5:conferencing and/or written dialogue with probing questions to keep learning interest/extension #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:48 PM EST
    There lies the problem. Pts are among the worst motivators for learning. More focus on pnts=less learning #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    .@kenoc7 @SylviaEllison SBL has become a 4 letter word. Either you are/aren't. You are good/bad. In/out. How do we say 'Yes, and'? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @SylviaEllison
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Actually, I was asking the question seriously, not rhetorically. I think the answer varies from T to T. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @MrOzarka
  • randomawwpics Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    #sblchat
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5 in the moment ... I use Visual Instruction Plans & Praise/Prompt/Leave ... every st gets 3-4 pieces explicit feedback every day #sblchat
  • MrsMurat Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Bitmojis to jazz it up, comments in Google Docs, voice recordings, show growth, all Q's to stretch Ss thinking etc. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Please join us Tues 14th 8 EDT for #caflnchat. Questions from guest host @myrondueck #sblchat
    In reply to @myrondueck
  • DaveWheeler11 Mar 8 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5) It must reviewed the next day and any work done the next day should support mistakes made previously. #sblchat
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    A5 One on one discussions are best. Interested in hearing more ideas. Math folks? #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Not at all. Those things will ultimately help learning occur. They should not be motivated by points though. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    I appreciate all perspectives. A bit skeptical of the vicious circle: HW to prepare them for more HW to come. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @POWERofICU
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    It was not a rhetorical response. What standards are being addressed? #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • LarsonGarth Mar 8 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Exactly @kenoc! This is why the PURPOSE of grades needs to always be the starting point for discussion. #sblchat
    In reply to @KenoC
    • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:46 PM EST
      Depends on what is purpose of grades. If purpose is communicating achievement grades are about proficiency only. #sblchat
      In reply to @jwalkup
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    If Ss are only motivated to do HW for a grade, they don't view the HW as important. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    It's a way to facilitate big leaps in learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    .@kenmattingly @kenoc7 But you didn't answer Q of what Ss learn. If a kid hates writing, making them redo an essay still sucks. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenmattingly, @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A5 - Effective feedback or better yet "feedforward" should be to promote growth in learning and in the Learner. #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    They get the idea that the T thinks its important. So they do too. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrOzarka, @CaseyStansifer
  • BearsloveBooks Mar 8 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Joining late but interested to read Ts thoughts about homework! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Q6 How do you handle it when students don’t complete homework/practice? #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I'm mystified - everyone has standards, so how has sol become four letter word? #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Brandee, welcome to #sblchat tonight.
    In reply to @BearsloveBooks
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Not sure. Does all learning have to mesh with standards? #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @MrOzarka
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Last Qn of the night in #sblchat ...
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Better yet ... determine why they hate writing ... mine couldn't write a thesis ... we started there #sblchat
  • CoachLesterBHS Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A6- Conversations about the relationship between practice and performance. Football teams are bad when they don't practice all week #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Well said #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84, @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A6 Students must complete the practice. If they don’t it warrants a conversation to determine next steps. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A6 - Our Extended learning (HW) is Optional, but Required prior to any REDO or re-assessment FOR Learning. They do it to REDO! #sblchat
  • technolandy Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    shouldnt it differ from S to S - some need more practice than others; some can't (not won't) have time #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @Perednia, @MrOzarka
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    @LarsonGarth Honored, Garth. Thank you. #sblchat
    In reply to @LarsonGarth
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    No, but grading should be. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Find what parts of writing they are somewhat good at and point that out. Get them to write about interests. #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    That's why I can't say that SBL is THE cure. SBL is b/c we discovered SOC were getting Fs because of implicit bias. #sblchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A6 if kids skip my class, they come to me to serve lunch learning ... I don't give hmwk b/c my Sts struggle #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
    In the end, there is no one answer. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @mrsprebble84, @MrOzarka
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Ss can think HW is important if the T says it is and they trust that T. Grades are extrinsic motivators. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    A6 Don’t let students off the hook with hw or practice. It leaves gaps in their learning & allows them to disengage f/the process. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    RT Q6 How do you handle it when students don’t complete homework/practice? #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    I appreciate your questions for clarity @mrsprebble84 @MrOzarka #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @mrsprebble84, @MrOzarka
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    .@kenoc7 I think it's because the system never offers it as a menu item. It's THE entree. If you don't like it, you don't eat. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:54 PM EST
    I used a similar analogy to discuss our way of work in class today "I'll not penalize your practice" #sblchat
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    I would say learning should mesh with standards which help label objectives so Ss know what is expected of them. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @Perednia
