#formativechat Archive

Discuss the implementation, impact of Formative and formative assessment.

Monday October 22, 2018
7:30 PM EDT

  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Thank you for joining me for #formativechat tonight! I'm honored to moderate tonight's discussion! TOPIC: "Emphasizing Improvement over Grades!" Please introduce yourself to the group & tell us where you're from!
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    #formativechat starts NOW!
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Hello everyone. Ready to get this party started #formativechat
  • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Intro – Dean V High School Math Teacher, lead learner, #growthmindset explorer, and proud @goformative certified education #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:30 PM EDT
      Thank you for joining me for #formativechat tonight! I'm honored to moderate tonight's discussion! TOPIC: "Emphasizing Improvement over Grades!" Please introduce yourself to the group & tell us where you're from!
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Hello everyone, excited to have @PaulSolarz join tonight! after a great #FormativeSummit session today! I'm at #iNACOL18 awesome learning! #formativechat
  • franziski123 Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Andrew from Buffalo, NY SPED Teacher. #formativechat
  • Blended_Math Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Hi there, Ray K-8 Math Instructional Coach from Rhode Island. #formativechat Catch up on the Instant Relevance Podcast with @MathDenisNJ and @Blended_Math. This week the hosts discuss The Opportunity Myth from @TNTP https://t.co/45ePaLxJSn
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Hey #formativechat! David from @goformative here :) I am excited that we are having @PaulSolarz hosting tonight! His #FormativeSummit session was dynamite!
  • DMooreSpanish Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    hello #formativechat Melissa, 7th Grade Science T from NY here.
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Hello Rachelle #formativechat
    In reply to @Rdene915, @PaulSolarz
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Hello everyone. Mariana Garcia Serrato. MS STEM from San Jose, CA #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Hey Tim! Great to see you here :) #formativechat
    In reply to @timlriley
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Yay! We are so glad that you are joining us, Cynthia! #formativechat
    In reply to @Cynthia_M_Kirk
  • Willmdunn Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Talk to me about #formativechat. All about formative assessment?
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Nathan, friend of @PaulSolarz and CEO, President, and head cheerleader for the #Rachellefanclub @Rdene915 #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Hi Dean, enjoyed your #FormativeSummit session! #formativechat
    In reply to @vendi55, @goformative
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Lisa Scumpieru, Digital Integration Specialist from Hagerstown, Md. #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Hi all! Sean Olson HS math teacher from southern NJ checking in. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Woohoo! Right on! Let the fun begin! #formativechat
    In reply to @timlriley
  • Cynthia_M_Kirk Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Good evening from Indiana. Cynthia Kirk, k-8 instructional coach eager for this conversation. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Welcome Andrew! #formativechat
    In reply to @franziski123
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Alexa Van Beek, future K-12 Spanish teacher from Trinity Christian College in Palos Heights, IL #formativechat #aedu209 #troll209
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Hey Danielle! #formativechat
    In reply to @DMooreSpanish
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • spqrmiguel Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Miguel from Texas. ES principal. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    And another great #formativesummit session by Melissa! #formativechat
    In reply to @MrsAsztalos
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Hi Mariana, thanks for being here #formativechat
    In reply to @MarianaGSerrato
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Different focus areas around formative assessment, welcome to #formativechat :)
    In reply to @Willmdunn
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Welcome, Danielle :) Long time no see! #formativechat
    In reply to @DMooreSpanish
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Welcome Miguel! #formativechat
    In reply to @spqrmiguel
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    And then some... Strategies, tools and everything inbetween. It's a great way to start your week. #formativechat
    In reply to @Willmdunn
  • MrSpicerTweets Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Jesse Spicer, 5th-grade teacher from Saline, MI excited for tonight’s #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Hi Alexa! #formativechat
    In reply to @alexavanbeek
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Good to have you join us! #formativechat
    In reply to @Cynthia_M_Kirk
  • TarniaCovooper Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Hi everyone! I'm Tonya from Richmond, VA (a.k.a. RVA). Loving #FormativeSummit so far. Spanish teacher and New formative user! #formativechat
  • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A1: I feel effort can be assessed with student conferences, have S talk about their work, progress, thinking #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Welcome Lisa :) #formativechat
    In reply to @LScumpieru
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Hey Sean! #formativechat
    In reply to @MrSeanOlson
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A1 use what interests them. Hooks are just as important as content. #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A1: Give a goal and then a reward. My daughter’s 2nd grade T is doing it right: S choices: Bring a pillow and sit on the floor day, OR piece of gum and chew it for 1/2 hour OR sit at the teacher’s desk. Ss are motivated and get choice for their reward. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Hey Melissa, welcome! So happy to see our #FormativeSummit speakers here! #formativechat
    In reply to @MrsAsztalos
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1. That’s a tough one because hard work is expected, isn’t it? #formativechat
  • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1-Building relationship with each S I feel is the best way. Giving feedback that is effective and timely and observing how Ss approach their learning can help us assess effort. Also providing a voice and choice in their learning can reflect effort levels. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Hi Nathan :) Always good to see you! #formativechat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @PaulSolarz
  • scalwall Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1: With specific feedback I feel effort can be taught and improved #formativechat
  • ToriJustin713 Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Hey everyone! Tori, 5th grade teacher from IN. Excited for this chat tonight. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Join us! #formativechat
    In reply to @Willmdunn
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Hi Tonya! I teach Spanish too, @goformative is a great tool for language teachers, welcome! #formativechat
    In reply to @TarniaCovooper, @goformative
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1 - For me, getting my students to try their best is my main goal when motivating them and building strong relationships. I tell them that I don't mind mistakes & confusion, but I need lots of focus, risk-taking & effort. Relationships help me do this! #formativechat
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1:We can help improve effort by providing multiple ways to engage with the content and giving feedback on the process. #formativechat
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1: Need a classroom culture that nurtures growth. It isn't where the Ss are now that counts, but where they're going. Set a class goal that motivates all and encourage Ss to help each other reach it #formativechat #aedu209 #troll209
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A1 effort can be tracked through project logs. Have them track what they do and have a culminating writeup at the end #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Hi Jesse! We are too, great to have @PaulSolarz #formativechat
    In reply to @MrSpicerTweets, @PaulSolarz
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Hi Rachelle #formativechat
