#Edtechchat focuses on Education Technology. Co-founder Tom Murray says #edtechchat "connects us professionally with inspiring educators from all over the world, all of who encourage us to be better every day for the children and families we serve.”
Welcome Juliana! There is lots of wisdom on #edtechchat - especially tonight - don't be afraid to try new things - even if they don't work you find out why and can make a difference
@ajpodchaski
My education class is called Technology in Education 209, and Trinity Christian College is home of the Trolls. So, that is where Troll209 comes from ! :) #edtechchat#troll209
@goswivl@RecapThat like I have said in previous weeks - you throw out a few tweets for conferences and events - find a few random people on the chat and send them stuff - makes much more of an impression and generates goodwill #edtechchat
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@goswivl, @RecapThat, @goswivl, @RecapThat
Hey #edtechchat - I love the topic for tonight. Failure is such an important part of learning. Crappy that tonight's a night I can only make part of the chat. :(
N from 🇨🇦 - #edtech creator, cofounder, enthusiast.
Trolls are usually someone who posts lots of things in chats that are unrelated or self-promoting - so you may see a few of those kind in here tonight #edtechchat
Hello everyone! My name is Morgan. I am currently a student at IUPUI pursuing a degree in Elementary Education! Excited to talk about failure! #EDW200#edtechchat
@ajpodchaski
My education class is called Technology in Education 209, and Trinity Christian College is home of the Trolls. So, that is where Troll209 comes from ! :) #edtechchat#troll209
Let's eliminate the words: "fail" & "failure" from our teaching vocabulary. I feel @TG_Neil is correct about not using the term "fail" or "failure." @nathanstevens83 uses the word "opportunities" instead of fail. My Learning from Mistakes page https://t.co/Pp3FEDefAf#edtechchat
Hi #edtechchat! I'm Matt, a volunteer educator for high school computer science! Love the topic, getting our program of the ground involved lots of different failures and learning from them.
Let's eliminate the words: "fail" & "failure" from our teaching vocabulary. I feel @TG_Neil is correct about not using the term "fail" or "failure." @nathanstevens uses the word "opportunities" instead of fail. My Learning from Mistakes page https://t.co/Pp3FEDefAf#edtechchat
Yes! The idea has not been lost. @nathan_stevens and @mrterborg have also been kind enough to share their insights. Looking for a time when the dust is settled. Is there such a thing? #edtechchat
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@ajpodchaski, @KClevering, @nathan_stevens, @mrterborg
Hmm, I agree that failure often leads to opportunities, but I don't see failure as a bad thing. I think it's got a bad rap. And I think watching kids play games and how quickly they'll embrace failure there, shows it can be seen as a positive. #edtechchat
A1: some of my first impressions with the word fail was that it was bad, meant you didn’t know what you were doing, incompetency...little did I know failure could be very beneficial to learning #edtechchat
Hi, my name is Juliana! I will be joining your chat for tonight. I will be student teaching soon, and I was wondering if any of you educators had any tips for a new teacher! Thanks! #edtechchat#edfb4338 Sorry for posting again I forgot to tag my class.
