#ASEchat Archive
The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday June 27, 2016
3:00 PM EDT
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:02 PM EDT
I do have the football on while I am participating in
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:02 PM EDT
@hrogerson
possibly not GCSE text books
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YSCUCLan
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
#ASEchat
Come collaborate with us on our exciting new Education Catalyst programme - several paid roles available:
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Is being a professional at sport considered a STEM career?
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massignmenthelp
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Helping students become better online researchers
https://t.co/ImgnNTyanO
#asechat
#edchat
#edtech
massignmenthelp
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Helping students become better online researchers
https://t.co/qjshNYqVC8
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#edchat
#edtech
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
If you are old enough to remember Science in Action, I always thought they had some good careers mentioned in the shows.
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:06 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I normally use my past experience to guide students, also there is a careers website that I use 2 inform students
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:06 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
not in GCSE at all! Teaching the AQA biomimicry course and the links to real science there is brilliant.
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:06 PM EDT
Slightly tongue in cheek but I guess we are discussing careers that use STEM skills rather than 'a career in STEM' ?
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:07 PM EDT
I don't think so. Many students I have taught are shocked by the link between science and sport.
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https://t.co/LGrMOBc8hp
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Is being a professional at sport considered a STEM career?
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:08 PM EDT
Do love
https://t.co/uWPsh1Fr6M
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:08 PM EDT
https://t.co/UYMlh59A5s
Great place for chemistry careers information
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
I do worry that I don't know enough, it's a long time since I was at the front line of STEM.
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
Royal soc of chem do some good
#chemistryatwork
events I am told but with all the hurdles needed to take a trip ctd
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
This is my favourite site for careers from STEM, but I am biased!
#ASEChat
https://t.co/rJT4AkL0K7
ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
Ctd out don't always get told in time they are on
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:09 PM EDT
The Mole | Education in Chemistry good for career profiles to use with kids
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https://t.co/Urc65ROfbf
AssignmentHelpN
Jun 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
10 Simple yet Powerful Tools to Kickstart an Elearning Classroom
https://t.co/1tLpO4teFl
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#edtech
#edchat
https://t.co/XwINO5bs12
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
https://t.co/d2OrRHG7e7
<< and there are more ideas here.
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I do feel that at times when trying to discuss STEM careers especially engineering as its out of my area
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_Misquitta
me too but do u not feel it's the fact we have done it hat lets us add colour?
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@hrogerson
Sport is a great context for using STEM skills - technology of equipment design as well as performance improvement
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
I have met stdnts who love science and identify with it, but are always going to struggle with A-level. What's out there for them?
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
With older kids it's useful for them to look through Twitter & follow feeds from
@ChemistryWorld
@RoySocChem
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
Just wondering how often I do discuss careers unless the students bring it up first?
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_Misquitta
it's the fact that kids now know someone who has done the drug discovery thing
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@ljrn42
@hrogerson
Agree I was able to tell my Y10 you will need science knwledge on interview when going on science placements
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
@hrogerson
Need to bear in mind engineering is a huge field including chemistry, software, biotechnology
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MsSuperScience
Jun 27 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@tomorrows_eng
are a great source with some great free resources too
https://t.co/ouDmYfl7MW
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
Big challenge with careers is thinking beyond the obvious, chemistry = chemist... Or good at sci and smart = doctor
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
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Sorry I'm late, kids. What did I miss?
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@hrogerson
try apprenticeship schemes. Reliance Precision take apprentices age 16 for virtually entire workforce
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
Agree I had to tell my Y9 to go and find out more but should I have inspired them more?
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I think I should!
doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@hrogerson
we also take apprentices at the
@OfficialUoM
for training as technicians in all sciences
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:15 PM EDT
I have taken my VI form to events to try and widen their knowledge of potential science areas and careers. Got to try and do more.
