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Tuesday April 5, 2016
WELCOME Topic: As an advocate for doing away with grading, what specifics do you give to colleagues to join in the uphill battle?
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NOW Topic: As an advocate for doing away with grading, what specifics do you give to colleagues to join in the uphill battle?
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Hi Mark, Happy to tonight. I'm still a fan of mixed response--some grading, some narrative, some conference. . .
thanks. Is there a particular focus for the chat?
If students are working for grades rather than for learning, something is wrong.
Hi Kevin, It's important for school communities to review their assessment processes and priorities.
grading encourages teaching along the with tests and doesn't encourage a solid understanding of the information.
True, but sometimes a grade provides a quick snapshot--I think there's room for multiple assessment responses.
Although grades are important and so is learning, what are other options to measuring learning?
True, that's one more way to assess.
Hi -- Don - MS Principal Long Island
I agree with statement however I dont think teachers should rely so heavily on grades as a view on knowledge
Grading forces students to only focus their time on what they will be evaluated on
UNDERWAY Topic: As an advocate for doing away with grading, what specifics do you give to colleagues to join in the uphill battle?
When I was in school, having comfortable furniture made it easier for me to learn.
Katelyn, There are so many ways to measure learning--one I like is impact, how did your learning impact change?
Once SS see a grade the learning stops
curious, do kids "compare" (boast about?) their badges?
True, at my level we don't give grades on the report card, but using them sometimes for assessments.
Absolutely. Children should enjoy what they're learning. Not focus on only the grades they have
this is a great criteria!
Yet when I grade I use fractions of # correct/over total--not A's, B's
I never really focused on anything else because I was so focused on getting A's that I didn't pat attention to much else
Students are more than a number
Students work for the grade and don't necessarily try to absorb the information they are being told
I feel that there can be more than just a standard form of grading.
If a student w/limited skills is truly performing at 90% of what she is capable of but her grades are at 70% what grade does she get?
If we're to do away with grading, the focus needs to be on the student. We need to SHOW that. Also parent communication will be key!
how about higher order responses (essays etc.)?
imagine high schoolers putting together an event to educate, then determining success based on impact.
Not sure what is meant by theses %'s .... what's 70% ...
That's a really good point--this is where progressions are important, how much have you grown, and how do we know that.
Working for grades is important to us rather than understanding the important information, this may be a problem
If a child is learning well and enjoys doing so, typically the grades will follow. focus on learning
I would much rather encourage my students with writing +3 on their test than -20. Possible new ways of writing a grade?
We typically use rubrics and checklists for these to acknowledge inclusion of imp. elements.
Should Earth Science be a required or at least recommended course to ensure Ss get more climate?
So, are grading and reporting essential to instruction? I think not. What about you?
I hate that we have "testing seasons" in schools.
"doing away with grading" as a whole would benefit students. We should though stop using grading as a focus point.
Thanks... let's hope so... What are you looking for?
don't let the grades get in the way - you believe in real learning adjust assessmnts to meet the paradigm shift
I think that is a great idea but making it happen is where the difficulty comes in.
Indeed, a sad state of affairs...
Group projects and activities! Usually participation grades encourage more children
Right on... so are teachers!
I'm thinking of a revision needed, acceptable and exceptional system! Let students improve
If Ss are tracking their own learning w guidance from Ts based on standards what are grades for?
communicating to all stake holders and using strategic planning will allow the uphill battle to become a downhill slide
I think grading in some ways is in part due to numbers--we are working w/many, narrative response takes time
when gets are interested, I think that they naturally will perform better and earn better grades
70% Test scores. but the student is working at 90% of what they are truly capable of doing
Grades are a crutch for teachers. Why write meaningful, nuanced feedback for EVERY student when you can simply assign a letter?
I am really feeling this now w/8 standardized tests and one systemwide test looming.
yes - key issue - how can we make kids want to fail and learn - grades seem to work against this.
