#CASchat Archive

Weekly chat discussing how to teach Computing at School.

Tuesday February 5, 2019
3:00 PM EST

  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #caschat! Q0: How did your school mark #SID2019?
  • clcsimon - Moderator Feb 5 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #caschat. Please join me in giving a very warm welcome to tonight's host, the wonderful @mberry
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:01 PM EST
    We’re delaying it as too busy with children’s mental health week #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Goilod Evening #caschat
  • computingchamps Feb 5 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Looks good fun! #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:02 PM EST
    I wondered if it was a coincidence that #sid2019 fell inside #ChildrensMentalHealthWeek - the online world has quite some impact on mental health. #caschat a0
    In reply to @SwayGrantham
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:03 PM EST
    A0: won't be doing mine until tomorrow #caschat
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:03 PM EST
    It’s a good opportunity to consider both. We’re doing work on Thursday. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @SwayGrantham
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Any particular reason Neil? #caschat a0
    In reply to @sneekylinux
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Evening #caschat A0: I will be leading assemblies tomorrow and workshops for parents on Friday.
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Good evening #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:04 PM EST
    What have you got planned Rebecca? #caschat a0
    In reply to @bekblayton, @SwayGrantham
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:04 PM EST
    It's also fallen at a time when the impact of social media on young people is very high profile. Seen more coverage this year than I can remember. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @SwayGrantham
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:05 PM EST
    Some of the work looking at what we share and why. Considering how social media can be useful, and what we can do if it stops being useful. Y5/Y6 #caschat A0
    In reply to @mberry, @SwayGrantham
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:06 PM EST
    I'm only part-time at school and if I didn't go in they would probably not bother with this or real CS lessons #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:06 PM EST
    #caschat Q1 What do you see as the main issues in online safety education today?
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Lovely to hear pros as well as cons of SM being discussed #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @mberry
  • MrsMounsey Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
    A0, We are marking the whole week, teachers have been sent resources to do with their forms and incorporated the pack from the safer internet day site. Finishing with PHSE on Friday #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
    A1: Right now, game addiction, specifically Fortnite. Also fake news is a huge issue, and the pressure social media places young people under. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • computingchamps Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
    A0 Worked with children and parents in sunny Byfleet today, as I have done for the past four years on Internet safety day 😬 Lots of chat around how playing an online game AKA Fortnite with someone doesn’t automatically make them your friend! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Well, they see it used by schools and adults - makes no sense to pretend not. #caschat
    In reply to @SwayGrantham, @mberry
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Tis true ..👴👨‍🎓😀#caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Anything schools can do to help with these? #caschat a1
    In reply to @hengehall
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:08 PM EST
    A1: I think online gaming and time spent online is one of the major issues. #caschat
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Agree, you can't ignore it - much more responsible to teach safe and sensible usage. #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @SwayGrantham, @mberry
  • PennyCater Feb 5 @ 3:09 PM EST
    #caschat Q1 Belief that this is an issue It won't happen to me Patents understanding and taking responsibility
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:09 PM EST
    Is it the time spent, or how they spend that time that worries you Kevin? #caschat a1
    In reply to @KJSICT
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:10 PM EST
    A1 Sometimes feel its the use of social media without the emotional maturity to deal with interaction and obviously lack of foresight about the repercussions/ ramificatiins of the digital footprints ss are creating #caschat @safeinternetday
    • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:06 PM EST
      #caschat Q1 What do you see as the main issues in online safety education today?
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:10 PM EST
    It's all about making sure there are channels of communication. Between children and parents, school and parents and children and school. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Yes - I think schools have a role to play, but so many of the problems are about use of tech outside school not inside. #caschat a1
    In reply to @PennyCater
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Time spent worries me more - really trying to push switching off devices at least an hour before bed! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:10 PM EST
    A1: lack of confidence and awareness among parents #caschat
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:11 PM EST
    A1: Social media addiction and the signs, also parents lack of understanding and awareness of what their children can actually do/are doing without their knowledge #caschat
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:11 PM EST
    Agree. And, ironically, I find parent apathy a huge barrier. #CASCHAT
    In reply to @hengehall, @mberry
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:16 PM EST
    We’ve always stated it is our role through safeguarding and the wish to keep children safe #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @duck_star
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:16 PM EST
    A2: building strong relationships and trust and awareness within a good PSHE Cross-curricular structure #caschat
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    A2: Above all talking, making them aware you know what they are doing online and weaving it in wherever you can. Firmly believe you should give broad access at school, but teach how to use responsibly. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    I so wish we could teach children and parents that the terms and conditions *do* apply! #caschat a1
    In reply to @sneekylinux, @Bob_Higham
  • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    The 'Yeah but that won't happen to me' attitude from both pupils and parents. Often aware of the risks, but doubt they will fall foul of them. #CASChat
    • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:06 PM EST
      #caschat Q1 What do you see as the main issues in online safety education today?