A1 I spent a few years in parochial school. Failure was bbaaaaaddd. Even after that, failure was made to feel like a hole that you couldn't climb out of. No reflection, no processing, no learning from the mistake. Just silence and avoidance. #edtechchat
A1: Failing wasn't looked as negatively; I don't remember really talking about it much. We always looked forward on how to fix whatever it was that did not work out for us #edtechchat
A1 - It always seemed like an end point at school. But, I was lucky (or so I thought at the time) and didn't really ever encounter it. Growing up and grad school (and video games) taught me that failure is an important step in the learning process. #edtechchat
A1: For me in high school, fail was a four letter word and unacceptable...and it certainly kept me busy working. Fear of failure made my everyday life more difficult, and often kept me from doing what I truly wanted #edtechchat
A1: The word "Fail" has transformed for me across the years. "Fail" at one time meant I lost and need to give up. Now "Fail" means a valuable learning opportunity to fix mistakes and try it all over again, only to do it even better the next time around! #EdTechChat
I'm split here: "fail" has a lot of connotations that are good to move away from, but at the same time, we lose out on the chance to redefine the word failure as a positive. #edtechchat
I think it's really hard to understand success without having experienced failure. Or at least, you often get a false impression of success (and your own abilities) if failure isn't part of the process. #edtechchat
I could call it "unicorn farts" if it is the lowest on the scale and not an A it will still bother students. The problem isn't the labels but how we measure. #edtechchat
Agreed - failure from an engineering/design standpoint has no negative connotations - it just mean the design will not work for the intended use #edtechchat
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@try_rebooting, @cybraryman1, @TG_Neil
A1) depends on context. In courses where I typically didn't do well, and was disengaged, failure was bad. When I did well, I was engaged, and failures were opportunities to learn more. #edtechchat
A2: I see failure much more as a waypoint in the learning process - not everything works the right way the first time - so we must always try again for the desired outcome #edtechchat
A2: As an educator I've realized that failure is far from an end point. Failure is a moment to learn and grow from. #FailingForward is a vital life skill. The path to success is very rarely a straight line.
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I think it's really hard to understand success without having experienced failure. Or at least, you often get a false impression of success (and your own abilities) if failure isn't part of the process. #edtechchat
A2: I have had a total paradigm shift about failure since becoming an educator. I allow my students to fail w/o it lowering their score and remind them failure is just our brain growing. #edtechchat
A2 - For students, failing no longer seems like an opportunity for future learning or learning from mistakes (e.g., failing a test, assignment) #edtechchat
A2: now it's an opportunity to learn b/c its followed by descriptive feedback - before the focus was the grade and not the comments on how to improve. #edtechchat
Before it is built - failure is safe - after it is build failure is dangerous - but many things can be avoided if we are willing to try things and test them out #edtechchat
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@jgmac1106, @try_rebooting, @cybraryman1, @TG_Neil
A2 Failure is part of the learning process. We understand that Ss are bldg understanding &, in efforts to connect the dots, will fall short. We provide space & time for Ss to reflect on errors, support, grow, and extend their learning. #edtechchat
A2) Failing has changed quite a bit. Instead of a fail being the be all end all, it has become a starting point for learning. A fail is no longer the end, it is now the beginning #edtechchat
A2) Its gotten much more positive. No students are failures - they're only struggling with the content, and I should make sure I'm doing my best at my half of our edu bargin. #edtechchat
You are a teacher and learner now....
Whoever teaches learns in the act of teaching , and whoever learns teaches in the act of learning-Paulo Friere #edtechchat
A2: It has changed for me know thinking I will not only fail myself, but I could also potentially fail my future students by my own actions. That is a huge fear of mine !!! #edtechchat#troll209
Good. Watching a video on gender equity. I guess my 4 years of teaching at an all girls school that celebrates the passing of Title IX didn’t teach me as much as a crappy movie from the 90’s. #edtechchat
A2 for me, I have eliminated the word fail and failure from my vocabulary. I look at using choice and opportunity as a way to look at process learning #edtechchat
A2: The older I get, the more comfortable I am with my learning through failure. I really enjoy it as it unrolls in the classroom...to be “human” with my students and press on together. #edtechchat
A2: For my Ss, if they fail, we get ready for "REDOS." It's their opportunity to learn from any failures and sometimes it more valuable that learning it the first time around. It wasn't always that way for me or my Ss. It's a changed mindset. #edtechchat
