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drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #UMCOEd diversity chat 1! We will be discussing equality and fairness. Welcome All!

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:00 PM EDT

I would like to introduce @McTchrEducator & @drlatofia our other moderators tonight. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Welcome all---hop in at any time! #UMCOEd https://t.co/dm7QNQNbXZ

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #UMCOEd diversity chat 1! We will be discussing equality and fairness. Welcome All!

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Here’s a list of questions. We will go a little slower tonight; we have many people new to chats #UMCOEd https://t.co/gAuAawCCTS

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Please take a minute to introduce yourself, tell us where you are tweeting from and your job/title #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Hi, Jennifer Ray from University of Montevallo. IT Professor & co- moderator. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:02 PM EDT

I'm Anna--elem educator at heart! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:03 PM EDT

#UMCOEd Question Schedule Q1--8:10 Q2--8:22 Q3--8:34 Q4--8:46

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:03 PM EDT

I am Amy Samuels, assistant professor of leadership, tweeting from Bham, AL #UMCOEd

SteeleThoughts Sep 19 @ 9:03 PM EDT

I'm Danny ... principal in Alabaster, AL. May be in and out tonight. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@SteeleThoughts So happy that you're joining our family again, Danny! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Glad you are with us @SteeleThoughts & @aj #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Glad you are with us @SteeleThoughts & @ajs #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@dr_jmwilliams you'll do great! so excited your are here. #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

I'm Cassie- Asst professor at UM #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hi #UMCOEd! I am Amy-chemistry ed specialist w/ AL Math, Sci, & Tech Initiative @Montevallo

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@ajsamuels27 I forgot the #UMCOEd hashtag!!!

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hi! I am Jenifer Williams! I teach science methods, classroom management, and I am supervising 5 awesome interns! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:06 PM EDT

We’ll use Q1...Q2...A1...A2... format for our chat. Don’t forget 2 use #UMCOEd for your tweets & A# to indicate the question ur answering

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:06 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy @Montevallo Welcome, Amy! So glad you could join in tonight! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@DrCRaulston so great to see my tech partner in crime!! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@dr_jmwilliams Of course, I forgot the #UMCOEd hashtag AGAIN!

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:08 PM EDT

******Q1 coming up (2 min. warning)******* #UMCOEd

RebeccaLynnRayl Sep 19 @ 9:08 PM EDT

I am Rebecca Lynn Rayl, Certification Officer and TES Director at UM #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:08 PM EDT

@RebeccaLynnRayl YAY! Glad you're here, Rebecca! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:08 PM EDT

@RebeccaLynnRayl Hello! great to see you here! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:10 PM EDT

Q1: Do you want to be treated “equally” or “fairly” & why? #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:10 PM EDT

So exiting to see @Montevallo COE people and others. It's going to be a great chat. #UMCOEd

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:10 PM EDT

I am Ji Ji Davis and I teach elementary methods courses at University of Montevallo! Glad to be part of my first twitter chat! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1: Depends, generally want to be treated fairly; I may not need/want what others need/want #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@davisjiji6 so excited you are here!! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@davisjiji6 Welcome, JiJi! I am so glad you're here! #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A1: Considering the history of privilege & oppression that has resulted in marginalization of many, I'm all for fair #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A1: what is equal may not be fair for all #UMCOEd

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A1. In general, I would rather be treated fairly, which sometimes might mean equally, but not always. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:12 PM EDT

@ajsamuels27 Great point. the whole notion of "separate but equal" comes to mind here #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:13 PM EDT

@drjray Absolutely. And we continue to witness unequal access and outcomes #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@drjray Historical rhetoric of "equal rights" creates need to clarify current language #UMCOEd

RebeccaLynnRayl Sep 19 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1: I would love to be treated fairly. Fairly is not always equal... #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A1: Tough question but I'm going with fairly. #UMCOed

SteeleThoughts Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A1: I think equity is a noble goal ... and I love this graphic. #UMCOEd https://t.co/6WSQShiCX3

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

@SteeleThoughts Wish we could place this poster in every P16 classroom! #UMCOEd

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A1: I do want to be treated fairly. However, Sometimes I think it depends on WHO determines what is fair:) #UMCOEd

DrAtaylor0815 Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Hello All! I'm Alvin Taylor and proud to be a member of the UMCOE team! #UMCOed

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A1: great edutopia article on equal vs. fair https://t.co/9NhDYp4vTP #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@RebeccaLynnRayl Right. Don't want med doctor to treat me equally, but as I need to be treated! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@DrAtaylor0815 Welcome! #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A1 I would have to go with fairly! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:17 PM EDT

@dr_jmwilliams I'm with you on the "sometimes" but not ALL the time! #UMCOEd

lisabrownedtech Sep 19 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Hello! I'm Lisa Brown, Instructional Technologist at UM. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@davisjiji6 Great point! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Touche, JiJi! Do we trust others to treat us fairly! #UMCOEd https://t.co/nJfiobeu9Y