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    A2: Regular sessions, built into other learning where necessary (e.g. copyright when researching) #caschat
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    PEGI is now legally enforceable - in terms of selling / buying etc. #CASCHAT
    In reply to @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • RHS_Computing Feb 5 @ 3:17 PM EST
    Separate @RHS_Computing assemblies for each year group and a separate form tutor presentation as part of our @RHSWirral 'Character Education' PSHE program for two different days in the week. #LEARN #SID2019 #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @RHS_Computing, @RHSWirral
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Interesting. Why? #caschat
    In reply to @Bob_Higham
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Fortnite is a free download, so unless security settings prohibit it, no way of preventing downloads. #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    A rave of strategies- using @idea_award @CEOPUK Lots of discussion focusing on what ss are using- you can discourage and point out dangers but not stop the use so informing them to keep them safe is key #caschat
    • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:15 PM EST
      #caschat q2 What have you found the most effective ways of promoting pupils’ online safety?
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    So against the law to buy / sell games if underage? #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @Bob_Higham
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    It has to be part of the school culture - regular meetings, regularly on the curriculum and part of parents meetings. #CASCHAT
    In reply to @mberry
  • Bob_Higham Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    That is interesting - who has the responsibility to enforce? #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @mberry
  • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Working with our local PSCOs in #Bradford has been great. Their training is constantly updated and they're fantastic with the children. #caschat
    • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:15 PM EST
      #caschat q2 What have you found the most effective ways of promoting pupils’ online safety?
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    There’s a huge problem with downloading games as age restrictions aren’t as obvious and parents don’t see the ratings on a box lying around. Many of my kids didn’t know the fortnite rating #caschat
    In reply to @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • PennyCater Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    #caschat q2 we teach this as transferable skills with real life examples exploring what students can do to keep/stay safe - explore terminology ie 'friend' open up conversations they can have at home with parents and encouraging this
    In reply to @mberry
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Agreed .@chris_swan owned a great debate on this a few days ago #caschat
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Thanks - can't remember where I got the tip about using a different language but with Polish, Romanian and Filipino children in the class the opportunity presented itself! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Does it ask for DoB when creating accounts? I worry the ease with which young SM users lie about their age. #caschat #SID2019
    In reply to @hengehall, @bekblayton, @Bob_Higham
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:20 PM EST
    You need to create an account though - children lying about age on accounts, or parents agreeing via email is a problem (not just Fortnite!) #caschat
    In reply to @hengehall, @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:20 PM EST
    A2: One that I mean to implement this year is in a drama/English lesson where they play out in groups the dangers of online media/gaming, but without seeing the other group. #caschat
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:21 PM EST
    Good evening to you both! #caschat
    In reply to @clcsimon, @mberry
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:21 PM EST
    A2) Honest non judgemental discussion and being open and clear about what they should do if they feel uncomfortable about something. I also share how much I love and use the internet so they can see I'm not anti #caschat
  • computingmissa Feb 5 @ 3:21 PM EST
    A1: main issues are: 1) parental behaviours (lack of boundaries, parents modelling negative behaviours, knowledge and parental mental health) 2) students not linking knowledge with behaviours 3) lack of real-life interests, affecting #mentalhealth #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:21 PM EST
    Anyone know if this happens elsewhere too? #caschat a2
    • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:19 PM EST
      Working with our local PSCOs in #Bradford has been great. Their training is constantly updated and they're fantastic with the children. #caschat
      • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:15 PM EST
        #caschat q2 What have you found the most effective ways of promoting pupils’ online safety?
