#TLAP Archive
#TLAP is a weekly chat for educators who embrace author, keynote speaker, and moderator David Burgess' approach of teaching like a pirate. Burgess is author of Teach Like A PIRATE: Increase Student Engagement, Boost Your Creativity, and Transform Your Life as an Educator and co-author of P is for PIRATE: Inspirational ABC’s for Educators.
Monday May 9, 2016
It's time to ! Thanks to and for steering the ship tonight with a great topic
It is NOT a great topic! Oh, wait, are we arguing?
Ryan from IL, tech coordinator and now has only 3 semesters left before PhD.
Arrrr I'm Stefanie from Peoria, IL & I teach 2nd grade
Excited for this topic tonight. https://t.co/VjhqFahCXF
It's time to ! Thanks to and for steering the ship tonight with a great topic
Hey everyone! Molly, 5th grade teacher from NY
Christine from Ontario, Canada, gr. 7 Language/Hist/Geo
Just finished with now time for Ladonna from South Dakota - Middle School ELA, SS!
Josh from Fulton, MO. 7th grade ELA teacher and all around swell dude.
South Dakota- a unique Mystery Skype location!
Hello friends. Jay from NJ arguing with myself whether I belong in this chat or not. Oh well, I'm in
Double duty!! Good for you!
Hello ! Karly, TOSA from SF Bay Area here to say hello and give a shout out to the incredible ! https://t.co/X9pYe1LXUb
Great to be here. Been gone a while from
Teach public speaking and a literacy coach in CO.
Hey Gang! Matt from Atl, Ga. I'm always arguing with myself then persuading myself that I am right :)
I just retweeted them a few minutes ago. Either check the hashtag or my feed. Thx.
Hello ! Amy in OK checking in while I edit a video for a surprise
Happy Monday Great to see everyone here tonight
Hello, sir! When are you coming back to NY? I could use another DB experience already. :)
Split personalities! Two teachers for the price of one!
Wow...that's quite a lineup of subjects. I'll bet argument and persuasion skills are needed for all.
If only I got paid for my split personality, double the salary! LOL
Sarah from ND. PD specialist for an REA in SW ND.
Argument and persuasion are EVERYWHERE. But few are good at them...
I almost decided to by the Aye Mattee Pirate Minion tonight for finishing the semester, but then i saw the water bill was due.
Perfect topic for you, Judi!!
Hello ! Todd, elem principal in CA...checking in and ready to go...let's argue and persuade!
And there's the problem. "Teach this!" but no one trained us how...
Hi friends, Quinn Rollins, Salt Lake City. History teacher/curriculum specialist/author/rubber duck carrier.
Jumping in late to . I'm Ku, Learning Coach, Argentina.
For the record, encouraged to teach public speaking after meeting at .
ur moderating ?! Why didn't u say..
That's one of my schticks
A1. EVERYONE has heard the word argument before so we don't need to teach it, right? Who needs materials?
A1: Our admin is adamant about our Ss learning these skills, esp with writing & oral argument. I use cont. political issues to do so
Ha! Hopefully soon! Would love to see you again. Have 2 events like one you went to next 2 days.
Mike from Maryland - ES Librarian.
A1: we have a set of questions on each of our subjects that gardens some great arguments.
I just want to give a S/O to for being awesome & moderating !! Way to represent the MN!!💝
Love the western US presence in tonight's chat!
Modesty might be the best attribute I have. Truly a humble man in the service of learning.
Thanks for coming to , Sarah!
Christine. Elementary gifted specialist. Charlottesville, VA.
Did they give you training?
Jealous of all attendees!
has so many ideas going on in my head. Next year my teachers will really hate me. https://t.co/NhbeW4wduU
Hi friends, Quinn Rollins, Salt Lake City. History teacher/curriculum specialist/author/rubber duck carrier.
No real "training" ...Kinda learned as I went
Currently watching the world's longest little league game... In the dark. Trying to get home for
Yep, there's the problem...
Feel more self-taught in this area. Delved into creating debate unit a long time ago and continued learning. https://t.co/Tcqm7uhboq
I know. Made me take my to the next level.
A1 a lot of cross-curricular work among the core subjects; rubrics and common language when it comes to teaching argument/reasoning
Always great to see you, Ku!!
A1. I don't consider an activity at the end of a reading assignment where we ask kids to write an argument to be TEACHING argument.
hate YOU? Unpossible!