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A1: I do want to be treated fairly. However, Sometimes I think it depends on WHO determines what is fair:) #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@DrAtaylor0815 Welcome, Alvin! #UMCOEd

lisabrownedtech Sep 19 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A1: I would much rather be treated fairly. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@lisabrownedtech Hi Lisa! Thanks for joining. #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A1: Is there an option c? Equitably? #UMCOEd https://t.co/s26BvMCeph

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:10 PM EDT

Q1: Do you want to be treated “equally” or “fairly” & why? #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:19 PM EDT

@lisabrownedtech Hi, Lisa! Glad you could join us! #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A1: If my son gets an equal share of peanuts for snack it might be equal but not fair since he's allergic to nuts. #UMCOed

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:19 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy interesting question. how would you define the difference? #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:20 PM EDT

******Q2 coming up (2 min. warning)******* #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy I'm thinking equitably is closely aligned with fairness. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@drlatofia I love this example! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@drlatofia Whoah. Good example. He needs an "equitable" snack--not the SAME one! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Q2: Where have you seen or experienced “equal but not fair?” #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@CFenn23 Welcome, Curt! It definitely COULD thwart an individual's willingness to take risks. #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A2: Earlier, the idea of Separate but Equal. While "equal" was the policy things were unequal and unfair. Back to the idea of power #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator I think so also. #UMCOEd

DrAtaylor0815 Sep 19 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@drjray A1: In a perfect world most would pick fair; but you're going to be hard-pressed to get everyone to agree on what "fair" is. #UMCOed

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy AGREE. I actually like the word equitable better than fair. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy Awesome differentiation! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@ajsamuels27 So, similar to what JiJi pointed out...who determines fair? Those in pwr... those w/knowledge...those w/money #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@DrAtaylor0815 @drjray Absolutely agree. Our only hope is dialogue! #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A2: I have seen equal but no fair while working with adolescents with disabilities and their families. #UMCOed

RebeccaLynnRayl Sep 19 @ 9:29 PM EDT

The boys think they need the car grocery cart at Publix. Sometimes, it is not available so we have to get the other yet equal cart #UMCOEd

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A2. Policy is often established for consistent (equal), rather than fair, handling of situations. Each situation is unique. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A2: Wages for men-women; Policies for college-college; distribution of assets when there’s no will #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@DrAtaylor0815 @drjray Great point. At this point we need to consider whose voices are heard and whose are not #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A2: Cannot think of one-most of my examples are unequal and unfair. #UMCOEd https://t.co/iefluBZBv3

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Q2: Where have you seen or experienced “equal but not fair?” #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator all wonderful examples! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@dr_jmwilliams Lots of concern with litigation! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A2: when my kids have different bed times. They both need different amounts of sleep bc they are different ages...fair but not equal #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A2: Families were provided equal services but we're not always fair to meet the needs of the client or his/her family. #UMCOed

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:31 PM EDT

#UMCOEd https://t.co/nmWj5R0Kuh

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:32 PM EDT

******Q3 coming up (2 min. warning)******* #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:32 PM EDT

What a practical way of thinking about it @RebeccaLynnRayl! ;) #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator acknowledging privilege is so important when discussing this topic. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Right. Some families NEED more time, NEED more intervention, NEED more resources. #UMCOEd https://t.co/uY8CryKKS8

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A2: Families were provided equal services but we're not always fair to meet the needs of the client or his/her family. #UMCOed

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:33 PM EDT

And I feel awkward commenting from my position of privilege! #UMCOEd https://t.co/Xn4hF0jEXO

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator acknowledging privilege is so important when discussing this topic. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q3: Where have you seen or experienced “equal that was also fair?” #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator acknowledging it is the best thing you can do. It's the only way to use privilege to help others #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A3: Everyone gets 1 slice pizza B4 anyone gets 2! Fair if no one lacks food. Profs tchng summ classes? Can of worms! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Absolutely a can of worms!! #UMCOEd https://t.co/5or9UxDTo6

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A3: Everyone gets 1 slice pizza B4 anyone gets 2! Fair if no one lacks food. Profs tchng summ classes? Can of worms! #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A2: When health agencies open from 8-5. The hours are equal but not fair to those who work and can't take off during those hours. #UMCOed

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:37 PM EDT

In elementary classrooms, if everyone gets the same amount of time to play computer games, it is both fair AND equal! #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@McTchrEducator "Justice requires those who suffer the least to speak up the most." (p. xi). Love this. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@drlatofia Similar to asking wrkng parents to sign up for tchr conf from 8-5! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@drlatofia I think this about the business hours for lots of places, like daycare for people who work nights. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@dr_jmwilliams Good example--hard to find both! #UMCOEd

RebeccaLynnRayl Sep 19 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A: letting the other parent change the same number of diapers is both fair and equal! ;): #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@RebeccaLynnRayl LOL--Another great example! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A3: @dr_jmwilliams Love!!! In elem. classrooms, if everyone gets the same amount of time to play comp. games, it is fair AND equal! #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A3 At a ballgame, every pays the same amount (usually) for a ticket....it's equal and fair (usually) #UMCOEd