    In reply to @Rdene915, @PaulSolarz
  • DMooreSpanish Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1 When Ss are interested and they have choices their effort increases. #formativechat
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1: Ss can improve their effort by knowing that they have a cheering team for them in the classroom. All Ss may not have that team for them at home, but if they see others are rooting for them, I think it adds motivation for them. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Q1 is now up in #formativechat and by golly it's a good one! #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Welcome Tori! Glad you are joining #formativechat
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Hi Tori #formativechat
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1: For learners of any age, there must be a reason behind the academic exercise. If Ts can’t articulate the WHY behind an activity, then Ss will not engage or display effort. The product is what can be assessed. The quality reflects the effort. #formativechat
  • MrSpicerTweets Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1: I have my students self-assess daily their effort. We talk about giving our all and knowing that when we give our all we are TIRED. We talk about how many more minutes out of 100 minutes they could give. That helps them to see how much they gave. #formativechat
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    John Kline from WeVideo for Schools. Joining from California. #formativechat
  • franziski123 Oct 22 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1 I'm a broken record here, but this is my coaching experience coming into my classroom. When students like the teacher, they will give effort. Effort can be formally taught, developed, and assessed through modeling and one on one conferences. #formativechat
  • mrshowell24 Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    A1- We need to first building relationships with students. Students can enter data by self monitoring their effort into a google form. #formativechat
  • gilmour_mike Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    A1: modelling effort for our students is the best way to encourage it. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Thank you so much for moderating our discussion tonight, Paul! We really appreciate it! #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Blended_Math Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    #formativechat -A1 effort looks different to each student. If you’re looking to improve effort, you can’t just expect kids to be motivated just because you say so. You have to find what motivates them and use that as a starting point for learning #makeitreal
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    relationships are so important! #formativechat
    In reply to @mrshowell24
  • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    A1: Before a student turns in an assignment, I always ask if it’s their very best work. More often than not, they tell me that they could probably do better. If there’s time left, I send them back. If not, it’s a reflection question about what they’d do differently #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    A1: We first have to build intrinsic motivation before we improve their effort. Giving Ss ownership in setting learning goals makes them assess THEIR effort towards achieving THEIR goals. Allow them to create the rubric for evaluation! #formativechat
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Yes, relationships are key to getting students to understand that you care for them and their learning. I love when I don’t teach all content, but I get to find out something about Ss and connect with them. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
      A1 - For me, getting my students to try their best is my main goal when motivating them and building strong relationships. I tell them that I don't mind mistakes & confusion, but I need lots of focus, risk-taking & effort. Relationships help me do this! #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Hi John, thanks for joining! #formativechat
    In reply to @EDUcre8ive
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Hi John #formativechat
    In reply to @EDUcre8ive
  • gilmour_mike Oct 22 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Hi everyone, Mike from Singapore jumping in for a few minutes #formativechat
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Tribe, team, class, squad - no matter what you call it, I believe Ss find more meaning and motivation when they work together. #aedu209 #troll209 #formativechat
    In reply to @LScumpieru
  • spqrmiguel Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1: The best way to measure effort is for teachers to build relationships. When a teacher knows their students from the heart and can understand them, students will try harder and easier to measure effort. #formativechat
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1: I think effort can be assessed, but it needs to be on an individual basis. I have seen Ss who take risks, show growth, and retain more through effort. The grade should reflect that in some way. #formativechat
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1 Effort increases when Ss feel that the work has value, is worth it, and is maybe fun or enjoyable to do. I think effort can be assessed through self-reflection and feedback. I don't think a numeric grade should ever be attached to effort. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Self-assess is a great way to help Ss develop their skills, be self-aware and set goals #formativechat
    In reply to @MrSpicerTweets
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1: effort is in word those things...if you’re doing something interesting and fun you don’t even notice how much effort you are giving. #formativechat
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Agreed, when students are engaged, they can naturally put forth effort! #formativechat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @PaulSolarz
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Sharing the WHY and knowing the why are so important #formativechat
    In reply to @dbuckedu
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1 cont: As for assessment of effort, I think that is an area that should be self-assessed. Students can reflect on how much effort they put into a piece, but that should not be graded IMO #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    love the cheering team idea! #formativechat
    In reply to @LScumpieru
  • ToriJustin713 Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A. 1 couldn't have said this better! I also use Google docs to give real time feedback in our writer's workshop when I haven't been able to conference with all of them. #formativechat
    • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
      A1-Building relationship with each S I feel is the best way. Giving feedback that is effective and timely and observing how Ss approach their learning can help us assess effort. Also providing a voice and choice in their learning can reflect effort levels. #formativechat
      • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
        QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A1 be excited and interested in what you are doing. Excitement is contagious. Students will pick up on it and spread it to others #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Becky from VA—I teach K-5 science #formativechat
  • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1: I also think it’s critical to teach and model self assessment skills. Kids are pretty honest in assessing their effort when they know there’s not judgement attached. #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • gilmour_mike Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Absolutely, students will generally display effort in a task they are actively engaged in #formativechat
    In reply to @DMooreSpanish
  • Dsoares_MiddHS Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Dennis here, Ast Principal from RI checking in #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1 doughnuts #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Must be mindful that Ss May possesses varying definitions of “effort.” What may look like unengaged behavior may just be a different way of showing effort. Better to clarify what we expect when it involves “effort.” #formativechat
  • TarniaCovooper Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1: Maintaining positivity toward the kid and celebrating even the smallest efforts makes a big difference. I also try and determine if the child is struggling or being a lil lazy. My approach is different depending on the situation. #formativechat
