#resiliencechat Archive
Co-moderated by Dr. Robert Martinez and Sara Truebridge, #resiliencechat focuses on promoting resilience amongst educators and students.
Monday February 22, 2016
10:00 PM EST
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Welcome to ! Let's hope my Tweets go through tonight! ;) Who is out there joining us?
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I'm going to try to exercise *and* participate in . My cat is skeptical. Wish me luck.
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Hi Bill! ...and wishing you the best of luck! ;)
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Hey Ben-Reno NV Dean O' Ss &
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This is Kitty in California. I teach, am active in the community, and host a radio show on education. Happy to be with u
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Hey Ben! Good yo see you!
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Phone is dying, but really wanting to catch at least the beginning of !
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I have to rebuild my resilience almost every day.
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...and always happy to have you with us at , Kitty!
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thanks! glad I could make it
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I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, said the exhausted, yet ! Rob from No. Cal. is here!
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...hope your phone can hang in there!
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...don't we all!! Good to see you, Debbie!
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Arturo from Oxnard, CA joining in
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That makes two of us! Always a treat to be here with you!
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Hi Arturo! Glad you could make it to
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Resiliently waving from Chicago's Northwest side.
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Hello, Dorothy from a moonlit Winter night in Webster here!
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I wasn't able to get out my usual invitations to :( Sorry about that.
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YAY! The Twitter Gods are with me tonight!
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Great to have you here Artturo!
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Always good to have you here, Dorothy!
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Tonight's topic: Class Sizes and Configurations
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Didn't know you were here tonight, Sara. Good to see you, too.
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your tweet is in the feed!!
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Hey Rob! I am tired, too,but less so than previous weeks.
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Tidbit: Class size and configuration continues to be a "hot button" topic in education.
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Q1: What do you teach and how many students are in your class?
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For clarification, what do we mean by configuration?
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I may lurk more than participate. I teach 1:1 so class size is irrelevant to me.
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Actually I thought about you when picking this topic esp. since you are 1:1
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A1 Fifth grade general education. 31 Ss
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A1: one teacher to one student. I teach french language, math, sometimes social studies. Ages 7-17
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A1: Mixed age, 4th-6th grade class, 22 students
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A1 Humanities 7 (double block) - 11 kids. Middle School Rock Band - 6 kids. Upper School Rock Bands - 19 kids.
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A1 When Kid Q was in first grade, it was team taught SpEd & GenEd teachers. Classroom was overcrowded. At least 30 kids.
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Configurations include things such as furniture; tables; desks; rows; circles; couches; nooks; etc.
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awe... That's funny. I ♥️ 1:1.
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This is interesting to see the variety.
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A1 Once when I was bringing Kid Q to her classroom after DDS appt, I felt overwhelmed. Like sardines.
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In our K-3 is headed to 24:1, 4-8 is at 34:1, our secondary contacts are at 170:1 per day-varies by period.
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And we shall teach Rock and Roll to the world. Girl style. :-)
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A1-configurations- We are moving to tables and chairs on wheels to provide flexibility to teachers.
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It would be interesting if some other ppl from other countries checked in also to share their numbers
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Q2: What is your thought on what is the best class size or teacher/student ratio for certain grades?
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At alternative public high school 17:1 in u-shape formation
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Was this the constant setup? Or did the SPED Ts/Ss come & go throughout the day?
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have taught K all way to 6th-17-42 Ss at any time https://t.co/a6PavCXonR
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Q1: What do you teach and how many students are in your class?
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42?!?!?!?! At one time? Did you have another teacher or aide?
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A1 took off for High Holidays. Kid O had complete meltdown. Got that dreaded call from the office, "Mrs. Gleason..."
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Q2: for 2/22/16! https://t.co/zgLj1iEMwT
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Q2: What is your thought on what is the best class size or teacher/student ratio for certain grades?
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A2 I think it varies not just by grade but also by course. For Humanities 7, 10-12 is cool. For Rock Band, multiples of 4-5.
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Nah it was 1/2 day kinder-42 in one session 39 in the other ended up 1/2 through year with new T https://t.co/mQSYjmpmqO
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42?!?!?!?! At one time? Did you have another teacher or aide?
