#sblchat Archive
Wednesday April 27, 2016
9:00 PM EDT
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:00 PM EDT
@garnet_hillman
and I are honored to welcome Ken O'Connor as our Guest Moderator to
#sblchat
on the 7 P's of Grading.
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
#sblchat
. Even though you may have thought we started early, we were just getting warmed up. Let's make introductions and mingle.
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
Ken, 7th grade science, Mount Vernon, KY T-26 days until summer!
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
Ken O’Connor, guest mod., consultant and author, time confused in chilly Toronto.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
Ken, welcome!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Still, so thrilled to have you as our Guest tonight on
#sblchat
https://t.co/UwYe7Gt2Qd
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
Ken O’Connor, guest mod., consultant and author, time confused in chilly Toronto.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Mandi, HS Math teacher from MO. Excited to learn with
@kenoc7
tonight!
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
glad to be here. Excited for the
#sblchat
tonight with
@kenoc7
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Brett form Iowa 6th Grade SS and Math poking around!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
mandi, ready to learn alongside
@kenoc7
tonight in
#sblchat
? We are!
EnglishAdams
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Hello
#sblchat
. Amy from IA. HS ELA teacher. Glad to be here.
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Again my apologies for messing up and scheduling the
#sblchat
questions one hour early.
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Don, middle school teacher in St. Louis
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
We stoked!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/ZGWPznfbSu
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
glad to be here. Excited for the
#sblchat
tonight with
@kenoc7
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@kenoc7
Super excited. Geeking out a little! :-)
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Brett, poke, lurk and tweet tonight in
#sblchat
please...
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Dave - HS SS in Ankeny, IA joining
#sblchat
tonight - should be reading essays...
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Me too, Mandi!
#sblchat
https://t.co/09GkzBBETH
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@kenoc7
Super excited. Geeking out a little! :-)
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Q1 Policies are broad statements of general intent. What grading policies (state, district, school) are you required to follow?
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Tonight we will examine the 7 P's of Grading -Policy, Principles, Purpose, Practices, Practicality, Principals and Procedures.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@EnglishAdams
Amy, welcome to
#sblchat
tonight!
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Brad in Bangkok. Happy to join
#sblchat
with grading guru
@kenoc7
hosting!
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Steve- HS Tech Ed/ Tech Integrator
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Ken, we are thrilled you are here...
#sblchat
https://t.co/O1pwOLxRPn
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Again my apologies for messing up and scheduling the
#sblchat
questions one hour early.
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
The essays can wait Dave. I give you permission!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/TekR2Y56ZT
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Dave - HS SS in Ankeny, IA joining
#sblchat
tonight - should be reading essays...
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@dayankee
Don, pleased to see you in
#sblchat
tonight...
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Q1 Policies are broad statements of general intent. What grading policies (state, district, school) are you required to follow?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Good evening
#sblchat
! Lynne, MS teacher-librarian in Washington state, checking in.
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
A1 - Our district is required to follow quarterly marking periods and post grades shortly after the close of each one.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Dave, pause the essays and jump into
#sblchat
now!
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Hi
#sblchat
! Amit here from the Toronto area. Looking forward to learning w/ you all tonight.
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@kenoc7
I'm guest moderating my first chat tomorrow. You just made me feel less nervous so thanks.
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
A1 Are the kids learning? Is their growth? That is mainly what we want to know.
#sblchat
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Brian, HS comm arts in WI. Ready for
#sblchat
led by
@kenoc7
tonight!
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@BradLatzke
Brad, we are so honored to have
@kenoc7
hosting
#sblchat
tonight!
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1: Letter grades are required in our district and will be in the foreseeable future.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 - Our district requires grades from A+ through F with no Incomplete Grades.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@sthomaschefsky
Steve, welcome to our
#sblchat
Crew tonight!
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 mid quarter, quarter, repeat then semester grade. Heading to SBG
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@Perednia
Dearest Lynne! So stunned to see you joining our
#sblchat
Crew! Welcome!
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
Trimesters with both traditional and transitioning to standard based for next year.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
And are all grades of an "A" equal? :/
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: We are required to have a certain amount of grades in the gradebook for every 3 week grade check.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@AmitMehrotra78
Amit, we are pleased you are here!
#sblchat
fullerenglish
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Tiffany from Daytona Beach dropping in for a few. Hi everyone
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1:I only have to report a grade for my class. No policy on how grade is determined. I can standards-based to my hearts content
#sblchat
kirk_humphreys
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Kirk here. I teach 6-8th grade double accelerated math in a flipped classroom. I'm ready to get some learning on!
#sblchat
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
#sblchat
- Gerad Carrier from Tampa Catholic - Diocese of St. Petersburg.
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
I'd say "no"...
#sblchat
https://t.co/t6RdRYPRe0
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
And are all grades of an "A" equal? :/
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
This is it...
#sblchat
https://t.co/WJUOau6ylX
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
A1 Are the kids learning? Is their growth? That is mainly what we want to know.
#sblchat
fullerenglish
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: required number of formative and summatives per quarter
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Yea... it was rhetorical :P
#sblchat
MeganCMoMo
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Mine too. There are other guidelines as well, although required is a difficult word for me to swallow.
#sblchat
https://t.co/8ruCjlsHQc
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 - Our district requires grades from A+ through F with no Incomplete Grades.
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
We are req'd to use a triangulation of evidence=conversations, observations & products
#sblchat
- I find it helps
https://t.co/UEYRl2ZDRK
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Q1 Policies are broad statements of general intent. What grading policies (state, district, school) are you required to follow?
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
RQ1 Policies are broad statements of general intent. What grading policies (state, district, school) are you required to follow?
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
@RoweRikW
Just had this convo with Ss this week. What does the A in each of your classes mean?
#sblchat
Meffscience
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
Steve from Urbandale, Iowa. Chatting during a downpour
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Brian, so great to have
@kenoc7
with us!
#sblchat
EnglishAdams
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1 grades A-F in HS moving toward SBG
#sblchat
kirk_humphreys
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1: We are required to give grades each quarter but that is pretty much it. Next year we are going to SBG.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Hey you! Trying to expand my understanding to better serve
#sblchat
.
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
I really dislike try to change a SBG to a traditional. Dont equate real well
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
That is one of the worst possible policies. How do your leaders justify it?
#sblchat
https://t.co/GKulRrSaCE
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: We are required to have a certain amount of grades in the gradebook for every 3 week grade check.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
Same here - we have SB in place, but must report with A - F
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Absolutely they are not equal...
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
#ReadyToServe
#sblchat
https://t.co/jKlm0YdV5z
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Hey you! Trying to expand my understanding to better serve
#sblchat
.
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
Dave, you read my mind...again!