A2: In the beginning of my teaching career, grading and failure were a constant headache for me and students. I learned over time that failure was an opportunity to learn and succeed. The ideas behind #GrowthMindset really liberated me. #edtechchat
This was part of my language when I coached HS basketball. There were countless possibilities on every play but some were better decisions than others. What did the situation present? What was the choice? How did that work out? Learn from the experience. #edtechchat
A2: Having gradebook instant access focuses students more on the letter grade than learning process; students are less willing to take risk in fear of lowering grade -- It has hurt students as many are in constant fear of failure #edtechchat
Yes revolt against entering weekly grades in power school to appease parents who haven't accepted that their child can strive to an acceptable level of mediocrity. #Edtechchat
A2: only recently has it changed to a positive in SOME schools. More admin looking for that reflection where we demonstrate growth. Early on, it meant getting fired. #edtechchat
I just asked my 16-year-old daughter, Zena, what failure means to her. She said, " I have to try harder. If you fall down 7 times, get up 8!" I totally agree! #edtechchat
A2: Failure to me as an educator is WELCOME! I even try to model this for students with things like retakes and corrections available to show the learning is more important than the grade! For myself, I no longer have that fear to fail, especially in my lessons. #edtechchat
A3: I don't think "fail" indicates growth - it identifies an opportunity for growth or a need to change direction, but is not growth just because we "fail" #edtechchat
A3: I think you can use another word if desired, however, I think the powerful part of the whole topic is the concept of growth and constant improvement. "Fail" is simply a well known/used term.
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I just asked my 16-year-old daughter, Zena, what failure means to her. She said, " I have to try harder. If you fall down 7 times, get up 8!" I totally agree! #edtechchat
That's true. That mindset has to exist for teachers and administrators, and I have seen that change too, which is just a breath of fresh air! #edtechchat
A3: I like adding the word "yet" to my students description of failure. It's not that they have failed, they just have not learned it...yet. #edtechchat
A3: I think we should use "You'll get it next time!" instead of fail, because the word fail does not encourage a student to want to grow, it makes them want to give up. #edtechchat
A3: Isn’t that called learning? When we conquer the fear of failure and experience the growth of challenges, isn’t that when the real learning happens? That’s what I find in my classroom. #edtechchat
A3: Yeah, I feel young children need positive encouragement instead of negative feedback. Us as educators need to come up with a word to use instead of fail. I would hate for children/ students to feel the same anxiety I did when I heard the word Fail. #edtechchat#troll209
The only failure is one in which students aren’t provided an opportunity to learn and grow from their mistakes. Need to redefine what it means to “fail” #edtechchat
In my defense I try to hock #edtech tools I build (but actually do real validity studies) https://t.co/7O2CfoKH5p maybe if I had bad research I could get more inbounds. #Edtechchat
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@ajpodchaski, @nathan_stevens, @rickeducation, @try_rebooting, @cybraryman1, @TG_Neil
We do if our focus is improving education for our students. We can’t fail every day, but we need to try new approaches when older ones aren’t working. If we continue without taking risks, when does change happen? #edtechchat
A3: Yes, We can an do use other terms. With subjects that are easy to measure, like math, we talk a lot about calculation errors, or careless mistakes. It helps for kids to know what type of mistakes they're making; it makes it easier to correct and learn from them. #edtechchat
When talking about process learning with young students, you have to be cognizant of what they tell their parents. Parents will relate their bias on certain words #edtechchat
I don't think failure = negative feedback. Watch any kid/player play a video game and how often they'll be *excited* when they're character dies. There are negative penalties to this, but players just get up and try again. #edtechchat
I think we should be more like - did it work - No? then what can we do to make it work the right way, or figure out the problem differently? #edtechchat
Albert Einstein's teachers thought that he was incompetent and couldn't be taught. His mother taught him knowing that his teachers were wrong. I know for me that sometimes failure pushes me even harder to prove people wrong that said I couldn't do it. #edtechchat#edfb4338
A3: we need to come from a strength mindset not a deficit mindset - what did the student do well? Celebrate that and then talk about how they can grow ... #edtechchat
"the most persistent students do not ruminate about their own failure much at all but instead think of mistakes as problems to be solved." https://t.co/i0C8tTxQE5#edtechchat
hmm lemee start my #edtechchat buzzword soup: iterate, design thinking, formative, fail forward, first attempt in learning, did i miss any? #edtechcthat
You touched on a great point! Taking risks can involve failure, and if we are going to take more risks as learners, we know it may and will involve failure at time! #edtechchat
Also, I don't think failure = learning opportunity.