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As a teacher, sometimes the grades give me a quick look at what Ss have gained and what still needs to be taught.
It's time for us to understand 'student engagement' means commitment to learning...not necessarily excitement about learning.
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If students are working for grades rather than for learning, something is wrong.
If grades are complemented with deeper, more meaningful feedback, perhaps they're less of a problem?
Hey there Meredith... thanks for joining
but I guess that's just # of correct answers ....
. Not so true. Many teachers use punitive grades for homework & behavior.
I think people think of grades differently--I typicall give a total fraction to a test, but write comments too.
Written feedback provides students with a better understanding of how their work can improve better than a letter grade
I really like this point. It's an interesting way to see what the students are really taking away from the your teaching
Do GRADES matter? Other than colleges, who asks to see student transcripts? Curious… help me here please.
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they want to be good students and that's what good students were taught to do.They need to unlearn this.
I think this is where PBL comes in--guided by checklists, rubric, impact, presentation.
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You are in it now. Carry on.
So... with so many folks unhappy with grades and tests...why are we still grading and testing?
How do you think written feedback should differ in certain subjects like English, Math and Science?
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Ss, in part, are motivated by grades when used like a game--can play a role, but not whole of school.
This is a good point. Deeper feedback along with grades is meaningful for me as a student.
B = S makes no errors in simple and complex content explicitly taught
learning can easily be assessed through PBL's. It allows a student's creativity to flow while hitting all the learning points.
I would much rather encourage my students with writing +3 on their test than -20. Possible new ways of writing a grade?
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In a New York Times interview (paywall), HR chief Laszlo Bock said university grades are “worthless as a criteria [sic] for hiring.”
I was thinking same Mark, do they matter? What is the purpose?
Either way — without additional comments (or an assigned letter, etc.) students have nothing to wrestle with.
share a reading and viewing list of prominent thinkers I've explored including Brene Brown on vulnerability & risktaking
So true--when I create an assessment, I am essentially assessing my teaching--did they learn?
I hope for students to seek, work towards answers about what they are curious about. This informs my next steps for learning.
I think grades matter. There needs to be a way to distinguish work ethic amongst students.
If grades become obsolete, facilities will be required to change in order to allow creativity and problem-solving to occur.
OK with so many folks unhappy with grades and tests...why are we still grading and testing?
yes -- and enduring understanding can only be assessed thru authentic tasks. (PBL)
Too many teachers use 3 forms of assessments. Formative, Summative and Punitive.
Idea that S only learn through grades is pernicious. Other ways to teach them responsibility
Every U grades differently - for hiring, it's good to look at whole person
I agree that it's good for Ss to have something to "wrestle with."
Thanks Alondra... how's that working for you?
assessment done right is hard work
I believe it's a teachers responsibility to get children involved in the learning.
Dan Pink attributes his interest in writing to writing for his school newspaper "because it was real about real ppl"
. Portfolio and self assessment fills that bill.
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I threw out a test this week--performance was not what I expected--I'm reteaching, will retest.
teachers need to take risks and be vulernable if we are to change education for the better.
And... once we understand that, then what?
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Varying assessments mean u must be strategic in how u structure class. True blended learning meets each kid where they are!
why not? In my room, I'm in charge. I do what's best for kids
Grades are not the problem. It is how those grades are often determined that's the problem.
because it is effective coercion - carrot/stick
So true and we have to be creative about this--how can we do this better?
Assignments and tests should mimic the publishing process — think writer's workshops, roundtables, revisions, edits, etc.
Yeah, sadly it is too true for too many
I worry that grades are not representing what and how students are learning. The why of gaining new knowledge matters.
with so many folks unhappy w grades/tests...why are we still grading/testing
UbD Curriculum model is strong for this!!
