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lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:00 PM EST

Welcome to #Isedchat! Tonight we are privileged to have @pgow leading a discussion on "Most Likely to Succeed!"

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:00 PM EST

Thanks, Lorri! Great to be here for tonight’s #isedchat. Please introduce yourself & tell whether you have seen MOST LIKELY TO SUCCEED Y/N

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:01 PM EST

Please be sure to use the #isedchat hashtag, and we’ll use #MLTS as the signifier for the film MOST LIKELY TO SUCCEED

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:01 PM EST

We’ll also be using Q1/A1 format in tonight’s #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:01 PM EST

Lorri here from Hamden Hall in CT. I have not seen #MLTS #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:01 PM EST

I'm Peter, longtime indy school educator now w/ @indycurriculum & helping to mod tonight’s #isedchat from Boston-ish. Y, have seen #MLTS

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:02 PM EST

IMO I see #MLTS as having 2 big parts: 1) critique of current ed system and 2) extolling project-based program like @HighTechHigh #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:02 PM EST

#isedchat Q1: Do you think blanket critique of current ed system as all industrial & obsolete in #MLTS is accurate or fair?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:03 PM EST

Bill from @sbschoolorg in Western Mass.; on long winter weekend! Have not seen the movie but am looking forward to #isedchat nonetheless.

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:04 PM EST

Hi, I'm Nancy checking in from PAIS.. Saw #MLTS in November.. Loved it. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:04 PM EST

#isedchat A1: The majority of schools appear to be still stuck with the industrial model - as suggested in #MLTS

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:05 PM EST

#isedchat Rob from St. John's in Dallas.

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:05 PM EST

#isedchat Mike from NJ; have not seen the movie either.

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:06 PM EST

Hi, all. Good to see old friends at #isedchat tonight!

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:06 PM EST

A1: Have a kid in indy school & one in public - both mostly traditional - with some bursts of innovation #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:06 PM EST

#isedchat I've not seen it either.

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:07 PM EST

A1. At my school, we have a blend of traditional teachers and those who are project based. Appeals to students, I think. #Isedchat #mlts

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:08 PM EST

#isedchat Q2: What is your school doing to move forward beyond traditional, factory-like practices like those criticized in #MLTS?

theASIDEblog Feb 4 @ 9:08 PM EST

The most likely to succeed are the ones who can think on their feet. Learning needs to challenge. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:08 PM EST

After visiting 15+ schools in the last 1.5 year most have been traditional with doses of "innovation" #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:09 PM EST

@lcarroll94 I'd say we have a blend as well. Interesting to see which Ts appeal to Ss. #isedchat

mrteachersir Feb 4 @ 9:09 PM EST

Jeff from St. Louis. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:09 PM EST

A2: We have blended learning math, cultural literacy, integrated design lab, a work-study and community based learning #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:09 PM EST

@lcarroll94 the blend is appealing to parents & students who are used to more traditional models. Gives them time to adjust? #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1 I think the top-down lockstep approach is now more common than it was (thanks, NCLB/RttT) but exceptions certainly exist. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

#isedchat A2: we are changing schedule, implementing dig portfolios, conducting our own in house edcamps, and revisiting our Why frequently

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

A2: In addition to student-centered PBL/Blended curriculum MH/Wellness is a key part of our program. #isedchat

ckoos1 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

#ISEDchat A2: we have had days like Innovation Day and Teach Like A Pirate Day which are more student centered and less traditional.

mrteachersir Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

A2: we use PBL and Montessori to attain our mission. Also have a makerspace program that is developing. #isedchat #mlts

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

@bivey Can Top-down lock-step also be used to encourage "innovative" practice? #isedchat

theASIDEblog Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

We have tech, 1:1 devices, but in the end we still assess and plan lessons the same way we did 20 - 30 years ago. Why? #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:11 PM EST

@skeeTX @lcarroll94 I find kids who're fairly internally motivated tend to "like" me; kids seeking outside approval "like" others. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:11 PM EST

#isedchat A2 We hosted a screening of #MLTS this year for faculty, Ps, and Ss. Lots of great discussion since.

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

Our students are off campus every week, two days a week. #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

A2. 4 campus-wide maker spaces for anyone. Flipped classrooms. Digital essays. PBL. #isedchat

mrteachersir Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

A2: very field work based science program. We are student centered at the heart of what we do. And love visitors! #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

@pgow Heckuva question. I want to say "no," certainly not in lock-step. Plus, can innovation ever be *mandated*? I'm dubious. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

#isedchat Trying hard to innovate, while still listening to Ps desire for APs, test scores, etc.