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:22 PM EST
    That is correct Miles, the parents have to buy the games as the shops themselves will refuse to.#caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @bekblayton, @Bob_Higham
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:22 PM EST
    We used to have a great PCSO pity they all disappeared down here! #caschat
    In reply to @AlwaysComputing
  • Bob_Higham Feb 5 @ 3:22 PM EST
    A straw poll of any y1 or y2 class will give you the answer to that question. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:22 PM EST
    The lying about their age thing is really worrying. #caschat #sid2019. Why isn't integrity or honesty on the list of Fundamental British Values?
    In reply to @bekblayton, @hengehall, @Bob_Higham
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Retailers. They should make checks on age. #caschat this is where the download games instead of physically buying can cause issues.
    In reply to @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Y1 and Y2 with social media accounts? #caschat
    In reply to @Bob_Higham
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:23 PM EST
    A2 Make it an everyday dialogue. Open conversations and honesty always works best for me. Coaching rather than telling them too. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:24 PM EST
    The guys at @WestYorksPolice do an amazing job. #caschat #esafety
    In reply to @mberry, @WestYorksPolice
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:24 PM EST
    Yes, and I’m amazed how many parents ke5 children lie about their age. I always tell them, if the PlayStation (or whatever) thinks your child is 18, it will treat them that way. #caschat
    In reply to @hengehall, @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:24 PM EST
    #caschat Q3 How can we encourage pupils to use their phones more productively? #SID2019
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:24 PM EST
    Gaming more of a problem at that age. Many on Fortnite (I would guess majority of KS1 boys on Fortnite in certain settings), COD. I've discussed GTA with a reception child... #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:24 PM EST
    Not to get political here, but lying is all around them even on the TV news, not just online media #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @bekblayton, @hengehall, @Bob_Higham
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Passwords usually aren't the problem. It's the human element that is easily duped in a social engineering exercise. #caschat
    In reply to @martincaddy, @mberry
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:25 PM EST
    A3: Let them brings phones into school and teach them how to use them productively! #caschat
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Sorry I am late!! We had an event in our Learning Commons, talked about consent and made pledges for future use. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
    on top of this a lot of kids lie about their age when signing up to xbox/playstation/steam #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @Bob_Higham, @mberry
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Also had a few instances of ‘dad and son’ time being when the child watches dad play Assassins Creed or GTA etc #caschat
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Yup, I used to work in one too. They took it seriously, but parents didn’t #caschat.
    In reply to @duck_star, @sneekylinux, @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Hell yeah! FS2 with their own TikTok #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
    A3) Could be controversial here but under certain conditions phones could be great in a classroom for a quick google search etc when you don't want to get a set of laptops out. Also a chance to teach responsible use #caschat
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:27 PM EST
    A3 It's interesting that they have a communication device in their pocket which is more powerful than we could have ever imagined, even 10 years ago, and the response is to ban them... #caschat
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Is anyone discussing social engineering? https://t.co/k6Z3YGlvEB #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • Bob_Higham Feb 5 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Not unknown. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • duck_star Feb 5 @ 3:27 PM EST
    #caschat A2 regularly talking about online safety and keeping the message clear and simple to understand.