#sblchat
https://t.co/zqZTxgHLts
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1: Letter grades are required in our district and will be in the foreseeable future.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1. Letter grades but our building does have Incompletes per grading period.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Thank you!
#sblchat
https://t.co/W7mrJu73g5
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Absolutely they are not equal...
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Sandy Otto, ELA teacher from MN.
#sblchat
always reminds me that there are many who are fighting this important fight. Fuel for my fire.
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
That's awesome that you are moving to SBG.
#sblchat
https://t.co/0g7cEQDaex
EnglishAdams
Apr 27 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1 grades A-F in HS moving toward SBG
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
I'd guess it's because they don't trust teachers. It's the same reason we test things to death in the US
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
#sblchat
A1 We don't really have policies that govern grading other than we must report to Ps about progress. It gets sticky w/HS transcript
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@sandyrotto
Great to have you here tonight at
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Steve, you'll never look back after you've transitioned to Standards-Based Grading...
#sblchat
https://t.co/vnFJGeP7e2
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 mid quarter, quarter, repeat then semester grade. Heading to SBG
#sblchat
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Wish there was a "Dislike" button for schools still stuck in traditional grading. Get admin on
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
I think in modern times it has come to mean "I am super compliant."
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
We only collect easy data. We have no way to measure the important qualities of kids so we don't collect data on those.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Admin say Ps want grades in the gradbook to show we are doing something.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@DRich0696
@kenmattingly
As long as the A-F have real not symbolic (%) meaning it is a reasonable compromise or transition.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
#STOPIT
#sblchat
https://t.co/Si7ileEOtN
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: We are required to have a certain amount of grades in the gradebook for every 3 week grade check.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@Perednia
When do the incompletes turn into a failing grade?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1. An A does mean mastery of the learning standards in each quarter. 95% for meets, 100% for exceeds. Re-dos encouraged.
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Good evening,
#sblchat
! Sorry I'm late. Ryan from Flint, MI. MS Social Studies.
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
#sblchat
also in ME, we are moving toward a proficiency based diploma. Ss need to demo proficiency on specific content areas.
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Agreed...
#Ouch
#sblchat
https://t.co/6WqiN944d4
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
I think in modern times it has come to mean "I am super compliant."
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@fullerenglish
Tiffany, welcome to our
#sblchat
Crew!
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@DRich0696
while not a perfect world, it's much better than when I started teaching. SBG much more prevalent now.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@ttmorntt
Let's micromanage all the teachers so they do not enjoy their jobs. :P
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
We don't have F's in our building.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@geradcarrier
Gerad, we are happy to have you with our
#sblchat
Crew this evening.
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@kenoc7
That is a fairly common policy - at least in the places where I've worked as a PD provider.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Hi,
#sblchat
. I'm Brian in CO. I teach MS Ss English. A1 Report cards show: A, B, C, F, no +/-. Standards-based practices rule out zeros.
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1.1 I have been given permission to pilot my 1 or not yet grading for next year
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
Q2 Principles are the values that orient what we do. What individual or institutional principles related to grading guide you?
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
@RoweRikW
That was where I was steering the convo. They were Sr and many liked it that way. Path of least resistance.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
Q2 Principles are the values that orient what we do. What individual or institutional principles related to grading guide you?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
#STOPIT
#Humor
#sblchat
https://t.co/6nt7218If0
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@ttmorntt
Let's micromanage all the teachers so they do not enjoy their jobs. :P
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
Many (esp non-educators) can't understand how an A, B, C, etc can mean so many different things.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@BradLatzke
My experience is admin on board, harder to get Ps to buy in.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@kenoc7
I convert my 4 point scale to 100, 90, 75, and Insufficient Evidence - still have to trick Infinite Campus a bit though.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
Why not check marks just to show formative done?
#sblchat
https://t.co/CqnKPiwYeQ
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Admin say Ps want grades in the gradbook to show we are doing something.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
Only consequences honor roll activities & sports; 8th graders need to pass all so no extra study time frosh yr.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
What is an A in proficiency vs a B or C vs SBG? This is why I hate doing both.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
And/or, "I'm a good test taker." (Maybe those two are related?)
#SBLchat
https://t.co/p4qgg2OvQL
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
I think in modern times it has come to mean "I am super compliant."
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A1: We are bound by letter grades. We have modified how we give percentages to reflect more accurately against SBL.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2 - We are solely guided by the learning needs of our Students. To
#MakeLearningPersonal
, we must have student-centered learning.
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2 I want kids to be able to DO things. I assess whether or not kids can DO things: create websites, blog, problem-solve
#sblchat
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2 Guiding Principle: It's about the learning, not the grading.
#sblchat
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
#sblchat
- pls personal reply if your district/school has adopted SBG. Indicate entity and grade level implementation. Thanks!
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@Meffscience
Come into
#sblchat
and dry off, Steve!
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
SO TRUE! We've conditioned kids to not have to think, just do.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: Consider for principles FAST - Fair, Accurate, Specific, Timely
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@DRich0696
they do, but you've convinced me to totally decouple my reporting from a calculation. Changes coming next year
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: "The primary purpose of assessment...is to promote Ss learning" - Inst. Princ.
#GrowingSuccess
#sblchat
https://t.co/1cziys4vpS
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
Q2 Principles are the values that orient what we do. What individual or institutional principles related to grading guide you?
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
What DOK levels are these tests?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Our Learners have been talking about just this this week!
#sblchat
https://t.co/C6fwN7vmuR
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
SO TRUE! We've conditioned kids to not have to think, just do.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@kenoc7
How many Ps check these grade books? I would guess not many.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
I do similiar, overly complicated.
#sblchat
https://t.co/6Dj1CNnb6R
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@kenoc7
I convert my 4 point scale to 100, 90, 75, and Insufficient Evidence - still have to trick Infinite Campus a bit though.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
It makes no sense when you understand quality assessment principles so we must improve ass’t literacy.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2. Ss can always revise to show mastery; grading % based on how close to mastery of standard.
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2. Equity is at the core of progressive grading practices.
#sblchat
#AssessPeel
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@kenoc7
I would love it but my team is the only SBL in the building. District is just not there yet.
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2 we have a grading 4 learning committee we r using 15 gr fixes as a starting point with a career skills grade 4 behavior 4yrs out
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@Perednia
Okay, when does the incomplete turn into a grade? In HS, GPA is still a real concern, and thus, the incompletes hurt.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2. To meet goal more closely, I split purchase curriculum tests into standards, then used new text w/my ?s to assess.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 How can I wrestle symbols in a sort-of traditional grading system to reflect what learners know and can do?
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: My main principle is that the grade reflects current state of understanding. Ss never penalized for needing longer to learn.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Agreed. But I find it's a superintendent, asst super, or assessment coordinator that sets the policy - and Board approves
#sblchat
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@TracyMailloux
Admin responsible for educating Ps & bringing them on board.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
BAM!
