#OhEdChat Archive
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Wednesday April 13, 2016
Welcome to Tonight's Topic is Learning. Please introduce yourself.
Julie from Pick Schools reporting in
Tonight's format is a little different. I will post statements, and you can react to it.
Hi everyone Lori from Canal Winchester, OH joining in for
Lizzie from Ashland High School!
Hello All -- Dennis -- Middle School Principal, Long Island, NY. Ready for an excellent
Sierra, special ed major at Ohio University. Can't wait to try out this new format!
Lance principal of a k-5 building and k-3 building in SE Missouri.
Brian, HS principal from Mass., stopping by for a few minutes (before I finish my book tonight!!)
Good evening, Eagerly aspiring school administrator, current Intervention Specialist from Woodridge in CF, OH.
Love the format! Can't wait to respond, read and learn!
Thanks for being here again Lori! Always bring great insight
Garry Young, Principal - Zanesville High School. Missed a few weeks of to take care of the new baby.
Nancy Sulla, author and creator of the Learner-Active, Technology-Infused Classroom - checking in
Ray HS Principal. Glad to be part of best PD going!
Ryan Rismiller, AP Marion Harding High School
Hannah, Early Childhood education major from OSU checking in!
Thanks for being here Lizzie
It's all about the dialogue tonight.
Hi , I'm Leslie from ON but currently in MX. I drive through OH twice yearly! :D
Thanks for joining Dennis! We always appreciate your thoughts
No'el from New Lex ready to change it up tonight!
Hello-Carol ELA Consultant from Long Island here to chat with friends!
Toby Fischer, AP Franklin Heights HS
Greetings everyone! Alisa from . Excited for the conversation.
thanks for dropping in, Dennis!
Paul, AP from Morgan High
Char, Curr. Director from Bay Village OH & OH Instructional Advocate
Maggie Bolado, Science 7th, South Texas
Sounds interesting Jeremy!
Thanks for joining! Great place for college Ss to get connected
Flattered there were choices.
Finishing reading Franzen's PURITY.
https://t.co/a5JxYTyVUJ
book? Do share. Reading one or writing one?
glad to see you here, Julie! Hope all is well in Pick!
Cathy Sankey former principal Dublin Jerome HS and Thought Leader of See. Believe. Do.
Thanks for joining from Mizzou!
thanks! This is my second time! I'm hooked
Always good to learn alongside
glad you are here, Reuben! Welcome back!
Good Evening! Tom form Cincinnati, Associate Superintendent
Hi all. Ted, Middle School Principal from MO ready for
I hope we can get more interaction between the participants tonight.
Glad you could make it Ryno!
Tonight's is indeed intriguing.
Proud of the college students checking in!
HA! Love the hop in your step, your giddy-up! Welcome, Stacy!
Thanks for joining again Hannah
hook, line and sinker! Welcome, Ted!
Statement #1
Learning is an event.
KD! Thanks for sharing tonight
Tom from Cincinnati, Associate Superintendent
Thanks for jumping in Jon
Thanks, ecited to be with my group on Wednesday evenings!
glad to be able to present again!
welcome, Chris! What. A. Week!
Statement #1 is posted. Please react.
Learning is an event. It shouldn't be something that happens to you but an experience.
writing one is on the bucket list. Right?
Glad you could make it Toby
Well said https://t.co/DDaawbxgod
Learning is an event. It shouldn't be something that happens to you but an experience.
R1: I wish. Most events are exciting! Too often, learning isn't.
As long as everyone finishes, it doesn't matter how long it took them right?
welcome to . is throwing out the questions tonight.
Response #1: Learning is ongoing, continuous, whereas an event sounds stand-alone, a one-off thing and then it's done.
Joan. Grade 6-8 ELA gifted specialist from Gahanna.
Alright, I'm here and honored to learn with everyone tonight.
A1: Learning is more than an event. It's life.
Response 1: Learning is a fundamental action.
Thanks for joining Alisa! Glad you could join!
When learning happens to you, there is no student ownership, which means no real/deep learning.
First thing that comes to mind is learning is a marathon. Training, dedication, challenge, and support.
Learning is a feast. We come to the table eager to taste the delights of knowledge & create new WONDER-filled recipes.
A1: One that, at its most effective, can be unplanned.
But, does it matter when the event happens?
welcome, Alisa! Do you work with pre-service T's by chance?
Unsure w/ new format, but learning is an investment, process to be sure. Best seen in a positive environment w/ strong relation
Learning is a process. An event has a start and stop time. When conditions are right, learning never stops.
brain yoga happens Wednesday evenings via
Learning is an event. Participants should be engaged, excited, and wanting more when the day is over!
Saying hello to and participate a bit--early morning tomorrow AM. Tricia Ebner, GIS from Stark County, always learning.
Jodie , IS from central Ohio! Ready to grow with my fav Wednesday night groupies!
Learning transforms. Changes the brain.
For me, learning is ongoing. I might learn from an event, but learning is the event.
agreed! Lifelong and ever changing! We can never stop learning.
