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hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:00 PM EDT

@ViciaScience https://t.co/9ggGB7aOxp #practicalphysics all the way! #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:01 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I haven't checked the Keith Gibbs book yet. But if those two places don't have s physics expt it's not worth doing! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:01 PM EDT

Good evening #ASEChat @floorphillaz is laid up in hospital so stepping in for a chat with a technician flavour tonight.

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:03 PM EDT

Tonights #ASEChat is starting off by considering tips for practical work, and especially required practicals

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:03 PM EDT

Technicians are so important, the right technician team makes the department run so smoothly. #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:04 PM EDT

Any good ideas for osmosis experiments, particularly with potato? #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:04 PM EDT

@hrogerson so how do you recruit technicians and help them become part of the team? #ASEChat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I find it works best with blackcurrant (Ribena etc), can get results in one lesson #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@ViciaScience we're looking at how it works with carrots (can't say more!) I hope it works. #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@ViciaScience this is a major concern. Technicians getting older. Degree level job, rubbish pay. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@doc_kristy by measuring mass change? Got stuck removing potato cores from cork borer the other day #ASEChat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@hrogerson #asechat Agreed. Yet often the most overlooked member of school staff...!

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@ViciaScience yes mass change, always find salt water too slow #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:07 PM EDT

Does that not influence the results?? #ASEChat https://t.co/IdiZSFgIJm

PatKingston Jun 6 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@ViciaScience microwave it to destruction

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@Preproom not many people realise the knowledge they have. #asechat

teacherchalky1 Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @doc_kristy Could it be done in a petri dish and measure the increase in length? #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience yep #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience we don't ask for a degree but find all applicants have them #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson Rarely are science technician jobs advertised as graduate level tho many technicians are graduates #ASEChat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience and it's getting worse. Most jobs are now term time only as well #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience rubbish pay correlates with complacency as it's a job often chosen by graduate mums because it's sch hours #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@jk_graves The damage done by 1.0 M sucrose solution often underestimated #ASEChat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson Hence the need for #techognition - educating school leaders as to how important techs are. #asechat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson Most of us are over qualified but also older and a lot are retiring without being replaced 😕 #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@MrL_Sewts @jk_graves find angle of dangle gives clear indication of cellular changes. Length takes a while #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts Agree, usually do over a couple of days #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@floorphillaz @ViciaScience this is concerning, money is tight and support staff jobs are being made redundant... #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@floorphillaz @hrogerson I am concerned about reduced numbers of science technicians. Is there evidence of this nationally? #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts We usually do mass change to be honest and then work out as a percentage change. Exam qs common on this #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts @jk_graves ha! Angle of dangle! Using that when we do the osmosis prac at the end of the month. #asechat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience Yet SLT's are expanding... #asechat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience In our survey of 1310 techs, 49% have degrees.. which surprised us greatly considering the pay #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@Preproom @hrogerson so how should @theASE promote RSciTech , indeed if you think that would help? #ASEChat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson check out @Preproom survey #asechat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience You're not the only one.. you're in good company. #asechat https://t.co/UjmsP4DioZ

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@jk_graves @MrL_Sewts Mass change in potato cylinders is specified by some ABs. Some good maths in finding % change #ASEChat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@floorphillaz @ViciaScience @hrogerson Survey download here: https://t.co/FV1e0Bw8BO I'm sure you've seen it though already. #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Preproom @theASE needs to be more obvious on how to pay by invoice by the school? #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@Science_HOD @doc_kristy @hrogerson @ASEChat So how does your school recruit fresh eyed eager applicants? #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts There certainly is. Some of my Ss find it impossible to do when they are outside the maths classroom! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@hrogerson @MrL_Sewts @jk_graves Stick a pin down the end (dissecting pin) as a pointer to help read protractor #ASEChat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ViciaScience There's a debate whether RsciTech helps techs directly to be honest. It's rarely recognised by schools. #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@hrogerson Absolutely! And we're recruiting @StaffordGrammar at the moment... #shamelessplug #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:17 PM EDT

Need to promote surveys like this to make all staff aware - and not just heads of science #ASEChat https://t.co/mdUxT7uwwL