"Talent depends on how a person is managed or led."
hand up to answer a question = risktaking. We want kids to take risks; we should take risks too. Lead by example.
this discourages and may embarrass students! I think reward them for what they do right & add a see me to discuss
Example--5th graders could create fraction lesson for 3rd graders, teach, assess, determine success.
love Daring Greatly! Important to take into consideration.
Learning won't become a process unless we treat assessment and feedback like a platform on which to build.
ok...who is coercing whom? When? How?
Kohn’s summary of 80 yrs of research show grades diminish motivation, discourage intellectual risks, and promote superficial recall
sure you do. Let kids grade themselves
YES -- you HAVE to be able to do it in order to teach it! Great idea Maureen
aren't there other ways to do that?
I think grades can be obtuse even if determined well. What does a grade of 90% tell me?
To me, this is the art of the job--figuring out how to motivate, engage, empower, inspire. Best part of teaching.
"3 pts off for talking" = less talkin'
I agree. Students respond better to a teacher's private interest.
Having that kind of flexibility is essential for teaching content. Many should consider this approach
if you want to be innovative, find out first what innovation is all about. Understand it so you can live it.
for now, yes. Change is coming though
Yes--we can maximize Ss impact on other Ss much more than we do now.
I think students teachers and parents all coerce each other in this destructive dance we do
Today Ss shared real-life math problems they created--so wonderful, real!
seems like on this one... many folks just kicking can down the road...agree?
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Behavior should be tied to grades... just like participation
We also use showcase portfolios--really wonderful.
This is a fairly nebulous statement. What is this 'innovation' you speak of?
As educators, we see the writing on the wall. Change is upon us and flexibility & adaptability is key in education.
. Ss know what they knew when they began & they can show what they know after. That translates to what was learned.
WHAT CAN PARENTS DO to de-emphasize grades in favor of learning?
I got to determine my own grading scale for the class I’m teaching this yr & didn’t do % but that’s what ppl think of
Ts around the world are explaining how to shift away from grades
Sorry to join you late tonight.
Teachers should be motivators, not telling our students they aren't good enough like the rest of the world. Grading fuels this
yes. Tools like make this easy.
we use A, B, C, P (passing) and ND (Not demonstrated) based on Marzano
Reteaching going very well--Ss will be ready for new test, I'll figure out who needs more.
We have RTI in place to give more when needed.
I'm joining late tonight, I see the chat is about grading student work
hmmm -- diff. betwn PBL and Performance Tasks? (I'm not well versed in PBL)
I'll have to look at that, on report cards we use standards based grading.
Teachers should be motivators, not telling our students they aren't good enough like the rest of the world does!
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If parents understand the value of public education & what their children gain from it, grades matter less. Its a perception problem
Too often (not always) behavior is a result of poor planning on the part of the teacher. How does that belong in a student's grade?
stop cheering their kids GPAs and paying for A's
Hi Howard, No apologies needed, glad to see you arrived :)
ask kids and Ts what the child learned?
Great question--I think it's important to keep Ss goal and passion centered--who are you? what do you want to be?
Have you ever thought about how many talented kids gave up because their grade told them they weren't good enough? Let's fix this.
Also, I tell my own children--give it your best, choose what you're excited about.
Campus wide:How do high school teachers successfully embed into their curriculum?
rather than a grade that marks a point in time and can lead to apathy, we help kids are learning as journey
don't have a SBG report card but we use a SBG approach to grading (redoes, etc.)
don't have a SBG report card but we use a SBG approach to grading (redoes, etc.)
So awesome that you recognized the need and retaught unit... too many just continue on, leave students behind.
I think one big role is fostering positive collaboration--how to work w/diversity.
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and the way choices they make/decisions impact learning along the way.
Another role is "learning to learn" - how to maximize attitude, resources, tools, experts, passion, drive to learn.
my mantra this year has been kids do well if they can and so its substantially on me to help them find a way to do well.
that's a tiny step. I wish Marzano would tell people to throw out grades instead
Grades indicate a promise for potential, while portfolios show proof of learning. Portfolios seem the better choice.