YES! https://t.co/Di3tcos5kp
A4 gbl keeps the class and Ss interested in whats going to happen, gives them a chance to learn collaboratively
Learning defines life and values towards life
If learning happens to you, is it learning?
A1. Learning is a journey, the "event" is just one stop along the way.
make it four times, or six, or... welcome tonight, regardless!
Thanks for being here Stacy! It's been a while
Chuck Banks, AP at Gahanna-Lincoln HS, poppin in a little late
S1: that seems confining...an event is at a given place/time learning is everywhere all the time.
Experience to be shared with colleagues and students to bring wonder to each day.
Eric principal from Beaver Local Middle School
Absolutely agree! https://t.co/U0r6tY5fMJ
Learning is an event. Participants should be engaged, excited, and wanting more when the day is over!
last crumble of the night. Promise.
Not at all, I am wondering if it's accurate to call something an event if it never stops?
TRY AGAIN:
For me, learning is ongoing. I might learn from an event, but learning is not THE event.
Statement #1: Learning CAN be an event--flash of insight, a-ha moment . . . but it's not limited to that.
R1: Events take planning, have a purpose, are worth going to, you leave knowing more than when you got there - Just like learning
I think learning is a process not an event. It's something we do all the time. Not a place we go.
A1: Learning is not an event, it's a process. Events end, processes do not.
you are checked! Welcome to .
Good point. I never thought of it that way.
It's the event that is filled with wonder and continuous adventures.
A1: some events lead you to the unknown! Ss come in expecting to learn, but the event takes them to a new place to discover!
Hello Carol - glad you could make it
BAM ===>
Cousins unite in this thought!
https://t.co/71xfVKXoLD
A1: Learning is not an event, it's a process. Events end, processes do not.
Reaction builds meaning. Explain this more.
Learning should never stop. In today's world we can always grow & improve through our access to connect and collaborate
S1 There is a moment when cognitive dissonance is resolved and you have learning!
i like the word "journey" - do we ever arrive? My answer would be, no. https://t.co/vZEk6JHjeh
A1. Learning is a journey, the "event" is just one stop along the way.
Is life an event? I suppose it can be; we can call anything whatever we want in the end!
I love this. https://t.co/MV9WWqhBM9
TRY AGAIN:
For me, learning is ongoing. I might learn from an event, but learning is not THE event.
Jacki here! Just getting in from the Science Extravaganza at my school! Sorry I'm late
R1: I agree, events can lead to learning.
Learning is an active process with actions, reactions and engagement.
Learning is an event: agree, you have to WANT to go & engage. Our job is to make it an engaging event, a can't miss!
In my opinion, learning can take place anywhere, it is an action that allows us to grow.
R1: Learning never ends. Ex. This is a learning event but we don't stop learning when this chat is over.
An analogy--faulty at best: a wedding=event. A marriage is much, much more. Learning is much more.
Lifelong learning is the key to unlocking exciting adventures for Ts and Ss.
I love this thought. Sometimes learning has to be uncomfortable for us to grow and challenge our thinking https://t.co/Jjt4Q6lZrS
A1: some events lead you to the unknown! Ss come in expecting to learn, but the event takes them to a new place to discover!
so learning cannot be an impromptu thing? Must there be a well thought out plan in order to learn?
YES!!!!
https://t.co/QkeY8yihdx
R1: Learning never ends. Ex. This is a learning event but we don't stop learning when this chat is over.
Not faulty....perfect!! https://t.co/1yy7OhxJA1
An analogy--faulty at best: a wedding=event. A marriage is much, much more. Learning is much more.
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
Think could make a poem from the statements tonight. Afterall, it is .
I am loving the reactions so far. Many different opinions and interpretations of learning. Keep it coming. Statement #2 coming up.
A1: events culminate; they have a big reveal. In education we usually call those the aha moments
A1: we need Ss to feel that learning is an event. Right now, I don't think the majority of them do.
Aha moments bring delight to little learners' eyes.
LEARNING is on-going, messy, exciting and contagious. It's a never ending process.
S2. Measured? no Represented? yes ... if that representation is application of understanding, thus providing evidence of learning.
Terrific metaphor.
https://t.co/8vuZtFtxjk
An analogy--faulty at best: a wedding=event. A marriage is much, much more. Learning is much more.
Of course it can be impromptu -Lrng is perpetual, but nothing wrong with a well thought out lesson plan either :)
I agree. The actions portion is vital
What does a grade represent?
A1. The events are the learning lessons. The "failures" along the way.
I was thinking similar, but with graduation as the event, and all the learning that went into it much more!
So we need to capture our students hearts by bringing our passions to immerse them in.
Yeppers. Grades are meaningless. Demonstrate learning with authentic products. I got great grades in school and learned nothing
the best is when a great plan takes a happy detour into great teachable moments!!
A2 We know that learning goes beyond what is graded. However, we can codify the progress of learning
A2: we should tell that to the .