Probably!
I'd love to see the common language! Any lessons to go along with that?
I think many of us are self-taught in this area. My self-teaching has all been from books.
A1: A book that we use is called Hot Topics...it allows you to see the pros and cons of different topics...procon.org is great too!
A1: We teach argument writing with Lucy Calkins. Also have learned about debate and argument from when he taught at RCA
Hey, I KNOW that guy. And Sandy is prominently featured in the books.
A1 We try to teach thematically and get students engaged about topics they care about. Then instruct them to argue. about them.
Love to see you in Ku! Hope you get a lot out of tonight's topic.
It's an honor, Dave! I have to show support for of course! . Woohoo!
A1: we use math problem solving models at elem level to develop reasoning and comm. Makes a diff in Ela https://t.co/gZyPQEAiue
Oh yeah! Gosh I forgot all about that book...I've read it!
I can find some, sure. Most are crosscurricular ELA/Social Studies, sometimes science plays nice.
We've gone with Calkins this year as well. Interested to hear others opinions on it...
I'll share to after the target audience gets a peek
Great for topics and modeling! But I think kids need a basic understanding
WOW Love this rubric and the visuals of the pieces to represent novice vs. expert
A1: I'm using William & Mary ELA units, as a starting point, but we're given a lot of latitude.
I love https://t.co/U30hx3jWjQ -- the Choices Program is another great one for examining current events. https://t.co/ldUeMAE4BY
A1: A book that we use is called Hot Topics...it allows you to see the pros and cons of different topics...procon.org is great too!
Me too. Love how it takes Practitioner as full and Expert as beyond.
A1: Coolest thing in Elementary is Books - "Who would win" books. Kids research and then argue their own scenarios
Think it would depend which teachers you ask w/in school! I modify it to make it more engaging. Have seen good results
Great resource to get kids thinking argumentatively.
Absolutely...a challenge is helping Ss see that they need to know the views of the other side when arguing! https://t.co/kZh0vOqTCd
Great for topics and modeling! But I think kids need a basic understanding
Is argument an afterthought in that? Are there specific lessons about what arguments are before being asked to write?
Br Christopher from Kansas checking in late!
We are good with topics, not so good teaching how to argue those topics well, I think...
Do they have any of books? They'd really help get them up to speed with practical tips on HOW to teach them.
A1 T argument and persuasion with mentor texts in early grades...The True Story of The Three Little Pigs...
Calkins has scripted lessons about developing arguments. The best part is probably the argument checklists.
They do a flash draft which is done towards beginning with little support but then explicit lessons taught based on needs
A2 I usually teach argument in 3 stages: Stage 1 they're using a pop culture topic, to learn the mechanics of argument writing
A2: Socratic seminars, fishbowls, Touchstone/Touchpebbles, letting Ss argue about things that matter to them.
Checklists are my favorite piece too! How funny. I look at those and go from there w/lessons
A2: My HS daughter is on the debate team. I love the format they use. Learning at it's finest
A2 ...but they're doing it w a pop culture topic - music, movies, superheroes they already know, less "cognitive load."
A2: I like to use I will take covers from a different decade and show the reference to today's issues. Its always generates.
Kids love to argue! But spouting opinions at each other is what many think that means.
A2: Taught Ss how to write a thesis statement, write essay using Calvin & Hobbes.
A2 I jump in with current events. The Apple unlocking controversy was a goldmine for engaging argumentation with my Ss. Pick a side!
Sounds like we have the same idea. Good starting point.
A2 Stage 2 is doing it with a current event that they choose themselves. Same argument 'mechanics,' more meat.
Seeing lots and lots of topics. But how to teach them to argue those topics well?
How do they format it? (good luck in 140 characters or less lol)
A2: Had a teacher use play, novel, & movie for A Christmas Carol...Ss had to debate which was best, but we chose their side for them!
My HS daughter on the debate team must research both sides and then flip a coin. You get a side. Argue
A2- Teacher made debate unit. Editorials. Flocabulary. Heck any current events...especially this year. https://t.co/q73x7KuSl1
A3 and then Stage 3 is argument writing using my "real" curriculum mandated by the state or whoeverthehell. Same process, real topic.
A2: Scholastic News Debate of the Week, Lucy Calkins, OREO graphic organizer, Editorials..
great idea, bet the kids love it.