    In reply to @mberry
  • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Blimey Miles. Big question that!! #caschat
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Because their ‘entitled’ and parents “know what they’re doing and don’t tell me how to parent”. Yeah, had these thrown at me a lot this week 😔 #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @bekblayton, @hengehall, @Bob_Higham
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Often more powerful, and with a better net connection, than current school computers. Not ideal for typing or coding though. #caschat a3
    In reply to @hengehall
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    A3: model, model, model... many kids have never seen a phone used other than selfies, SM rants etc! Show them other uses and they can show others #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    A0 We also have tutor activities for the week. #caschat
    • MrsMounsey Feb 5 @ 3:07 PM EST
      A0, We are marking the whole week, teachers have been sent resources to do with their forms and incorporated the pack from the safer internet day site. Finishing with PHSE on Friday #caschat
      In reply to @mberry
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    🤣 I really think banning phones makes things worse - we need to teach children how to use phones/social networks/games in An appropriate responsible way! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Am with you all the way on this one.#caschat
    In reply to @martincaddy
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:28 PM EST
    A1 The speed of change mixed with the wide scope. The area tends to be trend based and teachers working in the trend often makes Ss run a mile! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    I've heard of teachers doing role play to get the point across... #caschat a2
    In reply to @kjkillick
  • hengehall Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Not to mention the places VR can take you #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    12 but ‘everyone’ plays it so it’s ok. Until they spend all their parents money 😏 #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    I agree, banning things never works. They need to be shown that you can have a phone and a life. Appreciate that all schools are different though. #caschat
    In reply to @KJSICT, @mberry
  • MWimpennyS Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    A3 get the online content that we want them to learn on their phones. #caschat
  • AlwaysComputing Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Is this in our opinion or in the opinion of our esteemed education minister @mberry?!? #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    A3: have a lead policy and expectations to define appropriate and positive use. And utilise phone accessible tools during learning. If they only know distraction uses how can they use them for good. School is a model. #caschat
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    I wrote this as well as a bit of a conversation starter: What Parents Need to Know About Videogames https://t.co/f1TjVULYHn #caschat
    In reply to @duck_star, @sneekylinux, @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Definitely. Jusy do a show of hands survey for the top 5 SM platforms- I do it regularly- real eye opener. Plus the number of ss who have more than 1 account on same platform. They don't use password remind, just make a new account, Huge Digtal footprints #caschat
    • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:26 PM EST
      Hell yeah! FS2 with their own TikTok #caschat
      In reply to @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    A3 model it and have open conversations that accepts realistic approaches to how they use their phone. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • Bob_Higham Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Next time you are in a primary school ask y2 what kit they have and whether they use it without supervision and what accounts they have. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    A3: have a clear policy and expectations to define appropriate and positive use. And utilise phone accessible tools during learning. If they only know distraction uses how can they use them for good. School is a model. #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    YES! That would have been my answer :-) #caschat a3
    In reply to @SwayGrantham
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Agree completely. #caschat
    In reply to @PennyCater, @hengehall, @mberry
  • computingmissa Feb 5 @ 3:30 PM EST
    A2: Daily discussions and great resources- #scenariocards and @Barclays #OnlineSafety videos worked well, as well as #googleinterland. We also showed the parents the @CEOPUK videos about grooming - super effective! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Barclays, @CEOPUK
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    When covering this topic with students I went around the class asking for names of close relatives, first pets, primary school, nicknames etc. Seemingly innocent conversations. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    I'm sure one of the things we need to teach is how not to be distracted by them. #caschat a3
    In reply to @lizjonesLTM
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    A3: We need to show them that their phone is not just for media/games and show them that it is a computer in their pocket. There are so many useful apps out there for GPS, gyro, heat etc #caschat
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Akso thete are still the free echo see age restriction guide as a skill level challenge #caschat
    • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:29 PM EST
      12 but ‘everyone’ plays it so it’s ok. Until they spend all their parents money 😏 #caschat
      In reply to @mberry, @Bob_Higham
  • duck_star Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    #caschat If you use your phone all the time then your children will see you using your phone all the time. I love those times in restaurants when you see whole familes all on their mobile phones not interacting.
    In reply to @SwayGrantham, @mberry
  • PennyCater Feb 5 @ 3:31 PM EST
    #caschat we do this to some degree in yr8 now - have great discussions about this as they have no idea!
    In reply to @kjkillick, @mberry
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:32 PM EST
    So I have a personal issues with VR experiences. My area has several ‘centres’ and kids can go and play whatever games they fancy pay per hour. 1) we’re not sure about health and VR with young chn 2) there’s no age ratings and they’re always full of young children! #caschat
    In reply to @hengehall, @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:32 PM EST
    I've seen similar things done using online surveys, and not just by Cambridge Analytica ;-) NC for KS1: 'keep personal information private'! #caschat
    In reply to @kjkillick
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Very true. If the ‘digital natives’ don’t learn about a device then why should they automatically use it well? It’s the ‘chimps and a typewriter will write Shakespeare analogy’ all over again. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • duck_star Feb 5 @ 3:33 PM EST
    When you learn the secret of that Miles let me know. We'll make millions. 😁 #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @lizjonesLTM
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Exactly #caschat
    • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:32 PM EST
      Or set up a new one when their parents find out. All open to the public with hundreds of ‘fans’
      In reply to @DdR333
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:33 PM EST
    #caschat q4 How can we encourage more positive uses of social media? #sid2019
  • PennyCater Feb 5 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #caschat we need to get it renamed from a phone to a computer device! Only #android #AppleEDUChat can help with that!