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:15 PM EDT
Reliance precision make spacecraft and other hi tech components
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#local
company
MsSuperScience
Jun 27 @ 3:15 PM EDT
Yes, or that only route is University. Some great apprenticeships out there too
https://t.co/OiHeucEPyL
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM EDT
Big challenge with careers is thinking beyond the obvious, chemistry = chemist... Or good at sci and smart = doctor
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:16 PM EDT
The technician pipeline is a huge challenge for STEM careers
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@teachingofsci
we're talking about how to find information about STEM careers.
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:17 PM EDT
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This is something I did to get kids looking beyond standard 'clinical' careers:
https://t.co/J2F7PGZqnI
Bio_Joe
Jun 27 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@hrogerson
there’s a big push to make sure work experience takes place at 6th form. Lots of Ofsted mentions
#ASEChat
aaronaberry
Jun 27 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I've done the same with VIth form and looking to do more next year given proximity to uni
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doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
@MrJDexter
oh yes, we still have those!
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not seen much in the way of careers posters lately, maybe they're seen as old fashioned
doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I think it needs to be earlier than 6th form, Year 10 ish
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
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has IOP microsite been mentioned?
https://t.co/QvuUHNK9Sb
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM EDT
Support for careers in engineering
@Mr_Misquitta
#ASEChat
https://t.co/pNpCcdln5p
STEM_Becky
Jun 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
Not sure if anyone has already said but
@Tomorrows_Eng
have some great free Engineering Careers Stuff
#ASEChat
teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:19 PM EDT
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I'm not sure if BrightJournals is still being updated:
https://t.co/lzfuWKdpGm
doc_kristy
Jun 27 @ 3:20 PM EDT
Shortly be arriving at Manchester pic so that's me out of
#asechat
for the night, will check notifications when I get home
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:20 PM EDT
At research ed science and maths Robin Millar said children have to identify with science, not just be excited/engaged by it.
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aaronaberry
Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@MrJDexter
we have the Nuffield posters that get interest. Had one student get a placement from seeing it
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MsSuperScience
Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
Other LEA's might have something similar to this. Were linked to a local engineering company from Sept
https://t.co/fTfOfge5XK
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
agreed, probably earlier than that!
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
Work exp for 6th form is OK but by then students have decided what areas interest them. How do we help more see STEM opportunities?
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STEM_Becky
Jun 27 @ 3:22 PM EDT
Also
@IETFaraday
have some great career profiles and teaching resources (I am biased though!)
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MaryAnnSGray
Jun 27 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_Misquitta
I connect Ss to emerging STEM careers & locally relevant - big issue is Ts knowledge in this area
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_Misquitta
if it's relevant I do it. Brings a real meaning to "why do we have to do this
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CazGerrard
Jun 27 @ 3:23 PM EDT
Hello everyone :) I have one eye on
#asechat
and one eye on the (terrible) football! Glad to see you made it home alive from Leics, Helen!
Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I think that's the issue few pupils make that connection. Discussing topics with careers will help
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:24 PM EDT
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this kind of thing can be worthwhile. see also People Like Me from
@thewisecampaign
https://t.co/S126TgpL0P
https://t.co/quxBgB16vc
Stemettes
Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM EDT
Engineering for boys? These girls beg to differ for
@NWED1919
in Yeovil
https://t.co/pB28zPkCzb
#NWED2016
https://t.co/oQx5fTYMI0
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
#asechat
The ASE future chair Chris Colclough used to take students out to visit local companies, help raise awareness.
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
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The ASE future chair Chris Colclough used to take students out to visit local companies, help raise awareness.
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:25 PM EDT
Many chldn already decided on areas of interest at primary level. Need STEM careers in y5-6. Y9 too late for many
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
I sometimes feel terrible pressure to get students into STEM. Do all subjects feel that way?
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
the whole 'enjoying science but not identifying as future science-user' thing.
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Glazgow
Jun 27 @ 3:26 PM EDT
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at primary we have parents in sciency jobs come in to talk to classes and explain what they do and how they got there
STEM_Becky
Jun 27 @ 3:27 PM EDT
There are also some great
@SmallpeiceTrust
residential courses which can help students experience science and engineering
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
The pupils at school don't know what they want to do.