OK I cannot add enough AMENs or emoji smiles on this one! https://t.co/TqxP9Kn6ua
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
1) "Learning is an event" reminds me of . True teaching and learning stems from passion which produces an event
Learning cannot be ENTIRELY measured by grade. Grades are summative; Profound learning experiences are formative & ongoing.
How can we change the mindsets of parents, teachers and higher education to agree with this? https://t.co/eLe4oPPc3n
Yeppers. Grades are meaningless. Demonstrate learning with authentic products. I got great grades in school and learned nothing
In what ways can we expand our thinking on how to measure progress? https://t.co/bsp9RiYnwh
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
Learning could be better measured in "aha moments," no matter how small. https://t.co/JKbp8cSujn
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
Ha!!! Especially if bringing in a box of tissue is worth 5 points. Grades can be meaningless.
R2: Learning is more than a grade based on a set curriculum. Students learn more than the standards
R2. Mastery of learning is measurement of leaening.
Statement #2: What we DO with learning may/can result in something we can evaluate or assess.
Grades are arbitrary measures with no consistency leaving them without true meaning or feedback of what a student knows.
Defining learning by grades suggests learning is finite rather than infinite
S2. The world is full of metrics. "Grades" are one. We "grade" consulting candidates ... in schools, we need to rethink the tests.
There is more to learning than just grades, but if we are to prepare our students for college, grades do play a part
Absolutely! Especially when the T learns something in the teachable moment too!
Response 2: Student growth is a better measurement of learning.
Grades do not reflect learning, meaningful demonstration of mastery by connecting learning to application shows learning
Disconnect between grades and external measures such as AP test scores, college placement tests, etc.
"Doubt the default!" People have to step up and do what's right.
Learning can not be measured by a grade...but our system will keep trying to quantify learning somehow.
But should they? Can we ever move away from grades as a measure of learning? https://t.co/NczDR6c7gI
There is more to learning than just grades, but if we are to prepare our students for college, grades do play a part
Important point, Nancy. Also, evidence of learning, partnered with feedback to continue learning
Learning shouldn't be measured by a grade. We aren't graded on other things we do in live - it's a process. It's making mistakes.
Who's posting questions tonight?
#2 How does one measure creativity when it is the filter of the soul? It's the process we want to encourage not the end grade.
I don't know that they should, but until colleges change their system, we have to prepare our students.
Unfortunately, grades often reflect non cognitive behaviors not mastery or learning
R2: A grade is a numeric indicator of a specific aspect of our knowledge, but learning is a fully integrated process, growth.
Now we're talking. If the grade doesn't measure the learning, what does it measure? https://t.co/dOpDQIdNZ4
In what ways can we expand our thinking on how to measure progress? https://t.co/bsp9RiYnwh
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
We grow from each misstep on the journey. A1
Grades are a slice; learning is the whole pie.
I couldn't agree me! Beautifully said https://t.co/OuxDv96x5i
Grades do not reflect learning, meaningful demonstration of mastery by connecting learning to application shows learning
Agree, Toby.We must be purposeful in providing structured feedback to our Ss to help increase their learning capacity
Exactly-when we give 0s for not turning in homework etc. we're not really even measuring what we say we're measuring
Grades measure learning/understanding at a certain point in time,but it's like a photo.Learning should continue after that point
R2: some say grades are for Ps and justification for advancing. Ss need mastery to truly feel success. They see it to believe it!
2. Feedback can indicate progress of or for learning at one point of time. Once a grade is given learning stops. -- Dylan William
I think this is where conversations and leading by example comes in. We don't settle for "no". We keep trying.
We don't have to get rid of grades if the were a consistent measure of what a students knows vs compliance.
It's about the journey of lifelong learning. Cannot be measured by a number. A2
How do grade-less schools manage? They do send students to college. It's possible.
Exactly, if the grade includes the right things, it could still measure the learning right?
that should be grounds for termination.
I also feel that a grade can be a measure, as long as it reflects mastery towards standard and not simply compliance and busy work
A2: my daughter got a 2- in a class. Might as well have said her grade was a unicorn or an acorn.
Amen! Just because S does not meet all standards does not mean they didn't learn anything. https://t.co/T6CVullDb1
Response 2: Student growth is a better measurement of learning.
is. No questions. Just statements.
A2: I'd rather measure learning by the amount of deep-thinking questions flying back at me when they are truly engaged.
Got to step out for a bit. Writing now and preparing for a presentation.
yes. We need to move away from the letter grade.
https://t.co/RLJLeNxW1t
It's about the journey of lifelong learning. Cannot be measured by a number. A2
Good point! grades can be beneficial if we're grading the right thing.
Relying on grades can limit learning- if I have an A- I have little left to prove
is posting statements and we provide reactions. A different format tonight.
Most grades are a reflection of your ability to master a variety of items which are deemed important but may not show knowledge
Please don't mistake these statements as my opinions/beliefs. These are just statements.
R2: the only place grades are given for learning is at school and college.
Feedback is so much more valuable than the grade.