#sblchat
https://t.co/lyZFf3qtXB
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2. Ss can always revise to show mastery; grading % based on how close to mastery of standard.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: focus on growth - where a S ends matters, where they start doesn't.
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
Converting SBG to an A-F grading system defeats the purpose of SBG. Grrrr
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
RQ2 Principles are the values that orient what we do. What individual or institutional principles related to grading guide you?
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@TracyMailloux
@kenoc7
A handful. My Ss track progress and should be able to show Ps at any time were they are in their learning
#sblchat
EnglishAdams
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2 I should have an idea of what Ss will score on assessments based on practice. Asmnts shouldn't be 1st look at the material.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
@Perednia
An I at the end should stay on the report card and have the same value for GPA as an F.
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A1. Guided by & follow
#GrowingSuccess
which provides some clarity on grading practices.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
https://t.co/RrlORJZxpX
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
My prior school had a 14-day period for an Incomplete.
#sblchat
https://t.co/Cyl5n23Shv
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@Perednia
Okay, when does the incomplete turn into a grade? In HS, GPA is still a real concern, and thus, the incompletes hurt.
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
So true!
@MrSoclassroom
is helping our Ss stop "doing math" & become "doers of math"
#sblchat
#numeracyandbeyond
https://t.co/mr6jpWNnsA
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@RoweRikW
SO TRUE! We've conditioned kids to not have to think, just do.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
HUGE!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/VdjJR3l8Zh
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: My main principle is that the grade reflects current state of understanding. Ss never penalized for needing longer to learn.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
It detracts from GPA in MS. Ongoing convo about that timeframe situation.
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
I was allowed to use "Nongraded feedback" category to share formative feedback,but had to put 1-4 in for mid-tri.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
Then we need to educate people at those levels.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@AmitMehrotra78
YES YES YES! I love working with
@mathdiana
and seeing how she does it!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Thank you Brad!
#sblchat
https://t.co/m9Z5oR9mIm
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@TracyMailloux
Admin responsible for educating Ps & bringing them on board.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@Perednia
I've not seen a HS yet that allows an I to stay an I until the end of the year. Not saying it's not a good idea.
#sblchat
WesLVHS
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
A2: Student assessment bill of rights
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Say it LOUDER...
#sblchat
https://t.co/GrFIxnyL1S
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: focus on growth - where a S ends matters, where they start doesn't.
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
#sblchat
if we want to separate Ss then they get 1 bite at the apple, if we want to develop Ss, they keep working till they get it!
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Some of our grading is based on speed with which kids solve problems or answer questions. Wrong! Who cares how long it takes!
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
@RoweRikW
I tell Ss that ALL THE TIME. Don't just be doers, be thinkers and learners.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@MrLisekRPSA
My 1 might be a 50 or a 60 - it depends on the situation.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Hard to educate those that don't seek the education!
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@drangelapeery
Math has been able to carry over standards in 1 yr but that's as far as we've gotten.
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
We are allowed to use an I for a semester
#sblchat
https://t.co/CMPFeSUnJj
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@Perednia
I've not seen a HS yet that allows an I to stay an I until the end of the year. Not saying it's not a good idea.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
Well, I hope (and aspire to) all four. I fret that levels one and sometimes two prevail.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@dayankee
If letter grades aren’t going away I would rather have them based on SBG than traditional grading.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2 formative assessments along the way to guide instruction; summative grades based on what Ss can consistently do now.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
Stunning thought!
#sblchat
https://t.co/0s8oY3XBn7
WesLVHS
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
A2: Student assessment bill of rights
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
I made it so they were not factored into course grade. So, Ss have no current grade until they see this feedback.
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Yep, but if we're going SBG, let's go all in :)
#sblchat
fullerenglish
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2- we're advised to do more than average our gradebooks & determine as the professional what a kid knows= that's the grade
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
Thank you, Don...
#sblchat
https://t.co/effQInAmP6
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Some of our grading is based on speed with which kids solve problems or answer questions. Wrong! Who cares how long it takes!
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
@Perednia
At one point Bremerton HS in WA did.
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: Our principle: What have you done to show growth in learning today?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
BAM!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/LHJZEjATAi
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2 formative assessments along the way to guide instruction; summative grades based on what Ss can consistently do now.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@Perednia
See the problem? Ken, with all your experience, you could name only one.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: Focus on learning not grades. Ss own their learning and guide the process in a way that best suits them.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3 Purpose gives direction to what we do. What for you is the primary purpose of grades?
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3 Purpose gives direction to what we do. What for you is the primary purpose of grades?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Love it!
#sblchat
https://t.co/mdZ5Fbf3DF
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: Our principle: What have you done to show growth in learning today?
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A3: The purpose of grading is to provide feedback that leads to improved learning and teaching - period.
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
AND i dont care how you prove it to me! S can pick the media.
#sblchat
https://t.co/vl8Ye8YGtZ
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: Our principle: What have you done to show growth in learning today?
#sblchat
Meffscience
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A3: Grades are communication on the progress of students towards their standards
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Yep, should have added this to my statement. Talked about this with Ss again today.
#sblchat
https://t.co/fYOvVb624j
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: My main principle is that the grade reflects current state of understanding. Ss never penalized for needing longer to learn.
#sblchat
fullerenglish
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
@DRich0696
that's our philosophy too
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
@dayankee
I absolutely agree that is where we should be; no reason not to be K-8, but it is difficult at HS.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 - Our primary purpose of grades is communication.
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 entrance to College or Tech school
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
Right on TARGET!
#sblchat
https://t.co/ZHooauXPUH
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A3: The purpose of grading is to provide feedback that leads to improved learning and teaching - period.
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 Gives me an idea of what the kids are learning though I can do that through observation and conferencing. Love to go gradeless
#sblchat
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A2: Fairness and authenticity.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
So, here's a Q bugging me: Does SBL ignore extended time mandates from IEP/504 plans? Should time be limitless?
#sblchat
WesLVHS
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Honest communication about what kids know and are able to do.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Grades should be the way we report a student's performance against the standards.
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
Playing around w/ learning maps to understanding progress over time. Let's talk about learning.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
https://t.co/qar74i5swR
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@TracyMailloux
@kenoc7
A handful. My Ss track progress and should be able to show Ps at any time were they are in their learning
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
#sblchat
A3 The purpose of grading is communication, to Ss, Ps other Ts and the consuming public. It is not to rank or separate.
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kenoc7
True. HS is a different world. You're right tho, K-8 can do!
#sblchat
Meffscience
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Grades are communication, not compensation
@rickwormeli2
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Grades quantify learning (which I hate), but it allows Ps to gauge where their Ss are at
#sblchat
https://t.co/uogeZpf1Qo
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3 Purpose gives direction to what we do. What for you is the primary purpose of grades?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@drangelapeery
@kenoc7
I like to see it as being ahead of the curve in this chat.