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A2: smaller classes = more time with each student. Can catch molehills before they become mountains.
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Ss are capable of learning in large ratios, but seek so much attention that smaller ratios are more effective.
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This is definitely a good point.
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A2: 1:1 is ideal for teaching concepts but when adding social needs 1:6
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A1 Kid Q had taken off all of her clothes down to underpants. She was sent back to regular SpEd class. Couldn't handle it.
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A1. Mixed age Reggio-inspired preschool, 2.5 yrs to 4 yrs. There are currently 10 lively children in my class.
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I think large groups can work if the teacher/student ratio is reasonable.
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All (except band, choir) should be about 16:1. Makes possible being personal with each S & still have intrsting discussion
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A2 Honestly no more than ten at a time. I'd take my thirty and split them into groups of ten for 1/3 of the day.
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A2 liked 24 in most grades-think it depends on group-have had 20 feel like 50 & 32 be amazing https://t.co/MlRZcGh472
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Q2: What is your thought on what is the best class size or teacher/student ratio for certain grades?
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A1: I teach K-5 sped resource/inclusion. I pull small groups/individuals (1-6 kids) or go into the classroom (~22 kids)
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Scott from Texas along with Rocky and Bullwinkle lurking as I modify a science assessment for later in week.
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No, they didn't come and go throughout the day. Stayed in the classroom for most part.
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I too, am a proponent of mixed age preschool.
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I really think the "personal" piece is so important! Relationships really make a difference
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Depends on the grade level. Ratio rises as grade does
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Good to have you in , Scott! (and Rocky and Bullwinkle!)
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A1 The "normal" kids seemed a lot more self assured.They were used to this class size. Kid Q went from small class to large.
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Humanities 7 has been 9-16 kids; I've found over 12, it's harder to keep solid group unity. Could just be me.
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Definitely, but never more than 20 ideally.
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But I'm not convinced that it should. Teens have LOTS of needs - intellectual & personal
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So glad to have you join us, Naghma! I would love to hear what you have to share abt class size!
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That must have been difficult.
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Welcome! Great to have you here!
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A2: Grades k-6 = number of Ss is twice their ages, grades 7-12 max is 24
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I doubt it is just you, Bill ;)
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A2. Ideally 1:5 but realistically 1:25.
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That's where roles change. Teens need teams that guide them in all areas T-S ratio could still be the same
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A1 I felt so bad for her. Once she was back in smaller SpEd classroom, she did much better. Her SpEd teacher was very good.
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Very difficult. We thought she could handle something she was not ready for. A few years later she could.
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BTW--I'm doing the Happy Dance knowing my Tweets are showing up this week!!!
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Faige retired kinder teacher from Los Angeles Running late
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Q3: Why is it important to consider how a classroom is designed or configured?
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So good to see you, Faige!
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A3: Classroom environment=everything. The impression a student receives as they walk in the room might determine engagement
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Welcome, Thomas! We're talking about class sizes and configurations.
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Tonight's Q3. 2/22/16 https://t.co/GWUovgRd2Z
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Q3: Why is it important to consider how a classroom is designed or configured?
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A3: design is important to learning style. Some of my Ss need comfy, some need firm, some stand, lighting makes a diff.
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A2 I think that classrooms should be large and spacious. Less than thirty kids in a classroom. As much 1:1 as possible.
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A3 need to create "flow" place for whole group/small group/independent-be flexible & change often https://t.co/gjWRtpNbwh
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Q3: Why is it important to consider how a classroom is designed or configured?
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Tis true...No two students are alike.
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Hmmm... Interesting. Well, Thomas Mision, MN College Student for Elem. Edu
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Welcome Thomas, we are discussing class size, and how this impacts education.
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A2 Kid Q spent part of 5th grade in a classroom not much larger than a broom closet. I was shocked.
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A3: to ensure all Ss have access, provide more opportunities, & level the playing field.
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Really glad you found us!
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A3 Classroom design is so important ..what's best for kids to do group work, collaborate,integrate not separate and isolated
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A3: As someone who vol. w/ a fresh teacher (been working w/ her since she started, since 2.5 yrs. long XD... Anyway 1/?