    In reply to @sneekylinux
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Definitely need to keep an eye on VR - wouldn’t adopt just yet. It’s powerful! And can be scary and difficult to distinguish reality from it for some. #caschat
    In reply to @SwayGrantham, @hengehall, @mberry
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:34 PM EST
    I literally never see Ss use their phone as a phone. They use it in the same way they use their iPads or laptops. Same apps. Treat the phone as just another tool. #caschat
    In reply to @KJSICT, @mberry
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:34 PM EST
    A3, THis is hard though isn't it. I am looking at it now, how do we get that enthusiasm and engagement back into their 'normal' lives, not just gaming ones. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @lizjonesLTM
  • SwayGrantham Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Better than this: how to recognise you’re being distracted by a device. Loads of research into adults thinking they can ‘multitask’ proves this is generally a myth! #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @lizjonesLTM
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    A4: Again I think it’s modelling good use and unblocking it and teaching children how to use it - difficult in primary, but Y6’s do tend to already be on! #caschat
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    A3 can we get people to use a full blown computer first? What do people want to accomplish with smart devices? Is photography a skill we want to promote? #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    A4) #caschat is a positive use of social media. Encourage students to collaborate and bring in examples of how they can learn on it. Its here to stay got to work with it for the best.
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    A4 I think alot of students manage this well. Private accounts and thought about positive profiling. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
    It's about balance, I think? Broadening horizons. #caschat a3
    In reply to @clairegowland, @lizjonesLTM
  • stormeducation Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    There is also AR that's coming #caschat
    In reply to @bekblayton, @SwayGrantham, @hengehall, @mberry
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Model! I always talk to the children about the places social media takes you and the links it’s created for school. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Also, use it positively with the community #caschat A3
    In reply to @mberry
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #caschat I think that the idea of a departmental twitter feed is a good idea. I've done it in previous schools where i set "challenges" on the feed, first student to answer with the right answer gets a prize (not allowed dept feed in this school)
    In reply to @mberry
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    How can you keep information private when all your emails are stored online? #tinfoilhat #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Y3 upwards have mobile phones #caschat
    • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:35 PM EST
      A4: Again I think it’s modelling good use and unblocking it and teaching children how to use it - difficult in primary, but Y6’s do tend to already be on! #caschat
  • computingmissa Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    A3: modelling is great, but I also think a checklist/questions list for online behaviours works well: - When did you last ask someone a question face2face? - List all your hobbies offline - How many hours have you been online for today? #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • MWimpennyS Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    A4 by modelling and do things like we are at this very moment having a question lead debate and using it to promote collaboration and critical thinking #caschat
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    If I banned my son from having a phone, his apps wouldn't change. The medium might but the process is just the same on a different device. #caschat
    In reply to @KJSICT, @mberry
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Yes and making those alternative horizons as interesting as fortnite. #caschat a3
    In reply to @mberry, @lizjonesLTM
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Should schools do something about Y6 use of SM accounts? Report pupils and get the accounts shut down? Teach positive / safe use? #caschat #sid2019 a4
    In reply to @KJSICT
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    I have trouble walking and talking at the same time let alone multitasking with breathing as well !!!! #caschat
    In reply to @SwayGrantham, @mberry, @lizjonesLTM
  • bekblayton Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Yes AR is useful, and there’s a few bits around now, love the iPad stuff with organs/skeleton and the mars rover! #caschat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @SwayGrantham, @hengehall, @mberry
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM EST
    #caschat we also used to do a #fridayfollow, but with people/feeds that kids would be interested in (not just computing, but other topics too e.g. historialpics)
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:38 PM EST
    And anyone who says otherwise is welcome to host #caschat!
    In reply to @SwayGrantham, @lizjonesLTM
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:38 PM EST
    #caschat use an encrypted mail server
    In reply to @kjkillick, @mberry
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:39 PM EST
    In my opinion No - I don’t think we should promote use of social media, but if children are already on it, we should be able to support them to use it safely and responsibly. If we report they could still sign up again. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:39 PM EST
    'Keep your personal information private' in the NC at KS1, but private from whom? Your parents? Your ISP / email provider? Your government? #caschat #sid2019
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:39 PM EST
    #caschat last year in our school we introduced onenote, we've started on the teams thing with year 12, but not had much effect this year....too much else on. I'm trying to think of a plan to make Y12 and 13 more "social" in computing. sharing without using too much email.
