#DevDiscuss Archive
Tuesday November 15, 2016
9:00 PM EST
ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:01 PM EST
The sixth
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is starting now This week's topic: Imposter Syndrome
ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:01 PM EST
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
Alright, let's do this
@ThePracticalDev
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:06 PM EST
I repeatedly feel inadequate. I hear from peers the respect they have for me, but I always assume I know less than others
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:06 PM EST
I'm beginning of my career -- learning to code and there's no point where someone shakes your hand and says congrats u a dev
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:08 PM EST
You see other people as "experts". You know exactly what they know, but still find yourself second guessing.
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:09 PM EST
So at what point do you say you're a dev, or that know how to code? I'm pretty painfully conscious of how much I don't know
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
I run
@ThePracticalDev
, have lots to think and say about code, and I'm still terrified in group settings that I'll look foolish
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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AlekstheRealist
Nov 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
Imposter syndrome can be really demotivating that's why you must persist and keep learning to build your skill set
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
I was self taught. I don't know what some terms mean, or what that thing is called exactly. I always feel inferior.
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andrewmrobbins
Nov 15 @ 9:11 PM EST
Ways to combat imposter syndrome: 1. Study your language indepth 2. Build real applications 3. Repeat
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https://t.co/OiWy6T1LWA
ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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stefania_kaz
Nov 15 @ 9:12 PM EST
I don't have an engineering degree ergo I cannot dev to some people.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:12 PM EST
What gets more crazy, is when you hear something you know is wrong, but hen question yourself.
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slatermaus
Nov 15 @ 9:12 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I'm self-taught. Even a year after I got my first gig, I still felt weird.
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It mostly went away for me
In reply to @klovae, @ThePracticalDev
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
Sorry, was thus imposter syndrome, or the low self esteem support group. Stop me whenever 😬
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
Podcasts are tremendously important for me in overcoming imposter syndrome. Just being a fly on the wall helps so much
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sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
The worst thing about imposter syndrome is that even though I've read about it, I still feel like a Real Imposter
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chaos_goose
Nov 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
I never knew that so many other developers have at some point been hit with impostor syndrome
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kriskend
Nov 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
All groups deal with imposter syndrome, but I find it disproportionately affects some diversity groups
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wesbaker
Nov 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
Imposter syndrome gets stronger with time, but you also learn to live with it. It becomes a companion of sorts.
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mbaltrusitis
Nov 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
I take this one stop further & question reality as I know it when I hear something that is so obviously wrong
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In reply to @kellyjandrews
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:15 PM EST
Same. I've even dealt with it in previous work -- like someone's gonna find me out and be like "who let her in here??"
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sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:13 PM EST
The worst thing about imposter syndrome is that even though I've read about it, I still feel like a Real Imposter
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corinna000
Nov 15 @ 9:16 PM EST
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I'm self taught and don't value my own knowledge thus I often assume everyone knows what I know.
In reply to @kellyjandrews
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:16 PM EST
Could you elaborate on this? I always kind of expected the opposite.
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wesbaker
Nov 15 @ 9:14 PM EST
Imposter syndrome gets stronger with time, but you also learn to live with it. It becomes a companion of sorts.
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actualtentacle
Nov 15 @ 9:17 PM EST
I don't have a public portfolio so I must look like an amateur
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:17 PM EST
There are like a million terms/concepts in programming, and there's this unrealistic pressure to be familiar with all of them.
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MrWesDunn
Nov 15 @ 9:17 PM EST
I've been a PM for 2 years and have played part-time dev to help get things done and often wonder whether my efforts are useful
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
I find one thing that helps me with Impostor Syndrome, helping out others who know less than me about a particular topic
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
I get up and speak at conferences and worry everything I'm about to say is just inaccurate. I've not once been told this
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
College prepped me well for tech, but less so for soft skills. Feigned functional in a dysfunctional job.
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In reply to @ThePracticalDev
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
ah yeah that makes sense; the whole "the more you know, the more you know you don't know" thing.
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In reply to @wesbaker
yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
helps you realize that no matter how little you know, you know SOMETHING that someone else doesn't
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In reply to @yechielk
sonuvagunder
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
I first heard about impostor syndrome in
@davidwalshblog
https://t.co/fUkzt0HsGY
. It was encouraging to read.