  • NowakRo Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1 To help students improve effort we need to use lore meaningful tasks. We need learning to have purpose and be authentic. Let us not use time fillers or worksheets. Let us make an impact and make a difference. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Agreed! S time is valuable to them, so don't waste it with tasks that have no real purpose for learning. #formativechat
    In reply to @dbuckedu
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1 seeing a trend in responses, students have choices, are supported, classroom culture nurtures growth, feedback that is meaningful and timely #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Totally agree that effort looks and feels different to each person. Allowing them to self-assess helps us understand what they think is maximum effort. We can then use this as a benchmark to build off of. #formativechat
    In reply to @Blended_Math
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    Welcome Dennis! #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    A1 bubble sheets. #trollin #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Willmdunn Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    A1) I’m not sold on the idea of assessing effort. Each person’s scale would have to be personal, and we can’t know what an individual’s standard is there. I can evaluate competency of a math standard, and ask increasingly complex and refined questions as needed. #formativechat
  • Dsoares_MiddHS Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    A1: I’m not sure about assessing effort, but it definitely should be applauded or even rewarded depending on the situation or the student #formativechat
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    Yes, and if the T models that reflection and assessment in their own work, Ss will see it’s a natural act and not something that is done after the fact. It’s cyclical and never-ending. #formativechat
    • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      A1: I also think it’s critical to teach and model self assessment skills. Kids are pretty honest in assessing their effort when they know there’s not judgement attached. #formativechat
      In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    Yes — and Ss are VERY perceptive. We insult them when we assign busywork. They know the difference! #formativechat
    • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Agreed! S time is valuable to them, so don't waste it with tasks that have no real purpose for learning. #formativechat
      In reply to @dbuckedu
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Definitely need that meaningful focus, #formativechat
    In reply to @NowakRo
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Relationship building is key to supporting students in the process of putting forth effort.#formativechat
    • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:35 PM EDT
      A1-Building relationship with each S I feel is the best way. Giving feedback that is effective and timely and observing how Ss approach their learning can help us assess effort. Also providing a voice and choice in their learning can reflect effort levels. #formativechat
      • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
        QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Question 2 is coming up! #formativechat
  • ToriJustin713 Oct 22 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Yessss!! 🤩🤩🤩 #formativechat
    • NowakRo Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      A1 To help students improve effort we need to use lore meaningful tasks. We need learning to have purpose and be authentic. Let us not use time fillers or worksheets. Let us make an impact and make a difference. #formativechat
      • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
        QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Exactly. The students can tell you where they are on the "effort scale", but an observer may disagree. You can model the self-talk about it, but it is up to them #formativechat
    In reply to @Willmdunn
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Exactly — let them apply their effort according to their learning strengths. Help them find what those strengths are and we then have engaged learners. 😀#formativechat
    • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
      I love listening to what they feel is “effort” and helping them extend their thinking and push themselves no matter what effort looks like to them
      In reply to @dbuckedu
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Yes! Effective feedback empowers students to further their learning and apply that experience in the future. #formativechat
    In reply to @scalwall
  • gilmour_mike Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Relationships and rapport is critical! #formativechat
    In reply to @mrshowell24
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A2 I find that electroshock therapy works great for motivation #trollin @PaulSolarz #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    And as we learned on day 1 of #FormativeSummit, we need to provide meaningful, timely feedback to keep motivation, engagement, and effort up. #formativechat
    In reply to @Rdene915, @NowakRo
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A2: I always started class with this message. Ss would talk about it and apply it to sports and their outside lives first. Then I would ask them how this worked in the classroom. This started our year with them knowing that a lot of practice would occur. #formativechat
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A1: it’s in the DNA - effort is spent only when the benefit is understood. Has been key to our survival for many millennia. Learning is like a mini-economy. The currency can be many different things. But there is always an exchange #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    RT Question 2 is up now in #formativechat still plenty of time to join in, #4OCFPLN #tlap #learnlap
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • Cynthia_M_Kirk Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A1 conversations can go along way with both motivation and assessment. Acknowledging our effort fluctuates and examining why and what we can do about improving it can be relevant. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Q2 is now up in our weekly #formativechat and @PaulSolarz is guest hosting !
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • scalwall Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Q2 Encourage risk taking for Ts and Ss. #formativechat
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Effort can be difficult to self-assess. Some Ss feel they've made a huge effort if they've written a sentence. I agree that it's important that they self-assess, bit how do we teach them what "effort" looks like? #formativechat
    In reply to @MarianaGSerrato
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A2: We can educate stakeholders by being transparent. This is where were going, this is why and this is what it takes to get there. Detours and messiness are part of the process. #formativechat
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Thank you #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Definitely, and my Ss enjoy it and even creating with it #formativechat
    In reply to @TarniaCovooper, @goformative
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A2 stop using the word fail and fail forward. Use phrase that support the process of learning like choices and opportunities #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A2: I always share my journey with them. Past endeavors and the struggles I had along the way as well as something I am currently focusing on and what I am doing to get there. Always an ongoing “check in” and Ss will ask how my journey is going and Vice versa! #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    #formativechat
  • gilmour_mike Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    Without them very little learning takes place #formativechat
    In reply to @Rdene915, @mrshowell24
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    I definitely try to make time for even quick conversations, makes a big difference #formativechat
    In reply to @Cynthia_M_Kirk
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A2: Model this behavior. When Ts are willing to face the uncomfortable and failure, Ss can too. Share where you're at in the process and exhibit a never-give-up attitude that they can't help but want to follow. #formativechat #aedu209 #troll209
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    #formativechat
    • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:40 PM EDT
      Hello! Jen Manly from Maryland. Joining from 30,000 feet tonight!