Failure: didn't meet your goal
Learning Opportunity: Reflecting on an action and gathering knowledge to use in the future.
Learning Opportunities happen with both success *AND* failure. #edtechchat
Excellent point! Talking to students who then relay those messages to their parents in like a giant game of telephone in which the message morphs with each iteration. #edtechchat
we have to provide Ss with the strategies and resources to be able to work on their next steps and model for them...on their next piece of work, have them explicitly state what they did based on the feedback from their previous work. #edtechchat
Explicitly teaching students that success is not a straight line. We do a reflection piece on what worked, what didn't work and we would do differently next time. Focusing on learning skills #edtechchat
A4: we have to provide Ss with the strategies and resources to be able to work on their next steps and model for them...on their next piece of work, have them explicitly state what they did based on the feedback from their previous work. #edtechchat
A4 Conferencing is a big part of what we do. Goal setting first. I journal our conversations & Ss are asked to do the same. During the process digital documentation, video/analog reflections, and dialogue journals all play a part in tracking learning. #edtechchat
we have to provide Ss with the strategies and resources to be able to work on their next steps and model for them...on their next piece of work, have them explicitly state what they did based on the feedback from their previous work. #edtechchat
A4: have Ss blog or use journals to reflect on their learning and growth based on the work completed over time. Have parents respond as well and Ts....everyone on same page. #edtechchat
I believe the more we work together to take these risks, the less failures we’ll see. By bouncing ideas off each other and supporting each other our planned risks will result in more success than failure. #edtechchat
A4: I tend to blog the good and the bad, though not enough. For my students, I help them by keeping a running spreadsheet of all the written feedback I give them, and congratulate hitting new failures and avoiding old. #edtechchat
A4: During #personalizedlearning, when Ss are collaborating and creating, we expect to have many failures at first. In fact, we celebrate all the failures we have, because they're valuable lessons to tweak our inventions to make them even better! #edtechchat
Q4: As a student, I am always trying to reflect on my work and progress as a learner. Even if I fail to meet a goal one time, doesn’t mean I can’t achieve it the next time! I use failure as motivation to achieve my goals #edtechchat#EDW200
Explicitly teaching students that success is not a straight line. We do a reflection piece on what worked, what didn't work and we would do differently next time. Focusing on learning skills #edtechchat
A4: When I become a teacher, I hope to track my students process of learning when failures happen by reassuring them that they can only improve from here:) #edtechchat
Final shameless trolling plug of the night. I have room in my calendar, bring me to your school. Let's do something cool. https://t.co/wkEiqs7CO1#edtechchat
A4: I am not currently a teacher, but I love this idea!!! I feel like I would use this to track learning also !!! Thank you for the tip Tim Hebda #edtechchat#troll209
A4 Conferencing is a big part of what we do. Goal setting first. I journal our conversations & Ss are asked to do the same. During the process digital documentation, video/analog reflections, and dialogue journals all play a part in tracking learning. #edtechchat
Q4: I have my students make a goal if they fail or fall short. I want them to reflect on what I and they can do the next time to help reach that goal. #edtechchat
Here is the truth. Opinions of reading are pretty set by 1st grade and almost impossible to change after 4th grade. #edtechchat We must have students succeed with words (Tech is a literacy issue not a tool issue)
It is good practice in order to track learning. For me, the true benefit is the relationship that grows from these conversations. That is where the partnership develops to allow for failures to be turned into learning moments. #edtechchat#PST
One of the K classes in my . building set a goal to learn 100 sight words and reach DRA level 8 by the end of the school year. Ss set the goal #edtechchat
We now get to see folks failure on a massive scale almost instantly. Kind of scary for kids facing collapsing contexts of school, peers, and society. #edtechchat
I see the advancements in gaming and the infusion of #edtech as instilling a "give it a go" attitude. Ss are more willing to take leaps of faith knowing that if they fall short they will get good feedback. #edtechchat
A5: Technology has accelerated the onset of failure (prototyping, testing, etc.) but also the growth and iterations following it. It has also exponentially grown collaboration possibilities.