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Glazgow
Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
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I am also looking at adding a 'careers' link to our science topics so c'ren can see who might use what they're learning about
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM EDT
CIEC produce resources for STEM careers suitable for primary and secondary
#ASEChat
https://t.co/Ow6miAGPkp
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
@hrogerson
May be true but I bet many chin at Y9 know what they do NOT want to do
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#scienceistoohard
dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:29 PM EDT
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I arranged STEM careers day for Yr10 after WorkExp week with the help of STEMNET Ambassadors-good spread from youth to experience
MsSuperScience
Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@Glazgow
Any good? We've used STEM Ambassadors before with mixed success
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
yes. Problems come as pressures of GCSE come in. Keen in year9 bored y10 or it's too hard
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM EDT
Do people get into STEM because of an ideal career? Isa focus on working out what 'job' you want to do useful for young people?
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@ljrn42
@ViciaScience
agree with that. Students tend to chose A-levels based on their confidence to do well.
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CazGerrard
Jun 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I think it depends on the school - our focus on STEM in science is non existent - we have robots and engineering opps
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
Although, I think I was put of engineering because I didn't know enough about it and it looked too hard.
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Bio_Joe
Jun 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@hrogerson
employability is the watchword but I think you may be onto something.
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@Glazgow
Does this include STEM skills in non STEM careers? Most careers use STEM skills but few children recognise this
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:34 PM EDT
My favourite clip of an artist explaining how she uses STEM skills everyday
#ASEChat
https://t.co/rBJBK0rXRg
friendlymicrobe
Jun 27 @ 3:34 PM EDT
Not just for those who struggle with A-levels? Apprenticeship talk in
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@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
https://t.co/K4dfJZHRGX
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@ljrn42
And my children chose A level sciences but neither followed science as a career
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
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p18/19 of the Opening Doors report is on careers:
https://t.co/WjEoarg1VM
teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@hrogerson
some evidence from IGB project (
@takeonphysics
) that girls are more likely to consider future advantages of subjects.
#asechat
CazGerrard
Jun 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
I like that! Nice addition to heating and cooling topic! Thanks!
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@friendlymicrobe
@hrogerson
Apprenticeship schemes need to be nurtured to be seen as viable alternative by students to A levels
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Glazgow
Jun 27 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
yes, we discuss that & we've had parents in before who have non-STEM jobs but use STEM skills
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Bio_Joe
Jun 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@hrogerson
Scientists reflect on why they chose to study science
https://t.co/40VstmOCMD
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dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@MsSuperScience
@Glazgow
I found the younger Ambass. much better-pupils could relate and their career seemed more attainable
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notanearlybird7
Jun 27 @ 3:37 PM EDT
#asechat
Hi Everyone! Are off-topic questions allowed? :)
dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@hrogerson
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I found few had a clear idea of where they wanted to be in 5-10yr, even in Yr13 after choosing degrees
MaryAnnSGray
Jun 27 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@hrogerson
utilize Science NHS to fuel after school opportunities to bring I speakers in different STEM fields
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@Glazgow
Parents are a great resource for teaching about careers
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dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
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the OCR STEM project has careers awareness built in
https://t.co/fDub4B8zeY
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
Hoping that our Y10 visit to the
@royalsociety
summer science exhibition next week will inspire Y10.
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dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@Glazgow
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agree! Half the speakers at my Yr10 events were parents!
teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
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I've used 'NHS Behind the Headlines' as a way to 'sneak in' careers discussions.
https://t.co/3XJALTOKXM
MsSuperScience
Jun 27 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@dave2004b
@Glazgow
agree, you have to get the right people in or opposite effect!
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:41 PM EDT
And with limited career possibilities??
#ASEChat
https://t.co/yYInYGcxZC
friendlymicrobe
Jun 27 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
Ironically, a PhD is a textbook example of an apprenticeship ^_^
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:42 PM EDT
We have a wonderful careers advisor at school who uses past students as a great resource for careers advice to students.
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Bio_Joe
Jun 27 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@ljrn42
@ViciaScience
wrote a thing on this
https://t.co/KiAOv3nVvh
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
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suggestion: UK map in classroom, add pins/string/photos of past students in STEM-linked careers.