      In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • MrChandlerBMS Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A2: Students need to feel comfortable failing and that starts with the Teacher connecting and building the relationship is the classroom to create a safe environment. For the stakeholders, they need to buy in to the process through campus initiatives #formativechat
  • DMooreSpanish Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A2 Ensure Ss that failures will payoff. Give lots of feedback in the moment so they can act on it. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    And I hate busywork, I am bored if I give it! #formativechat
    In reply to @dbuckedu
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A1: effort cannotbe assesses by a grade. It can, however, be given feedback on how to improve. We don’t grade on effort for pratices in sports then why do we for education? #formativechat
  • NowakRo Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A2 We need to model learning ourselves. Students and teachers need to see us learning, struggling and overcoming challenges. If we say we are lifelong learners, let us be transparent about it. Education is a community effort. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A2: Don’t use feedback simply for error identification or deficiency marking. Use feedback to celebrate the failures and reinvest them to better inform the learning process. If you’re not failing, you’re not learning. Allow resubmissions and redos. #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A2 life is uncomfortable situations. True growth come from delving into the unknown. #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Reward the effort is important, encourage and help Ss to keep going #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS
  • sreason329 Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Part of this is showing them that we believe in their highest capability- Showing them we're there every step can help THEM see that the effort is worth it! #Formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    We love the idea of assessing effort thru self-assessment. Students are the ones that are ultimately in control of the effort they put forth so it makes sense for them to be able to assess, celebrate, and own their progress. #formativechat
    • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:38 PM EDT
      A1 Effort increases when Ss feel that the work has value, is worth it, and is maybe fun or enjoyable to do. I think effort can be assessed through self-reflection and feedback. I don't think a numeric grade should ever be attached to effort. #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A2 tater tots #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    RT SO true, engagement looks different, cannot just make a quick call on this one #formativechat
    • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Must be mindful that Ss May possesses varying definitions of “effort.” What may look like unengaged behavior may just be a different way of showing effort. Better to clarify what we expect when it involves “effort.” #formativechat
  • Blended_Math Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    #formativechat - A2: Back it up with brain science. Check out The End Of Average keynote with Todd Rose https://t.co/Sq1A8aRo6S
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • spqrmiguel Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A1: We have to use failures as learning lessons. In school it translates into data that can used to better teach our students through targeted interventions. Students need to be encouraged to be risk takers and think outside the box. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    Welcome Becky! #formativechat
    In reply to @schnekser
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2 I spend the first 2 weeks focused on learning and growth mindset. I talk about it at our open house with Ps and I set up my classroom so that the focus is on the work and effort, not a "grade" We also reflect often about our progress. #formativechat
  • ToriJustin713 Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    As a teacher I want my Ss to know that it's okay and a good thing to be challenged and out of their comfort zone. It's okay to not know something and struggle with a skill as long as they are putting forth their best effort. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    And this is how we appreciate the learner in the process. Because the Ss are definitely worth it, right Kris?! 😀#formativechat
    • KrisGiere Oct 22 @ 7:43 PM EDT
      A great reminder! Learning how and to what people apply their energies (aka efforts) has always been a worthwhile endeavor for me. It helps me better understand how to communicate w/ them & engage them in meaningful ways. 😀
      In reply to @dbuckedu
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2: Growth Mindset educated my Ss to the idea of what we were doing in the classroom. https://t.co/ZekFSG1wHv #formativechat
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A1 - have to be very careful talking about effort or assessing it as kids might think of effort as “work” and something tedious and drudgy. not helpful. If edit is extracted or forced out of somebody - that runs counter to student agency and deeper learning #formativechat
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    I'm not sure that effort itself should be graded. But hopefully they'll see that with effort their work will improve and therefore their grade will too (or more importantly, their learning) #formativechat
    In reply to @LScumpieru
  • franziski123 Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2 It sounds like our chat is invoking Carol Dweck. Yea, learning ia hard with many bumps in the road. That is why we need to make quality individuals and academics will follow. #formativechat
  • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2: I feel very strongly that grades should be fluid (at least within a MP). If a student shows mastery, they should earn the points, even if it’s past “due date.” When we don’t allow redos, we send the msg that learning is only important if done at the right time. #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • mrshowell24 Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    A2- Talk about growth mindset and make it an ongoing conversation. #formativechat
  • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    A2 – Providing #formativeassessment opps and embracing the journey as Ts. To understand what it means to have a #growthmindset, be consistent, continue to meet curriculum outcomes, to celebrate attempts in learning, and being transparent help educate stakeholders. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    A2: Student-led conferencing is a great way to bring different stakeholders together and improve lines of communication: S-T , S-P , P-T #formativechat
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    Hey Dennis :) #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS, @goformative, @PaulSolarz
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    Exactly—then you have to assess the boring stuff you receive! 😉#formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    A2: In my current placement, learning, struggling, and being uncomfortable in the classroom is nothing compared to what Ss face in life. What they don't usually have is someone to support them, care for them, and celebrate with them when they overcome challenge. #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    A2 have students create video about their learning to share with those stakeholders #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    Yes Growth Mindset! Those of you who have seen my #formativesummit session know how much I love it!!! #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    Shout-out to @DeaverDean on his epic #FormativeSummit session about student-led conferencing! #formativechat
    In reply to @DeaverDean
  • sreason329 Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    A2: This year, I switched to Standards Based Grading- this has made learning about continual growth. Retakes have been necessary- and success is praised! Flowers don't all grow at the same pace- neither do children. #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    This is a great strategy! Thank you. #formativechat
    • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:45 PM EDT