When do we get all agreeing that learning is for learning's sake? We have to be passionate about this plea.
R2: Grades can be part of lrng if Ts & Ss have consistent, shared understanding of what level of progress to mastery it represents
I always took late work,retakes & altered assessments of all types to fit kids needs. Grades are just institutional in my eyes
S2: It can be measured but what's being "graded" isn't necessarily an authentic representation, so how should it be measured?
Reminds me of formative assessment
A2 a grade does not begin to describe learning. Just a label
I used to joke that extra credit was going at $1.50 a point when my kids were in school.
Agree, Garry. Important that we are definite about what goals our Ss should reach as they progress to mastery
When Ss measure their progress & making plans to extend their lrning in a quest for mastery, real lrning happens
I love this! This is my favorite tweet of the night! haha https://t.co/XkuBt0BT26
A2: my daughter got a 2- in a class. Might as well have said her grade was a unicorn or an acorn.
A2) I have not mastered the grading practice. Too often I forget to assign a # to the learning experience.
brings to mind the equity v equality debate.
This is where Standards Based Grading can enter the stage and "steal the show"
R2: Agreed. Find balance. Moderation. Assessments can and should be varied. https://t.co/qx4U0wexgY
Learning cannot be ENTIRELY measured by grade. Grades are summative; Profound learning experiences are formative & ongoing.
Exactly. If grades are done right, they can measure the learning. A snapshot, but still a measurement.
perhaps it has to be changed from the top down?!?
Statement #3
Learning by doing is best.
uh oh....what did you say now!!!!
A2: Depends entirely how we determine grades...SBG? Then yea grades correlate with learning. 80% of grade based on complete HW? 🤔
Yes, we are in transition between the two, aren't we? The former more meaningful than the latter.
Can grades be a part of the mastery?
At the HS level if we ever want to really change "grades" we have to change society. We get it, but colleges, world doesn't always
It could be measure of learning, but isn't mastered, in-progress, or not yet mastered better for measuring learning?
In some cases, unfortunately, it's the degree of compliance. Why? Because school's been done that way, for way too long.
don't get me wrong, I'm sure she deserved the 2- or unicorn. But no idea what or why.
"The person doing the work is doing the learning." Forget source
Wow! What a shame! Wish more did that.
I think we should grade with What says, "you need to redo this assignment" more than a 💩 on the page?
Right, Char.Means that purposeful collab is essential if we are 2 establish these clear metrics that indicate progress
Now homework is another discussion in and of itself! https://t.co/9MaMaEPwES
A2: Depends entirely how we determine grades...SBG? Then yea grades correlate with learning. 80% of grade based on complete HW? 🤔
No controversy here, just don't want people thinking I am talking about abolishing grades.
R3 arent we always "doing" --- doing reading, doing writing, doing experiments, doing thinking --- when we learn?
My daughter would actually love that.
My son is the same, 2s and 3s, and no clue what they mean, though he definitely earned them!
Learning by doing is best for longterm impact.
How many fruitless exams did I cram for? Yet, I remember the group project, the presentation.
A3: "learning by applying" is very different than "learning by doing" knowledge needs to be discovered/acquired.. then applied.
and I am a HUGE advocate of SBG. But no feedback makes it no better than traditional system.
Statement #3: Learning by doing is best--not necessarily. Sis puts hands on hot stove; I learn why a person shouldn't do that.
True learning needs a component of "do". If not can you truly demonstrate that you can apply?
Thats exactly what has to happen but until it does we have to prepare our students. That's our duty even if we disagree
Learning by doing is best for some-I'm sure some need a more traditional approach-I'd say lrning by doing must be an option
I thought he was speaking of C&C and The Music Factory - "I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut..."
R3: If kids are expected to learn through doing when they are very young, why should that change when they grow up!
A2 We have the wrong conversations about what is "learning" which leads to faulty conclusions about grades.
I think has done a good job of avoiding controversy after that tough conversation
A2:absolutely-lrning is doing and vice versa but also key to have consistent modeling during process
can be, but I say if Ss know mastery is what is needed, they'll go for that rather than believing their only a B/C S.
Grades were a necessary evil,something I had to do to fit the system we all work under
I agree. It can be a part of a good system.
R3 so many Ss think watching someone else do something is learning
Absolutely - collaboration with Ts, with Ss & clear communication to parents too. Including "next steps" in lrng
A3) In some instances. In others..learning occurs best by observing. Here is whr trust is gained or lost. https://t.co/KOcUNZaWYO
Statement #3
Learning by doing is best.
great take. Reminds me of elementary T's giving "3 out of 4" and telling parents it is to allow for "growth".
I think that's the point. It's stupid but people think it means something.
A3. Practical application. Non-linguistic representation empowers the learner (of all ages).
I'd say learning by doing is important, authentic experiences are important, application is important, inquiry is imp...
R3. Learning is hard; you must be willing to fail; you must "do" it ... you don't absorb learning; you construct it ... actively.