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mtj3
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
Yeah it took me a while to feel like I was ready to jump from beginner level to intermediate level bc of imposter syndrome
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itsradditude
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
Relevant link for tonight's
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https://t.co/bOjEJW1PnR
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:19 PM EST
Yooooo this.
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sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:18 PM EST
I've worked in two fairly different fields and am sometimes even scared to talk about it for fear that people will "catch on"
In reply to @klovae
kriskend
Nov 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
I work on a team of rockstars, and it can be very intimidating especially when I ask for help like every day
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andrewmrobbins
Nov 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
1. Ive noticed there seems to be a superiority complex in the dev community where other devs try to sound smarter than others
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ayke_is_king
Nov 15 @ 9:20 PM EST
what is imposter syndrome?
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5paceToast
Nov 15 @ 9:21 PM EST
Imposter syndrome: "I'm not good, everyone else is just a lot worse"
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andrewmrobbins
Nov 15 @ 9:21 PM EST
2. Where it comes from I don’t know. However if you become comfortable with accepting that you don’t know things, that helps.
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andrewmrobbins
Nov 15 @ 9:21 PM EST
3. Plus people will like you more :)
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mobbsdev
Nov 15 @ 9:21 PM EST
I'm an MIS student trying to break into CS...After countless failed applications, imposter syndrome doesn't begin to describe it
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itsradditude
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
Those fundamentals are important, but don't require a degree to learn.
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In reply to @stefania_kaz, @MuscoviteBob, @ThePracticalDev
eliezerbernart
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
Everytime you reach some expertise level, you start looking to more difficult things to do and to learn
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
This applies pretty well to tonight's
#DevDiscuss
about imposter syndrome 😊 Many of these covers are about imposter syndrome, really.
ThePracticalDev
Sep 29 @ 10:48 AM EDT
The authoritative industry survival guide
mobbsdev
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
Those of you who have gotten to CS on a non-traditional path, where did you come from and how long did it take you?
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
for me it's that sinking feeling that someone's going to figure out that I don't know anything/don't belong
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In reply to @ayke_is_king
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:22 PM EST
that's spot on
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In reply to @klovae, @wesbaker
gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
not understanding fundamentals can sink a project regardless of "junior" vs. "senior"
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In reply to @stefania_kaz, @ThePracticalDev
jon_bristow
Nov 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
With an Anxiety disorder, the meds help power through it, but it doesn’t make it go away.
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
I don't see it so much a superiority complex as an inferiority complex
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In reply to @andrewmrobbins
io_exception
Nov 15 @ 9:23 PM EST
In the past I let go projects because I didn't felt prepared enough, even though I was
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
In such a fast moving field, it's easy to focus on the lot you don't have rather than the little you do...
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In reply to @andrewmrobbins
MrWesDunn
Nov 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
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podcasts have been a fantastic way for me to inform myself as a PM and write better requirements for devs
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eliezerbernart
Nov 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
But it loops forever, doesn't matter how much you advance, always seems you are halfway and needs to compensate to be on the top
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phallstrom
Nov 15 @ 9:24 PM EST
it's also imho a somewhat healthy reality check from time to time.
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In reply to @wesbaker
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
Fake it til you make it, amiright?
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In reply to @ThePracticalDev
FooBartn
Nov 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
I'm a principal/lead on my team, but have been nervous outside that. Delete more blog posts than I pub. Social-media-ly awkward.
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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dankim
Nov 15 @ 9:25 PM EST
There are so many talks, blog posts, podcasts and more that it always seems like others know more than you.
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In reply to @ThePracticalDev
co0lsky
Nov 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
Overcoming it by start helping people online with my programming skills.
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sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
I'd love to get some podcast recommendations up in here!!
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In reply to @MrWesDunn, @bendhalpern
bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
Imposter syndrome has been a huge limiting factor for me with open source. Really hard to tell if you're "doing it right"
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io_exception
Nov 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
Whatever you do to overcome the Impostor Syndrome, never brag or try to make feel less other devs.
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wesbaker
Nov 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
yeah, it’s a helpful reminder to brush up and keep current.
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In reply to @phallstrom
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
Yeah. All these amazing devs surely doing this better than me.
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In reply to @bendhalpern
JT_Grimes
Nov 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
I'm self-taught and I've worked as a solo dev for 5+ yrs but since no one has validated me, I still think I'm a junior.