      You can model the self-talk. In order to do this I did that, I invested time, I went out of what I normally do, I engaged in conversations with people that could help, etc... #formative chat
      In reply to @carlameyrink
  • D4Griffin3 Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    A2) Share how you are a learner and discuss what is required for success to take place. #formativechat
  • TarniaCovooper Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    A2: Normalizing mistakes on a daily basis makes a big difference. I also point out when I make a mistake and that we are all human. This might be a natural discussion in all world language classrooms since language errors happen daily even among native speakers. #formativechat
  • teacherknikki Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    Explaining this oftentimes helps students evaluate where they are in the learning process. #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    Better yet have students create videos about their learning while holding @PaulSolarz’s book #formativechat
    • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:47 PM EDT
      A2 have students create video about their learning to share with those stakeholders #formativechat
      In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • _SMasters Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    #formativechat evening all! Little late, but happy to be here. Simon, Sci T from NE OH
  • MrSpicerTweets Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    A2: We spend a lot of time throughout the year on building our "foundation" for learning. It is important to have a firm foundation before moving on to harder/deeper skills. S's and P's are aware of the heavy lifting we will doing. We dig deep into our weaknesses #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    Hi Kristen from Joliet, IL ... stopping in for a few before teaching night class at the local college #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    Agreed, it's important to go beyond the grades, the numbers...talk about the skills that students are learning and how they are becoming more independent learners! #formativechat
    In reply to @VanessaVgroneck, @PaulSolarz
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    For an idea of varying versions of engagement, observe the next teachers meeting. Just look around! 😉#formativechat
    • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:46 PM EDT
      RT SO true, engagement looks different, cannot just make a quick call on this one #formativechat
      • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:39 PM EDT
        Must be mindful that Ss May possesses varying definitions of “effort.” What may look like unengaged behavior may just be a different way of showing effort. Better to clarify what we expect when it involves “effort.” #formativechat
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    Ahhh the glacier view... love this analogy; I share it with my students #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    A2 most of the time getting into the uncomfortable is the best way to get students to empathize with what they are creating #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • KRScienceLady Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    https://t.co/7QlKx9Ge11 #FormativeChat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    We are glad you did! Welcome Kristen! #formativechat
    In reply to @Mrs_Koppers
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Be sure to add to PLN tonight in #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Hello Simon! #formativechat
    In reply to @_SMasters
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Especially if it’s practice. I don’t grade formatives for a grade but grade them for feedback to Ss #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS
  • _SMasters Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    #formativechat A1I generally go with student agency for increasing student effort. Topic and/or way to display knowledge and/or how to explain understandings and/or even agency in due dates (pick from 2)
  • BrianDunleavy16 Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    A2 Give students multiple opportunities to succeed when it doesn’t “count”. Helping them trust the learning process. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Hey Dennis! Yes, we need to share our experiences too! #formativechat
    In reply to @D4Griffin3
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Parent checking in here. As a stakeholder, I say drop entirely or seriously diminish the significance of grades in how you assess our kids. It’s hard for a lot of parents to look beyond them. #FormativeChat A2
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    I've been telling kids that their one true job is to entertain me. :) (and no, it does not mean send me memes, but rather do their best work so I don't come up with hair-brained schemes to help them improve) #formativechat
    In reply to @dbuckedu
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Great idea Brian! #formativechat
    In reply to @BrianDunleavy16
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Yes! It's important to provide students with feedback they can act on! Success is not linear but by applying feedback, students can reassure themselves that they are learning in the right direction! #formativechat
    In reply to @DMooreSpanish
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Yup—teachers engrossed in the very cell phones that they ban in their classrooms. Hypocrisy defined! #formativechat
    • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
      Seriously- that teacher meeting so often feels like a reflection of our classrooms/students
      In reply to @dbuckedu
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    A2 By not grading or judging the learning process. Feedback should be given to formative assessment but no grades. Hard to have Ss trust that learning is a process if grades are attached #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    #formativechat
    • JenVictor128 Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      A1: when we give students choice we see more effort. Self assessment can provide great insight into student thinking.
      In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    A2: let’s start with letting kids know that learning absolutely will 100% include may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures And that is A O K! #formativechat
  • Jennifer_Manly Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    While I agree with you, I think that there is room for rewarding effort without assessing it as part of mastery. Research shows tenacity is the #1 predictor of success in all areas of life - we do our students a disservice to not teach/reward/value it. #formativechat
    In reply to @Willmdunn
  • akh003 Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    A1 Ss do not have voice until they have choice. Providing options, even if only a few, can improve effort thru feeding autonomy, agency, and interest. Also, stop grading everything. Work w/ internal motivators #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    YES! If Ss need more time they get it while others work on more challenging problems that require higher order thinking and different levels of cognitive skills. Gets crazy at times and lots of prep but when done right it is great for all learners. #formativechat
    In reply to @Jennifer_Manly, @PaulSolarz
  • D4Griffin3 Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    Sharing stories allows others to take the opportunity to take risks our stories inspire. #Formativechat #StoriesInEdu
    In reply to @Rdene915
  • sreason329 Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    A3: Metacognition- Having students reflect on work more regularly has been huge, then we can discuss together what improvements are needed from BOTH of our perspectives. Encouraging growth mindset from early in the year encourages this growth during assignments. #Formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    A2: show Ss that we fail too. Ss think it’s only them. I share with my Ss how I failed in the past and how mistakes are made today. We only grow stronger with the mistakes we learn from. If Ss are right all the time, how will they learn? #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    Can you believe it? Q3 is already happening in #formativechat! Join the discussion!