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A3 Design and configuration both communicate core values and enable different kinds of interactions and activities.
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Class size rarely up to us. Configuration and design we all have input
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Access and opportunities. YES!!
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not in my world. Each is unique and how they learn is awesome. I love seeing the light go on for them.
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No. I'm not. Not many kids but still. Very narrow room. Kids. Teacher. Aide.
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A3: 2/? Classroom config./design is indeed impt. esp. in class manage.
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I agree that our values are reflected in this aspect of our education.
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A3 changed up seating weekly-meant all Ss worked with all Ss & kept things interesting-partially due to my own ADHD
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When they sent me to that room, I could hardly believe it. Was thinking, can't you find a real room 4 them?
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Q4--let's get personal...
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A3: The space needs to suit the kids. Sometimes I have to move furniture during the day because my set up isn't working.
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Q4: What types of classroom configurations/furniture do you prefer & why? Tables; desks; rows; circles; couches;nooks; etc?
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A3: 3/? Yes, config. fosters diff. interactions. moving seats after a period of time (hopefully) encourages adaptab
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Being flexible is so important.
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The values are important, and the resources available to represent those values is impt as well. https://t.co/kDpwEcdQqK
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A3 Design and configuration both communicate core values and enable different kinds of interactions and activities.
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A3 I wish were here to answer this question. He'd have a lot to say about how room designed, etc.
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A3 In Humanities 7, opening beanbag circle meant to say "We're all in this together" & "Learning matters. So does comfort."
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2/22/16 Q4 https://t.co/R0p39wbpf4
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Q4: What types of classroom configurations/furniture do you prefer & why? Tables; desks; rows; circles; couches;nooks; etc?
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also found struggling Ss got benefit of working with many others-those who struggled academically & socially
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A3 4/? In addition, config. clasrm should make T more accessible to Ss and of course safety
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I am all about comfort for the students too.
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Each teacher's capacity influences this; as well as the dynamics of the learners. A2
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A4: A mix of all of the above. I want classroom to be inviting. I have floor tables, solo desks, group areas, silent corners
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A4 I have an inner and outer U in my class. It's worked for nine years but am considering a change. Inspired by orchestra.
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Yes, I am acutely aware of that.
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A4 Would like to see these egg chairs for some kids and in general comfier chairs and less desks.
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A4:I have a padded stool with wheels and some of my kids use an exercise ball. Those are fun days. We are always head2head.
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Yes, I like variety and choice in my room too.
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A4: Breaking up the room into sectors helps build a sense of respect for the environment. Reading Nook, Science Corner, etc.
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Has anyone asked whether student helping config. classrooms could be beneficial or not? Or up to T?
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A3 I ask new T's to take time to rearrange the room to fit the activity - especially important 4 seminars to have U shape
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Allison! I am so happy you are here!!!! --An amazing up and coming School Administrator!! https://t.co/Z0pfJtL3Ma
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Each teacher's capacity influences this; as well as the dynamics of the learners. A2
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Exercise ball...Good for the "core." Get it?? That was an attempt at an education joke.
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A4: Bean bags a must for reading. lol
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Experimenting with arrangements and having student involvement is essential
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I'm a furniture mover! Different configurations for different projects. Or just to alleviate monotony.
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A3 Besides beanbags, my Humanities 7 classroom has two tables, plus nearby reading room, office, lobby area.
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You read my mind for Q5!!
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A4: I have small group tables and yoga balls. Sometimes they work on the floor too. I would LOVE couches!
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A4 Open space 4block building I taught Ks. Shelves w/easy access 4kids Big library area Quiet places Pillows/couches tables
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Q5: Is it impt. to have students be involved in deciding how to configure and use classroom or school space? Why/why not?
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A4: I encourage Ts to use everything. Better if it can be moved easily. Variety gives Ss choices.
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A3 Safety, academic, & social configuration considerations impact student responsiveness.
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A4 tables-able to move around easier & mix Ss https://t.co/aIBxkKzE5B
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Q4: What types of classroom configurations/furniture do you prefer & why? Tables; desks; rows; circles; couches;nooks; etc?
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A4 Throw rugs. Places to sit on the floor. Maybe some whiteboards on walls so kids could draw.