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:13 PM EST

#isedchat I've changed my own practices over past few years in attempt to break from certain T tradition of just delivering content

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:13 PM EST

@skeeTX PBL requires more active learning on the students' part. Some like to be passive recipients. are they still learning? #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:13 PM EST

@bivey If innovation is a strategic goal, schools can require everyone to do certain things--not like @HIghTechHigh #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM EST

#isedchat Q3: Did #MLTS (or what you know abt it) make you feel depressed, frustrated, inspired, or validated? All? Some of each?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2 Our middle school is firmly and delightfully progressive in approach. Our upper school moving w/increasing purpose toward same. #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM EST

At #educon last week & as an English teacher, that was a Q for me. #stringtheoryschool has some answ #isedchat https://t.co/jg22nKG4ap

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:12 PM EST

#isedchat Trying hard to innovate, while still listening to Ps desire for APs, test scores, etc.

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM EST

@lcarroll94 Active learning can also be something as simple as a healthy discussion by all members of a class and T. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM EST

@bivey #isedchat Middle School does tend to lead the way. Wonder why? Lack of pressure to get into college?

ShiftParadigm Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

CHILDHOOD PLAY is how we learn to inquire, innovate, problem solve, get along, and lead. READ -> https://t.co/RrewrKRjC2 #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

@mrteachersir pre-k thru 12! #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @skeeTX good question.Engagement & learning look different to all of us. Are more passive Ss learning by observation? #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

@pgow a) I now follow @hightechhigh. Thanks! b) Context for innovation can certainly be created, I would say. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

@pgow @bivey What about accountability if not innovative enough? Whatever that might look like? #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@mtminihan @bivey I definitely think LS and MS have more room to experiment. Pressure from parents/college isn't there. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@ckoos1 I had not. But the opening "bullsh!t" scene pulled me in right away! #MLTS #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@mtminihan @bivey I think you nailed it, Margaret--people see "stakes" as "lower"--alas in some ways, okay in others #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@skeeTX @lcarroll94 yes I agree - would add in some form of maker education though to become true AL #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@mtminihan Maybe. That said, we deliberately designed our MS program on @AMLE's "This We Believe." Research-based progressivism. #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@skeeTX @pgow @bivey This is why I’m a skeptic about these conversations. EVERYONE is pro-innovation, whatever that means. #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM EST

@mrteachersir absolutely! https://t.co/0bxQNf8QXG. #gfsteach. All about collaboration! #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM EST

@pgow The clips and articles I read made me excited to learn more about it. Want to discuss with my own faculty. #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM EST

@mtminihan @bivey yes! stakes r lower & parents r open to innovation & change when they're not worried about post-secondary life #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM EST

nice segue into #isedchat Q4: #MLTS presents #PBL (project-based) as the one answer to the edu challenges of our time. Is this too simple?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM EST

@skeeTX @pgow "Innovative enough" would mean getting into judgments and hierarchies, which I believe are no friend of innovation. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:18 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @pgow @bivey Some old school "stuff" certainly works. I think flexibility/openmindedness are important for me #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:18 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @skeeTX @pgow @bivey to me innovation means having a bias for action, being open to new ideas... #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:18 PM EST

@pgow @bivey @lcarroll94 #isedchat So HMW bring more innovation to the upper school? HMW educate Ps about the importance?

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

Your divisions are so lucky! V tricky telling parents we're experimenting w multi-touch books for AP Eng! #isedchat https://t.co/saBOzSATkC

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:16 PM EST

@mtminihan @bivey I definitely think LS and MS have more room to experiment. Pressure from parents/college isn't there. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

A4: PBL too simple - prefer problem-based learning focused on social justice, community change where Ss can become agents of good. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

#isedchat A4 #PBL is simple, yes, but it’s just a start. Abolish subject divisions and do more authentic “projects”!

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @skeeTX @pgow "Whatever that means" is certainly key. Corporate reformers and unschoolers may both be innovative. #isedchat

mrteachersir Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

@lcarroll94 in LS we feel pressure get students into MS. Not isolated to US. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:19 PM EST

@mtminihan @pgow @bivey @lcarroll94 BTDT, parent coffees, design challenges, use them as guests, invite them to panels #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM EST

@mtminihan @bivey @lcarroll94 Sharing successful examples can help--schls that have shifted & still accomplish instrumental goals #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM EST

#isedchat Watched Dead Poets this week w/ my 8th graders. Free thinking v conformity! Still important topic today in Ed.