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    How would you model that? #FormativeChat
    In reply to @Jennifer_Manly, @PaulSolarz
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    yes I shared that article yesterday and have read lots of great things about it on KQED! Great reminder of traps to avoid in the classroom #formativechat
    In reply to @KRScienceLady
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    A2: very mixed feelings about this idea of comfort zones. I know we talk about pushing it- but that simply doesn’t work for many people. For children - comfortablw (metaphorically and physically) is probably the best place to be for good learning. #formativechat
  • _SMasters Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    #formativechat A2: @MrsAsztalos talk from #FormativeSummit is a great way to start the conversation with other Ts and Leads about growth mindset. The International Baccalaureate Program is great with process orientation/focus
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    A3: I take the stance of a coach. It is a lot easier to guide or offer suggestion before the task is completed or a habit forms. Offer in-activity feedback and suggestions for improvement while it is fresh in their mind and directly applicable. #formativechat #aedu209 #troll209
  • mrshowell24 Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A3- Conferencing with ss and teacher check ins. teachers should not be taking home piles and piles of papers to grade. This should be an ongoing conversation with ss during class time. #formativechat
  • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A3: I find that I have to purposely plan the process of the assignment so it is in smaller chunks allowing and planning for frequent and consistent feedback throughout #formativechat
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A3: Ts can prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades by becoming a facilitator in the room and using project-based learning. While Ss are working, the T is constantly accessing and modifying the lesson to fit the learner(s). #formativechat
  • Dsoares_MiddHS Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    No doubt, we need to teach Ss how to live out of their comfort zone #formativechat
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    I agree. Without grades Ss want to know what they “got.” I ask them what do they think? Then they read the comments. Much more proactive in learning #formativechat
    In reply to @Dsoares_MiddHS
  • IXLElisha Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A1: The key to encouraging students to improve effort is by making sure instruction is presented at the rigor level of rigor for the student. Offer choices. Make learning personal and fun! #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      QUESTION 1: EFFORT is a HUGE key to learning. When we teach & motivate our students to try their best, they grow & improve the fastest they are able. How can we help students improve their effort? Can effort be assessed? If so, how? #formativechat
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A3 have students record their learning and share through multiple mediums. Videos, text and podcasts #FormativeChat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    So true! #storiesinedu #EduGladiators #formativechat
    In reply to @D4Griffin3
  • waychunas Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A2 - How we talk about failure and success as a personal characteristic (you're smart with grades like those) vs a result of effort+determination, (you must have worked really hard for grades like those) impacts how Ss view learning and intelligence #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3: Ss can improve during the class by using tools like @goformative, @flipgrid, @edjinotes, @quizizz, @membean to see and respond to the learning in a purposeful and timely fashion. #formativechat
  • _SMasters Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    #formativechat A3: be active! personalize and differentiate the experience. This is hard work, take a TON of time and effort, but when done well, Ss will be able to be able to achieve deep learning outcomes (I am still very much working on this)
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A2: the idea would be to become comfortable with the idea of making mistakes. Just study anybgreat thinker, artist or highly successful person. They share this trait. Their story can speak to our learners You can also intentionally practice making mistakes #formativechat
  • DMooreSpanish Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3 The more awesome feedback you give the less the grades matter. #formativechat
  • davidwkwan - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    This strategy also goes to remind students of that the benefit of learning isn't grades, but improving one's self. #formativechat
    In reply to @BrianDunleavy16
  • BrianDunleavy16 Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3 Don’t grade to show what things students miss but rather give feedback on the wrong and reenforcememt for the right. Feedback should be phrases positively. In class support risk taking by praising answers even when they are not correct - merely redirect #formativechat
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3: By roviding multiple opportunities to access and re-do. Use @goformative's Enable edits after submission. Delay the grading and/or offer regrades #formativechat
  • scalwall Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3 have soft deadlines or checkins where students get feedback but not a grade. Then the choice to improve the product is up to them. #formativechat
  • MrsAsztalos Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    A3 Model prior, conference during, and give feedback w/o a grade. Have them revise and redo along the way before grading the final product. #formativechat
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    I agree completely. How can we talk about a growth mindset if we don't allow Ss to try again? #formativechat
    In reply to @Jennifer_Manly, @PaulSolarz
  • franziski123 Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3 Constant feedback in the moment is simply the way to go. Make activities feel like authentic, important work and guide them to do their very best. #formativechat
  • Willmdunn Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A2) I’m pretty blunt. I tell them I do not value grades over understanding, and believe the grades they want will follow from understanding. I follow through on my promise that there is no failure, only feedback. Everything can be a starting block for “next.” #formativechat
  • MrSpicerTweets Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3: I highlight the the errors and successes on s's work. Then the s's are responsible for coming to me and talking about the highlights. Are they positive or corrective? S's lead the conversation and we talk about ways to improve. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    #formativechat
    • JenVictor128 Oct 22 @ 7:54 PM EDT
      A2: we need to make the environment safe and supportive. We also need to emphasize that the process is more important than the final product.