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A5: I want my class to feel alive and things are consistently changing depending on student needs, creates buy in
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Sounds like you have some great flexibility. https://t.co/43xZxanQrr
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A3 Besides beanbags, my Humanities 7 classroom has two tables, plus nearby reading room, office, lobby area.
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A5: for sure! Ownership over their space!
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A5 Yes. Because it's their space for learning. Should feel like home not institution.
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Prof Susan in IL joining for the 2nd half. Will scroll thru to catch up.
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A5 Yes-when they take ownership they become more involved-creates stronger class culture https://t.co/cDSnNXoPBG
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Q5: Is it impt. to have students be involved in deciding how to configure and use classroom or school space? Why/why not?
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A4: Generally an open space in floor is always good, as well as pillows to lay on. The T I vol. evn has small tent, vry pop
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Q5 for 2/22/16 https://t.co/I1Jdhce1CK
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Q5: Is it impt. to have students be involved in deciding how to configure and use classroom or school space? Why/why not?
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A5 Students offer valuable input on their experience, often see what I don't. I evolve based on their feedback/suggestions.
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A5: I ask for feedback on our seating arrangement. I want them to feel comfortable in our learning space!
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A5: Can't change too often, could damage normalization. Need to show with arrangements and have students reflect
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Good evening ! Joining in for the second half :)
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A5 School should be welcoming for all kids. All community. Should be beautiful inside as well as out.
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Super to have you here! - if only for 1/2!
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A 5. Definitely. it is their space we are talking about.
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you're the best! good fun on a Monday night.
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A5 student input shows its their place/room. They become part of decision making process. Empowers/motivates 4learning
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A4 Would be nice to have gardens inside and out. We all need nature.
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Ive actually nvr personally met a T who let Ss config. classrooms
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I love having the students sit on the floor too. I've done that with HS too!
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Good to see you in , Susan!
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Sounds like a great environment! https://t.co/JzROQOZvRv
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A5: I want my class to feel alive and things are consistently changing depending on student needs, creates buy in
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A5: Teacher can also have students participate in naming areas in class to build buy in, no design but definite involvement
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Room design can make or break a classroom for Ss meeting their needs in unconventional ways may be necessary
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So, I cant say for sure. I would think that Ss must also understand safety reasons, could do for grt brainstorming
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Comfort and ownership--two impt. features of a classroom.
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Yeah, why not? We don't give older kids way to still really enjoy school. Suddenly we're all adults. Why?
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I love sitting on the floor with kids...just getting harder to get back up 😉
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Always good to have you here in , Paola!
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Love the of students! ! https://t.co/bpeNFvPTBe
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A5: Teacher can also have students participate in naming areas in class to build buy in, no design but definite involvement
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brainstorming and planning/forethought, can help as a mental exercise too, when Ss help design classroom
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Student input can certainly secure buy-in and build a trusting teacher/student rapport. Q5
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Agreed! I always have fresh flowers in my classroom too--ALWAYS! It adds civility and beauty
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Yeah 4 me, too, but then again I sit on the ground when I garden. Sometimes I'm asked if I'm OK.
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A5.Learning enviros should be arranged so they maximize learning & engagement for each Ss/course, & safety like labs.
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A4 Just wrote a blog about room config:
https://t.co/QFu7pfuWpY
Have redesigned my univ classrooms for more Ss interaction
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Rock Band.... Drums in corner, next to bass, next to pianos. Vocalists facing bass; guitarist near vocalists facing drummer.
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I like that--the naming part!
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Yep, nvr. XD Its a safety issue, i think.
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A5: Allow students the opportunity to claim some ownership of their own classroom.
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I'm still managing that at 56 - hope to be able to for a while yet. :-)
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I feel kids need to learn how to garden. How to see life emerging from the earth. Feel connected.
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Here is Rob being a downer--Must consider that many children are negatively responsive to allergens https://t.co/xkXlLl8X7D
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Agreed! I always have fresh flowers in my classroom too--ALWAYS! It adds civility and beauty
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...and there is an opportunity to use math and integrate other subjects as well.
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I'm 58 but look older because a lot of my hair is white especially in front.
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Also, most Ts inherit desks from the previous millennium which limits your options.
