#edchatie Archive

Monday May 22, 2017
3:30 PM EDT
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Welcome to to ight’s #edchatie discussion. As usual, before we begin, please introduce yourself + add the hashtag to all tweets too
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    Hi #edchatie John in Charlottesville
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Hi John, How are things over there? #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo
  • RodsMears May 22 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Surely a level playing field for all in terms of pay is a must. Class size and lifting of POR moratoriums is needed #edchatie
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Fred Boss, second level art teacher, currently with @NCCAie #edchatie
  • RodsMears May 22 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Stop the new initiative as well please unless leaders are going to take saleries of inspectorate and SENO's #edchatie
  • Britannica_IE May 22 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Hello everyone! Jacquelyn listening in to tonight's #edchatie
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    For the next hour on #edchatie we discuss "Education priorities for the next government (whoever they'll be!)" Drop in and take part
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    Brian Fleming, retired pp principal interested in educ disadvantage #edchatie
    • RodsMears May 22 @ 3:35 PM EDT
      Surely a level playing field for all in terms of pay is a must. Class size and lifting of POR moratoriums is needed #edchatie
  • EllenKMetcalf May 22 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Redeeming teaching as an attractive career including pay equalisation. Serious scrutiny of the evidence base for #jcreform #edchatie
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    LPT issue must be top priority for all teacher unions #edchatie
    In reply to @EllenKMetcalf
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    #edchatie Laurence Cuffe MathTutor KWETB, ocasional TEL expert! Happy to have a Monday free to join discusion
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Welcome along to tonight's #edchatie where wew're discussing "Education priorities for the next government (whoever they'll be!)"
    In reply to @CuffeL
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    #edchatie 90% of educational time is predicated on assessment, We could move away from that bias, and towards freeform subject engagement
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Pam, Maths and Computer Science lecturer in Tipperary #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    sounds like a plan Laurence :) #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL
  • EdChatEU May 22 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Education should be a priority itself for all governments (whoever they'll be). #edchatie
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Need continued Institute of Tech revamp to produce leaders of home-grown industry to ween us off dependency on foreign companies. #edchatie
  • RodsMears May 22 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Trying to be in touch with reality would be lovely! Start to listen to the experience in the schools. We should know what works! #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    need revamp down the chain also to make this happen ... #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    I'm in the middle of QQI Bureaucracy, and wish I could just teach my students and be d*mned. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • MsDaggsClass May 22 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    @katzb21 @PDST_Hwellbeing @seomraranga Maybe this govt will prioritise developing resilience & support risk taking! #mentalhealth #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    I hear you Laurence. Sometimes it feels like it's more important to tick the box than anything else ... #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Yes but it rarely is; other than in the 1960s it has never been a high priority with any Irish govt. #edchatie
    In reply to @EdChatEU
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    #edchatie I have a theory about that... I think it is down to the amount of teachers we elect as TD's and end up in cabinet.
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    For sure. Aside from the technical skills somehow need to breed that entrepreneurial/industrial mentality like e.g. Germans have. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • LouiseMerrigan May 22 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    #edchatie sorry, late to the chat. Louise from Wicklow, working for an NGO. I think the new govt should invest in our teachers.
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Its Meta. Ticking the box on the form to indicate that you have given your students the form to tick the box on to indicate that.. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • fboss May 22 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Never too late to an #edchatie discussion. Tonight it's all about "Education priorities for the next government (whoever they'll be!)"
    In reply to @LouiseMerrigan
  • MsDaggsClass May 22 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    There's no economic benefit in the short term for any govt & they rarely look beyond the term of their office. Short sighted! #edchatie
    In reply to @bflemingauthor, @EdChatEU
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    hard to do that when the Leaving Cert doesn't reward that! Hard habit to break #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    I agree. @k12albemarle blows out nationwide what we do in Ireland #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    and round we all go :) #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL
  • EdChatEU May 22 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    Who is responsible from this? Govts? Teachers? Parents? Educators? .... #edchatie
    In reply to @bflemingauthor
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    #edchatie voters at the end of the day - parents and teachers
    In reply to @EdChatEU, @bflemingauthor
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Hey John! Hope the US is treating you well. Thanks for the tip here by the way. Must check them out. #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle
  • LouiseMerrigan May 22 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    We all are I reckon #edchatie
    In reply to @EdChatEU, @bflemingauthor
  • LouiseMerrigan May 22 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Can the SDGs help? SDG4 esp on quality education for all #edchatie
    In reply to @EdChatEU, @bflemingauthor
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    A possible explanation but I wonder do we care about the rights of young people other than those in our immediate circle #edchatie
    In reply to @MsDaggsClass, @EdChatEU
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Correct, we have to normalise enterprise and risk taking, rather than always assuming our students are going to be employees #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Agreed Pam. I see little evidence that the LC breeds confidence or independent, proactive entrepreneurship in young people. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:00 PM EDT
    That's exactly it in a nutshell! #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @pamelaaobrien
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:00 PM EDT
    seeing that more and more over the past few years. Needs a new perspective from all stakeholders #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:01 PM EDT
    Love it John, keep 'em coming! #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:01 PM EDT
    We're halfway through tonight's #edchatie discussion and it's also the penultimate one for this academic year
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    #edchatie working here has changed my thinking about education... TBH ACPS might have ruined me for classroom teaching back in Ireland
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    he's @csratliff I think John #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab, @csratliff
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    #edchatie Ira can be a bad influence :-O
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    It breeds a sense of inadequacy and panic. LC makes our students feel like they weren't good enough, whatever points they get! #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    You have a new government in the US, so based on tonight's #edchatie what are their education priorities?