  • duck_star Feb 5 @ 3:39 PM EST
    I used to report accounts, but often it's complex to do. In reality they are unlikely to stop using the account so it's better for them to use the account safely then just create a new one and use it unsafely if I got it deleted #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @KJSICT
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I’m always like the parents evening moment when you suggest ‘turn off the WiFi for the WHOLE family. #itallgoesveryquiet #caschat
    In reply to @SwayGrantham
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:40 PM EST
    Teach them to be more mature than adults? #caschat A3 ps evening all
    In reply to @mberry
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I completely agree, they are more likely to be open, disscuss and ask for help. #caschat
    In reply to @duck_star, @mberry
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:41 PM EST
    What about the password protection, security patches etc. #caschat
    In reply to @Mr_G_ICT, @mberry
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:41 PM EST
    #caschat I've done no work tonight and now feel really guilty about it! (apart from my swimming and going ot a mental health training session after school #teacherburnout
  • Bob_Higham Feb 5 @ 3:41 PM EST
    We have Google Suite for Education accounts for y3 up. Allows pupils to use apps and tools in a more controlled environment. Enables school to model appropriate behaviour etc. I'm pretty sure that any attempt to ban would be futile tbh. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @KJSICT
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:42 PM EST
    #caschat q5 How can we best connect online safety and CS education? #sid2019
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:42 PM EST
    We're glad you're here Ben! #caschat
    In reply to @Mr_G_ICT
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:43 PM EST
    A3 If this is in school, you could deploy the 3 Ls. Use only in library, lockers, and Lessons. Library and lessons are monitored and have teacher leadership whilst the locker the phone isn't in use. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Maybe boards with @padlet or Linoit? #caschat
    • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:39 PM EST
      #caschat last year in our school we introduced onenote, we've started on the teams thing with year 12, but not had much effect this year....too much else on. I'm trying to think of a plan to make Y12 and 13 more "social" in computing. sharing without using too much email.
  • VisionsByVicky Feb 5 @ 3:43 PM EST
    A5: I think for any school that uses Scratch, it's a great place to start. Many opportunities there to teach about being safe online and to teach proper etiquette for how to treat others online. #caschat #SID2019
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:43 PM EST
    OK, so not actually 'using' them in the locker. #caschat
    In reply to @4954education
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:44 PM EST
    No!!! I’ve had so much abuse for being “creepy” for looking at PUBLIC SM this week and saying I will report underage accounts if used for cyber bullying. They all know the right way to use SM but it doesn’t seem to apply when they leave the classroom #caschat
    In reply to @DdR333
  • computingmissa Feb 5 @ 3:44 PM EST
    A4: tricky one! Think most people have echoed my thinking... the need in #primary to explain what the different platforms are and the rules and boundaries is important. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:44 PM EST
    * from parents. Who also do not use social media respectfully, kindly or safely 🙄 #caschat
    In reply to @DdR333
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    A5 simple! Cyber security!!! @CyberDiscUK is a good way to get started and then start looking at vulnerabilities as "reading around the subject" #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @CyberDiscUK
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    #caschat sorry i'm late(should be marking Year 12 Functions and sub procedures programing examples)
    In reply to @mberry
  • martincaddy Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    A5) Online safety is a constant can be taught in all sessions where relevant and also across the curriculum #caschat
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    A5: now this question is more for secondary I feel, but if anyone has any ideas for primary i am all ears 👨‍🏫😎👯‍♂️ #caschat
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Remember that research where children said they ‘wanted their parents to get off their phones’ #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Yeah. A lack of technical understanding can often be a big part of the problem. Password hacking; non-SSL sites, spoofing links, false sense of anonymity etc. #caschat a5
    In reply to @clairegowland
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:46 PM EST
    A5 #caschat @idea_award
    • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:45 PM EST
      A5: now this question is more for secondary I feel, but if anyone has any ideas for primary i am all ears 👨‍🏫😎👯‍♂️ #caschat
  • KJSICT Feb 5 @ 3:46 PM EST
    A5: link when relevant, I think Online Safety is best taught across the whole curriculum when relevant. #caschat
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #caschat I'm sure it was someone on CAS who developed a Ready Player One unit. It focuses on ethics and e-safety. We use it in year 9 to practice essay questions as well as develop a greater understanidng of e-safety. Our learning journey identifies e-safety as a main strand
    In reply to @mberry
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:47 PM EST
    NC has 'how the internet works' - plenty of links there... #caschat a5
    In reply to @sneekylinux
  • stormeducation Feb 5 @ 3:48 PM EST
    We have recently created SSL versions of our sites. But I don't check whether a site is SSL or not #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @clairegowland