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6: I remind, communicate w/home and nag. But at then end of the day it is their choice and they might see no practice = no mastery #sblchat
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Grading learning does seem oxymoronic. Learning is a process. And the kid shouldn't be held responsible if s/he didn't fully learn. #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:26 PM EST
      A3 Absolutely not. Practice is just that, practice. We simply cannot penalize Ss for making mistakes thru the learning process. #sblchat
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    if focused feedback provided on what/how to improve, you've given S chance. You're not saying try harder #sblchat
    In reply to @baritoneblogger, @kenoc7
  • AaronSBlackwel1 Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6: Depends on what it is. If it was essential they have to do it in class. If it wasn't, let it go. #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Why standards based? Because in today's world we teach to standards & that is what Ss are held accountable for. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    We should be eliminating that type of extrinsic motivation and maximizing intrinsic motivation. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
    So Ss know what is expected of them. Shouldn't that be clear and concise? Ss aren't always the best mindreaders. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @Perednia
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    I believe in life-long learning ... the more we seek to learn, the more we min bias and focus on growth & mastery #sblchat 💜
    • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:53 PM EST
      That's why I can't say that SBL is THE cure. SBL is b/c we discovered SOC were getting Fs because of implicit bias. #sblchat
      In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • technolandy Mar 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A6 I try to find out 'why' (I don't often assign hwk without a purpose) to ensure 'life happening' doesn't impede their learning #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    I feel that my job as a teacher is to make sure all Ss learn. If it supports learning, I'm in! #sblchat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jwalkup, @POWERofICU
  • lowebrianc Mar 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A5: what if HW was a pre-lesson & Ss gave each other feedback the next day in bell-ringer. Then teacher unfolds lesson on Ss needs? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Join me in thanking @garnet_hillman for stimulating our healthy conversation on Meaningful Homework. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    I've worked where it was all for the grade. Real learning suffered. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • KatieBudrow Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    However I don't have the research nor the personal experience to state that HW supports learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jwalkup, @POWERofICU
  • kenmattingly Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6 as @POWERofICU says, the consequence of not doing the work is you do the work. No opting out. #sblchat
    In reply to @POWERofICU
  • baritoneblogger Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6: I don't have an answer for this. We still move on. Unless it was a required for the activity the next day. #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Our teaching must span the standards but theres no rule that says everything taught must be from the standards. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @MrOzarka
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    That could be fun #sblchat
    In reply to @lowebrianc
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    If we want to develop self-directed learners who will be successful beyond HS they need to be intrinsically motivated. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • teacher_rlester Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    all learning and feedback should happen in class. We cannot control the home environment. No homework. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    @garnet_hillman thanks for a great #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Building relationships helps with this. However, it's much easier to assign HW for points than build relationships for some Ts. :( #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:55 PM EST
      We should be eliminating that type of extrinsic motivation and maximizing intrinsic motivation. #sblchat
      In reply to @jwalkup, @CaseyStansifer
  • BradLatzke Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thx @garnet_hillman & @RoweRikW for the lightning rod topic/convo tonight. And to @jwalkup for pushing #sblchat thinking.
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW, @jwalkup
  • jtmehr Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    A6. What does complete mean if Ss have choice in practice? Does complete mean they weren't proficient on an assessment? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thanks everyone for a great chat! And a huge shout-out to my co-moderator @RoweRikW for all he does for student learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    IOW, our content can supplement, but not supplant the standards. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @MrOzarka
  • kenoc7 Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Yes it is a Canadian based chat but all welcome, including Thailand - and US. #sblchat
    • myrondueck Mar 8 @ 9:56 PM EST
      Looking forward to guest-hosting a Cdn-based Twitter chat! Bring one, bring all to #caflnchat on Tuesday, 5PM PST. US friends are welcome 2!
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Yes! Everyone contributed to my learning, which will be used to help my Ss. (Even in the library) #sblchat
  • JeremyDBond Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    👍🏽 And if it doesn't... If learning is the goal, nothing will always be the means to get there. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @jwalkup, @POWERofICU
  • BearsloveBooks Mar 8 @ 9:58 PM EST
    When Ss don't do homework they do it in study hall or home for a late grade. I rarely give it b/c Ss learn more together. #sblchat
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:59 PM EST
    But intrinsic motivation is really tough to develop. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • MrOzarka Mar 8 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Nor is anyone saying that everything taught must be from the standards. E.g. I do a lot of #GeniusHour projects. #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @Perednia
  • SylviaEllison Mar 8 @ 9:59 PM EST
    @garnet_hillman Thanks for a great chat & thanks everyone for the connections and thought-provoking dialogue 💜 #sblchat
  • Perednia Mar 8 @ 9:59 PM EST
    I like that, but I see a difference between what is taught/learned and what is graded #sblchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @MrOzarka
  • jwalkup Mar 8 @ 9:59 PM EST
    There is no research out there that really addresses this issue adequately. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @JeremyDBond, @POWERofICU