There are many methods of grading and reporting. Do any of them work well?
The role of schools is to provide learning opportunities whenever and wherever they occur. Blow up the current structure
You could "tell" them... :-)
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WHAT CAN PARENTS DO to de-emphasize grades in favor of learning?
I agree that behavior is a separate issue--one that needs to be thought about w/a broad lens.
we need big voices to tell it like it is
Aaron, I'm with you on this... but feels like wee need more specifics, better alternatives, etc.
Do you grade on the curve? Why?
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couldn't agree more! Showing our students their progress is key!
critical and not always easy w/large numbers-look who is successful in life, confidence and positivity plays big role.
Cheerleading GPAs makes for an awkward post-college transition, when the world shows you how little it cares about your grades.
what about mastery and what about giving and receiving effective feedback,
not sure there's enough money in it for him
Gadzooks! How'd get something so simple so screwed up....
I think the big voices normally tell it like it is - from their perspective. That’s not always mine.
TRUTRH: No single measure of learning is reliable.
Our Ts use the app all of the time.
Begin with question: what do I hope every child that leaves my class/school has/knows? Does answer = what you measure?
We grade on a curve so there are always winners and losers.
it's always easy to remind someone you believe in them and they have potential, that's our job!
I think when you use grading as one part of whole assessment menu it can work.
UbD includes lots of "lead up tasks"
The longer I am in teaching, the more I questions what we do in general.
. strategies for improving behavior should not be mixed in with assessing a kids learning, but yes, it must be addressed.
We value what we measure. What do you really value? What does your current assessment tell kids that you value?
Yet portfolios are very time consuming. Sometimes a grade is just the right assessment--fan of mixed assessment palette.
Grades and tests are easier than providing deep, meaningful, ongoing feedback for every student.
Right, behavior and learning must be kept separate.
Hey Howard... WHAT A MESS! Is it time to start over?
Our focus should be on mastery goals, not performance goals
It goes back to using grades as extrinsic motivators. Few Ss r really motivated by grades
ok... how often does that happen? [I am getting depressed, here]
I love the way Ss look at you when you say that--they try more, work better.
the point is it reflects our values as a school. The things we hope for kids.
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All I keep thinking is standards based grading but also citizenship and growth models too.
No--there are some aspects of teaching that are nearly impossible to measure such as character, confidence.
Yet I can measure, in part, if a child is capable of reading and understanding what he/she reads
ask details of what was learned, not for grade & cheer that
I certainly think it will take all of us to explore that which is worthy of student learning; it's a monumental task.
I should be able receive an A in math and an F in behavior - whatever an A really means.
Yes, it's not one direction, but many--a whole child profile.
balanced assessments may be the key?
yeah -- perform. task =culmination of a unit -demonstrate ALL the transfer acquisition and meaning-making
Ways of recognizing effort also should not be mixed in with assessing a kids learning but must be addressed
Imagine if we were all to receive a grade at the end of this chat.
Recognize that there is quality time spent & wasted time. We need to spend the time to improve the learning doing more w/less.
Love this! Building evidence! https://t.co/mFD1yfM8Ns
Grades indicate a promise for potential, while portfolios show proof of learning. Portfolios seem the better choice.
Let's hope so... what's your experience so far?
For me--we put a lot of time into reflection related to learning events, lots of time into portfolios. . .
We have graded tests about once a month, rubric assessed work about once a month, presentations often.
The system is designed to perpetuate the system. Making changes is like play Whack-A-Mole.
Reevaluating how you spend your time in the classroom, particularly when it come to grading? https://t.co/w0aYpXOFPL
we use curves because we have to "fix" an inherently broken system based on #'s
It's a real mix and our report cards are standards based letters such as proficient, exceeds, needs support.
Well, I'm not so optimistic. The path that brought us here is also the one that keeps us here...