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM EST

@mtminihan yes! That is why one of our core US classes is "Integrated Design Lab" #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM EST

@mtminihan @pgow @bivey Some reassurance needs to come from the college level. most are still talking about the almighty APs #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM EST

@Learn21Tech Amen to that! #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@nironside13 @mtminihan For some parents, absolutely. Others accept, or come to, progressive MS methods can bring great results. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mtminihan @pgow @bivey glad to see new positioning from colleges here recently! It is progress. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mtminihan @bivey So EASY to lay AP argument to rest with examples, facts... #isedchat @indycurriculum :-)

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @pgow @bivey #isedchat I think that's starting to change. I've seen rumblings of a shift toward digital portfolios.

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @skeeTX @pgow @bivey I’m good w/terms like “flexible", but actions need not be innovative. Ready-fire-aim & all that. #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:21 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mtminihan @pgow We're an IB school now, and IB philosophy matches our MS philosophy nicely. Simplifies life a lot. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:22 PM EST

@bivey can you define "progressive method"? #isedchat

mrteachersir Feb 4 @ 9:22 PM EST

@Learn21Tech can you give an example of what’s done in Integrated Design Lab? #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:22 PM EST

@bivey @mtminihan true & more & more parents get on board all the time as they see the results of Ss engagement, passion, etc #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:22 PM EST

@skeeTX @bivey in 140 characters, Bill? Go for it! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:22 PM EST

@bivey @nironside13 Maybe that’s it. If LS and MS innovate enough, future US parents will expect something different! #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

@mthayer_nj Yes, need to be willing to try, not just set in old ways of thinking. And Ts need to hold each other accountable. #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

@pgow @mtminihan @lcarroll94 I'll concede when one of our first six-year kids got into Brown, faith in MS program increased. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

@mrteachersir yes - look at @HFA_IS10 or @DrMZ_Parker - Ss use Human Centered Design to identify and solve comm probs #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

@skeeTX I watched it again recently for my grad class. Still so relevant! #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

Q4. @Learn21Tech is right. PBL one part of a larger whole. Public speaking skills are essential. Good Writing+tech=innovation. #isedchat

theASIDEblog Feb 4 @ 9:23 PM EST

Right On! Unfortunately, "college ready" has replaced it even in the private school sector. #isedchat https://t.co/uMs08BbupQ

ShiftParadigm Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM EST

CHILDHOOD PLAY is how we learn to inquire, innovate, problem solve, get along, and lead. READ -> https://t.co/RrewrKRjC2 #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:24 PM EST

#isedchat Q5: How do we ensure that #PBL -intensive provides all the necessary ingredients of what is expected in a "complete" education?

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:24 PM EST

#isedchat IS is a class co-taught by three Ts from different "disciplines" thats interdisciplinary and has field-learning part of class.

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:24 PM EST

@pgow @skeeTX For me, it means holistic thinking centering process, reflection, and student voice and agency. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:25 PM EST

@Learn21Tech Beat me to the very issue! #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:25 PM EST

A5: Approach learning with themes and weave the content within it - use alternative assessments to show mastery #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:25 PM EST

@bivey @skeeTX Score! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:25 PM EST

#isedchat A5 This is key. I’m starting to thing not all “ingredients” are necessary. e.g. Do all kids need to master calculus?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:25 PM EST

@nironside13 @mtminihan Exactly. We saw a lot of skepticism in year 1 of the MS program; by now (year 12) enthusiastic support. #isedchat

theASIDEblog Feb 4 @ 9:26 PM EST

Are they only a day, or are they carried through as an integral part of curricula. The latter matters. #isedchat https://t.co/ObJx0JVUQ1

ckoos1 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:10 PM EST

#ISEDchat A2: we have had days like Innovation Day and Teach Like A Pirate Day which are more student centered and less traditional.

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:26 PM EST

#isedchat A5 What I mean is, maybe all kids don’t all need to know the same things. Maybe the idea of a “complete” education is faulty.

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:27 PM EST

@mtminihan Bingo to that! It's about redefining goals. One challenge is people expect school to look like "school" #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:27 PM EST

@mtminihan I did not take Calculus and I think I have not suffered long term effects! #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:27 PM EST

Excellent point! #isedchat https://t.co/gMQg5SfTHA

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:26 PM EST

#isedchat A5 What I mean is, maybe all kids don’t all need to know the same things. Maybe the idea of a “complete” education is faulty.