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
I'd love to hear more about this -- open source seems to be a common avenue ppl point to for getting more xp
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:26 PM EST
Imposter syndrome has been a huge limiting factor for me with open source. Really hard to tell if you're "doing it right"
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
Be part of the solution, not the problem!
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io_exception
Nov 15 @ 9:27 PM EST
Whatever you do to overcome the Impostor Syndrome, never brag or try to make feel less other devs.
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.
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
I do find those who don't have IS in some way are oblivious to their own failings.
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sdaas
Nov 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
Great thread on imposter syndrome faced by software developers. See
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.
ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:30 PM EST
1) programming basics (branching/looping/IO…) 2) debugging/profiling 3) how to learn & synthesize
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WesWedding
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
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Can't contribute to this discussion lest everyone realize how little I might know.
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
IS, in healthy doses of course, can be a healthy reality check
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:29 PM EST
I do find those who don't have IS in some way are oblivious to their own failings.
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cathodion
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
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tbh I don't remember experiencing impostor syndrome until i found myself in the position of lead dev.
kriskend
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
The meritocracy of many open source communities makes imposter syndrome especially harmful
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In reply to @bendhalpern
MrWesDunn
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
#devdiscuss
Software Engineering Daily and Does Not Compute have been favorites of mine
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vi_charan
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
It's hard to talk to, discuss w/, question well experienced developers especially in tech meetups
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
People who do good open source work just seem like super heroes, it's tough to feel like you belong.
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In reply to @klovae
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
Constant practice. Read everything. Keep trying. Eventually it clicks.
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cathodion
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
#devdiscuss
Became a lead dev through attrition. Didn't know how to be a lead dev, but felt that asking for help would reveal my weakness.
jmdembe
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
I’m a woman, a POC, & jumping in w/ no CS degree. If someone were to say I am an imposter, I would be like “what took so long?"
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poofichu
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
I am technically a designer but am not a good enough developer to deliver production level code
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
The "Science" part of Computer Science doesn't change much or rely on the tech, easing new learning.
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
I was the 'lead-dev' in our office for a while. I had left uni a year ago working with people who had been doing this for years
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:32 PM EST
I think you could also call it "being humble"
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In reply to @yechielk
vi_charan
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I see many devs talking to themselves in tech meetups
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#impostorsyndrome
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FooBartn
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
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FooBartn
Nov 15 @ 9:28 PM EST
Effects me on a daily basis, but I'm a
#WIP
. Constantly have to tell myself to just put it out there. Lucky to be part of kind communities
yard_salad
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
I realized today I have fully internalized the corporate fear I used to loathe in others
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misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
@DevDiscussHQ
what people don't realize about impostor syndrome is that it keeps us from doing things we're interested in
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(1/?)
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
But with a strong/encouraging community, can also be helpful to learn new/better ways of doing things.
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In reply to @kriskend
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
Tight knit groups too - its like jumping in on a conversation you weren't invited to.
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
It as the scariest thing to be 'in charge' when I had so little experience, social anxiety, and terrible inter-personal skills.
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Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
Okay. Let's talk about
#impostorsyndrome
for
#devdiscuss
. I'm an impostor. I have no business giving anyone advice. Yet I do it everyday. 🔜
ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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appeltel
Nov 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
The only truly important skill is the ability to pick up new ones. The perpetual learner is more valuable than the expert.
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itsradditude
Nov 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
Thanks! Quoting so I can find these later.
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jessleenyc
Nov 15 @ 9:31 PM EST
Here you go -
@thepracticaldev
podcast recommendations!
https://t.co/QVhWAYSlC6
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:34 PM EST
that's the crazy thing. No one will ever actually say that. They may be standing there doubting themselves.
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In reply to @jmdembe
Alrecenk
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
.
@ThePracticalDev
I study constantly, but I'm goofy, so I'm underestimated.I give others imposter syndrome as a stealth expert.
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
True, but everything sounds better with an official sounding "syndrome" :)
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In reply to @kellyjandrews
leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
I had so little confidence that what I was doing was good. I felt like every single decision I was making was being judged
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jmdembe
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
Of course, I say it in a joking way, but that’s what it is for me.
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Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I dropped out of an e-Com program over a dozen years ago. Got started in professional development via
#vba
.