DrAtaylor0815 Sep 19 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@ajsamuels27 @drjray The world needs heroes such as yourself to speak for those who have no platform, and thus, no voice. #UMCOed

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A3: @RebeccaLynnRayl you can tell what world you live in! I live there too! Ha! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@DrCRaulston True-- Unless you're the kid whose parents don't have enough to pay for your ticket. #UMCOEd

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Unless you pay $42 for 6 family members at each game!! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:44 PM EDT

******Q4--Final ? (FQ) coming up (2 min. warning)******* #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:44 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy Perfect example of equal and FAIR! #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A3: And I will train them on site, during school year if they cannot come in summer. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:45 PM EDT

@davisjiji6 Hey---you're taking up all the good seats! @DrCRaulston #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:45 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy Definitely can't complain about lack of fairness, then! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Q4: How can we create classrooms, communities, & workplaces that are more fair? #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A4: Need to have forthright conversations w/sts, tchrs, admins, others about difference btw equal & equitable! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:47 PM EDT

#UMCOEd https://t.co/iTvALWXlF5

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A4. Create policy with ethics and fairness in mind. Harder than "equal", but definitely worth it! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A4: and, don't forget to teach the students what it means, too. https://t.co/J4cpZlzwVE #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:48 PM EDT

This is KEY---requires time & dialogue! Can't be rushed. Requires courage, too! #UMCOEd https://t.co/2FYkOqcPas

dr_jmwilliams Sep 19 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A4. Create policy with ethics and fairness in mind. Harder than "equal", but definitely worth it! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:50 PM EDT

This includes text selections to use with students too! #UMCOEd https://t.co/wX7GmbXoDb

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A4: and, don't forget to teach the students what it means, too. https://t.co/J4cpZlzwVE #UMCOEd

amykfmurphy Sep 19 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A4: We have to build relationships-get to know others and what their needs are-so we can all grow together #UMCOEd https://t.co/58kWC0cg9N

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Q4: How can we create classrooms, communities, & workplaces that are more fair? #UMCOEd

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:52 PM EDT

#4 Courageous conversations for sure! We must encourage dialogue and voice. We can't let it be the elephant in the room #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@amykfmurphy And this requires both the desire & will to ask honest ?s w/o fear of looking silly or offending-- #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A4: Customization to course policies. Asking our students, "how can I support you?" without losing sight of academic rigor. #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:53 PM EDT

@ajsamuels27 you are right. it is easy for that elephant to grow quite large. #UMCOEd https://t.co/QKF21qJYKU

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:52 PM EDT

#4 Courageous conversations for sure! We must encourage dialogue and voice. We can't let it be the elephant in the room #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:53 PM EDT

I hope we're building that kind of culture in our college! #UMCOEd https://t.co/IBQSY3wJkM

ajsamuels27 Sep 19 @ 9:52 PM EDT

#4 Courageous conversations for sure! We must encourage dialogue and voice. We can't let it be the elephant in the room #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:54 PM EDT

This is a hard balance for me @drlatofia I tend to be more equal than fair in applying my class policy #UMCOEd https://t.co/o8MeusLAWp

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A4: Customization to course policies. Asking our students, "how can I support you?" without losing sight of academic rigor. #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:54 PM EDT

@drlatofia Constant tightrope walk, but I think it's possible. Same policies for all, but variation in consequences perhaps? #UMCOEd

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:55 PM EDT

So many good teachers truly think they are being "fair" when they are only treating them "equal" - more training needed! #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A4 Focus on our students and teach them more about fairness #UMCOEd

RebeccaLynnRayl Sep 19 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A4: a good line of communication can help with understanding what is needed to treat others fairly #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@drjray @drlatofia It's the toughest thing we deal with in this age of litigation! #UMCOEd

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:56 PM EDT

We would like to thank everyone for joining us tonight. Come back on Oct. 17, 8PM for more of the #UMCOEd diversity chat

drjray - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A4: great @davisjiji6 many good teachers think they are being "fair" when they are only treating them "equal"- more training needed! #UMCOEd

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:56 PM EDT

And our college has just the profs to do it! Train 'em well! #UMCOEd https://t.co/ulh0bMWmj1

davisjiji6 Sep 19 @ 9:55 PM EDT

So many good teachers truly think they are being "fair" when they are only treating them "equal" - more training needed! #UMCOEd

DrCRaulston Sep 19 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A4 Focus on our students and teach them more about it #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:57 PM EDT

A4: Be willing to acknowledge that academic standardization inherently creates an oppressive environment of learning. #UMCOEd

drlatofia - Moderator Sep 19 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@drjray I think it's hard on most of us including myself #UMCOed

McTchrEducator Sep 19 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@drlatofia ...Because my lrng is never EQUAL to the lrng of another...no matter what! #UMCOEd