Hi everyone, sorry to miss out on this week, will catch up later, see some great info!
The world has topics, kids love to debate, but do they build great arguments and support them well? Not so much.
When I taught 5/6, I told Ss I was going to teach them how to argue more effectively w/their parents. Ss were engaged. :)
Oh it has been a lot of fun. Should have seen my Powerman Iron Fist part with the 70s.
Topic known before. Research both sides. You get there and flip a coin. Argue, rebut, counter, rebut. https://t.co/PJl1H1FxEC
How do they format it? (good luck in 140 characters or less lol)
I use all of those and love them. Socratic (Platonic) seminars are great for developing argument/persuasion & reasoning.
I like seeing concrete pieces & exploring interesting ways how to teach...still incorporate elements of LC
That's cool. I like forcing Ss outside of their comfort zone in making an argument. Really engages the skills we teach.
A2: Fostering Argument in math is key. It leads to the productive struggle of learning. Ask Questions that aren't easy to answer!
a2 (sort of) launching formal debates Tuesday over alt. energy with 8th gr. Super nervous, this is all new territory. Ss love it
A2: Thinking routines like tug of war or activities like the human continuum make argument visible to Ss https://t.co/G6iwf10Oje
A2 I use the "Oreo" method to teach persuasive writing organization and it works every time! https://t.co/2bb92w1Big
Accountable Talk works every time!
cool idea. I feel I've had that debate once or twice.
That is a great structure!
Had 2nd graders doing it using "Who would Win" books as guide. Pretty cool https://t.co/LIPpDWXbU1
That's cool. I like forcing Ss outside of their comfort zone in making an argument. Really engages the skills we teach.
You read my mind! I was just thinking how the thinking dispositions of make sense here.
I've seen that work really well too. "write a letter to your parents explaining why you deserve a new iPod"
A2: Harvard Project Zero Thinking Routines are EXCELLENT for teaching argument and THINKING! https://t.co/xXMXZlNu6x
A2: Thinking routines like tug of war or activities like the human continuum make argument visible to Ss https://t.co/G6iwf10Oje
so many good sources! ing away!
I love that way because they need to focus on the merits and pitfalls of the issue and not just their opinion.
my district's ELA curriculum team is starting a book club for one of his books!
No one has yet defined what an argument IS! How do we teach kids the basic structure of an argument?
A2: Ss don't know what it means to argue effectively until they're shown.
Teaching teenagers to argue or debate correctly is one of my favorite parts of teaching public speaking.
A3: Why is something both right and wrong? Take a look at Captain America: Civil War as an example.
How do you teach Merits and Pitfalls?
Ss discussions are really "taking turns spouting conclusions." We don't ask often enough "What statements led to that conclusion?"
Oh man, I love his books! Alphabet books are also my favorite genre.
Agreed. Plus the listening skills. You have to follow what they say to make sure it's factual https://t.co/IZWwDkIuz3
I love that way because they need to focus on the merits and pitfalls of the issue and not just their opinion.
A3: "Listening for learning" is key. Take other's perspective, internalize it, broaden your own, learn together. Totally key.
I like the idea of having students have to defend a viewpoint different than their own
A2: Pop Up Debate by simple and awesome!
That's what I told my Ss when teaching them syllogisms (basic argument form) from Erik's book Well Spoken.
A2 Picture books with a similar story, but from different perspectives offer a fun way to make an argument for or against a character.
Yes. He visited our school and was great with the kids. https://t.co/JuvxeZNFuH
Oh man, I love his books! Alphabet books are also my favorite genre.
Exactly!! How do you show them? Where are those lessons (not "where are good topics")?
A3: Addressing the other side. Drives me crazy when arguments become list of random thoughts and none of ideas are connected.
A3
claim, reasoning.
Counter claim, rsning.
Response
Resolution or repeat ?
This is a great way to put it.
Wow so many great ideas tonight. I have to pop our early but will check back later! Thanks &
Absolutely amazing! I would love to have him visit some day.
A3: articles are written according to reading level. Evidence found easier when at kids' lexile
Mostly because no one taught them the structure of good arguments, I suspect.
A2b Daily math talks...learn to communicate problem diving from the start!
Of course! They are PHENOMENAL at it when it is taught explicitly.