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🔜
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TheLarkInn
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
#ImposterSyndrome
is a recursive experience no matter how long you dev.
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In reply to @kellyjandrews, @jmdembe
MrWesDunn
Nov 15 @ 9:35 PM EST
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I feel you on that. I'm a PM on a small team and can feel like I shouldn't have an opinion. Openness to discuss is key
In reply to @poofichu
eliezerbernart
Nov 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
It's all about how u measure your achievements. Github stars? How can you measure yourself without comparing with someone else?
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
Luckily(or otherwise) I had a really bad bout of depression; and I said "I can't deal with this; I'd prefer to be a line-dev"
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davywybiral
Nov 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
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it took me more than 10 years to realize that I will never "master" software development. I envy the naive me.
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DamJess
Nov 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
Moved from art degree to communications career now software development. Oft paralyzed by feeling less than
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EduGladiators
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
💡Don't miss the last
#EduGladiators
chat of the series focused on Curious Thinkers
#ecechat
#worldgeochat
#TWOTCW
#teachwriting
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
When more senior devs acknowledge how difficult this whole coding thing can be, it really helps melt away my imposter syndrome
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WesWedding
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
#DevDiscuss
Generally been able to avoid much impostor syndrome, but follwoing Developer-aimed Twitter feeds has made it spike dramatically.
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
Mental health issues add such an extra layer of complication
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:36 PM EST
Luckily(or otherwise) I had a really bad bout of depression; and I said "I can't deal with this; I'd prefer to be a line-dev"
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
Big O matters more when transitioning from proof-of-concept to production. But even then, profile before coding. 😉
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In reply to @stefania_kaz
mrm8488
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I've seen ppl with CS degree and no idea about CS and ppl without CS degree who master in CS.
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In reply to @jmdembe, @ThePracticalDev
misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
Then implicit bias steps in. Oh, you're a girl? You must be organized. You must be a good communicator. Etc. (3/?)
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
Now I worry that I'm working on things too slowly, I'm implementing them badly, or generally f*ing up without having mgmt role
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metageeky
Nov 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
As a transwoman, I can't say emphatically enough how much imposter syndrome became more pronounced after I transitioned
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NazeefaFatima
Nov 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
😀🙈
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https://t.co/Adl1FmS3Rm
NazeefaFatima
Apr 26 @ 9:41 AM EDT
changing your text editor background colour to black & pretending that you're a programmer when in fact you're sorting out DNA sequences :|
FooBartn
Nov 15 @ 9:38 PM EST
Helping other people helped me. On a forum, reddit, etc. There are always ppl who know more. You're that to someone else.
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
You end up doing the same stuff. No one believes you can do something valuable until you believe in yourself (4/?)
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Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
I have a blog and lots of followers here on
#twitter
, but no one should listen to me. I'm just sharing my exp.
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In reply to @ThePracticalDev
sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
I think even discussions like this do a massive amount to help "normalize" the feeling - IS can be so isolating
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In reply to @bendhalpern
littlebirdgirl
Nov 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
It always feels like your failures are the ones that get remembered the most. Not true at all but it makes you TERRIFIED to risk
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:39 PM EST
1) gets you started 2) helps you find problems 3) helps you find solutions The rest is details. 😉
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In reply to @freezascom, @ThePracticalDev
MrWesDunn
Nov 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
Reading this
#devdiscuss
makes me realize how effective open discussion can be, solving problems is tough when communication is lacking
MightyPupil
Nov 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
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impostor syndrome has wreaked havoc on job search for over a year. "the market is so hot!" they insist
wesbaker
Nov 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
if you look at code you wrote a year ago with some level of disgust, I think you’re doing just fine.
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In reply to @eliezerbernart
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
This whole thread tho:
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misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
@DevDiscussHQ
what people don't realize about impostor syndrome is that it keeps us from doing things we're interested in
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(1/?)
In reply to @DevDiscussHQ
misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:40 PM EST
And you can't believe in yourself when you feel like those around you don't believe in you (5/5)
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metageeky
Nov 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
Mainly because I no longer could walk in with assumed competency about my skills. I always had to prove it.
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Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:41 PM EST
and yet I get up and do my job every day. I'm great at it, but I'll never ever feel great at it.
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In reply to @ThePracticalDev
leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
Wow; talking about work experiences is hard; harder than talking about my mental health issues. I'm glad I did though.
