#TTLA2 Archive
Chat for members of the School District of Washington's TTLA - Year 2
Wednesday October 12, 2016
4:30 PM EDT
kashenm
Oct 12 @ 4:30 PM EDT
Good afternoon!
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:31 PM EDT
Kashen, are you in your room?
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 4:35 PM EDT
Hi everyone!
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:36 PM EDT
@landersrn
standing by
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:37 PM EDT
Tonight’s Topic of Discussion: The Essential Question in PBL
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:37 PM EDT
You should be thinking about your EQ already. Note that it may change as you develop the project. That’s OK.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:37 PM EDT
There are 3 criteria for a quality EQ
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:38 PM EDT
1. It should be a question that people ask in the real world
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:38 PM EDT
2. It should be a question that has no easy answers, and stretches the student’s intellectual muscles.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:39 PM EDT
3. It should be a question that ignites student’s imaginations
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:39 PM EDT
This can be hard. Takes time and trial and error. Discussion and collaboration with colleagues can help.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:40 PM EDT
Suggestion: have students come up with their own EQ’s by asking them a burning question. Then discuss and let them do some research.
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:40 PM EDT
So the EQ has to be something the kids will want to answer and not an application I will be using?
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 4:41 PM EDT
@landersrn
I love the fact that the EQ pushes a student to stretch their imaginations and intellectual muscles!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:41 PM EDT
Correct, Penny. EQ is what you want them to figure out. It's kind of the goal of the project.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:42 PM EDT
Collaboration: Your building is full of colleagues who can help you develop your EQ.
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:42 PM EDT
I think the EQ is also open ended and the students won't all have the same answer.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:42 PM EDT
@landersrn
this will be hard for them too. They have been conditioned to do things in a certain way in a certain format.
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 4:43 PM EDT
I feel like it will be hard for me! Trying to digest it.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:43 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
Agreed. This whole process will take a reprogramming of students and teacher mindsets
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 4:44 PM EDT
it can also be something you along with your students are trying to figure out. Correct?
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:44 PM EDT
@melissagold
That's why I'm suggesting collaboration. :)
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:44 PM EDT
Q1 If you don’t want to talk with people at your own school, where are some places you can look for collaboration?
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:44 PM EDT
A1 online!
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 4:44 PM EDT
A1: Twitter!
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 4:45 PM EDT
A1. Schoology has suggestions of other teachers that you can follow. from SDOW and other districts.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:45 PM EDT
@landersrn
A1 other schools in other districts or other states
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:46 PM EDT
@landersrn
Many of us belong to organizations and groups that we should be able to sound off
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kashenm
Oct 12 @ 4:46 PM EDT
@WMSreads
I agree! This is what makes the sharing these projects with the class so interesting, everyone's should be unique!
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:46 PM EDT
A1.
https://t.co/TE7Ihd6Sfh
has a ton of PBL lessons you can adapt or use.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:46 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
Great suggestion. How can I go about making contact with those type of folks?
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:46 PM EDT
@landersrn
a1: also that new fangled interweb thing that is so popular these days
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 4:47 PM EDT
@WMSreads
I totally agree with you. I did my first PBL this semester and it was amazing to see the different projects of my students.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:47 PM EDT
@landersrn
many people in our district have a spouse or friend who work in a different one
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 4:47 PM EDT
@WMSreads
bie,com is such a great resource! That's where I found my templates!
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:48 PM EDT
@WMSreads
Thank you for the link!
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:48 PM EDT
I didn't know it was going to create a hyperlink for me - learn something new every day!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:49 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
Excellent! Build a network of these resources (i.e. people)!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:49 PM EDT
Conferences are a great place to network and meet people who can serve as resources/collaborative partners.
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 4:50 PM EDT
https://t.co/OOmhXN6p8b
https://t.co/tw4DMxMgxi
https://t.co/giY4tsBaUQ
Links from my summer PBL PD.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:50 PM EDT
@landersrn
i don't think we as educators think to "network" as much as those in business, etc
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something we can start to change
PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
I don't think we do, because we still have the mindset we have to "create"
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
Frustrating though when people say PBL is making a poster. This is still going on.
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
That is a great point!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
I would concur. Early in my career I had no interest in what anyone else was doing. Now it can be a lifeline.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
LinkedIn? Is anyone using that?
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:51 PM EDT
I am!
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 4:52 PM EDT
@4jmgriffin
I just looked up the project search option on
https://t.co/LWlxnO2jb8
. That is such a great resource. Thanks!