At Anastasis we value the whole child. We value the learning journey. This is what we measure. https://t.co/inv3xjWIFC
We also have lots of computer generated responses to study.
... Kris, I'm not a big fan of incremental reform/change...too easy for folks to get lost...
prioritization is essential and I think those priorities may look different dependent on context, need, interest.
Parents can affirm kids for creative pursuit of knowledge which will reflect onto children a love for learning
I don't think any of that is impossible to measure. Impossible to measure with traditional grading? Yes.
Not to mention portfolios carry far more weight when seeking jobs, internships, even college admission. https://t.co/CjxY6dtslV
Grades indicate a promise for potential, while portfolios show proof of learning. Portfolios seem the better choice.
Spend a great deal of time exploiting assumptions about #'s, %'s, Letters stop AVERAGING
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but I think it's possible to help kids see where they are in their journey and the growth they are making.
We should be grading ourselves not the student! If they aren't understanding, then we need to take a step and evaluate our teaching
exactly what it is! Joy in the journey!
Thanks Betsy... good stuff...
If a teacher is engaging kids in a lesson they have less of a chance or inclination to engage in other things.
Think it could be neither. Can’t it be okay that some stu aren’t ready for all grade level materials in all situations?
thinking of measurement too narrowly.
True, we "measure" that through observation, discussion, refined work and effort.
We should be grading ourselves If students aren't understanding, then we need to take a step back & evaluate our teaching
Yes they can... how often do they?
I agree- I believe showcase portfolio process helps this--Ss reflect on a number of learning efforts/experiences, present
Right! If our students fail our tests doesn't that mean we didn't teach them to reach them?
Sam, I bet you do that daily. I know I do--always trying to do it better.
I absolutely believe this! https://t.co/dG0x7PPCdq
If a teacher is engaging kids in a lesson they have less of a chance or inclination to engage in other things.
I always marveled at the fact that we accept strengths and weaknesses in adults but will not in children.
Agreed. Subjectivity is built into the system of giving and receiving grades. https://t.co/ol2hi7adPm
Grades are not the problem. It is how those grades are often determined that's the problem.
which is more accurate? A zero for not turning in or a 100 for completion (regardless of accuracy)?
also in how we help kids see there own progress. Like leaving breadcrumb trail of learning.
Good point--what ways do you measure confidence, engagement, empowerment, inspiration?
effort is part of work habits mark. Grades=deficit model;focus on talents as Yong Zhao suggests
my students worked in groups on a Kahoot about quadratics, they were being assessed, they had fun, no "grade".
I always say to Ss, if everyone doesn't do well then I'm the one that really didn't do well.
IS IT TIME FOR STUDENTS TO GRADE TEACHERS? PARENTS? OTHER STUDENTS?
agreed --- look at how hard they work at video games and YouTube -- no grades there
Mindshift first, specifics second.
...sort of seems like that's the way it should always be...
effort can=learning; not everything I try is successful, but I learn from it.
Districts must communicate the positive changes in grading, assessment & learning, which is vital for community support.
this is our "report card" we help kids keep track of forward movement, journey not destination. https://t.co/aSsibi0flh
I've been reading about the equity issues related to homework--affecting me greatly.
Good teachers should never have to give out bad grades. If they are teaching well enough, students will always succeed!
why not? I ask for my students' input.
I always allowed parents to select the Ts for their kids.
Hence the push for gaming to be included in curriculum. Some see it as a magic bullet.
Parents and teachers really enjoy reading and listening to Ss reflections.
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I don't think tests are good measurement of even the things not on the graphic! The things we give tests for.
True, but the difficult issue here is the standards--some Ss are not ready for the imposed standards
Name 3 industries that grade like schools do. Restaurants are one.
becoming very interested in this Tom - who should I follow?
Students should grade teachers.
we are so desperate to quantify that we don't care if the measure meets a standard or not.