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littlebirdgirl
Nov 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
When you're the only one on your team that looks like you, it's harder to know you really belong there. DIVERSIFY YOUR DEVS.
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
Awesome thought, YOU be the benchmark for your own progress!
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In reply to @wesbaker, @eliezerbernart
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
Hello @ me in every job ever.
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misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:37 PM EST
Then implicit bias steps in. Oh, you're a girl? You must be organized. You must be a good communicator. Etc. (3/?)
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:42 PM EST
But as long as you're learning new stuff and incorporating the useful, you're improving. 👍
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yechielk
Nov 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
On a lighter note, if you really want to feel like an impostor:
https://t.co/t4aV5lZHMR
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
how do you break this particular cycle?
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eliezerbernart
Nov 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
but sometimes work is much more meta than coding. Knocking your head on the wall to think in some efficient solution
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:43 PM EST
You realize that everyone is second guessing themselves, and code makes all of is question life choices at some point
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
You realize that everyone is second guessing themselves, and code makes all of us question life choices at some point
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wesbaker
Nov 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
Sure, but that’s when it’s best to own up to not knowing everything (because you can’t) and ask others for help
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In reply to @eliezerbernart
Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
the reason I'm any good at all is because
#impostorsyndrome
keeps me learning.
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@ThePracticalDev
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
Imposter syndrome is a huge reason I've never felt comfortable with pair programming. Alone, I'm more comfortable not knowing
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recursivefaults
Nov 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
Safety and the celebration of trying are antidotes to the imposter syndrome.
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8vius
Nov 15 @ 9:45 PM EST
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I'm the lead dev and everytime a new dev comes along I get anxious. I've learned to accept that I'll never be the best though.
metageeky
Nov 15 @ 9:46 PM EST
However, people stopped questioning my interest in usability, accessibility UX, etc.
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sam_spills
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
Great description of the cycle of imposter syndrome here!
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misskallisto
Nov 15 @ 9:33 PM EST
@DevDiscussHQ
what people don't realize about impostor syndrome is that it keeps us from doing things we're interested in
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(1/?)
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thedoh
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
We have a guideline on our ops team: if you're stuck for 15 minutes, ask for help.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
we have a trophy for blowing things up. It passes amongst all of us. We all fail sometimes, and that's ok
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In reply to @recursivefaults
alluneediscode
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
I often feel like I have to be ready to defend ideas I offer other devs. Be absolutely sure before speaking.
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Dmitrix_
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
I'm about to get a CS degree and I still feel like a n00b.
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itsradditude
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
I'm seeing a common thread here that the best way to combat IS is to acknowledge it and bring it out in the open.
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YGalanter
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
Senior dev. Been with the company 10 years. Still think they will figure me out as a phony posing as a pro
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:47 PM EST
Also how do you walk the line between challenging yourself healthily and getting overwhelmed bc you're in way over your head?
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:48 PM EST
I think that a lot of bad interviewing/hiring practices come out of the insecurities of the interviewer, needing to appear smart
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tjbarbour
Nov 15 @ 9:48 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
Relevant:
https://t.co/Ko50IOvTUa
by
@robconery
I haven't read myself, but comes recommended
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#impostorsyndrome
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Dmitrix_
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
Tyson knows what's up.
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neiltyson
Nov 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you're doing it right, but not enough to know you're doing it wrong.
WolvesbaneAcad
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I have frequently questioned my capabilities but have learned to take stock in my accomplishments.
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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ShawnConlin
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
@ThePracticalDev
I have frequently questioned my capabilities but have learned to take stock in my accomplishments.
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
#ImposterSyndrome
focuses on the vast unknown. Strategies to dissect & learn arm us against those insecurities.
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io_exception
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
Yep, letting it discourage you isn't an option, make it your motivation to keep learning.
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Rubberduck203
Nov 15 @ 9:44 PM EST
the reason I'm any good at all is because
#impostorsyndrome
keeps me learning.
#devdiscuss
@ThePracticalDev
In reply to @gumnos, @ThePracticalDev
bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
On that note, if you're interviewing as a coder, get the interviewer talking about themselves! Flatter them, they'll like you.
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CrystationalBio
Nov 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
Just realised I forgot to use the
#DevDiscuss
hashtag, my bad. Thank you for hosting a discussion on this, you're great :)
In reply to @ThePracticalDev
kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:50 PM EST
and being ok with not knowing something - its ultimately just knowing I don't know everything.