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:27 PM EST

@mtminihan As a math teacher, I can confidently say NO. :) #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM EST

A5 I try to identify thinking/processing skills that cut across all content, then focus the kids on developing those. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM EST

#isedchat @Learn21Tech Love this. Very authentic and real world.

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM EST

@mtminihan I agree with this... that is why I am excited about the focus on personalized learning #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM EST

@skeeTX @mtminihan hear, hear! #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM EST

@mtminihan I agree, but if they want to apply to top tier colleges, they do need certain things. Our parents would expect that. #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:29 PM EST

#isedchat Confession: I don’t know what a “complete” education is. I suspect most people’s educations could be “complete” by age 12.

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:29 PM EST

@skeeTX I took it, but I don’t remember most of it. Definitely didn’t prepare me for any career I’ve had! #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:29 PM EST

@mtminihan WHY 4 years needed for high school or college? Especially at today's prices? #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:29 PM EST

@skeeTX But I don’t mean to pick on calculus either. The same could be said of many subjects. Subjects themselves are the problem. #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:29 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mtminihan This is what makes math so problematic as a discipline. Ss “need" very specific, recognized courses. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:30 PM EST

@mthayer_nj if a student can take calc in 9th grade why make them wait until 12th! #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:31 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @mthayer_nj If you have an effective way to screen for placement, let me know! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:31 PM EST

@lcarroll94 Well, right, that’s what we come back to. So is it up to colleges to redefine “college ready”? #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:31 PM EST

@mthayer_nj Well, my education is unlikely to ever be complete. Even when I am. ;-) Another term *might* be "well-rounded." #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:31 PM EST

@Learn21Tech Agree, but I’ll admit to being skeptical that there are many Ss of that caliber. Manipulating formulas ≠ ability. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:31 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @mthayer_nj Exactly. Can't have T and Ss all meeting in the middle as what has traditionally happened. #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @lcarroll94 @mtminihan Do they, though? (And yes, I did catch the air quotes!) #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

@mthayer_nj I thought I did until I was in my 30s, then I realized I didn't at all. It was a liberation #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

@bivey @mthayer_nj Mine still isn’t complete. Working on learning more right now, as a matter of fact! #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

#isedchat Q6: So how do “traditional” schools make the shift to a more innovative model--move from “factory model” to @HighTechHigh -ish?

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

@mthayer_nj math might be a bad example... could say the same for forcing any traditional tracking not just math #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:32 PM EST

@mtminihan @mthayer_nj ... as we speak! Literally. ;-) #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:33 PM EST

@bivey I like that term. I’d prefer to think of schools as helping people become well-rounded, rather than “educated”. #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:33 PM EST

We have to rethink top tier schools. Hard sell to parents, but my husband's Dartmouth degree & my state degree=same job/salary #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:33 PM EST

A6 @pgow @HighTechHigh Admin need to give teachers the freedom to experiment, collaborate.... and fail... and try again. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:33 PM EST

@bivey One reason I love my job is I'm learning about Ss and myself daily! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:33 PM EST

#isedchat A6 Small steps. #trudacot is a great place to start.

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:34 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @pgow @HighTechHigh yes! collab time, affinity groups, innovation fellowships, innovation grants, etc #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:34 PM EST

@pgow Perhaps the purpose of school should be to let young people know that learning (which isn’t schooling) is endless… #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:34 PM EST

#isedchat sidebar: Anyone seen BEYOND MEASURE, which tries to show the shift occurring in a few established schools?

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:34 PM EST

#isedchat A6: need a vision/clear goal for Ts to support as well as buy in from all stakeholders

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:35 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @pgow That's surely one of my main goals for my students, and something for which I try to be a role model. #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:35 PM EST

@Learn21Tech Math is unique among subjects, and not in a good way, because of the tracking it entails. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:35 PM EST

More than perhaps! #isedchat https://t.co/zyMpQSgPYx

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:34 PM EST

@pgow Perhaps the purpose of school should be to let young people know that learning (which isn’t schooling) is endless… #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:36 PM EST

@mtminihan I hedge a lot; maybe too much :) #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:36 PM EST

A6 I think it has to start with examining attitudes toward students. If we love *and trust* them, things start to fall into place. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:36 PM EST

@skeeTX Clarity of vision & purpose in school change essential but more rare than we think via @indycurriculum aca ldrship survey #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:36 PM EST

@mtminihan but how would a 9th/10th grader know yet? We need to give kids options so doors aren't closed b4 they figure it out. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:36 PM EST