A3 Ss need a point of view to create a good argument. Opinions+arguments must be supported by facts+details
A3: keeps your friends close and your enemies closer: Rock that COUNTER CLAIM!
A3: Strong claim w/ supporting evidence; nod to counterclaim, attacking weaknesses; call to action supporting your claim
I ran a silly classroom, so I wrote pretty silly "argument" papers then sat by and pretended to be impressed by myself.
A better way to ask students to analyze an argument in the picture. We ask questions that assume too much. https://t.co/fi940lm9vH
That makes me so happy!!! Students will benefit.
A2: I post "stands you can take" in various locales and tell Ss to choose a "stand." Then they debate why their stand is better.
Ss could clearly see I was full of (something) and then helped me write a stronger argument. I poked & prodded w/Qs.
I second that! Such a great idea. Have used with students and they really get it.
How do you teach "stronger argument"? We say, "I want a strong argument" but don't teach how to build one.
I could tell Ss what made up a good argument, but I preferred pushing them into figuring it out for themselves.
A3: philosophical chairs - AVID strategy easy way to get kids talking and changing viewpoints
Teach SEXY persuasive paragraph gets their attention from the start.
A3 for my firsties...we start simple...facts to support the argument.
Especially in middle school -- you can't have one T calling it a Thesis and someone else calling it a Doohickey.
(for the record I was the one calling it a doohickey)
Or when they provide evidence for their argument that does not support (or even match) the claim. Random facts.
I have an idea of what a pop up debate might be, but just in case, what is it?
Ouch. That won't happen. I don't fail to teach what makes a good sentence hoping they figure it out. They need help.
A3 reliable resources on which to base their arguments
A3 Best part of argument is refuting/conceding. Have to understand opposition to understand yourself.
My Ss do multigenre research on a decade.looking 4 sites w data they could analyze as 1 of their pieces,Ideas?
A3 I think finding some core connection & rationale helps in making a case in an argument
The key to all teaching is to make the complex simple. Argument: statements that lead to a conclusion. Period.
A3 I like ss 2 use appropriate higher order vocab from sources such as Webbs DOK. Once of my favs is "Development a logical argument"
I can't effectively refute an argument unless I can analyze it first. How do you teach building a good argument?
A4
For starters we could actually collaborate... im at a small school, why is this hard?
Definitely! Vocabulary can be intimidating from the other side (if used correctly).
I asked the feeder high school which terms they used and went from there. Common language is important. https://t.co/qwPkLpU2wM
They were given a lot of help, but most of that help came in the form of questions rather than simply telling them.
A3: make it relevant: today we debated why kids spend evening on party bus and skip prom
A4 Through vertical teaming, planning, and alignment
Backwards design-like. Great!
When you have time (HA! Teachers with spare time?!?) you can read the note I put on Padlet about confusing language.
A4 All subjects need ss to write effectively. Need to collaborate with all Ts on common terms that students use across curriculum.
A4: I'm trying so hard with my school to use common verbiage with "power paragraphs" kids need repetition and consistency.
I also have pro, v con, and "on the fence". Ss can move to other areas when they react to other Ss arguments.
It's not hard with connected educators in this chat. We get it. For others...very difficult it seems.
A2: Students can analyze primary sources for POV & arguments. Also songs! Old & new for Social Studies topics
. So hard to get a common language with writing. I use slasher terms. Ex fact/concrete detail/evidence
Absolutely. Speaking and writing are equally important modern communication skills.
Yes! I'm publishing this summer with "Instant Relevance:Using today's experiences in tomorrow's lessons"
Hello all sorry i'm late just got home my name is juneau and I'm a master's student in Thunder Bay
A4: Common language is difficult at our elem. bc we have 4 different schools with many cultures and prior experiences Need 2 b better
A4 so you're saying is should pick a term and use it consistently? Oi. New goal for myself before I complain about others!
Congrats! Another to add to my collection!
A4 vertical articulation of academic language can be shared+grade level appropriate complexity+depth can be added by each grade level
A4 Face to face or even virtual vertical planning...collaborate!
Great way to arrive at that common language...
Oh man, this is great! Thanks for sharing!
A4: 10th grade ELA/SS created PLC to ensure same language used when teaching writing. Ss & Ts noticed immediate improvement.
A4b: even though writing style varies in content areas, terms can be the same.
true statement! Wish I could get at least one colleague to jump on board. it's fun!