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In reply to @itsradditude
littlebirdgirl
Nov 15 @ 9:51 PM EST
When the entire foundation of your industry is "how much do you know?", and then not quantified AT ALL, it is a HUGE problem
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:51 PM EST
I like this advice for getting out of your comfort zone
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edward_ribeiro
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
At work it’s really complicated, but open source and your own side projects really help to get over this. Fail, rinse, repeat.
In reply to @klovae
claudiordgz
Nov 15 @ 9:51 PM EST
All deez badass web devs and I'm stuck on a JSP-JSTL system
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High_Rigour
Nov 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
As soon as I 'get' something and level up It feels like being back in n00b land, because the new level is so much harder
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:52 PM EST
I'm terrible at asking for help. It's why I never learned long division in third grade.
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klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:53 PM EST
There are some really good reverse interview Qs for this. My fave is some variation of "what was your best moment at X company?"
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bendhalpern
Nov 15 @ 9:49 PM EST
On that note, if you're interviewing as a coder, get the interviewer talking about themselves! Flatter them, they'll like you.
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ShawnConlin
Nov 15 @ 9:53 PM EST
A good way to gauge your skill is to get involved with group discussions so long as you remember that jargon != knowledge.
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leesdolphin
Nov 15 @ 9:54 PM EST
Saying that
#impostorsyndrome
motivates is cool It doesn't for me because I feel inadequate in people skills & MH issues
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
I once had a sr dev tell me to stop asking questions and go find the answer. I don't ask for help much anymore
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In reply to @bendhalpern
GoldfishWarning
Nov 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
sometimes i feel like i know nothing so maybe i should learn something but then i get sad and sleep for 400 hours instead
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
Please don't conflate defending ideas w/
#ImposterSyndrome
. Good defense shows you're NOT an imposter. (1/2)
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In reply to @alluneediscode
robstanfield
Nov 15 @ 9:55 PM EST
#DevDiscuss
Time's a factor. Always needed for well thought out solution. Lack of enough of it can make you feel small.
TheLarkInn
Nov 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
totally, and you look know I love it because it's a neverending journey of learning and excitement.
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In reply to @gumnos
High_Rigour
Nov 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
It feels like no matter how much I learn, the end of the knowledge hallway just keeps moving farther away
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
I get being self sufficient, but we need to just get help to learn. Stack Overflow isn't always the best tool
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In reply to @bendhalpern
mtrujillodw
Nov 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
Retweeted Luis Miguel Delgado (
@8vius
):
#DevDiscuss
I'm the lead dev and everytime a new dev comes along I get...
https://t.co/wIdCQnc4jv
In reply to @8vius
michael__porter
Nov 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
My team always knows when I've made a mistake. It's a reflex now, and it's helped me rewrite some of my negative self-talk too
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gumnos
Nov 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
And ideas that can withstand scrutiny make for better results. I ♥ my QA team! (2/2)
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eliezerbernart
Nov 15 @ 9:57 PM EST
I guess that depends on how much people are pressing you for doing something. Bigger the pressure, bigger the struggling
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In reply to @klovae
littlebirdgirl
Nov 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
Addendum: When this ^ is the core, publicly Not Knowing becomes a HUGE problem in our minds because that == job loss.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
me in dev discussions
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In reply to @ShawnConlin
klovae
Nov 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
Oh man I find Stack Overflow to be super dense and hard to sort through as a relative newbie.
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kellyjandrews
Nov 15 @ 9:56 PM EST
I get being self sufficient, but we need to just get help to learn. Stack Overflow isn't always the best tool
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In reply to @bendhalpern
michael__porter
Nov 15 @ 9:58 PM EST
To clarify: it's because I've told them. And then we talk about how it gets/got fixed
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HussainiZul
Nov 15 @ 9:59 PM EST
I always thought that my solution is not the best practice because I don't have someone to refer
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ThePracticalDev
Nov 15 @ 9:03 PM EST
What has been your experience with imposter syndrome throughout your career? Tell us your story.
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sc_vaughn
Nov 15 @ 9:59 PM EST
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@mobbsdev
@DevDiscussHQ
30y, my career path won't fit; I just keep throwing myself at that next rung up!
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