When the learning experience is authentic, its fruits are long-lasting and profound. Look for real-life application!
Oh my. You had to go there.
R3: I'm not very good at watching a skill being done, I need to get my hands on it. Great for retention!
Kristen from Illinois - jumping in a little late after putting kids to bed!
It measures compliance with the system: Did you do everything you were told to do, like turn in homework? https://t.co/aclkdXJ4w5
Now we're talking. If the grade doesn't measure the learning, what does it measure? https://t.co/dOpDQIdNZ4
In what ways can we expand our thinking on how to measure progress? https://t.co/bsp9RiYnwh
Statement #2
Learning cannot be measured by a grade.
I know at ZHS we are trying to find a balance between reporting student progress and mastery towards standard. It's tough.
A2: for students who are motivated by grades, anything less than a 100% is failure. We should take care to communicate purpose.
me too. that's why I invented it. Lol.
R3: Many Ss learn by doing. Hands on experience, internships, etc. is a part of the process.
"Learning by doing is best" is usually true, but we must not throw out students building knowledge to prepare to "do" as well.
Just don't put any grades in CB. Some work in that system too
I think the official term for learning by doing is constructivism and there's a pretty solid body of research support there
Baseball games show a score every inning, but game isn't over til the end of 9! Same w/grades
the minus came from my genes. And probably the 2 as well.
R3. Learning by experience is best, whether doing physically or mentally. Doing is doing!
many Ts think that if Ss watch someone else do something then the Ss are learning.
A3: it may be best, but not always feasible-
Thanks for being here Kristen!
Response 3: Student exploration leads to new experiences, repeated experiences lead to refinement.
how do I grade the look in their eyes? their voc building in academic convos? Matching the lesson to home experience?
Wishing I could stay longer tonight, but early day tomorrow. Have a great week, ! Make it awesome!
Thanks for tonight's chat !
Transitioning now to being a reader!
Peace to all.
So true-we must help those Ss shift their mindset-embrace the struggle&value the journey not just the 100% https://t.co/sOtAB9CEKz
A2: for students who are motivated by grades, anything less than a 100% is failure. We should take care to communicate purpose.
Also, no method is "best" because all Ss are different so Ts need to use multiple strategies to reach each S.
That's a great point. You don't get to go hands-on with the microscopes w/o a few tips for lens and glass slide safety!
A2: clarification - the students may see anything less than 100% as a failure (or some parents) not the teacher.
A3When Ss are actively engaged in the lrng process,they can make connections faster.Then apply the new knowledge to new situations
R3: I will add a few words to the statement, Learning by doing without restraints on creativity is best.
Learning by doing is important. But metacognition, thinking about our learning, also essential.
If it's always been done "that way" then it's all the more reason to change it tomorrow.
Let the show begin with eager participants.
THANK YOU. When they say it, is supposed to be UPtempo. Drives me nuts!
R3: not always. Learning by being actively involved is better. Hit different modalities of learning. Can't always "do".
Absolutely! Priceless "ungradeable" moments https://t.co/cF2tAqVUdB
A3When Ss are actively engaged in the lrng process,they can make connections faster.Then apply the new knowledge to new situations
I consider the ODE and state tests like those sports analysts that provide all that pointless data during televised games.
Yeah, but why do you remember the group work? For lots of Ss group work sucks.
S3: Learning by whatever means necessary is the best. Unlocking what's best for each S to be successful learners is key.
Exactly-we need to help parents understand the importance of the struggle
Agree, Jacki. Exposing our Ss to authentic learning helps with knowledge transfer as they exit our school doors
Love Hattie philosophy! Student-led learning
I was just trying to explain to my own soph. 0 is so much worse than a 50. They see an F as an F. https://t.co/DD6MYhuUMD
Exactly-when we give 0s for not turning in homework etc. we're not really even measuring what we say we're measuring
isnt "thinking" a "doing"?...does "doing" have to be physical?
A3: Learning by doing is best for me. Others may not agree. We all learn differently. https://t.co/ayvSwvw5P6
Statement #3
Learning by doing is best.
An alumna of mine received this emoji in a text msg from her boss as feedback once!
I smile each time I see a tweet that has the @ for the first character. Dialogue. 😀
A3: learning by doing is best when students are doing the thinking as opposed to being told what to think
Statement #4
Learning is fun.
No idea, but I tell my students this whenever they need reminding of why they can't just "sit and get."
thanks for dropping in, Brian! Enjoy your downtime, you deserve it!
A3 Could not agree more! We have an Algebra II course that is hands on in a lab Very strong!
rest up! Thanks for dropping in!
Good evening I am Nicole and I am studying education
worse yet, they will probably still pass & move on, whether they get a couple of F's or 0's
Why is HW given a Zero? It's practice!
It means people are having dialogue with each other instead of just posting their opinions.
Learning by doing is authentic learning that causes ALL students to notice, wonder, discover, and question.
students extend their learning by us teaching them metacognition is crucial to the learning.