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:44 PM EDT
Are there any topics that really lend themselves to discussion about careers or industry in the UK?
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notanearlybird7
Jun 27 @ 3:45 PM EDT
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Anyone can suggest a primary school science award for CPD activities starting in Sept?
dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
#asechat
one local school make up posters on recent pupils who've graduated-self written bio and what they're doing now-makes it seem real
teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
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see, I've always emphasized that a STEM career can take you all over the place, all over Europe. Hmm.
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@hrogerson
How do we encourage more capable science students to become technicians rather than academics?
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@notanearlybird7
CREST, PSQM from
@theASE
https://t.co/kcSagKM68d
or how about RIGB ExpeRimental
https://t.co/zt6H7bcufj
?
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@notanearlybird7
Do you mean Primary science quality mark?
@PsqmTurner
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@hrogerson
Some topics are obvious like disease and infection but Rocks pupils don't see a connection.
#asechat
teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@ljrn42
if teachers have worked in STEM outside classroom, include that. Don't forget D&T. Add students as you can.
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:50 PM EDT
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just realized, seen no mention of
@imascientist
! huge opportunity.
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
yes, but studying rocks is so important. It's to abstract maybe?
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@Mr_Misquitta
ah, depends on location. if you;re near oil refinery or, as my schools were, peak district with limestone quarries...
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teachingofsci
Jun 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@hrogerson
rocks are for climbing. Nothing abstract about clinging to a cliff. :)
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MaryAnnSGray
Jun 27 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
provide real-world experiences -
#placebasededucation
could be key
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snapshotscience
Jun 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
Very relevant to tonight's
#asechat
https://t.co/JBFIQGhqsb
ASPIRES2science
Jun 27 @ 3:20 PM EDT
#Science
is a springboard, not a pipeline. Pupils must be made aware of numerous
#SciCareers
https://t.co/i7ysR55lnj
https://t.co/lsiLSthNSK
Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@hrogerson
It is important and I got my students to explore careers associated with rocks and found a few obvious ones
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dave2004b
Jun 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@hrogerson
#asechat
Cambridge Technicals Laboratory Skills (L3) and Engineering (L3) might be worth a look
https://t.co/oRhMA1GAEZ
CazGerrard
Jun 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_Misquitta
We have a quarry near us and a very supportive manager (also dad to 3 pupils)
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ljrn42
Jun 27 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
that's surely down to uni. That's where final decisions are made
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
#asechat
wow, did not realise that statistic!
https://t.co/AgY56FTebi
physicsgirluk
Jun 27 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@hrogerson
Only 1 in 200 PhDs become academics!
CMMarshall113
Jun 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
#asechat
-
https://t.co/M5tqnrgueD
interesting study of young people's stem aspirations
ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:54 PM EDT
'Big research question' written for RCUK are classroom activities highlighting current science researchers
#ASEChat
https://t.co/fNBJLveAP9
hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:55 PM EDT
I wonder if UTCs are doing a better job than the rest of us at careers focus?
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@teachingofsci
We are no where near any quarries but have some samples of rocks that they could see.
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Five more minutes of
#asechat
Any success stories to share?
anhalf
Jun 27 @ 3:56 PM EDT
In case you hadn't seen this
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#outofthisworld
https://t.co/nahM94OVsZ
anhalf
Jun 9 @ 6:46 AM EDT
#PSTTBelfast
spreading across the world and beyond
https://t.co/C0DxClSRji
Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@CazGerrard
@hrogerson
That definitely helps to explore. We do not have any companies nearby besides the RAF.
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ViciaScience
Jun 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@ljrn42
@hrogerson
was thinking about career choices at 18 before uni -nothing mentioned about importance of technicians in schools
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hrogerson
Jun 27 @ 3:57 PM EDT
I think that confident students is probably more important to encouraging them to study STEM than careers advice.
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Mr_Misquitta
Jun 27 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@teachingofsci
True, I myself didn't think of that. Always learn from
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