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3.5 Grades should show what a Ss knows at that moment in time
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@sandyrotto
@kenoc7
I view everything I do as formative until the end of year. I would prefer not to put in gbook until summative.
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Grades are meant to show knowledge and growth. I hate when Ss say "Is this graded?" I say, "Yes, but not for the gradebook."
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
Here it is...
#sblchat
https://t.co/OMEqYfRIgE
WesLVHS
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Honest communication about what kids know and are able to do.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
Have several that get 100% on math if given time, score 70% if timed. Which proves level of mastery better?
#sblchat
https://t.co/M7GEtTZc1s
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
So, here's a Q bugging me: Does SBL ignore extended time mandates from IEP/504 plans? Should time be limitless?
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: purpose of grading is communication, for Ss/Ts/Ps/Parents....the grade should inform on current status & be used for planning
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
With regard to Q2 I was hoping that there would be some mention of institutional principles - mission and vision statements.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@kenoc7
What research can we point to in this area?
@drangelapeery
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3: Most grading systems are hypotheses based on carrot and sticks. What’s the evidence the hypotheses are true?
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3 Purpose of grades: Compress & communicate lots of information symbolically. Demands subsequently abundant unpacking.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@MrLisekRPSA
Maybe we should help them change their language and say, "How will this be assessed?"
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
This is worthy of repeating...
#sblchat
https://t.co/FzbtIdXxAL
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
#sblchat
A3 The purpose of grading is communication, to Ss, Ps other Ts and the consuming public. It is not to rank or separate.
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Can't you use your observation & conversation data as evidence that can be used in place of missing work?
#sblchat
#assessPeel
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
That's my feeling too.Why r we directed 2 do this for so few?Time better spent giving specific fdbk 2 Ss.
#sblchat
fullerenglish
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3: to communicate to both T & S what a kid knows/has learned at varying points in the yr; to guide future instruction & learning
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
I love this article by
@joboaler
https://t.co/Uk6xbB34sp
Being fast is NOT the same as being smart
#sblchat
https://t.co/GtEj1jlhpA
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
Have several that get 100% on math if given time, score 70% if timed. Which proves level of mastery better?
#sblchat
https://t.co/M7GEtTZc1s
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
So, here's a Q bugging me: Does SBL ignore extended time mandates from IEP/504 plans? Should time be limitless?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
Yes, one-on-one time is vital with our Learners...
#sblchat
https://t.co/ZfRxKhnEF9
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Can't you use your observation & conversation data as evidence that can be used in place of missing work?
#sblchat
#assessPeel
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
RQ3 Purpose gives direction to what we do. What for you is the primary purpose of grades?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
@DRich0696
I just set up the rubric on that scale to begin with; our math dept. paved the way.
#sblchat
PrincipalLancer
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3: Grades should clearly communicate what learning has taken place. Must be easy to understand and evidence-based.
#sblchat
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@Perednia
@kenoc7
Not sure... Having worked with
@DouglasReeves
for years, I can't cite much about HS that has changed.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
I hear you, and I've seen the same. Should that time, however, be unlimited?
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
#sblchat
We often forget the stool has 3 legs, product, observation and conversation. Each important in assessment.
https://t.co/qXrUOlMFH6
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Can't you use your observation & conversation data as evidence that can be used in place of missing work?
#sblchat
#assessPeel
drangelapeery
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@Perednia
@kenoc7
I think it's the lack of notable HS in the research that worries me.
#sblchat
MrKlinge
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@MrGsPhysics
This could have included the ongoing
#sblchat
hashtag! Need a challenge? Follow that one on
@tweetdeck
not too! Great stuff!
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3: Feedback for improvement
#sblchat
annarden
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@kenoc7
I love the Ontario curriculum. Primary purpose of assessment & evaluation is to improve learning.
#sblchat
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3 Grades are communication only if they express what Ss know & can do. Proficiency criteria & standards must be transparent
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
I don't think time has to be limitless. Make it reasonable. If S shows they get it next week, why not change grade?
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3.75 Shows me what Ss knows and what I still need to reteach and where the Ss ready needs to go
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
If issue is P's want to see something, use symbols for FA’s & then only enter the small # of quality SA’s.
#sblchat
https://t.co/Mr5faYQhTY
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@sandyrotto
@kenoc7
I view everything I do as formative until the end of year. I would prefer not to put in gbook until summative.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
Wow!
#sblchat
https://t.co/lQIut5NUUM
PrincipalLancer
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3: Grades should clearly communicate what learning has taken place. Must be easy to understand and evidence-based.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@PrincipalLancer
Thank you Ryan.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:26 PM EDT
As much time as possible. Know we have finalize the asst. at some point, but shouldn't be end of learning.
#sblchat
https://t.co/pIHELj8nGs
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
I hear you, and I've seen the same. Should that time, however, be unlimited?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Student to Teacher and Teacher to Student...
#sblchat
https://t.co/yVOYBeOx1w
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3: Feedback for improvement
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
Thank you Ken!
#sblchat
https://t.co/YFPAlfjpKY
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
I don't think time has to be limitless. Make it reasonable. If S shows they get it next week, why not change grade?
#sblchat
MeganCMoMo
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
a3: The purpose of grades in my class is to communicate the learning of the course standards to students and parents.
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A3: My thoughts on the purpose of grades
https://t.co/eC98wczQZo
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
#sblchat
how about if grades communicate strengths and challenges, would that work?
https://t.co/bIUylVYfKL
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3 Grades are communication only if they express what Ss know & can do. Proficiency criteria & standards must be transparent
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@geradcarrier
Grade as initiator, rather than finish line? Like it! Also see vast need to adjust learner & communal expectations.
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@kenoc7
I'm w/you! We have 70+ ELA standards & must give ONE letter grade.Makes no sense.Ss continually learning/growing.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@Kristen_Clark
I did that in ELA reading/writing workshop; worked just fine.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
@kenmattingly
I tell my Admin that I accommodate ALL my Ss with extended time and additional help.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
Q4 How do your practices/beliefs related to fairness, motivation and professional judgment impact on grading?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
Q4 How do your practices/beliefs related to fairness, motivation and professional judgment impact on grading?
#sblchat
JillWaliczek
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
When grades reflect behavior not knowledge- problematic
#sblchat
lizziehammer
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@jbormann3
lurking on
#sblchat
...you were absolutely right...phone is not fast enough
jrob8728
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3: what drives us good grades or genuine learning? Products can be a far better gauges for true learning!
#sblchat
https://t.co/OlilSoNK2h
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3 Purpose gives direction to what we do. What for you is the primary purpose of grades?