      In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3 first buy 4 copies of @PaulSolarz’s book and give 3 copies to edufriends. Next read the book. Have students teach others on how they created their product #FormativeChat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • sreason329 Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    I'm doing it individually in math right now, as a first year trial run. It's been amazing because I teach 2 grades at once and tracking improvement/missing knowledge is so enlightening! Go for it even if it isn't in the "Final gradebook" #SBG #FormativeChat
    In reply to @Cynthia_M_Kirk
  • alexavanbeek Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3: It means being PRESENT during activity/assignment. Walk around, ask questions, observe what is really going on with Ss' work. #aedu209 #formativechat #troll209
  • akh003 Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A2 Simplest thing to do is stop grading everything. Provide lots of formative feedback and iterative processes. Play the long game, even for incremental improvements. Distinguish between good errors and carelessness. Honor confusion & questions #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    Agreed! Scaling the learning process for achievable steps to allow for reflection and feedback. Much better than when Ss produce a flawed product because they veered off early on but received no feedback! #formativechat
    • schnekser Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
      A3: I find that I have to purposely plan the process of the assignment so it is in smaller chunks allowing and planning for frequent and consistent feedback throughout #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3: Tech apps are a great way to provide feedback as it is happening. I just started using @goformative and look forward to giving feedback in real time. I also use lots of open ended problems or PBL's so that I can facilitate not just instruct. #formativechat
  • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    A2 I suggest to teachers: day one of school. Make A ton of mistakes right in front of the kids. But your ok with that! And keep in doing it in ways that encourage creativity, experimentation, voicing ideas (which is scary for many kids) #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    So many awesome ideas and methods being shared now in #formativechat love the conferencing ideas, sharing our own experiences with failures, give feedback and check in often
  • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    A3 – We must make the effort to be truly present in our class. #ditchdesk Have a focus on active learning opportunities were students are creating knowledge and reflecting on their learnings and attempts. @goformative a great tool to help with this #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    YES! #formativechat
    • mrshowell24 Oct 22 @ 7:53 PM EDT
      A3- Conferencing with ss and teacher check ins. teachers should not be taking home piles and piles of papers to grade. This should be an ongoing conversation with ss during class time. #formativechat
  • mtartaro Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    A3 - After identifying those that feel they still need help, I spend 1on1 time with each while others work through practice problems or challenge each other with white board peer challenges! #formativechat
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    Interesting point, if the overriding message to our kids is that they are safe. I did have a revelation at an event last month, though: Teach that discomfort doesn’t mean you’re not safe. Think about what else kids can handle with that message. #FormativeChat
    • EDUcre8ive Oct 22 @ 7:52 PM EDT
      A2: very mixed feelings about this idea of comfort zones. I know we talk about pushing it- but that simply doesn’t work for many people. For children - comfortablw (metaphorically and physically) is probably the best place to be for good learning. #formativechat
  • mrdardy Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    The other real concern in talking about effort is that what looks like effort for some might not be for others. Unless I follow my Ss around, I don’t really have a sense of their work investment away from the classroom. #formativechat
    In reply to @EDUcre8ive
  • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    Yep #bestbookwingmanever #Formativechat
    • nathan_stevens Oct 22 @ 7:55 PM EDT
      A3 first buy 4 copies of @PaulSolarz’s book and give 3 copies to edufriends. Next read the book. Have students teach others on how they created their product #FormativeChat
      • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
        QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    We have to keep pushing through, productive struggles and remember that failure is not final #formativechat
  • MrChandlerBMS Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3 I love @goformative AND @nearpodfor just these abilities it’s been proven that immediate feedback increases students cognition of errors and grows the the student at I believe a .70 effect size which is amazing /24hr feedback if not instant #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    We love your daily goal of giving feedback to every students in class! #formativechat
    In reply to @DMooreSpanish
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    This #formativechat summed up right here! Thus ended the sermon. #formativechat
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3: I have several conferences with Ss. First one we sit together for 10 min. and discuss the assignment (essay); Ss guide the discussion, we go over rubric together and assign a “score.” Ss are part of the evaluation process. 2nd conference we discuss improvements #formativechat
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A2 We began using "show me what you can do"s in math instead of quizzes - Ss self-assess & can retry. Anxiety went down, learning improved & Ss loved it! #formativechat https://t.co/NVchbSlfgt
  • NowakRo Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3 We need to get students more involved in the process. We need to design learning to allow for conferences and that immediate feedback. It isn’t easy and I am challenged daily, but we mist always be transforming to be responsive to student needs & engagement. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • Willmdunn Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3) I’m curious what you think about my practice of not giving grades for anything. I just offer feedback on whatever I see, hear, or collect. Formal assessments receive my impression of mastery level (on a 4-point scale), and feedback to improve as needed. #formativechat
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    Scaffolding the problem in HS math allows for on the spot formative assessment to pin point gaps in learning. This is a great way to provide meaningful feedback and address the issue specifically. #formativechat
    In reply to @schnekser
  • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Thanks to everyone who participated in this evening's #formativechat & THANK YOU to @goformative for allowing me to guest moderate! I hope you'll check out my #formativesummit session that was posted today! If you have a little more time to chat, please jump to #LearnLAP now!
  • mrdardy Oct 22 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Also - feel free to say ‘I don’t know, what a good question’ as often as possible! #formativechat
    In reply to @EDUcre8ive
  • Mrs_Koppers Oct 22 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Time to teach Rhetoric ... be back later to view responses #formativechat
  • jgmac1106 Oct 22 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Give a kid a domain and website. Let me chose what they want to learn as well as guide them through key content. Document the journey along the way/ #formativechat (https://t.co/otENGkzI4M)
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Yes! #FormativeChat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @PaulSolarz
  • waychunas Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A3: First off, not every grade or score needs to go into the grade book. Frequent checks for understanding helps students (and teachers) monitor their own learning. I like https://t.co/LhLuIrIyfV as a quick way to get feedback from and to students #formativechat
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • MarianaGSerrato Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Thank you all. Back to giving feedback :) #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Definitely great tools, just showed @nearpod in a session on #arvrinedu #formativechat
    In reply to @MrChandlerBMS, @goformative, @nearpod
  • franziski123 Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Good night #formativechat. I'll be on later.
  • rowens1 Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A3: putting more time in the process of learning rather than prep for a test and making reflection a regular, consistent and necessary part of that process #formativechat
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Do Ss score their rubric before you meet? #formativechat
    In reply to @Mrs_Koppers
  • jgmac1106 Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    All this #formativechat focused on the learner, really want to measure learnign focus on iterating on the spaces you create/ (https://t.co/xRETqkmyk1)
  • LScumpieru Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Thank you @PaulSolarz for a great #formativechat. This is a great PLN that keeps my mind continually thinking and evolving! Have a great week everyone!