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Speaking of student involvement... Q6...
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Q6: How do you involve your students in deciding how to create/utilize/change classroom or school space?
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A5b. So yes personalized learning involves Ss input in classroom arrangement when possible (some desks can't b moved/safety)
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A2: I believe it depends on the grade level and teacher, but the smaller the better since teachers can be more personal!
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Yeah! Math definitely.& in 6th grd,our T grouped desks into Greek citystates durng Greece chapter for SocSt
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YES! I am all about students in the garden--big time!!!!
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our Superintendent has made it a priority to upgrade all furniture in all classes. https://t.co/GkibEfvyKn
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Also, most Ts inherit desks from the previous millennium which limits your options.
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Sometimes I will be sitting on the ground planting or weeding, and someone will drive by & ask if I'm OK.
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A6 self assigned seating can be scary but can be a great strategy
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A4 Now using conf/wkshp design w small interactive groups instead of large single circle.
https://t.co/YfIjuH3BA9
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Q4: What types of classroom configurations/furniture do you prefer & why? Tables; desks; rows; circles; couches;nooks; etc?
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Q6 for 2/22/16 https://t.co/ynM8ynwgDS
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Q6: How do you involve your students in deciding how to create/utilize/change classroom or school space?
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This is sooooo true. (I am LOL because that was my story!)
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You at donors choose or something? I would donate. Great opportunity.
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Hadnt considered old equipment, those desks seem immortal XD
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A6: we don't change much, but we do use mechanical pencils which are always a treat for the little ones. LOL
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Traditional school buildings are so sterile. We are raising children. Not robots.
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A6: Classroom suggestion box. Class meetings. Written proposals. Challenge students to sell you their idea, think about why
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nop. Just ups need for creativity! Make it work!
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A6 Humanities 7 kids can configure as they wish for small group work, and for "choice time" (about 30-60" of our 1'45").
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A6 use Ss advisory to ask opinions about how to better school-includes better use of school facility https://t.co/v812ZqTfN0
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Q6: How do you involve your students in deciding how to create/utilize/change classroom or school space?
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We see classrooms/furniture/school design/etc. as an issue. Each of our students deserves a great learning environ
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A6 Had students brainstorm design of effective mtg spaces where they have worked. ALL said no rows.
https://t.co/DiJEcCtLEx
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Q6: How do you involve your students in deciding how to create/utilize/change classroom or school space?
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So important to teach kids how to connect with nature. We need that spiritual connection. Sense of wonder.
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A6: Ss decide where to go for math/reading/grp work but always remind to make sure they remain focused
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A6 Students can draft reconfig ideas then realize those ideas! Classroom-locus of control.
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This is such a good point! The equity lens is impt to this discussion.
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A6 For Rock Band, as long as they can hear and see each other, they're good. Unless I'm missing something!
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are important for safety but can really inhibit creativity in classrooms sometimes makes no sense
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A6.Ss working on designing investigations or PBL could work in room w equip/ or outside 4 testing/research if safety allowed
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Yes, yes, yes. You are on the same soapbox that I am on!
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Yes, yes, yes. You are on the same soapbox that I am on!
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We try (T&I) to give Ss more responsibility, but we have a difficult group of 4thgraders
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A6: Can have Ss map the classroom, find the area, and design their ideal classroom, use for ideas on rearranging environment
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A huge problem, really a national scandal.
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A6. Curious what options other than traditional desks/chairs in most public schools after maybe lower elementary
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Whenever spring approaches, I remove leaves from the garden plots. I see plants sprouting, it's wonder all over again.
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Students will benefit from a wide range of designs. If they go to college, they might sit in large lecture halls.
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A6: Still, in general, allow Ss to choose how to utilize space works,esp. w/ beanbags & camp chairs & scoop rockers
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A6 Indiv univ desks 20th C.
No room for laptops plus other materials.
Some may need 2 desks to work
https://t.co/XFxM0bLO5O
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Also, most Ts inherit desks from the previous millennium which limits your options.
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I'd be interested to hear how the room configuration specifically impacts those 4th graders?
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Absolutely! We've had to move some small mountains our of teacher's classrooms so kids could move about and breathe.