Sounds fabulous!!! https://t.co/f8ziGM0Vmu
Yes! I'm publishing this summer with "Instant Relevance:Using today's experiences in tomorrow's lessons"
A4 Must have cross-curricular school writing team. Every subject needs a voice. Create a united plan with transference.
Well, sharing is what us pirates do.
I have to depart the ship early tonight. I'll see everyone tomorrow.
A4 Common language should start with standards broken into learning targets. Should be time for vertical alignment every year
claim, reason, facts, details, warrant, quote, argument...shifting language hurts.
A4: Create a common set of terms among teachers, & a classroom visual for explanation. Use up to date ideas in the field.
A4: Just looking at this I would say that communication between teachers is key, in order to use consistent language
Telling Ss to "Give me three good reasons why..." means nothing if you haven't specifically taught them how to identify good reasons.
...and every T needs to realize that they are *also* a writing teacher. It's not just ELA https://t.co/ez5jHZsOkA
A4 Must have cross-curricular school writing team. Every subject needs a voice. Create a united plan with transference.
Human continuum allows Ss to move as arguers convince them with evidence; Ss SEE what moves opinions https://t.co/ftRtatql5O
history seems to be best group
How do you teach types of evidence?
Fun...and a little extra time and effort. But, so worth it!
Yes! ELA skills are relevant in all domains. Ts must understand this. https://t.co/cRejlbicQe
...and every T needs to realize that they are *also* a writing teacher. It's not just ELA https://t.co/ez5jHZsOkA
A4 Must have cross-curricular school writing team. Every subject needs a voice. Create a united plan with transference.
Thanks! I'm really excited about it.
Better: NOT "give me 3 reasons" but "What statements led to that conclusion? Do they add up? Is each statement true?"
...sci/hist/math/art Ts can all teach how writing in their field is different from ELA, but should still be writing
Why am I now just learning about and a fellow CO native. I have some reading to do!
Difficult. Not impossible. Map the different languages to the common one. Ss will get it. Don't water down.
Involve your librarian. We can connect with everyone. Teach anything. Research it all.
Thanks and agreed. We need to collaborate so all Ss get the same academic language https://t.co/7RzcuYVIyW
Difficult. Not impossible. Map the different languages to the common one. Ss will get it. Don't water down.
A5: Again, using math lessons as a tool. Give conclusions first, have Ss take multiple paths to them.
I agree. Common language so students know what they're learning and what's expected to meet standards.
Just wanted to pop in and say hi to all my friends, life is crazy right. 14 more days. Not letting this class break me. Pirate on.
Does any one have any specific lesson about what evidence is? Hint: "Add fact & details" ain't it.
Late to the party! 7th grade Writing teacher from Collierville, TN. Loving the ideas here!
use ads to teach Ss persuasive techniques, practice w/ apples to apples type game with scenarios Ss persuade judge
I even get P.E. folks involved. Writing is for all
Can diff types of context clues be transferred to evid? Haven't thought this out. Contrast, example, appositive, definitions (loosely)
They've got a lot of science-related topics in the mix too--lets students grapple with the "so what?" of science issues.
And SPEAKING...let's not forget the #1 language art.
Good question. Use the visual of a funnel. This one is hard to explain and I'm not on comp to access. https://t.co/jWrhNu3bD8
P.E., music, tech classes -- all of everyone. Just didn't have room to list them all. :)
until the ! Hang in there and pirate on,
This makes Q6 even more important. Teaching types of evidence & how to choose best one is critical. https://t.co/nd7U0jaUwh
Telling Ss to "Give me three good reasons why..." means nothing if you haven't specifically taught them how to identify good reasons.
Too many silos, tasks. Not enough time. People aren't available due to everything they need to do?
librarian a piece of every puzzle
I sneaked in, and now I must tip out. This is a good chat. Keep it going! 😃😁😃
A5: Good Argument is like Give a start and a finish, then many ways to get there, often rerouting halfway. Learn as you go
A5 We keep it simple in first...graphic organizers...still practicing restating the topic sentence in conclusion.
Popping in trying to keep up with the feed.
but some way is usually better than another. How do you teach them which way is best?
I love that comparison! Very true
Our students believe that "evidence = the page in the book where you got it." Wrong. "Source" and "Evidence" are NOT synonyms.
Have I never talked about him w/you? I presented his work last June at This June-it's this book.
