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Hi! Margie from PA
Math Coach
Excited to have @MFAnnie & @maxrayriek here tonight.
Love this painting from Norman Rockwell of The Golden Rule
Hi All I am in OK where I Teach 6-8 math for Ss with disabilities. My favorite piece of art are sea shells. I really love them all! I love all of the art in nature! #ElemMathChat
Tessa Kaplan, K-6 Instructional Coach in Shoreline, WA. I loved going to the Met Museum and staring at the Van Gogh cypress trees when I was in college in NYC! #elemmathchat
Massachusetts. Director of center for math at Lesley University. I’ve honestly never thought about my favorite piece of art. Need to think! #elemmathchat
Hi everyone! Ann Elise, Math Specialist from NH. My favorite art is a pencil drawing of Mickey and Minnie Mouse sitting on the Polynesian beach looking at the Magic Kingdom. #elemmathchat
A1: I notice all of the vivid details inscribed in the roof of the buildings. I also notice how most of the colors used are dark and bold #elemmathchat
A1: Today for the first time I noticed the words at the near end of the bridge. Totally missed that every other time I've look at this closely. #ElemMathChat
A2. I wonder how long this took to paint and if it looks like the actual place. I wonder why I haven’t been to Bordeaux. I wonder how the artist chose the colors for each set of windows. #elemmathchat
I wonder what kind of textures it would have if I were to look at it up close. Would it be all crackly from age? I also wonder "how many"?
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If you go to detail view at https://t.co/1vGO38LKVT you can actually zoom in quite a bit and even see the brushstrokes (that's when I noticed the writing for the first time). #ElemMathChat
Be sure to click on that picture of Q3 to get it as big as possible. (And now you know what @maxrayriek's handwriting looks like, at least some of the time.) #ElemMathChat
Agree about the message! I sometimes get so stuck. I feel like there must be historical significance - I wonder what it is. And I wonder if I should know more history ;) #elemmathchat
Yea, I hadn't noticed you could zoom so far. That's a lot more detail than you can see looking at it real life because you can't get that close (for good reasons, obviously). #ElemMathChat
I generally find that in my class whenever I do notice/wonder. Sometimes we have to dig deeper into our noticings before teeth sinking wonderings happen. #elemmathchat
The first time we stood in front of this at the Barnes, nobody told us the title (that I remember). I was thinking Italy, not that I can say exactly why. #ElemMathChat
A4: I wonder if they have been talking about structures recently. They seem very curious about the buildings, houses, and boats #ElemMathChat#ElemMathChat
#elemmathchat The might notice the number, size, shape and materials of the boats. They might wonder is they're all owned by one or more than 1 person. Great lens change!
A5 Are we modern boat owners or period boat owners? Are we boat owners that rely on boat for income, or are we pleasure boaters? What we #noticewonder might be different #ElemMathChat
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A5 A boat owner might be noticing the different types of boats and if they are safe in the harbor because there are so many of them in such a little space
A5 If I am boating for the purpose of shipping goods, I may be concerned with length of time, and how I will get across in such a confined space. #elemmathchat
A6 historians would notice clothing, architecture, social implications of human interaction, kinds of boats, the materials used in the painting #ElemMathChat
A6: A historian might wonder who created these buildings and why they created them. They'd also look at the types of boats that were created. #elemmathchat
Is the date reasonable given the materials/condition of the painting? What might give us clues that this is in fact a Jean Baptiste Guiraud? #elemmathchat
The time period and what conflicts were going on at that time would influence their notice/wonder. They might notice significant details that I have no idea about. #elemmathchat That's why we all need each other!😂
Oh, wow...not being the child of an art historian (@maxrayriek is), I didn't even think about provenance....I was totally focused on the culture/situation/story represented in the painting. Even though I am the child of artists. Isn't that interesting? #ElemMathChat
I think a historian would notice the different flags on the boats too, and know the significance. I don't know so now that I noticed that I wonder what it is! #noticewonder#ElemMathChat
I have been so interested in all of the different ways that we have interpreted the "lens" through which we are noticing/wondering. #elemmathchat#NoticeWonder
I find myself wondering about our (mis?)perceptions of these people. What DOES a mathematician do? What would she notice? Do I suddenly just start counting things and talking about shapes? #elemmathchat
A7: they might N\W how many.of different items, ratios of people to boats, scale of the buildings or boats, the spatial aspects like how much of the canvas is sky, water, land, etc... #elemmathchat
A7 How many boats could actually fit in that space (and be safe and move around)? How many people could live there? What proportions are accurate? #elemmathchat
Yea, isn't that cool? The advantages of not being wicked specific in your directions (while sort of being really specific, if that makes sense). #ElemMathChat
A7: how many (everything)! Will the boats sink or float in that amount of water? How do those bridges and buildings stand? What are the shapes on the (x,y,z)? Who built these houses with roofs like that? Why is almost everyone walking w a partner? How long to paint? #ElemMathChat
A7 I also think mathematicians would notice numbers, patterns, uniformity, I think they would wonder how many, how much, how can I use this pic to prove/find/ shine a spot on math! Just like @MFAnnie & @maxrayriek did! #ElemMathChat
I noticed the windows on the buildings and connected them with arrays. I also focused some on the rooftops and what you see from the top of the city down. #ElemMathChat
With the kids they got really invested in inventing their own lenses so I ended up saying “someone who is using mathematics” and they thought of architects and engineers and kings and queens and math teachers! #elemmathchat
Q8: I think they may first notice details that relate to recent sjills and concepts covered in their classes. Then they might branch off and try to find the most unique thing possible to say something different than others #elemmathchat
My Ss would for sure want to figure out the difference in the taller boat height compared to arch in bridge to go under, and, I would hope they would hone in on those rhombi on the bridge since we have been doing area of parallelogram/rhombus/triangle #elemmathchat
Now I notice arrays too!