I KNOW!!!! SO FRUSTRATING
R4. Glasser says the conditions for learning are: belonging, freedom, power, and FUN! (read: engagement) https://t.co/T3INk4A8L1
Learning isn't always fun sometimes it's challenging and frustrating, but that's when we have the most potential for growth
S4: learning is fun when you have choice in what to learn and how to learn it
Should be. Kids shouldn't be miserable.
goal tonight was to get dialogue going between participants vs. just answering Qs. Well done Jeremy.
It's a message I bring to my presentations so let's keep spreading news of leading 2 abundant mindset.
Response 4: Learning is fun...when Ss are engaged and have Ts who care.
If it's done right, learning is fun.
A4: Enjoyment should be a motivating byproduct of hard work and collaboration rewarded. But, heck yeah, who doesn't like fun! 😁
That's my biggest frustration - graded homework! Why?
so glad to see more and more preservice Ts connecting!
R4: Learning should be fun but can also be challenging and exciting
She obviously didn't think so at the time, but it's a great story now!
loved when the kool aid man showed up in that family guy episode.
A4-Devil's advocate-kids aren't going to love everything we do--they have to lrn to adjust/adapt-in life not everything is fun
A4:umm,depends on def of fun. Can be fun but can be scary, messy&hurt your head depends on the day/tchr/kid/lesson/weather,etc
R4:Learning can be fun.....when it's not forced. It's supposed to occur naturally and that's when Ts & Ss benefits the most
If we expand our definition of learning beyond formal and structured/planned, learning IS FUN.
R3: Learning by doing is great - but sometimes my learning also comes by watching. collaborating,listening, reflecting too.
A2: A student needs to learn at their own pace. Learning happenes over time and students work on different levels.
R4. Learning is fun and much more-learning is growth-learning is critical-learning is the future-learning is patient
T doesn't understand why we're giving grades--if it's to measure lrning we're not grading hw
but kids find the challenge fun when they know there is a possibility for success (ex: vid games!)
R4: learning should be fun, yet respectful. Know when to use it and how to use it! Don't be the "fun" T, be the "engaging" T!
. my Physics Ss spend an awful lot of time doing Math HW in class "b/c its worth points"
No. Doubt, About it. What's the first step in shifting the paradigm? https://t.co/OtXF1MdjBT
If it's always been done "that way" then it's all the more reason to change it tomorrow.
Read Visible Learning for Teachers by John Hattie.
Did he ever show up on The Simpsons? Seems obvious, but I don't recall.
Heck of a lot of people doing it wrong in our country then
Learning is fun when teachers are engaged and excited about what they're teaching! Passion is contagious!
not to mention it takes 9 or more 100s to undo the damage of a 0
R4 If we desire a greater imprint of learning, crafting learning experiences that Ss enjoy will increase this possibility
Learning should be engaging for students. If it's not - the interest will go elsewhere. Too many options in our digital world
agree, but it happens more often than not...
Learning is fun when kids choose to do it when they don't have to.
True. Reminds me of student teaching when I couldn't make EVERY lesson the most engaging. https://t.co/zfXfCZgDHB
A4-Devil's advocate-kids aren't going to love everything we do--they have to lrn to adjust/adapt-in life not everything is fun
It SHOULD be fun,if you want more engagement!When I see a classroom engaged,having fun,I see learning. Ss are not on cell in there
Learning is essential not always fun. Learning to drive with my neurotic mother was essential but by no means fun.
I agree-learning should be ENGAGING! https://t.co/rXAibUNsQL
Learning should be engaging for students. If it's not - the interest will go elsewhere. Too many options in our digital world
A4. If something is fun, it is also enjoyable, memorable, and guaranteed to be a hit!
R4: learning is fun with a good T & it feels good! It builds confidence, you are intrigued by the challenge, it sticks with you.
R4 learning always makes me feel good... but it doesnt always feel "fun"
When is there practice time then? Sounds like they have summative assignments daily
I agree! Facilitation is an extremely important part of the process in making learning fun!
Thank you for the great dialogue. I actually like this approach better than Q/A. Gotta run for tonight.
A4: relevance and engaging please
. Engagement vs. empowerment has been discussed. Is engagement the result of edutainment? Sustainable?
When we start talking about grading hw I seriously feel my blood pressure rising-I can't even... https://t.co/G5FmpF6Glf
When is there practice time then? Sounds like they have summative assignments daily
Learning can be fun and should be! Students should be excited to learn and explore new ideas
Not every lesson is fun. I have learned some painful lessons in the recent months
exactly! It's instilling this in our Ss that's the trick!
what is up with my autocorrect ?!
I'll be in Ohio next week. Hopefully I'll run into some of the awesome folks on tonight.
She's in 1st grade, so it's not the fact that she got a 2- and it is an isolated issue. She has great teachers.
We should teach students to rebel when adults violate the true spirit of learning
Agree Ryan.The "second R" must be coupled w/ fun 2 ensure the experience has direct connection 2 skills our Ss need
if you're engaging are you not, by definition, fun?!