@mthayer_nj our math program is not tracked.. each Ss has a personalized prescription and we use blended leanring lab rotation #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:37 PM EST

@mtminihan @mthayer_nj @lcarroll94 Agree. And that's when I think students' overall curricula can/should differ from each other. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:37 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @mthayer_nj I would love to learn more about that! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:37 PM EST

@lcarroll94 Agree to that. But also know that we can't keep piling on more content w/out letting something go. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:37 PM EST

@Learn21Tech math done online? #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:37 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mthayer_nj I need to do a blog post! #isedchat

sarahhanawald Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@pgow I haven't seen it. Have you reviewed Beyond Measure (film) https://t.co/lYs6WAcgrp? #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @lcarroll94 I’d look forward to reading it! #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@lcarroll94 @mtminihan Some 9th/10th graders do know (I sorta did), although I agree curricula can be set to keep options open. #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@pgow @skeeTX @IndyCurriculum that's depressing. #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@skeeTX we have three pods, students rotate in 80 min block. T:S, S:S, S:Edmentum or Khan #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @lcarroll94 @mthayer_nj At least one. Perhaps a series. :-) #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:38 PM EST

@sarahhanawald Have seen BEYOND MEASURE and like it a lot #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:39 PM EST

@bivey @mtminihan @lcarroll94 I think EVERYONE should be exposed to the types of things math can do. But in many different ways. #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:39 PM EST

@nironside13 @pgow @skeeTX @IndyCurriculum My school is fortunate - Heads now and on MS founding both showed clarity/strength. #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:40 PM EST

@pgow @skeeTX @IndyCurriculum looking forward to that! #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:40 PM EST

#isedchat Q7: SO: Does #MLTS help the general public understand the challenges in schools making the shift from “traditional” to “modern”?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:41 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @mtminihan @lcarroll94 Agree. Mathematical modes of thinking invaluable &, I'm coming to believe, in surprising ways. #isedchat

sarahhanawald Feb 4 @ 9:41 PM EST

@Learn21Tech One thing I wonder about is if math is really as incontrovertibly step by step as we think. #notanexpert #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:42 PM EST

@pgow not sure honestly.. much of it for me wasn't new but I don't know I was the primary persona they went after for audience. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:42 PM EST

@thommarkham Full marks! [Ironic reference to traditional assessments :-)] #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:42 PM EST

#isedchat A7 I think it’s a start, but it leaves many traditional Ps feeling nervous. We have work to do.

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:42 PM EST

A7 I think it’d take an awful lot for public perspective on what “school” is to shift notably. A movie could help, I guess. #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:42 PM EST

@pgow interesting Q. I watched it w/ educators. Would love to know how Ps respond. And Ss especially! Or policy makers.. #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:43 PM EST

@pgow @thommarkham Hahaha! #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:43 PM EST

@nironside13 @pgow would be great to watch with Ps and then do a design session afterwards #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:43 PM EST

@bivey @mtminihan @lcarroll94 Ever seen these? https://t.co/EUFlJFeEmy Very cool, and very non-traditional. #isedchat

ConsultJodi Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

Traditional parents feel nervous with a lot of tech and data privancy, not so much with PBL and Montessori. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @nironside13 Interesting idea--have usually seen evening showings, owlish panel, then all go home. No follow-up #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @nironside13 @pgow We offered it to Ps. About 10% came. All that came loved it. Not sure about the rest. #isedchat

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @pgow great idea!! #isedchat

BethRheingold - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

Gotta duck out but thanks for good chat! My school #GFS screening #mlts in spring. #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:44 PM EST

#isedchat Q8 What would educator YOU want non-educator (e.g., parent) viewers of #MLTS to take away from the film?

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:45 PM EST

@BethRheingold Thanks for stopping by #isedchat tonight! Enjoy it when you view it!

nironside13 Feb 4 @ 9:45 PM EST

@mtminihan @Learn21Tech @pgow only 10%? Sniff. Did you show Ss? #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:46 PM EST

@nironside13 @mtminihan @Learn21Tech Show students? Great question! Anyone? #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:46 PM EST

@mthayer_nj @mtminihan @lcarroll94 No, so thank you! I'll be sure and check it out. #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:46 PM EST

#isedchat A8: I'd like Ps to know there are alternative approaches that will still care for and educate their children. No 1 pathway

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:46 PM EST

@pgow we are preparing kids for a completely new world we must shift teaching to prepare them! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:46 PM EST