I use gaming when I can. I use for behavior and to learn from
We see this constantly with "Is this graded?" It's as if it is not, why bother learning it. Not good! https://t.co/aeV7FwVanF
Kohn’s summary of 80 yrs of research show grades diminish motivation, discourage intellectual risks, and promote superficial recall
. That's how runs clicker quizzes. In groups of 2, ss discuss which A is correct & why
learning does not have to = success; learning comes from failure too, but without effort how is either possible?
Don't follow me I'm just wing'n it.
"once get gd people in e door, you had better offer them somethg good" How can we keep gd people in our sch?
*their. Dang it! Typing too quickly! Lol
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agreed, it's time for a change! Grading may keep us from the next novelist because we told them their work deserved a D
When we limit student ability by denying access, we limit how they learn.
. Ss vote after talking. Focus is developing understanding of the question, not grade.
So true--so many positive avenues for change, have to keep taking down those "factory walls" of school.
The goal of each day should be how much students can learn, not how many points they can earn.
It's reflection, reflection, reflection, for both the teacher and learner. How else can we assess learning?
Many edus confuse assessment with grades. Formative assessment needs no grades. Summative assessment can be a show of accomplishment
Never give a discouraging grade--when it gets low, I write RT which means reteach.
I'm a firm believer in teaching towards mastery goals, not performance goals
So important and a skill that needs to be developed in Ss.
Administration? District?
The toughest sell for doing away with grades will be with the parent's. Often, grades are a parent's bragging rights.
Why do we give grades? Where/when did this originate? Just becasue we've been doing it doesn't mean we should continue.
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you need to expose the deep faults in trad. grading how avg's hurt learning I've had PTA forums on
you need to expose the deep faults in trad. grading how avg's hurt learning I've had PTA forums on
In most cases we try to coach all Ss to mastery.
- I assess & value understanding. Hard to assess.Usually comes with the glimmer in eye "I understand" Hard to grade that!
Formative assessment should inform teaching, not grade Ss for what they do not know https://t.co/A6TV7EhtxG
Many edus confuse assessment with grades. Formative assessment needs no grades. Summative assessment can be a show of accomplishment
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The goal of each day should be how much students can learn, not how many points they can earn.
at some point in time there were no grades in ed, we can go back to that; education is socially constructed
If you want to take the excitement or passion out of something, grade it.
Schools need to build in time for reflection. It's so important for the synthesis and growth. https://t.co/QItWseB8su
So important and a skill that needs to be developed in Ss.
Tchrs, stdnts and prnts have all been programmed w/grades for school. Breaking the status quo, bad as it is will be hard
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role/ school is to put child in college.Is structure able to change?Parents feel safe knowing their S is going to college.
New spaces & creative thinking can happen simultaneously w/ new grading systems. Let's make decisions for student learning.
Thanks out to the team of moderators & and to all who participated in this most interesting chat today.
And the only way they know how to judge how well their child is doing.
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Great about grades--you've got me thinking. . . .Thanks to all who contributed! and to moderators and
Parents should know how Ss are doing. How will we teach Ps new ways of measuring Learning? https://t.co/3Orv7tPbtj
Tchrs, stdnts and prnts have all been programmed w/grades for school. Breaking the status quo, bad as it is will be hard
Tired of feeling like I have to make every learning moment "so exciting!" Hard work is equal to "excitement"
Do we have grades because it's easier? Feedback takes time, but the rewards are worth it.
Summative assessments guide students to relearn or learn further toward mastery. https://t.co/NdE5FFeOzl
Many edus confuse assessment with grades. Formative assessment needs no grades. Summative assessment can be a show of accomplishment
To some students, learning can be a byproduct of working for grades. An accidental blessing.
Our philosophy, grades get in the way of learning.
First for me in the books! Thanks
Students would be better served to learn how to empathize...rather than memorize.
Excellent topic tonight on grades. Thanks for the sharing.