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3. The primary purpose of grades is to report. It does not act as feedback.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4 - Since our Learners acquire understanding as different paces. we do all we can to accommodate them.
#REDOs
#ExtraPractice
#sblchat
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Yes! I'm always working on this-asking myself if Ss understand what proficient looks like. If not,I must show them
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
Exactly Jill,
#sblchat
https://t.co/qAQcJnNMJe
JillWaliczek
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
When grades reflect behavior not knowledge- problematic
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
oh, a pet peeve of mine! I calculated that about 30% of the grade is compliance!
#sblchat
https://t.co/FYHC2IF90y
JillWaliczek
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
When grades reflect behavior not knowledge- problematic
#sblchat
annarden
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
@sandyrotto
I don't enter FA's (eg quizzes) on my evidence record. I do record evidence from obs & conversations.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
Great statement!
#sblchat
https://t.co/V3CwBsdFxj
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3. The primary purpose of grades is to report. It does not act as feedback.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4 i allow unlimited and at any time retakes. Not all T's in building on board.
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A4: My grading is fair because Ss know where they are along the way and how to improve. No penalty for late learning = motivated Ss
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
Model, model, model
#sblchat
https://t.co/DeBHOoDgXV
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Yes! I'm always working on this-asking myself if Ss understand what proficient looks like. If not,I must show them
#sblchat
sthomaschefsky
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A4 I tell Ss what the target is they can chose how they show me they understand the target. Assessment can look different & should
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Because Tuesday when the test was taken was the magical day for knowing something.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
#STOPIT
#sblchat
#Humor
https://t.co/27KfHI0WuV
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
oh, a pet peeve of mine! I calculated that about 30% of the grade is compliance!
#sblchat
https://t.co/FYHC2IF90y
JillWaliczek
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
When grades reflect behavior not knowledge- problematic
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A4: “Fairness” need not be a mushy concept. See
https://t.co/RkhuMSa7HG
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@sandyrotto
@TTmomTT
@kenoc7
I agree. Also helps reinforce the message that learning & understanding take time. It's not a race!
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
I'm all for reasonable, may even be able to define via dialogue w/Ss, Ps, specialists. Blanket time & a half ≠ answer
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
Brett, use your influence...
#sblchat
https://t.co/URbBsTnE4h
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4 i allow unlimited and at any time retakes. Not all T's in building on board.
#sblchat
heather_edtech
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3: The process of assigning standards-based grades is also great self-reflection for Ts.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
Its why I hate high stakes test being main qualifier for GT programs.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
HUGE!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/zMILbencbf
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A4: My grading is fair because Ss know where they are along the way and how to improve. No penalty for late learning = motivated Ss
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4: Fair doesn't mean equal - meet Ss needs. Ss stay motivated if they can still reach the goal, give up if grade ends learning.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4: Professional judgment can play a role as long as there's a clear, objective basis for it.
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4: Modifying rubrics ensures differentiation where need. Meeting the Ss where they are and challenging from there is the key.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4. I do differentiate but rubrics try to incorporate that. Cannot grade on behavior.
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
Preach!
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Yikes - not sure which learning outcome is 'compliance' - maybe a clicker could help...
#sblchat
https://t.co/j9knn5Nfnd
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
oh, a pet peeve of mine! I calculated that about 30% of the grade is compliance!
#sblchat
https://t.co/FYHC2IF90y
JillWaliczek
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
When grades reflect behavior not knowledge- problematic
#sblchat
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Modeling & practice! Effective prep for self-assessment
#sblchat
https://t.co/aCzBcxew5S
sandyrotto
Apr 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Yes! I'm always working on this-asking myself if Ss understand what proficient looks like. If not,I must show them
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Pondering....
#sblchat
https://t.co/x115q1t9fW
heather_edtech
Apr 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3: The process of assigning standards-based grades is also great self-reflection for Ts.
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
Descriptive feedback leads to learning, not grades.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
RQ4 How do your practices/beliefs related to fairness, motivation and professional judgment impact on grading?
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Respectful push back on the ideas that grades “motivate” students. It’s feedback - not grades - that improves performance.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
#sblchat
(oops trying to do two chats at once. Hashtag confusion)
https://t.co/QC4TpVDDV3
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
We need to ditch GT programs and give ALL STUDENTS access to high quality rigorous instruction
#ci149
Elementarist
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
An interesting and important perspective on RTI from
@MathMinds
"RTI for Adults"
#elemmathchat
#sblchat
#gtchat
https://t.co/kNqeVzOfdT
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Late but Ian, principal in BCs super Sunny Shuswap - always Inspired midweek by
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A4: Use Ontario's "most recent, most consistent" as guide. 1 "bad" assessment doesn't reflect ALL learning
#sblchat
https://t.co/EeFxAjTqv6
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
Q4 How do your practices/beliefs related to fairness, motivation and professional judgment impact on grading?
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
Or when the grade is extra credit that has nothing to do with anything!
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
Also, Ss always ask: is this for a grade? I need a real soapbox to stand on because that revs me up.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
"Fair Isn't Always Equal" by
@rickwormeli2
#sblchat
https://t.co/iRKyg8ArlQ
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4: Fair doesn't mean equal - meet Ss needs. Ss stay motivated if they can still reach the goal, give up if grade ends learning.
#sblchat
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A4 Great reminders that our work is mostly about people, not things (grading practices).
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Dave, all human judgment is subjective. It is not subjective bad, objective good.
#sblchat
https://t.co/7NaajwMjYw
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4: Professional judgment can play a role as long as there's a clear, objective basis for it.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Hitting all my hot buttons. Extra Credit emphasizes that school is the game of collecting points.
#sblchat
https://t.co/Ypm2FKdK0U
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
Or when the grade is extra credit that has nothing to do with anything!
#sblchat
Kristen__Clarke
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Agree, grades are a reporting tool and not a super effective one at that.
#sblchat
#assessPeel
mctownsley
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
What does the research say about standards-based grading?
https://t.co/5dNe0Eylxk
#sblchat
@tombuckmiller
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
@Perednia
@kenoc7
My class will automatically respond to those Ss - this is for learning.
#loveit
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Dont have extra credit since I dont have extra learning. Only learning!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Vital FOR Learning...
#sblchat
https://t.co/qkKUzn0VX8
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Respectful push back on the ideas that grades “motivate” students. It’s feedback - not grades - that improves performance.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4 "fair" is providing the appropriate descriptive feedback in order to demonstrate learning/mastery!
#sblchat
PrincipalLancer
Apr 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4: Grades based upon professional judgment backed by evidence of learning beat grades based on collecting points any day.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@technolandy
Ian, pleased to have you stop in
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
@brianrozinsky
Yes! Am battling Ss waiting until end of quarter to do all work. Show what you have & we can build.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@technolandy
Glad you joined us Ian.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@mctownsley
The research that’s most convincing is on the value of accurate and timely feedback - and good SBL provides that.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Thanks for tagging
@rickwormeli2
I ran out of characters.