By Sharing and comparing routes with an open mind. Reflect on the process to refine to the best.
A6 Humans make inferences subconsciously. It is very important to teach Ss how to check them for validity. https://t.co/tmjPB7NdjI
Just have to make sure you have the relationship w Ss before you say it as sarcastically as I usually do.
that is a part of it. There is time, but need to reallocate. Ts collaborating should out ranks mtgs that could be email
Too often we ask Ss to "find a quote." Better: "What is your evidence for that? Where did you find that evidence?"
Agreed! How do you teach them "validity"?
absolutely! Any time a S is defending and idea, making thinking visible, S = arguing!
There's always time for the important things. But we need a visionary to reallocate it. Trust us as professionals.
Not yet! When is your session? I have some questions already!
Fantastic way to explain it! https://t.co/gfjXera0Im
A5: Good Argument is like Give a start and a finish, then many ways to get there, often rerouting halfway. Learn as you go
Agree 100% on both the relationships and using sarcasm as “inside jokes”
Teaching them to "explain" their evidence helps with this problem. https://t.co/Pd25yuExpa
Our students believe that "evidence = the page in the book where you got it." Wrong. "Source" and "Evidence" are NOT synonyms.
A5: Organization. Students should create mind maps/ outlines to see what fits & connects their claims to the thesis & conclusion.
A6 It's all about the Es! Explain, give Examples, Elaborate!
Goal: "I found a number that supports my statement & I found an example that supports it. The sources were pg. 23, 28."
AMEN! And email that could be a verbal question!
It can be. It will give a baseline. Then teach them how.
How do you teach "defending the idea"?
My 8th grade son is doing that RIGHT THIS MINUTE and I may kill him.
Maybe his teacher. Who didn't teach any of this.
A6 My littles are encouraged to focus on facts and find multiple sources to support
will you be at the conference in Nola in July?
yeah, just like hard for Ts to release control, even harder for admins.
A6: Students need to support their statements with reliable primary and secondary sources. Learn research techniques!
A6: as a P.E. teacher I give solid examples for each exercise. When I'm subbing I love to use analogies to drive home points
A6: ARE: assertion, reasoning, evidence: ARE you arguing well?
2:30 on Tuesday. Same as many other great sessions. There's just so much awesomeness at Summer Spark!
Examples are one type of evidence for sure. What about the other 4 types?
agree teaching decision making & critical thinking must b part of our curriculum .0
Yes to all of your examples. Use debate to teach evidence, so Ss quickly learn about "interesting evidence." https://t.co/wFelZBJBMR
A6: this way for students that don't see it one way, giving them other examples and analogies helps them to see it in another light
A6 Ss need choices for evidence. I never wanted 250 essays with the same type of evidence either
Thanks, Sandy! I look forward to connecting face to face soon.
They are part of ours in math. We need to work on curric that connects the two
I wish I could go to this summer! Next year!
teach Ss to know their audience before arguing then choose evidence to appeal to that audience when defending their ideas
How do you teach types of evidence?
anyone else have Ss that almost melt down because they can't just find the "correct" answer.. and the grey area scares them?
Me, too! Are our sessions at the same time?
If they want us to be student centered, they must model it themselves.
Because you know it will be an annual event from now until gets sick of us.
LOL...I decided teaching writing to the littles would b priority after having to teach my 7th grader 3 write a paragraph
Here is an ex of how searching for hist evidence shows a commonly held hist belief to be false. https://t.co/HFyvRmGOh0
I've had that issue before
So no one has a lesson about types of evidence?
yes! Often it's the "good" ss. I let them struggle- and then giv support discreetly later on. They learn to swim, sometime
Feedback is huge. Reflect when evid. is strong (be specific) and when evid. is weak (people were confused, didn't match, easy refute)
Hard to teach it's the process I want to see, not just the answer. https://t.co/OxPKlPqovN
anyone else have Ss that almost melt down because they can't just find the "correct" answer.. and the grey area scares them?
Nope! :) I believe I'm on Monday.
A7: Know your audience and pair evidence that supports your claim with top appeals to the audience; what calls audience to action?
Do you mean written, oral, archaeological, scientific, etc.?
One at a time. Model and connect to their life. Ss use very types of evidence all the time, they just don't realize
facts, numbers, examples, quotes, analogies...