  • clairegowland Feb 5 @ 3:48 PM EST
    Yes, this definitely and it links in easily. I was thinking more of content that can be delivered through PHSE or that is often given to CS in KS3, when little time. It must be a whole school program too. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #caschat e-safety feeds into ethics of computing and cyber security, so start at a low level with the simple stuff (viruses, malware, online predators) and build up. Remember a hacker can be a form of online predator (depending on the hack)
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Love @scratch online education accounts. Respect, collaboration and support all being taught alongside coding #caschat
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @mberry, @scratch
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    ... and often in school installed certificates break SSL encryption at the gateway, but do we explain this to the pupils? #caschat a5
    In reply to @stormeducation, @clairegowland
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Q4:social media is a tough one. The range of platforms and people and the pace of change is hard. Modelling use of professional accounts with older Ss might be key. KS2 can discuss dangers but when they’re not old enough to use it then it’s hard to explore. #caschat
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Do you have access to Yammer or Slack? I'm trying to get people to move away from email chains and to me this is one of the best platforms for collaborative working. #caschat
    In reply to @Mr_G_ICT
  • cas_london_crc Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #caschat a4 just catching up - I'm assuming people mentioned the new @BarefootComp stop think do you consent - using the children's commissioners advise on social media use?
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    To be fair most people have no clue at all "how t'Internet works" may as well be magic Aka garlic bread or cheese cake to them #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @sneekylinux
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Have used them Miles thanks from yr4 upwards, I just need some more stuff but don't know what yet (brain ache..lol) #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • computingmissa Feb 5 @ 3:50 PM EST
    A5: Share examples of why this is important - Data breaches at the big organisations! The minute I explain that the adverts which are linked to searches are created using algorithms, the kids instantly want to know how and why. #makeitreal #caschat #SID2019
    In reply to @mberry
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:50 PM EST
    We have @SlackHQ @MicrosoftTeams the lot. Didn't make any difference to emails. Banning email attachment and delivering a better MIS had seen > 50% reduction in emails #caschat
    In reply to @kjkillick, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:50 PM EST
    #caschat we have learning pillars in our communiy E-safety, Networks and Hardware, Data Rep and Algorithms. plotting a learning journey from Year 13 all the way back to year 7 (just wish i had the time to do a primary plan)
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:51 PM EST
    They ARE using it though and are fully aware they are lying to do so, we have to warn of dangers but arm then to keep safe #caschat
    • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:49 PM EST
      Q4:social media is a tough one. The range of platforms and people and the pace of change is hard. Modelling use of professional accounts with older Ss might be key. KS2 can discuss dangers but when they’re not old enough to use it then it’s hard to explore. #caschat
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Yeah - UR trainees find cross site tracking cookies really creepy! #caschat a5
    In reply to @computingmissa
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:52 PM EST
    #caschat Q6 (the easy one...) What would a #betterinternet be like? #SID2019
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:52 PM EST
    A5 I explain it like this: "We have a proxy-based filter than can carry out deep packet inspection and SSL decryption if we want to. Behave and we respect your privacy. The school internet connection is for learning not social media and @NetflixUK " #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @stormeducation, @clairegowland, @NetflixUK
  • cas_london_crc Feb 5 @ 3:52 PM EST
    #caschat A4 My favorite video is https://t.co/STBF3KLacF - fab opportunity for poetry, dance, writing
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Looks like you found the root of your problem! #caschat
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • MrsLMJ Feb 5 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Isn’t it Google and YouTube 😂🤣 #caschat
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @mberry, @sneekylinux
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:53 PM EST
    A6 - FOSS FTW #caschat
    In reply to @mberry
  • stormeducation Feb 5 @ 3:53 PM EST
    I was wondering if slack worked in schools. A lot of people seem to use it in industry (but they also access lots of other 'channels') #caschat
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @kjkillick, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:53 PM EST
    ikr, its like witchcraft in the 21st century for them.. 🧙‍♀️🧹#caschat
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @mberry
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:53 PM EST
    A5: I think PSHE makes a good link. And it’s a better context for relationship related education to help guide on-line behaviours. #caschat
  • computing_reddy Feb 5 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Good evening #caschat Super late to the party but I love reading through the tweets. 5 - linking both to real life scenarios such as the effects of the ‘like’ and ‘share’ button has on people. Also to include online safety in most computing lessons.