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:52 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
this creation mindset is somehow linked to if you don't work crazy hours as a teacher you must be lazy
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 4:52 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
@landersrn
I find that by reaching out to others my thinking is greatly expanded.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:52 PM EDT
@melissagold
Agreed! They're confusing a "project" with Project-Based Learning. Time to educate the masses!
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SDOWsupt
Oct 12 @ 4:52 PM EDT
Hello everyone. I enjoy edcamps, conferences, twitter, and I want a mondopad!
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 4:53 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
Yes, and "asking for help" means we don't know something. It's tough for some to admit.
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SDOWsupt
Oct 12 @ 4:53 PM EDT
PBL can be so very powerful and can totally still meet standards. Thank you all for trying it.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:53 PM EDT
Great links everyone! Thanks for posting.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:54 PM EDT
@SDOWsupt
Hey Boss, thanks for joining us!
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:54 PM EDT
How many of us are Googling what a mondopad is? :)
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 4:54 PM EDT
@WMSreads
ME!
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:54 PM EDT
Will we have access to the resources once this concludes?
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:55 PM EDT
@melissagold
They look really cool!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:56 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
You should be able to. I'll see if I can collect them and put them on our Schoology page.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 4:56 PM EDT
Q2 Have you developed your EQ yet? If so, what is your question?
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 4:56 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
I also have a PBL book I got this summer I can share. It has some great resources in it for lesson planning.
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 4:57 PM EDT
Good also 2 share w/Ss how others have solved probs. My Ss read about an illness from contam H20 & a special straw was the solution.
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 4:57 PM EDT
A2. Mine has something to do with leadership and what makes leaders effective.
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 4:58 PM EDT
A2. I'm still trying to wrap around an EQ. Hoping to get ideas during this session.
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 4:58 PM EDT
@landersrn
increasing problem solving and critical thinking w/ infants and toddlers using the five senses.
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 4:59 PM EDT
A2: What makes our organisms unique? Has to do with plant/animal adaptations and how they survive in an ecosystem.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 4:59 PM EDT
@@landersrn A2: one possibility: "How can Ss better retain knowledge (in my case Spanish proficiency) btr long after the course?
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 5:00 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
Can you create an EQ that is more research based and then use your applications in the research or final products?
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:00 PM EDT
If you haven't developed it yet, no worries. :)
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SDOWsupt
Oct 12 @ 5:00 PM EDT
@landersrn
Just popping in for a sec. Grad class starting soon. Love to hear all of the great things you all do in your classrooms.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:00 PM EDT
@SDOWsupt
Yep! These guys rock!
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:01 PM EDT
@@landersrn a2: Another: How can Spanish Ss use their knowledge to help ell native spanish speakers cope with school?
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:03 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
Try starting with a broad theme. "The world seems to be short on food." Then break it down into possible areas of study
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:04 PM EDT
@landersrn
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A2: How can students demonstrate tl proficiency to their family/school etc? i'm thinking memorized skits/they won't like!
landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:04 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
"Is farming as efficient as it could be?" "Are GMO's a viable solution?" "What have we done in the past during famines?"
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:05 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
Page 39 in the text has some example EQ's that you could use for inspiration.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:06 PM EDT
Q3 From the text, what are the 6 A’s of PBL?
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:06 PM EDT
I guess I struggle with trying to fit it into my curriculum
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:06 PM EDT
@landersrn
@PennyHeisel
"Will population increase lead to greater problems in accurate food supply?"
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:07 PM EDT
@landersrn
@PennyHeisel
"How can food waste be reduced?" John Oliver did whole episode on that one.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:07 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
How can technology be used to improve farming efficiency?
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:07 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
@landersrn
@PennyHeisel
This is starting to hit
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 5:08 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
This is off the chat subj but @ Morenet tech conf, I heard about a oogle add-on for Google Docs called easy accents
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:09 PM EDT
@PennyHeisel
@BrennanWHS
How can technology be used to help distribute unused food from grocers or restaurants?
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:09 PM EDT
Anyone on the 6 A's?
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 5:10 PM EDT
@landersrn
A3: Authenticity, Academic Rigour, Applied Learning, Active Exploration, Adult Relationships, and Assessment.
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:10 PM EDT
I am
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 5:10 PM EDT
@landersrn
A3: Authenticity, Academic Rigor, Applied Learning, Active Exploration, Adult Relationships, and Assessment.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:10 PM EDT
@4jmgriffin
Thanks, Jill!
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:11 PM EDT
1 Authenticity 2 Academic Rigor 3 Applied Learning 4 Active Exploration 5 Adult Relationships 6 Assessment
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:11 PM EDT
@Ms_Kottmann
@landersrn
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what jill and nicole said
landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:11 PM EDT
Q4 Which of the 6 A’s seems most difficult or “scariest” to you? Why?