#twitterprobs
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Read your mind, Mandi!
#sblchat
https://t.co/jCt2hl3kbJ
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
Thanks for tagging
@rickwormeli2
I ran out of characters.
#twitterprobs
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Agree, maybe emotional/non-emotional are better descriptors.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@mctownsley
More on research - there’s a bunch of it in the books of
@kenoc
,
@tguskey
, and me.
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Q5 Regardless of the other P’s what we do in the classroom has to be Practical. Do you or how do you compensate for the compulsory?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Q5 Regardless of the other P’s what we do in the classroom has to be Practical. Do you or how do you compensate for the compulsory?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Teaching and Learning are HIGHLY emotional
#sblchat
https://t.co/XtEsgBdwon
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Agree, maybe emotional/non-emotional are better descriptors.
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@Brent_Matific
@alicekeeler
Agreed, but also see a value at extension, not always easy in the classroom.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Grading should not be.
#sblchat
https://t.co/4DOX2o3GVu
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Teaching and Learning are HIGHLY emotional
#sblchat
https://t.co/XtEsgBdwon
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Agree, maybe emotional/non-emotional are better descriptors.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@kenoc7
Love that your kids know this already! School has goal all Ss passing all classes so this has happened.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A5 - Our Learning and the communication of it continues even after the marking period closes for Learners to "catch up".
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT
Stunned by Dave!
#sblchat
https://t.co/guxcoFr0fZ
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Grading should not be.
#sblchat
https://t.co/4DOX2o3GVu
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Teaching and Learning are HIGHLY emotional
#sblchat
https://t.co/XtEsgBdwon
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Agree, maybe emotional/non-emotional are better descriptors.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
@mctownsley
INMHO, feedback makes all the difference when SB teaching, assessing & grading. Done well is done right.
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
I hope not stunned in a bad way...
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A5 Rationalize? Split semantic hairs? Apply bend-don't break-philosophy to both what's compulsory & myself. Neither must be rigid.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@DRich0696
More like amazed...
#GoodWay
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
What are the options for missing work when policy says no zeroes and no accountability measures for Ss?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@JillWaliczek
Thank you Jill.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A5: I keep talking about success in my classroom and mindset change of Ss. Other are becoming interested in the change.
#sblchat
briley8557
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
#sblchat
Time and ranking periods are irrelevant in learning. Ss keep working until they get it. I know sounds so idealistic but has to be.
heather_edtech
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4: Dan Pink's 3 aspects of motivation (autonomy, mastery, purpose) apply with Ss too.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
The best option for missing work is the menu system - show alternative evidence of proficiency.
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A5: My school wants grades to represent S understanding w/flexibility it how you do that. So not much compulsory to deal with.
#sblchat
MeganCMoMo
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4: I use my professional judgment every day. I also have evidence of learning to support the grade.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
We haunt them until the Learning happens...
#sblchat
https://t.co/EFd8hmfE6g
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
What are the options for missing work when policy says no zeroes and no accountability measures for Ss?
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
RQ5 Regardless of the other P’s what we do in the classroom has to be Practical. Do you or how do you compensate for the compulsory?
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
On “missing work” - we’re assuming that this work (typically homework) was essential to learning. Often it isnot.
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
Can i suggest ditching points? Then no zeros to give.
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Rosalie finished her 7th gr 20% Time project in 8th gr! Harmonized Learning: The Island by Rosalie Garzia
https://t.co/2qW0xqlgZr
#sblchat
dayankee
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Rosalie finished her 7th gr 20% Time project in 8th gr! Harmonized Learning: The Island by Rosalie Garzia
https://t.co/MC0Jn3MJqY
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
That's awesome. Do you have specific policies against compliance grades?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A5. I rewrote tests for retakes w/new text & questions that make sense to my Ss while still standards based.
#sblchat
DrewetteCard
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Need to learn more about PBE/
#sblchat
? Love
#EdCamp
? Join
@jonpratt
& me for
@MooseCampME
- a PBE-themed EdCamp
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TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@briley8557
sounds ideal to me!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Heavy statement...
#sblchat
https://t.co/psed3JeQaD
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A5: My school wants grades to represent S understanding w/flexibility it how you do that. So not much compulsory to deal with.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Is the work a task or assessment? Focusing on what S shows has been more valuable to me than distractions
#sblchat
https://t.co/lJLJDWAlBg
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
What are the options for missing work when policy says no zeroes and no accountability measures for Ss?
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A5: Grading is practical. Assessments aligned to targets. Ss get feedback on performance. Improve perf, improve grade. Simple.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Love this!!
#sblchat
https://t.co/ePuHrEz7PB
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT
We haunt them until the Learning happens...
#sblchat
https://t.co/EFd8hmfE6g
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT
What are the options for missing work when policy says no zeroes and no accountability measures for Ss?
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
Can you share more about policy that explicitly rules out accountability? (Concept sends me reeling, for now.)
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Isnt missing work Double Jeopardy? Ding on miss work and less test score? If score is proficient, than miss work worthless.
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5: give Ss chance to achieve mastery -
@markbarnes19
SE2R works well = compulsory meets practical
#sblchat
https://t.co/zr9P6QJcaq
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Q5 Regardless of the other P’s what we do in the classroom has to be Practical. Do you or how do you compensate for the compulsory?
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5: We always tie Q1 learning targets into Q2, 3, 4. Helps provide purpose and understanding of previous concepts.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
call it practice and Ss do it if needed. If it's a missing assessment, is there another way to assess?
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
Our school policy is 50% for missing work.
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
as the As we still have 2 have some element of systemic accountability...no? Lunch hour detention etc
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
For the most part Ontario does. See “Growing Success.”
#sblchat
https://t.co/ranNsqo5bh
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@kenmattingly
That's awesome. Do you have specific policies against compliance grades?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Great statement...
#sblchat
https://t.co/p4knNsqcnl
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
call it practice and Ss do it if needed. If it's a missing assessment, is there another way to assess?
#sblchat
RESP3CTtheGAME
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
@DerrickJCameron
This is where the combo of personalized learning &
#sblchat
makes the greatest impact.
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
@kenoc7
@TTmomTT
I always ask if they WANT me to grade their work when we've just started learning. That usually wakes them up.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
But, they need their play...
@DanielPink
#sblchat
https://t.co/7qyPap6JBr
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
as the As we still have 2 have some element of systemic accountability...no? Lunch hour detention etc
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Respectful push back that “accountability” means grading. There are other consequences that are more effective.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
Q6 Principals/school leaders can have a huge impact on grading. What has been their role in your school/district?