That's true too. That's growth! Students need to learn from failure and trials!
R4: Learning is challenging, learning usually involves multiple attempts, learning is personalized & internalized, & sometimes fun
Learning is definitely fun at that aha moment. Also depends on how you define "learning." https://t.co/DGhNBXQBAh
Statement #4
Learning is fun.
great feedback! Thanks for dropping in. See you next week?
they don't know any other way; we've been spoon feeding generations forever bc school was only place to access content
engage Ss then empower them within learning. Edutainment is a result.
modeling that is the first step.
Well I'll be in Ohio so it should work out. I love but sometimes my travel schedule interferes.
This is where I make the Jimmy Fallon/Justin TImberlake hashtag gesture.
Exactly. My brain was stretched & I it won't ever go back to original size
Ss need to learn that a challenge is fun! Learning should be challenging https://t.co/iF8JQeRjyC
R4: learning is fun with a good T & it feels good! It builds confidence, you are intrigued by the challenge, it sticks with you.
Sounds awesome !! I'll be in Canton. April 22-24! https://t.co/FYJaVl16O4
I'll be in Ohio next week. Hopefully I'll run into some of the awesome folks on tonight.
Statement #5
True learning comes from failure.
not always...fun can be being silly...music all day...movies...but is there learning?
She's a mover and a shaker.
what are you doing in canton? My home.
Based on tonight's chat, we all have some different definitions.
. yes! all awesome tools to demonstrate fun challenges!
You learn more from finding solutions to the mistakes you make. Environment that encourages risk taking is key.
A5. I don't necessarily believe this is a completely true statement. You can learn w/o failure.
🤔super deep stmts! My brain can't keep up!
5-not sure what "true learning" is-but we need to teach Ss to learn how to learn from failure-can learn other ways, too
Response 5: True learning comes from failure, yes it does as it offers an opportunity for refinement and correction.
S5: learning can happen as a result of failure but needs to be modeled. Too often Ss fail & are forced to move on anyway
A5: Too few of our students experience this because well-meaning professionals and parents try to shield our Ss from failure.
My fingers can't keep up.
I agree-I think we do need to teach Ss to learn how to learn from failure, but to learn how to learn other ways too
A5: feedback comes from failure - feedback is a basic foundation of learning
A5:no?? Failure can't be the only way to Lrn but every non-ex I think of doesn't work in my head. Can you Lrn from someone else's?
R5: This is a tough one. Not necessarily. The most transformative learning can come from failure as well as growth.
some times students fail but can improve over time, change where they went wrong, and then try again to be successful
I changed it a little because I believe you can learn in success as well. Powerful learning comes from failure.
True. Ss need to know how to react to the failure and move on. https://t.co/arJxy5TFn4
S5: learning can happen as a result of failure but needs to be modeled. Too often Ss fail & are forced to move on anyway
We need to teach kids failure is ok, but parents don't allow for this. They push harder & expect more. I def learn from failure
R5: You don't have to fail to truly learn but failing can spur authentic learning and teaches grit
that is true now, but think to time before tech or even mass produced books. "Knowledge" was stored in few places
R5: failure is necessary. Need to explain that failure is ok and break that fear. Both Ps and Ss need to have it explained.
I like that perspective, thanks! After learning more about empowerment I started thinking engagement wasn't enough.
Learning comes from failure,but only w/a revisit to the question/problem & a 2nd effort. W/o that, it stays a failure
R5. True learning comes from growth. It is impossible to grow without learning. Unless you are talking about my waist.
and be given time and opportunity to try again rather than getting pushed to the "next unit" on the calendar
R5It is an opportunity for lrng,yes.We must b purposeful 2 provide necessary feedback 2 our Ss so they can lrn from their failures
R5: 🤔 true learning comes from failure. Nah, I don't buy it. I've learned a lot in life & success has fueled that.
A5) Failing eliminates the superficial in us. Failing keeps us grounded. Skills begin to emerge https://t.co/iDGtLzp2ki
Statement #5
True learning comes from failure.
Reflection can be pretty significant to learn from
Only can vouch for my own experience. There's a diff between group work and collaborative projects. https://t.co/KmWtmiIHAi
Yeah, but why do you remember the group work? For lots of Ss group work sucks.
A5. Yes we learn from failure and make great gains when this takes place. However, failure isn't the only road to learning.
We need to facilitate a culture of professional discourse and feedback. Many school leaders don't model these values
A5: Devil's Advocate - should we spend our efforts reducing Ds and Fs if failure brings about true Learning?
Failure is fine.Failure then quitting/moving on to next thing is NOT! Revisit,try again, master it. That is learning
I hope so. Isn't that why we teach Social Studies? Let's not make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
Yes! Build on it, we can't just leave it. Why did it fail? What can we do? How did you feel. Have to dig https://t.co/bEu1KWgTvq
Learning comes from failure,but only w/a revisit to the question/problem & a 2nd effort. W/o that, it stays a failure
Learning is complex. A powerful learning experience may present itself differently to different students!