I'm struggling to think if I know the four types!
A7: Show examples & model texts. Show reliable POV, unreliable, biased, data driven, etc. It helps for Ss to see it. Discuss & compare
I think in order for the students to know their audience, a little blurb should be said what audience they are appealing to
some of my brightest students overthink and are afraid of mistakes.
Analogies are the type of evidence my Ss struggle to find and use. However, they pack a punch when done well.
I'll put a link on the Padlet...
Yes. I use and ask them what they see, smell, etc. The walls break down eventually.
For example tell them they are talking to an expert on the subject, or someone that's never heard of it
A7 It's amazing how type of evidence connects with tone. Audience needs to be determined first
. I love challenging the rules about how school is supposed to be. 😆
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, have you read other books too? Have you used them for a PLC before?
I think that in order for analogies to work well, maybe spend time in class having them write one on a given subject
some Ss were on side. Heart strings were pulled
a growth mindset needs to be encouraged from an early age...would help them
This is why I teach green screen, document sharing in Google Docs, Maps, will teach forms, to my Ss.
I have (and have read/taught) them all. Erik's work is working its way through my district. It's my mission.
Oh for sure. Their perfectionism often serves them well, but it can also overwhelm them.
A7 By noticing, calling attention to and discussing the choices other authors make to draw us in and make us think.
Imagine walking into middle school with 8 years of coding, movie production, and robotics experience.
Yes...what's not modeled and practiced will not become routine or easier.
that would be great, not just authentic audience, but unknown debate partners! Love it!
A8: you gotta rock the ethos, pathos, logos lesson using Internet ads. Identify how they are manipulating us then require Ss to use!
Does anyone have a Persuasive Techniques unit? Lessons?
Perfect! Is there a recommended order or more like a toolkit for teachers?
Q5: I have students watch short that are high engagement. They critique and use work in groups from a rubric to identify
Yes! Specifically teach ethos, pathos, logos...even at young ages.
that middle school had DANG WELL Better take those kids and run with them. Don't go back to square one!
Growing creators, thinkers, problem solvers! Oh the possibilities! https://t.co/tK1hoDx12a
Imagine walking into middle school with 8 years of coding, movie production, and robotics experience.
A8: The presidential debates! A must for MS/HS kids. Damn!
A8: I have students watch short that are high engagement. They critique and use work in groups from a rubric to identify
A8: Persuasion: have Ss create commercials, products, political cartoons. Create a campaign, give speeches, elections, so many ideas.
They're all in book,Well Spoken.Treasure trove of resources/lessons.I know-I tried them w/my Ss. https://t.co/0B161C25Mq
A8 Use commercials-bandwagon, testimonials,slogans etc. This goes great w/ my Shark Tank unit. https://t.co/7RVxWsikKd
If not, may the Ss wreak havoc. (in the most positive way possible )
- I have used them from late elem to college depending on content.
A8 teach only 1 or 2...maybe none depending on class.
THEY can teach. make a explaining with examples...love
Added it to the summer reading list!
What separates numbers, examples, quotes, and analogies from facts? Seems to they could all be facts.
hopefully with some awesomely engineered/programmed destructobot (still positive, tho)
old adds are fab for this.
Does learning how to tear apart a computer and rebuild it in 2nd grade count?
Yeah, that's the common error. I'll post a bit about it on the padlet
All centered around commercials before we start Shark Tank. https://t.co/sEa9LBjV8R
Does anyone have a Persuasive Techniques unit? Lessons?
You know, Erik & I have had this conversation. My Ss see the most overlap w/facts & numbers. Can be both.
Special thanks to & for leading such an important discussion in tonight! Thanks to all who joined the crew!
Thx and crew. What an amazing night of conversation surrounding teaching argument & persuasion. https://t.co/B6jZbHgCyx
We've used to do a lot of these! Great way to engage the students and meet the standards.
Is it not a fact that there are now nearly 7.5 billion humans on the planet?
Thank you everyone for all this insight! Sorry I was late, I'll be on time next week
Is it not a fact that Lincoln said, "Four score and seven years ago, ..."
Thank you all for even more ideas!!!!
Yes, it sure is. I guess I was just so excited when Ss recognized it as evidence & use to support claim.
add to your list...bumper stickers = concise arguments
Great chat!! So glad I stumbled across it this evening. Lots of new connections made! Thank you!!!