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
mctownsley
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
#sblchat
A6) If school leaders do not understand need to shift grading practices, its not likely any systematic changes will take place.
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@JChanter22
@alicekeeler
@Brent_Matific
Isnt this the problem with many "Out of the Box" thinkers? T's have to expand out of norms.
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
no specific policies. Just culture nurtured by our past couple of principals. That has been really helpful.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
@DouglasReeves
accountability for important. I worry when artificial deadlines/compliance tasks too emphasized
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A6: My principal was supportive when I said I wanted to do SBL. Hope the success will spread through the school.
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DouglasReeves
I'm talking grade 10-12 Ss
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
After school Extra Practice is better than lunch time practice, in my opinion...
#sblchat
https://t.co/vIGTZT2qMQ
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A6. Our principal has been leader in incompletes, passing all classes, growth mindset.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
More on accountability - if there’s a consensus in grading research on anything, it’s that grading as punishment doesn’t work.
#sblchat
mctownsley
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
#sblchat
A6) We have been fortunate to have principals
@MikeHerdliska
&
@Nathan_Wear
supportive of effective grading practices.
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
This is where flipping the classroom intregues me. Those small HW issues go away. Assess only learning
#sblchat
https://t.co/4NLuRaeftN
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
call it practice and Ss do it if needed. If it's a missing assessment, is there another way to assess?
#sblchat
jpeterson1427
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: School policies set limitations on Ts freedom to experiment with some sbg. How do Ts work with traditional grading policies?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
I'm also
#hsMath
grades 9-12...
#sblchat
https://t.co/AOh8yfHOv8
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DouglasReeves
I'm talking grade 10-12 Ss
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Hear, hear!
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: Support the efforts of teachers and lead them - sometimes from in front, beside, and behind - student learning has to be #1
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
All the P's were discussing coalesce for me around: How can I help instill in Ss accountability for their learning?
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
BAM! So agree! Many other sticks to use, rather use carrots though. Try to move from external to intrinsic.
#sblchat
https://t.co/Wwq9a0IJir
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
Many 8th graders want to come in at lunch. I want them to work during class & take a break instead.
#sblchat
https://t.co/ZcqiorJdb3
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: When school leaders support Ts, we r more likely 2 take risks & move away from trad. grading practices
#sblchat
https://t.co/mROUiu4ON9
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
Q6 Principals/school leaders can have a huge impact on grading. What has been their role in your school/district?
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
Speaking of play
https://t.co/eNnHE7U2wS
#sblchat
https://t.co/LTjVSHqUcL
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT
But, they need their play...
@DanielPink
#sblchat
https://t.co/7qyPap6JBr
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
as the As we still have 2 have some element of systemic accountability...no? Lunch hour detention etc
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
Can you say more?
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
I SO agree with this. I have a son that needs that time and sometimes has it taken away :-(
#sblchat
https://t.co/NBW0hVAU3P
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Just requested again today to have our admins visit classrooms more often...
#sblchat
#WeAreAllBusy
https://t.co/5qtehFztbq
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: Support the efforts of teachers and lead them - sometimes from in front, beside, and behind - student learning has to be #1
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
I hope you call up the school madder than a hornets nest.
#sblchat
NgMarlon
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
#sblchat
Agreed. What is the research on making students accountable? Have there been any studies in area?
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A6:
@JasonCoguer
let me try new things. Giving Ts freedom to experiment is best thing Ps can do. That and providing support.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@MrLisekRPSA
I also flip my classroom. Gives more time to work with Ss and their needs.
#sblchat
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A6: Our admin has supported those who crossover to SBL. We are working on a report card to reflect growth mindset.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Some of the best authentic learning (and assessment) can come through 'play'
@GSPlayDay
#sblchat
https://t.co/BS1yhh5rkO
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
Recess and play is not something that we should take away
#sblchat
geradcarrier
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A6: School leaders need to own any change process for it to get traction and take off.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@mctownsley
Exactly! Shifting or changing codes on grade reports does not guarantee sbl or assessment took place.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT
RQ6 Principals/school leaders can have a huge impact on grading. What has been their role in your school/district?
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@Perednia
Let’s focus on positive incentives - like freedom, choice, empowerment - far more effective than grading as punishment.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
@JChanter22
@alicekeeler
@Brent_Matific
And expansion can be fer uncomfortable
#sblchat
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT
Yes, we need feedback too!
#sblchat
https://t.co/r7j7Sd143M
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Just requested again today to have our admins visit classrooms more often...
#sblchat
#WeAreAllBusy
https://t.co/5qtehFztbq
DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: Support the efforts of teachers and lead them - sometimes from in front, beside, and behind - student learning has to be #1
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DouglasReeves
Even adults need breaks and play.
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@alicekeeler
I have, not much changes. My son asked me the other day to loan his T my
#tlap
book. He thought it would help. :-)
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
Whew...
#sblchat
https://t.co/zEzKDIhjtA
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DouglasReeves
Even adults need breaks and play.
#sblchat
BradLatzke
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A6 Here is a graphic on what school leaders role should be.
#sblchat
https://t.co/o7YGeJem1T
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@NgMarlon
Look at the research on motivation. Daniel Pink’s “Drive” esp. section aimed at T’s & P’s
#sblchat
https://t.co/nW6ZSK0Pcn
NgMarlon
Apr 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
#sblchat
Agreed. What is the research on making students accountable? Have there been any studies in area?
ajgadd
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@kenoc7
lead in providing support to parents in understanding, to teachers in learning and PD, & students in embracing learning
#sblchat
alicekeeler
Apr 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
I swear I would be living down at the school screaming. I have told the school taking recess away is NOT an option
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@briley8557
I require Ss to attain a minimum level of competency on each target. No one gets to take their zero and go on.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
Those also can build intrinsic motivation!
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT
Well said!
#sblchat
https://t.co/LC61CAHfRM
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A6: When school leaders support Ts, we r more likely 2 take risks & move away from trad. grading practices
#sblchat
https://t.co/mROUiu4ON9
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT
Q6 Principals/school leaders can have a huge impact on grading. What has been their role in your school/district?
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
My challenge is,what do I do with Ss that are missing essential work from Feb/Mar?I give choice Ss choose not 2 do work or hand in
#sblchat
mgrosstaylor
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
Mark your calendars as I host
@AMLE
Webinar May 4.Register
https://t.co/YC8FJ7Nzh0
#nebedchat
#ptchat
#sblchat
#tlap
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DRich0696
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
This>>>
#sblchat
https://t.co/poEgjnMJnM
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@briley8557
I require Ss to attain a minimum level of competency on each target. No one gets to take their zero and go on.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@alicekeeler
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DerrickJCameron
I have a couple kids I give 'inside' choice to, but play remains focus
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
Let's find a way of bring all the wisdom in tonight's
#sblchat
to our classrooms tomorrow!