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    #edchatie he is .... forgot the s when looking for it
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab, @csratliff
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    you need to come back and share your insights John :) #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • LouiseMerrigan May 22 @ 4:05 PM EDT
    Scratch that. I think every govt everywhere should invest in teachers #edchatie
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:05 PM EDT
    Ira can be a bad influence? is a bad influence is probably what you meant to say! evidence based Disruptive thinking is good! #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:05 PM EDT
    @irasocol & @pammoran have had profound influence on how @ICTedu has evolved since their keynote 2012 - difference perspective #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab, @irasocol, @pammoran, @ICTedu
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    3 priorities; restore common basic scale; direct resources to most in need; produce properly costed manifestos not like in 2016 #edchatie
  • miriambergin May 22 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    #edchatie new gov needs to create equality in schools, why do private schools get money from gov, should invest more in ETB sch. #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    absolutely - has become all about the points. Such a narrow focus good for no one #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @EoinLenihan
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    #edchatie a prophet in his own land is never recognized
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    Valuing the principle "if you are not failing, you are not learning!" #edchatie
    In reply to @MsDaggsClass
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    "z" = "s" in recognised. They've turned you! (or will you blame the US keyboard?!) #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @pamelaaobrien, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • bflemingauthor May 22 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    Absolutely agree Miriam #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    I was just talking about a flying visit home John ... for now at least :) #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    Agreed. End the process clapped out, anxiety-riddled and insecure. That hardly breeds leaders. #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @pamelaaobrien
  • johnmayo May 22 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    #edchatie what we miss in Ireland is vision&real innovation.Who is the @pammoran inthe ETB's? Would that person hire @irasocol or @csratliff
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    Thanks for the tips Pam! #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @johnmayo, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab, @irasocol, @pammoran, @ICTedu
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    can see the effect in my own house already and we are a year away #edchatie
    In reply to @EoinLenihan, @CuffeL
  • miriambergin May 22 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    #edchatie new gov needs to find way to reward/motivate tchrs eg. could we work our fulltime hours in FOUR days a week? #edchatie
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    Hi there. #edchatie
    In reply to @csratliff, @johnmayo, @pamelaaobrien, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:12 PM EDT
    Interesting. #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin
  • EllenKMetcalf May 22 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    Curriculum-wise we need to prioritise knowledge. Right now we're repeating mistakes of 1990s UK. Cautionary tale here. #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    we need to hear your new perspective this side of the pond John #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @EoinLenihan, @k12albemarle, @ReinventEDLab
  • miriambergin May 22 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    #edchatie new gov needs to place value on teaching ICT skills, some schools have no ICT classes until TY. how is this acceptable
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    Exactly, its about Learning stuff, not about certifying it. #edchatie
    In reply to @EllenKMetcalf
  • LouiseMerrigan May 22 @ 4:16 PM EDT
    Interesting video #edchatie...a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water?
    In reply to @EllenKMetcalf
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:17 PM EDT
    ah but if you can't prove you've learnt it can we trust that you have ... :) I jest of course! #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • clairenichan May 22 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    They could but they wouldn't! Would be too afraid of how it would look to the public. #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:19 PM EDT
    Interesting - so how then wuld students gain credentials, so they can prove they have a certain skillset? #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:20 PM EDT
    not saying that we don't need assessment Fred but the assessment has now become the be all and end all IMHO #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • henrymartin1 May 22 @ 4:20 PM EDT
    The number of students with a learning need has increased from approx 18% to 28% in 10 years. Investment hasnt matched increase #edchatie
  • Woodsiem May 22 @ 4:21 PM EDT
    Aine Woods -science teacher on secondment and late to chat #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    seeing very little evidence of learning for learning's sake anymore. If I hear how would you ask that in an exam one more time! #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • FoleyKev May 22 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    Kevin here a Teaching Principal with Irelands first and only School STEAM Room joining late #edchatie
  • EoinLenihan May 22 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    That's an astonishing number. What are the major areas at the moment that need investment? #edchatie
    In reply to @henrymartin1
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    Teaching at University level in the US, I was astounded at how informal assessment was. #edchatie Should be go/no go not grades and %ages
    In reply to @fboss, @pamelaaobrien, @EllenKMetcalf
  • FoleyKev May 22 @ 4:24 PM EDT
    Let's teach from the heart and not from the book or to the test #edchatie
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    I get what you're saying - but wondering how it can be kept in proportion to the learning or to what it is needed for later on? #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • CuffeL May 22 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    We put artificial end points on learning by saying "this is what you need to know" Very destructive #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @fboss, @EllenKMetcalf
  • FuturewiseIE May 22 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    #edchatie Hi Lucy from Futurewise Fingal just caught the end of this chat.
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    You've just made it for tonight's famous final five minutes as we discuss Ed priorities for next govt (whoever they'll be!) #edchatie
    In reply to @Woodsiem
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    I have found in the past that the assessment where students need to make something (e.g. website/mobile app etc) work well #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • fboss May 22 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    Feel free to add in tweets after the official hour too as they'll all be compiled in the #edchatie transcript tomorrow
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    good way to test real learning I've found but not suitable for all subjects. Some students struggle with lack of scaffolding tho #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @CuffeL, @EllenKMetcalf
  • clairenichan May 22 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    #edchatie Gov needs to make exams less predictable. Less teaching to the test and more teaching the actual subject matter.
    In reply to @fboss
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  • dhubhda May 22 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    #edchatie need diversity in teaching - Irish language requirement, S 37 etc will impede this. Needs sorting.
    In reply to @fboss, @Woodsiem
  • pamelaaobrien May 22 @ 4:29 PM EDT
    couldn't agree more Laurence. Eyes glaze over when realisation hits that something may not be in the exam. I'm generalising obvs #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @fboss, @EllenKMetcalf