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:54 PM EST
    Can you do something similar with Google or MS services that schools may already subscribe to? #caschat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @kjkillick, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #caschat
    In reply to @sneekylinux, @mberry
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:54 PM EST
    There is definitely an etiquette to communicating over Skype/online chat/WebEx that you need to know. #caschat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Should we be teaching this in school? #caschat
    In reply to @kjkillick, @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • mberry Feb 5 @ 3:56 PM EST
    "The internet isn't working' :-) #caschat
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @sneekylinux
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:56 PM EST
    I thought this would be part of ICT? #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:56 PM EST
    It's just etiquette. The medium is irrelevant #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @kjkillick, @stormeducation, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:57 PM EST
    i'm looking into a lot more onenote development for departments, hoping it will consolidate information and reduce the over-use of lots of individual word documents being sent. Organisation and training is key #caschat - plan the rollout rather than throwing it in without thought
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @kjkillick, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • PennyCater Feb 5 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #caschat And the cloud is ......
    In reply to @Jon_Torbitt, @mberry, @sneekylinux
  • DdR333 Feb 5 @ 3:57 PM EST
    I totally agree. My ss know the legal and moral treason for age restriction but also that we have their best in heresy in min d, but cas not setup then if parents are aware and condone their activity #caschat
    • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:55 PM EST
      True but it’s a very grey area I prefer to use this good relationships to discuss what they’re doing and explore why they should not be doing it. Also reinforcing with parents.
      In reply to @DdR333
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Don't they store it at the top of Big Ben for better reception? #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @sneekylinux
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #caschat Them: "The internet is broken" Me: "You're correct on a conceptual level but not on a physical level" Them "Wot!?"
    In reply to @mberry, @Mr_G_ICT, @sneekylinux
  • sneekylinux Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    "And that's why its witchcraft young student, you have to use a spell called turn it on, it's in your spell folder..!!" #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT
  • lizjonesLTM Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Q6: a better internet? Blimey is Q7: the answer to world peace? 🌍#caschat
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #caschat it's life skills, we need to be careful about how we develop curriculums. Don't throw IT out, but integrate it in the way that we teach computing e.g. i teach IF statements in a context when i teach a unit on spreadsheets
    In reply to @kjkillick, @mberry, @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Yup true. Get @OneNoteEDU to help they will done it a million times #caschat
    In reply to @Mr_G_ICT, @kjkillick, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams, @OneNoteEDU
  • Mr_G_ICT Feb 5 @ 3:59 PM EST
    #caschat i get mad when people say "bring back ICT", a well designed computing curriculum can cover all three aspects: ICT, Computing and Digital Literacy.
    In reply to @kjkillick, @mberry, @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • Jon_Torbitt Feb 5 @ 3:59 PM EST
    Don't you mean iMedia!? #caschat
    In reply to @kjkillick, @mberry, @stormeducation, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • kjkillick Feb 5 @ 3:59 PM EST
    One thing I found issues with OneNote is organisation. I've found wikis better in that sense. However, the live updated are just pure genius #caschat
    In reply to @Mr_G_ICT, @Jon_Torbitt, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams
  • 4954education Feb 5 @ 3:59 PM EST
    Yes. Directly and indirectly through teachable moments etc. No different to how we work with supporting communication in a non-digital context. #caschat
    In reply to @mberry, @kjkillick, @stormeducation, @Jon_Torbitt, @Mr_G_ICT, @SlackHQ, @MicrosoftTeams