#Please
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
What’s the evidence that the February work is “essential”? What matters is what S’s know now.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Q7 The grading Procedures are what teachers do. To what extent are your procedures aligned with your principles & purpose?
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
I make the same request! I want them to see my awesome Ss owning their learning.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
If it is chronic in your school look at the PowerofICU.
#sblchat
https://t.co/hx6BPqbtSx
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
My challenge is,what do I do with Ss that are missing essential work from Feb/Mar?I give choice Ss choose not 2 do work or hand in
#sblchat
NgMarlon
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
#sblchat
Would be curious to hear how others might tackle this. There is always a tradeoff somewhere.
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
That's where we are with the incompletes.
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
When they finally come in, they are stunned by the engagement of our Learners.
#sblchat
https://t.co/uEdjUzpnd7
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@RoweRikW
I make the same request! I want them to see my awesome Ss owning their learning.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Um, I'm going to need more time beyond tomorrow :)
#sblchat
https://t.co/7rpmFDkdHj
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
Let's find a way of bring all the wisdom in tonight's
#sblchat
to our classrooms tomorrow!
#Please
ajgadd
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
@AmitMehrotra78
agreed. I'm at my best when supported by others. Stay focused on learning and support should be there!
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT
Me too, Brian...
#sblchat
https://t.co/hDHCKr5yeC
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Um, I'm going to need more time beyond tomorrow :)
#sblchat
https://t.co/7rpmFDkdHj
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT
Let's find a way of bring all the wisdom in tonight's
#sblchat
to our classrooms tomorrow!
#Please
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT
The premise of “incomplete” is that the missing work was related to proficiency. That’s a hypothesis to be tested - not a fact.
#sblchat
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@TracyMailloux
@DerrickJCameron
@RoweRikW
@DanielPink
@DouglasReeves
Also bathroom breaks.
#sblchat
ajgadd
Apr 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
students need to show that they have met learning outcomes. Might be by doing something different. NO "exemptions"
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT
SOOO love this thought!! Prove to me you know the stuff and move past the work.
#sblchat
https://t.co/d4y9Z7LF2O
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT
The premise of “incomplete” is that the missing work was related to proficiency. That’s a hypothesis to be tested - not a fact.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT
This is insane: There are students who will receive D’s and F’s in an AP class when they are scoring 4’s and 5’s on the test.
#sblchat
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT
A7: Ont.'s triangulation of evidence = multiple ways to dem. learning - learning = than just products
#sblchat
https://t.co/NLeYfhMiHU
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Q7 The grading Procedures are what teachers do. To what extent are your procedures aligned with your principles & purpose?
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
RQ7 The grading Procedures are what teachers do. To what extent are your procedures aligned with your principles & purpose?
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
Ouch!
#STOPIT
#sblchat
https://t.co/hwJcl47TNU
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT
This is insane: There are students who will receive D’s and F’s in an AP class when they are scoring 4’s and 5’s on the test.
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
A7 This is heart of the matter. Far too often I see conflict between Mission/Vision statements & procedures.
#sblchat
https://t.co/ucgdLdas4R
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Q7 The grading Procedures are what teachers do. To what extent are your procedures aligned with your principles & purpose?
#sblchat
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
Also hate that 3 sport athletes that move from an A to a B becuase they didnt dress out three days in two months
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
A7: To test application of principles in grading, ask “What 5 of grades from the computerized system were over-ridden by T?
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
...and the opposite is probably true, too.
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@ajgadd
I agree...students have not demonstrated learning from earlier outcomes and no accountability...how 2 respond?
#sblchat
ajgadd
Apr 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
because they are not handing in assignments or not doing well on tests in class?
#sblchat
NgMarlon
Apr 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@kenoc7
This makes sense and it really is the biggest shift towards
#sblchat
kenmattingly
Apr 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A7: Ss get regular feedback. Tests returned w/in 3 days & Ss begin action plans. Procedures/purpose/principles hand in hand
#sblchat
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
I hope you enjoyed the 7 P's of Grading -Policy, Principles, Purpose, Practices, Practicality, Principals & Procedures.
#sblchat
brianrozinsky
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@NgMarlon
@DerrickJCameron
Possible for no evidence of learning to merit failing grade (if grades are required). Not zero, but 69%?
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@ajgadd
Precisely - high-performing (and low-grading) students are “missing work” that didn’t matter.
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
Kindly remember to follow those with whom you connected tonight.
#sblchat
NgMarlon
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@ajgadd
@DouglasReeves
Agreed.
#sblchat
I really wonder how colleges can sort these kids out.
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
A7: I've made a solid effort to make the summative grade reflective of learning and Ss mindset change to focus on learning.
#sblchat
DerrickJCameron
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
learning outcomes from earlier units...no evidence = difficult to comment on S understanding or knowledge
#sblchat
RoweRikW
Apr 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT
Like this to thank
@kenoc7
for being such an amazing Guest Moderator in
#sblchat
tonight!!
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
Thanks to
@RoweRikW
for keeping me on track (and on time) and to everyone participating in a lively chat.
#sblchat
TracyMailloux
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@ajgadd
@DouglasReeves
Does it matter? If they can score a 4 or 5, then their learning needs were not met in class.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
Thanks to
@kenoc7
and colleagues for another great chat!
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
AmitMehrotra78
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
TY to
@RoweRikW
and
@kenoc7
for helping lead the
#sblchat
tonight. Gr8 to chat w/ like-minded people.
hoffmanteambret
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
The ultimate in professional embarrassment. Fail a future astrophysicist or olympic athlete or cut Jordan.
#sblchat
https://t.co/WBGK3Cr1LT
kenoc7
Apr 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Years ago a Canadian Olympic speed skater said she failed HS PE because of attendance!!!
#sblcha
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
A7: We can't move away from our goals for our Ss. Grading w/o the purpose of assessing S growth is illogical.
#sblchat
technolandy
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
how does the complete/incomplete work match up w the learning objectives? Focus on the LOs over the tasks
#sblchat
TTmomTT
Apr 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@DouglasReeves
I've changed the scores in our grading system to reflect new knowledge so often that the program quit working.
#sblchat
ajgadd
Apr 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT
@DerrickJCameron
we have "incomplete reports". Ss get them when in this place. The tasks allow Ss to show missed learning.Not fail.
#sblchat
DouglasReeves
Apr 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT
@TTmomTT
What a terrific model for all of us to follow!
#sblchat
https://t.co/9td2zVw02X
Perednia
Apr 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT
@kenoc7
Very much. Big TYs to you,
@RoweRikW
&
#sblchat
PLN.
MrLisekRPSA
Apr 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT
Thanks
@kenoc
for the great
#sblchat
tonight. Really had me thinking about my current grading practice. Changes abound starting tomorrow.