I wonder how you imagined those connections. Were they different groups of arrays? One big array made up of little ones? #elemmathchat#NoticeWonder
These 6th graders focused on how many people could live in the buildings so I bet counting windows would be a way for that to be resolved #elemmathchat
Thanks for elaborating! I like saying it that way! There is something about the "mathematician" label that gets me, though it's funny that the other labels didn't strike the same chord. #elemmathchat
Often when I do #noticewonder with Ss I can pick up on what their teacher has covered lately in math, science, reading, etc bc they relate to those experiences first. #elemmathchat
(Actually, @maxrayriek, I lied! Those were their answers to "pick any role and think about things you would want to figure out". But let's not tell #ElemMathChat, okay?)
A9 Having the different lenses helped me be more focused in my #noticewoner I got more detailed in my thinking, more specific, more precise!!!!!!! #ElemMathChat
A9: I loved the idea of using different lenses to notice wonder! I started thinking about things from all different points of view. Isn’t that what we want our s’s to do?! Consider all the information #ElemMathChat
A9: considering a different lens made me look deeper in more directions. I think tgis idea would really help expand what kids #NoticeWonder#elemmathchat
Well clearly now I have to do it with my class and report back! We can compare to the noticings/wonderings you posted. #elemmathchat A perfect Friday way to start math, if you ask me!
A9: Each lens helped me focus on a different part of the picture or interpretation. I like historian: made me think about the context of how the painting was painted instead of what was in the painting itself. #elemmathchat
You don't know they didn't, they just might not have shared it out loud to everyone! Lots of partner talk. So you can still think they thought of everything. #ElemMathChat
A9 Yes! I am also wondering what would happen if I left up the image for a few days, and kept coming back to it? I wonder if students would add on to thinking, and see more? It would be interesting to see what happens! #elemmathchat
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Would do a twist on this and always have four corner labeled with "historian, scientist, mathematician, and artist" and ask at different points how each one might see something from their perspective
A9: Yes I agree. Using diff lens broadens perspective & allows for more opp to notice detail after detail. Nice work Annie! #elemmathchat Considering bringing Thinking Maps to our school next year and this reminds me of that!!
Q9: I was able to expand my horizons and look past what I saw originally. I noticed more details and I thought the lenses were very useful #elemmathchat
Most of the credit goes to @maxrayriek, since he was leading the class and probably planned most of that lesson being used in our upcoming online course with @the_barnes, (more info on that at the end of #ElemMathChat).
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@LybryaKebreab, @maxrayriek, @the_barnes
A10: I have asked Ss to notice/wonder & I have asked Ss to change lens but never tried both at once. I will from now on though, that's for sure!! #elemmathchat It stretched my brain, can't wait to try it w/my kids!!
I often ask: What changes, and what stays the same?
Our #Elemmathchat is making me think about this question as a kind of #NoticeWonder lens.
Thanks, @MFAnnie for the inspiration!
A10: Never a specific lens, just notice/wonder. I have always 'led' the wonderings into the math area, but I never devalued other noticings/wonderings. Always let that be part of the conversation. Gives context to the math. #elemmathchat
I haven't tried #NoticeWonder with different lens, but I'll definitely try. Allows for more in depth look, keeps conversation going & cross-curricular possibilities! #elemmathchat
I wish every teacher got as excited about these math routines as we do here! I get looked at like a crazy person sometimes when I let my true excitement show with the teachers I work with :) #ElemMathChat