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 5:11 PM EDT
@landersrn
Q3 Authenticity, academic rigour, applied learning, active exploration, adult relationships, assessment
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 5:12 PM EDT
A3 Authenticity, academic rigor, applied learning, active exploration, adult relationships & assessment practices
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:12 PM EDT
A3 Not sure why, but I think the active exploration.
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:12 PM EDT
A3. active exploration because students struggle with inquiry
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:13 PM EDT
@landersrn
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"Adult Relationships" They're not adults, as they remind me several times a day.
PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:13 PM EDT
A3 Authenticity, academic rigour, applied learning, active exploration, adult relationships, assessment
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 5:13 PM EDT
@landersrn
A4: Adult Relationships. I need a better circle of experts outside the classroom to be mentors to my students.
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 5:13 PM EDT
a3: Assessment practices
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:14 PM EDT
A3. Assessment was a close second for me.
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 5:14 PM EDT
@landersrn
A4: Active Exploration - at the elementary level it is hard to find transportation for students and their various projects
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:14 PM EDT
@Ms_Kottmann
SDOW has a School-Business Partnership that may be able to help.
@SDOWsupt
may be able to get you a point of contact
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:14 PM EDT
@4jmgriffin
@landersrn
A4:
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This can be an issue even in high school, with a geographic district as large as ours.
kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 5:15 PM EDT
@landersrn
A4: Assessment. Sometimes hard to measure with my age group.
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 5:15 PM EDT
@landersrn
Thanks! I would love to have more people from the community discuss an EQ with my classes!
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:16 PM EDT
@kelly_worstell
@landersrn
I can see where that could be difficult
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:16 PM EDT
@landersrn
@Ms_Kottmann
@SDOWsupt
There is a list on the district's website - some of the contacts are outdated though.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:16 PM EDT
@Ms_Kottmann
Right on! There's another possible avenue for collaboration on the EQ's
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Ms_Kottmann
Oct 12 @ 5:17 PM EDT
@WMSreads
Thanks!
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:18 PM EDT
@Ms_Kottmann
@landersrn
Skype might be an option too....
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:20 PM EDT
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great thoughts everyone!
landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:20 PM EDT
Project Design: Try designing your project using ‘Backwards Design.’
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:21 PM EDT
Once you have your EQ, look at what you expect your students to learn from doing this project. Make a list of outcomes.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:21 PM EDT
Q5 What are some things that you might have on that list?
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:21 PM EDT
@landersrn
A5
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Students will feel comfortable enough to have a 20 sec conversation in TL at start of next school year.
WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:22 PM EDT
A5. As a librarian, I would be looking at their ability to locate good sources of information.
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melissagold
Oct 12 @ 5:22 PM EDT
A5 Want Ss to be critical thinkers and not take info. at face value
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PennyHeisel
Oct 12 @ 5:22 PM EDT
A5 I'd probably want to look at how they formed their conclusion
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:23 PM EDT
A5 Mastery of curricular standards?
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kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 5:24 PM EDT
A5: Being able to try more than one option when faced with a problem before requesting help.
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 5:25 PM EDT
@landersrn
Q5: Students accessing multiple reliable resources to help guide their project and note taking!
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WMSreads
Oct 12 @ 5:25 PM EDT
@landersrn
Definitely and application of standards too.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:26 PM EDT
Good lists. Once you have those, how do you tell if a student has learned each item on your list? Develop your assessment plan.
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:26 PM EDT
This is your ‘proof’ that you’re not just goofing around, but are doing serious work.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:27 PM EDT
Don’t forget about exhibition. Start planning how your student work will be shared with the world.
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landersrn
- Moderator
Oct 12 @ 5:27 PM EDT
You may need to reserve space or enlist outside help. Plan this early instead of last minute.
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BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:27 PM EDT
@landersrn
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I'm thinking YouTube will be involved somehow, esp. w challenge of schedules of 155 students.
BrennanWHS
Oct 12 @ 5:28 PM EDT
@landersrn
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but then have to check the photo restriction list too and deal with any students on it by having them exhibit in diff way
kelly_worstell
Oct 12 @ 5:29 PM EDT
@landersrn
Video, photos, process documentation panels
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landersrn
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Oct 12 @ 5:29 PM EDT
@BrennanWHS
That's a great point for anyone producing something with student photos or videos of students. Check for media-exclusion!
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4jmgriffin
Oct 12 @ 5:29 PM EDT
@landersrn
Curriculum Night for elementary students!
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