@nironside13 @Learn21Tech @pgow Yes, we did! Not optional for them. :) #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:47 PM EST

@skeeTX +1 to that! #isedchat

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:47 PM EST

@pgow @nironside13 @mtminihan love this idea.. I think I will show Ss and ask what they want to change or add to our school #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:47 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @pgow And shift the Ts to do that if they can't see that! #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:47 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @pgow @nironside13 We showed them and asked what they thought we were already doing and what we should do next. #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:48 PM EST

A8 I haven't seen the film; I suspect I would want them to understand how multiple "non-traditional" approaches can be effective. #isedchat

ConsultJodi Feb 4 @ 9:48 PM EST

A generation ago, most parents had shop and welding. Those are PBL based, so parents can buy in to today's classes. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @pgow the challenge is getting a handle on what that new world may be #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

#isedchat A8 Don’t worry so much about “measurables.” School should be more like life. Big ?s, not little ones. Real probs, not worksheets.

Learn21Tech Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

@jgregorymartin @pgow yep! https://t.co/EMoqfVmcMH #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

#isedchat https://t.co/ADrBkkpO5D

thommarkham Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

@pgow 'Retro fitting HTH model onto traditional systems is one of top five issues in Ed.

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:50 PM EST

@mtminihan Agree, but still hard for so many Ps to get on board! #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:50 PM EST

#isedchat Q9 What else do films like #MLTS add that is necessary and/or positive to the general discussion of education in society ?

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:50 PM EST

But this is easy for us to say. The real question is how to prove it to #isedchat Ps. https://t.co/ZNMD2Kx9j0

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:49 PM EST

#isedchat A8 Don’t worry so much about “measurables.” School should be more like life. Big ?s, not little ones. Real probs, not worksheets.

ConsultJodi Feb 4 @ 9:51 PM EST

How many schools get alumni to provide real life projects for students? #isedchat

CreditFlex Feb 4 @ 9:51 PM EST

@Learn21Tech @pgow @nironside13 @mtminihan I saw 90th percentile, "creamed" T's. No hint of doing this in Steubenville with staff #isedchat

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:51 PM EST

A9 This #isedchat.

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:52 PM EST

@bivey Thank you! All #isedchat s!

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:53 PM EST

@pgow True that. Happy to have a night off (Long Winter Weekend) and be home from 9:00-10:00 and able to just hang out. :-) #isedchat

mthayer_nj Feb 4 @ 9:54 PM EST

Good night #isedchat folks - have a great rest of your week!

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:54 PM EST

@mtminihan The measurables question huge--but I think there are ways of gathering data to shift this discussion, but expensive #isedchat

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:54 PM EST

#isedchat A9 I think #MLTS gives the impression that the country is ready for change in education. Somehow, in some way.

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:54 PM EST

@mtminihan I hear you but we do need foundational skills to build upon, especially in the younger grades. #isedchat

sarahhanawald Feb 4 @ 9:55 PM EST

@pgow Films like #MLTS let Ps know that the conversation exists and that they can join in. Provide a vocabulary #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:55 PM EST

#isedchat A9: more discussion leads to awareness which can support the necessary changes to best serve our kids now & going forward

jgregorymartin Feb 4 @ 9:55 PM EST

@pgow #isedchat learning must be the focus, not simply credentialing for a job. Carnegie hrs need 2 b done away with in fav of tangible skls

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:55 PM EST

@pgow @mtminihan Well... there are many ways of measuring. Qualitative data is still data. :-) #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:56 PM EST

@lcarroll94 Skills yes, but are the same ones we were taught applicable now? Like my 8 year old having a handwriting grade! #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:57 PM EST

@bivey @mtminihan Wearing my @indycurriculm hat I have a dream of getting this kind of information together #isedchat

pgow Feb 4 @ 9:57 PM EST

#isedchat Q10 As an educator, what questions would you want to ask the #MLTS filmmakers?

bivey Feb 4 @ 9:58 PM EST

@pgow @mtminihan Sounds like an achievable dream, if perhaps slowly and surely. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:58 PM EST

@skeeTX do you think it is important to write so that others can read it? Still need to hand-write some things in life. No? #isedchat

skeeTX Feb 4 @ 9:58 PM EST

#isedchat thx @pgow and everyone! Great discussion tonight!

mtminihan Feb 4 @ 9:59 PM EST

@lcarroll94 That's the 5th grader. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Feb 4 @ 9:59 PM EST

@skeeTX not sure how I feel about a grade being assigned to that but practice and feedback regarding it, yes. #isedchat