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We too often turn to sight words. K students recognizing a 100 sight words? Personal opinion but focus on decoding first then sight words, but K is good time to introduce #edtechchat
A5 - It's much easier than it's ever been to do things over and over and over again. And to get instant feedback, so that we don't find out about "failures" until weeks later, which makes it easier to use them as a learning opportunity #edtechchat
A5: Using online games to quiz our knowledge such as kahoot or quizlet can make students want to overcome their failures (so they can win the game, get a perfect score, etc.) #edtechchat
A5: Technology allows us unlimited attempts when achieving our goals. It is so easy to undo/redo a problem with technology. Using technology is like a game with unlimited attempts. #EDW200#edtechchat
Yeah, I understand. This was the students goal - 100 words. Not sure if they were sight or other. Just impressed that the students set the goal #edtechchat
A5: Evolution of #edtech has made it easier to for Ss to try and fail without stigma or pain. Look at whole #gaming movement. Getting killed along the road is just part of the journey. New body, new life, new opportunity. #edtechchat
A5: We use @Seesaw in class a lot for a variety of purposes. We document our progress and learn to make tweaks from our mistakes; we self-assess and reflect on our work and the work of others. It's a great tool for growth! #edtechchat
A5: I have seen students that would have failed without technology suddenly become successful. From providing multiple chances at mastery, to adaptive curriculum, to individualized instruction, failure is no longer occurring as often in the past. #edtechchat
Yes - and opportunities to re-try. Before, you took a test and your score was final. Now, you can play a quiz over and over until you master it. It's not one and done. #edtechchat
A5: Its made me be more conscious and critical of what it means to be a "failing" or "succeeding" classroom or school. You aren't good just because you have tech, and aren't bad just because you don't have much of it. #edtechchat
Tech brought in sense of tinkering that we lost in school. Writing should still be this way tweaking words like code. It's all text structure. I find poetry in Python. #edtechchat
A5: I feel like technology has only benefited teachers and students both. With technology, students can compare their work to the video games they play. Try, try, try again just like in video games when something does not go the way it was first intended. #edtechchat#troll209
A6 - Anything. And it's always good to remember that failure can be funny too. The pic below was when I was building a game during grad school. The skin texture decided to be translucent. But ghost girl was good for a laugh. #edtechchat
A6 Student blogging & video reflections can document the learning process. Ideation, to first attempt in learning (fail), to feedback & continued iterations leading to success. They can be shared & act as an invitation to further discussion, expansion of work. #edtechchat
A6: Kahoot is a tool that I have really liked as a student and feel like I could use in the classroom as a teacher. It would motivate my students even if they fail to keep trying until they master the task at hand. #edtechchat#troll209
A6: There's so much out there! Adaptive technology I have to say has been a great way to turn failures to successes. When kids persevere and work through a challenge, they see their improvement. They're driving their own bus! It's transformed learning in my class! #edtechchat
A friend and I wrote a checkers game and AI for a class. It mostly worked, except the AI could sometimes convert your pieces to its color. The "aggressive evangelist" never lost a game, or missed a laugh. #edtechchat
What other tools would you suggest since I am only a preservice teacher and student? Would love to gain more knowledge and as much as possible. #edtechchat#troll209
A6: I believe in the power of the authentic narrative. Tell stories that involve overcoming failure, Share them in blogs, vlogs, slides, presentations, whatever. Our journeys matter and can inspire others. #edtechchat