  • spqrmiguel Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A3: Our teachers are encouraged to use technology as much as possible and today’s tech can provide students and the teacher with immediate feedback in a fun way. Check out this wonderful teacher @MCASTELLANOS101 using technology with immediate results. #formativechat
  • IXLElisha Oct 22 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A2: Model expectations to encourage Ss to engage in the process of learning rather than always focusing on the ‘right’ answer. Embrace the entire learning process & model productive struggle. Share relevant experiences. Allow Ss to take risks & struggle. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      QUESTION 2: Learning can be a complicated process that may include uncertainty, setbacks & failures before resulting in growth, improved skills & success. How can we educate students & other stakeholders to embrace this uncomfortable learning process? #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    As we wrap up #formativechat, we'd love to send a huge thank you to @PaulSolarz ! These Q's were SO good! If you haven't already, make sure to watch his #FormativeSummit session about the same topic! Sign up here and we'll send it along: https://t.co/jAzkwWLyv4 #eduhero
  • vendi55 Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Check out this interesting take on an assessment question . #formativechat
    • SciGeekJulie Oct 21 @ 10:32 PM EDT
      This is why is started adding this on written assessments. It’s being received well!
      In reply to @courosa
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    A3) Stop assigning a grade at the end of each one. 😁 Teach kids to map progress. And as suggested, involve families in this change. With the ability to follow along with PowerSchool, why just offer grades? #FormativeChat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • timlriley Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Thank you everyone #formativechat
  • dbuckedu Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    +1 >>> #FormativeChat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Me too, I found it earlier this year, and also love this one #formativechat
    In reply to @kimmykcollins
  • carlameyrink Oct 22 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    A3 By conferencing with them. Whenever Ss are working, sit with them, push their thinking, give feedback & individual lessons/or #formativechat
  • akh003 Oct 22 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    A3 Stop grading everything, especially w/ rubrics. Provide narrative feedback or questions that must be considered & addressed as revision before resubmission and issuing a traditional grade. Any grade ends conversation about learning and becomes about grades #formativechat
    In reply to @MrSpicerTweets
  • JeremyDBond Oct 22 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Yes. Make something besides the grade the ultimate reward. #FormativeChat
    • BrianDunleavy16 Oct 22 @ 7:50 PM EDT
      A2 Give students multiple opportunities to succeed when it doesn’t “count”. Helping them trust the learning process. #formativechat
  • Dsoares_MiddHS Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Excellent chat, Was great meeting all of you and talking! Keep fighting the good fight! #formativechat
  • inspirecitizen1 Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    A3: PBL/SDG. Once you give up the keys and the kids know the why, the whole classroom turns into a workshop and feedback loop. It's awesome for kids and teacher wellness. And authentic learning through the roof. #formativechat
    In reply to @waychunas, @PaulSolarz
  • MrSeanOlson Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hey all if you get a chance and are interested in participating, we would love to have you on #OLAchats . Great topics on leadership and all of your knowledge is shared with developing S leaders at OHS. #formativechat
    • Oak_Leadership Oct 19 @ 3:04 PM EDT
      Please join us on Sunday October, 28th 8pm EST for another #OLAchats as we reflect on responses received during our inaugural chat on 10/14!
  • MrChandlerBMS Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Happy that I looked at Twitter, it’s AWESOME too know there are so many educators with the same and greater passion that I have #formativechat #WeAre1
  • rowens1 Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    A3: Allowing students to choose what and how they review, practice, & learn info is important in their but in. When we control everything, Ss feel prep vs. choice of learning path. #formativechat
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Sign up here to watch @PaulSolarz 's epic #FormativeSummit session. It's packed with thought-provoking ideas : https://t.co/jAzkwWLyv4 ! #formativechat
  • DMooreSpanish Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
  • goformative Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Thank YOU, Paul! It's been such a pleasure to be able to connect and collaborate with you recently! #formativechat #FormativeSummit
    In reply to @PaulSolarz
  • teacherknikki Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    There are numerous parallels between coaching & teaching when it comes to giving feedback, but I think it starts w/ sufficient opportunities to practice & razor sharp focus on what we want to see. For me, I know I can get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of content. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • _SMasters Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    #formativechat Thank you @goformative @PaulSolarz Great feedback, great ideas and thank you fellow educators! Great things are happening for great Ss. Keep it up!
  • MrsKrissyPierce Oct 22 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    A2 I’m a learner because I connect with my PLN, am ALWAYS reading, and plan instructional shifts deeply long before implementation. #formativechat
  • MrsKrissyPierce Oct 22 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    A3 we must connect in the moment alongside learners. Prioritizing every instructional moment to connect with students is the only way to ensure teachable moments are rarely missed #formativechat
  • ToriJustin713 Oct 22 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A.3 Doing assignments together, in small groups or student conferences and not just having Ss do independent work immediately..allowing Ss to teach each others and not taking everything for a grade are ways that I help prioritize feedback over grades. #formativechat
    • PaulSolarz Oct 22 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      QUESTION 3: How can we as educators prioritize immediate, personalized feedback over grades? How can we focus on helping students improve DURING activities & assignments instead of just assigning a grade at the END of one? #formativechat
  • Willmdunn Oct 22 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Great chat! Glad I stumbled upon it. #formativechat
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    We are glad you did! See you next week . #formativechat
    In reply to @MrChandlerBMS
  • Rdene915 - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    This was a great chat, please tag me on Sunday so I remember! #formativechat
    In reply to @MrSeanOlson
  • ItsAMrY Oct 22 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Prioritize feedback by not giving grades when students ask for them. Ask Ss to self-evaluate and defend a grade they believe they have earned and then give a counter-argument if necessary. #formativechat