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my catholic kids nurtured better than non-religion kids because appreciation for differences between people.
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A6: Scary and completely inappropriate for kids with certain special needs (i.e. social). Behavior trigger
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Sounds like it. We all need to witness that miracle. Each spring it excites me. Never gets old.
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So true and how often does this happen https://t.co/Wh1wt4gs7I
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We see classrooms/furniture/school design/etc. as an issue. Each of our students deserves a great learning environ
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"Variety is the spice of life."
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Funny, too, how schools with students of colour are often the underresourced ones.
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I taught n a trailer w/ bad furniture. Dumpster diving, hallway reject stalking.Feng shui!
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its really interesting rite now, 3 pod config. 5 desks each. leaves front/sides/back open for work
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A6.It's great for Ss 2see how diff. designs are more/less effective depending on the course/setting - gives authentic exper
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I always have rocking chairs too. It is great to have Ss sit in them to calm themselves down or reflect if needed.
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Delighted your school excels at that. Feel the need to stick up for mine as well.
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Interesting.I think we all need spiritual connection, religious or not.Altho I'm an atheist, I seek that.
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Thats admirable, I admire your own resilience! XD
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NICE!! Yes, configurations can pertain to outside as well as inside.
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As a T I like to keep materials which can create clutter - As Elsa would say 😊 https://t.co/wntpiX2hmp
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Absolutely! We've had to move some small mountains our of teacher's classrooms so kids could move about and breathe.
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oh yeah, majority are in floor or on other surfaces like shelves lining room, rarely in pods = jst realized XD
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I don't think it's a result of the dogma, just the teaching of "be good to all" theory.
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we are ordering 2 classroom sets of active furniture for next year. Excited to see how it impacts kids
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Q7: What will you do tomorrow as a result of tonight?
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We have found that clutter exists for so many children, that they deserve a great place to learn! https://t.co/7CCWsdyGut
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As a T I like to keep materials which can create clutter - As Elsa would say 😊 https://t.co/wntpiX2hmp
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Absolutely! We've had to move some small mountains our of teacher's classrooms so kids could move about and breathe.
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Thank you and for the inspiration. Have a great week :)!
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That is very important. Just like Rabbi Hillel and Jesus taught. Compassion is important.
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17 years of kids. Ones that have a faith base at home appear more stable than those without "core values".
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My students are loving the mix of wiggle cushions and yoga balls...helps them focus
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A7 I will cherish my classroom and my kids, and keep up the daily work for social justice.
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It will make a great difference! https://t.co/TgbRb8246e
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we are ordering 2 classroom sets of active furniture for next year. Excited to see how it impacts kids
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Absolutely! It's just in my area, that is the appearance. Not saying it is fact.
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Field trip to the park. Or teach planting indoors. Science. Let them observe plants growing.
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Going to check what I missed coming in late. Lucky the kid who sits in a classroom w/choice & voice acknowledged
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I always get inspired at Thank you all for dropping in!
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A7: Ask the custodian to remove 2 huge unused desks to make room for flexible seating...starting tomorrow
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kids I teach in non religious schools learn to be good, kind and compassionate human beings
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A6unfortunately we have a class with 36 6th gr students. Tchr had a marvelous idea of using kidney shaped tables-Ss LOVE it
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Thank youfor raising this important & underappreciated area. Room design, structure, environment impact learning inbig ways
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A7: Ask abt a chance to help design/config. classroom
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I think it generally depends on the individual. We can have religious upbringings but...
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Yes, I teach in a non-religious school and compassion and kindness prevails.
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Thanks for your leadership! So happy you're on the timeline tonight! :-)
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Q7: Continue connecting with amazing educators and build up my skills. Also check in with my students about class design
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Absolutely! But someone is teaching them values. That's the point. Not religion.
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Okay, extra work for planned for 2/23 check! https://t.co/ExZvBO5A7l
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A7 Avoid the boss, for sure ;) Great chat, thanks for letting me impose!
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true, doesn't work for all but it can work for some
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Thanks to and all on tonight. My portable home!
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never saw it as resilience before. 👍🏻 thx
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I couldn't agree more!!! It's so important and yet so overlooked.
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I was taught about ethics by my father. As role model.