S5: failure is a great opportunity for some meta cognition and reflection-which Ss need to be explicitly taught.
Failure leads to reflection, and reflection is key!
So much truth! This fear carries on well into college and in graduate school.
R5: Learning from failure happens if you can identify what piece of the failure was actually a success, & what to try next.
A5: You learn more from own failures b/c it's your job to fix it. Can also learn from watching others fail. https://t.co/BliVH1a5LO
Statement #5
True learning comes from failure.
S5: Ss, especially in HS, need more low stake opportunities to try something new, fail, and try again - too much pressure for GPA
Anybody watch Ninja Warrior- learning through observation
A5 Our students also learn from teaching their peers.
5- Failure can come from risk taking, risk taking can come from pushing boundaries which leads to learning.
I think it goes back to what a D or F means & if Ss are given opportunity to grow past their failures
Thanks for a great chat....loved the format!
love the way you put this. Keeps us grounded. Reminds us about the need to grow/learn.
I agree.We have to Lrn from others-maynot be as pwrful but still Lrn how not 2 do something.Curse of the older sibling!
When it comes to failure-sometimes we learn most from the "near miss" as opposed to the epic fail-what was almost?
Failing is often an internal reminder that we must keep learning. We never arrive.
5- Learning through failure reminds me of PBL or math talks. Ss are inquiring about something outside of their comfort zone.
I see this as where assessment retakes come into play. Students can show improvement - an F is not end
Statement #6
Share one thing you learned tonight.
Thanks for being here Tom
Definitely! As an Ela tchr we spend hours studying mentor text for craft moves. We Lrn from others!
Failure for Ss causes serious mental and physical health concerns. Enough to prevent them to continuing. https://t.co/7PxxvLTtXn
R5: failure is necessary. Need to explain that failure is ok and break that fear. Both Ps and Ss need to have it explained.
agree, but with high stakes testing, pressure for college admittance, scholarships, etc., they often are not
R5. Need to give Ss challenges JUST above ability level so failure drives (not defeats) them
https://t.co/WpBU5iytxf (click demo)
6-I learned that I like chats that have statement to respond to instead of Qs!
Lots of folks out there have similar ideas in regards to what is best for kids. That is very encouraging!
A6) reminded me that failure, at worst, encourages reflective behavior. https://t.co/zgdmr4ClQS
Statement #6
Share one thing you learned tonight.
I agree. Grades & GPS limit amount of risk taking in teaching & learning
I've learned that most educators prefer SBG idea, but the system beyond HS is limiting us, and makes it difficult.
agree 100% as long as there are relearning opportunities before a retake
So true!Think abt adrenaline rush miss whn driving,sticks w/me if I made mistake every time I get behind wheel
I learned that I have more Qs about SBG and need to help my Ts understand and move that way https://t.co/6M6KtJNhbu
I've learned that most educators prefer SBG idea, but the system beyond HS is limiting us, and makes it difficult.
especially by high school. Our library makerspace is attempting to create that fun, low stakes environment
S6: semantics can really unearth differing views and valuable insights! I heart language!
Many people get together for good chats like these and share great ideas, opinions and statements about different topics
Dialogue is a powerful thing! We are in this together! https://t.co/4wEtbc4zNo
Statement #6
Share one thing you learned tonight.
My first edchat. Thanks for a great collaborative, rapid-fire hour of learning!
R6: I learned that there's more I can do to engage my classroom. Ss need a say. Ss need my guidance. And I'm not alone!
We have a space like that
A6: Dialogue is crucial and even if you have different ideas, we all have one common goal.
There's a whole bunch of us that love what we do and are working hard for our students! We're going to be the change makers!
A6:I lrnd that if a staff party ever gets boring just switch to statements and rxns esp about grading and stand back!😀
So meaningful to learn from passionate educators. Teaching has not occurred unless learning has taken place. focus on learning.
I learned that educator's opinions can't be different. The different can be good.
R6: Learning doesn't have to be consistent and Ts/Ss shouldn't expect it to be. It's the outcomes, end goals, the a-has that count
thanks for coming! I get to moderate next week. Hope you can come back to
Thanks for trying it out Julie! Hope it helped! Come back next week!
I've learned that we are all passionate about learning, and our students, and want to find ways to improve.
A6: What we want learning to be for our Ss and the perception of learning at the next level can look very different.
Response 6: I've learned that an open forums with a diverse collection of educators can reinforce our passion for the profession.
I learned that we need to teach Ss to learn from low stakes failure early to prep for risk taking in high school & beyond.
Thanks for thinking outside the box for this chat tonight.
R6: I'm a better educator tonight than I was today. I am inspired by those that desire to grow, and serve through being connected.
Thanks for being here Maggie
Thanks for the chat tonight! Prepared me for the TeachOhio Job Fair tomorrow! Wish me luck and maybe see some of you tomorrow?
Thanks and everyone tonight. This was probably some of the best conversation we have had. Great idea.