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@floorphillaz @ViciaScience @hrogerson Survey download here: https://t.co/FV1e0Bw8BO I'm sure you've seen it though already. #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:18 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Science_HOD @hrogerson overall good local reputation, on site childcare, free lunches, staff leisure benefits #asechat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:18 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Don't get me wrong, RsciTech is useful and a good training tool but only useful on CV once techs leave the profession #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:18 PM EDT

One of the core pracs that concerns me management wise is drawing microscope slides. Will the 2nx half of the pair get bored? #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Science_HOD @hrogerson @ASEChat 2 vacancies recently, plenty of applicants, better than for teaching posts! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@jk_graves @MrL_Sewts these 'simple' maths operations need to be used frequently in science to ensure confidence #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:20 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts ha ha ha, you can only imagine how regularly we've used it! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@Preproom I agree - not easy to gain recognition even within science department. Need professional status. Any suggestions? #ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts working with maths to try and get them to use "science" stuff in examples. eg f=ma when doing algebra #asechat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts try and get a bit of common language but the "boxing" is hard to overcome #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:22 PM EDT

And I am deeply concerned about this activity - lack of drawing skill, lack of measuring skill #ASEChat https://t.co/8SWqFN9O0h

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:18 PM EDT

One of the core pracs that concerns me management wise is drawing microscope slides. Will the 2nx half of the pair get bored? #asechat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Need a dedicated union more! #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@hrogerson can half the class do drawing and other half some microscope calcs or Qs and the swap over? #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I think we're supposed to do something to do with measuring and working out sizes too. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:24 PM EDT

You have read Language of Mathematics in Science #ASEChat https://t.co/4MKAFZt6ck

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @MrL_Sewts try and get a bit of common language but the "boxing" is hard to overcome #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@Preproom Yes,. @theASE will support but not a union and cannot negotiate terms and conditions #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:25 PM EDT

@ViciaScience but it's not really implied, more related to OCR using the opportunity. We don't have the g-things on microscopes tho #asechat

edubabbIe Jun 6 @ 3:25 PM EDT

The researcher wants to do. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:25 PM EDT

@hrogerson How do people overcome the problems of cost with stage micrometers when all ss will be expected to measure cells etc? #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@ViciaScience cry on the HT? #asechat (it won't get don't properly).

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@hrogerson I have found real difficulties with units and calculations when people measure using a microscope #ASEChat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@ViciaScience The only way T&Cs and P&Cs can be negotiated is via a union, otherwise they are just 'recommendations' & ignored. #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I didn't do this until Y12 and the rest of the class struggled. (I have always been a maths genius). #asechat 💪

CazGerrard Jun 6 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience No, neither do we #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@hrogerson I read somewhere an enterprising technician made micrometers using photographs of rulers. #ASEChat Any further details?

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ViciaScience hopefully @Preproom will have good ideas to do the required pracs on a shoestring! #asechat

GillCaunt Jun 6 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat I agree, students cannot cope with expected maths or drawing skills

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson When you work in the lab, you take photographs of the images you see down microscopes, no drawing required #asechat

CazGerrard Jun 6 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson ooh like that idea!! #asechat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson Yes it was someone in the FB group. I'll try and find it 😊 #asechat. Some amazing homemade equipment out there.

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:31 PM EDT

So of people online at the moment, how many consider you have a full complement of technicians?#ASEChat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson dislike "old school" tasks for the sake of it #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson We do that in Y8, but measuring as small as a cell is very different #asechat

Preproom Jun 6 @ 3:32 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience Lots of technician tips on our forums & our tech community is VERY knowledgeable & happy to help! #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:32 PM EDT

@Science_HOD @PatKingston @hrogerson @ViciaScience good combination with senior tech who is experienced chemist #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:32 PM EDT

@ViciaScience last year we had 1.2, this year 1. But it's working well so far. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:33 PM EDT

Hope so - some need further advice beyond that in spec, eg how ensure your amylase is temperature sensitive #ASEChat https://t.co/LNIyWsG85F

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ViciaScience hopefully @Preproom will have good ideas to do the required pracs on a shoestring! #asechat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@ViciaScience We have a full set, chem, phys, 11 labs. One soon to retire #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@floorphillaz @ViciaScience @hrogerson Got a feeling that the original idea came from @CLEAPSS ? #asechat

Science_HOD Jun 6 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @PatKingston @hrogerson @ViciaScience like a straight man and comedian. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:33 PM EDT

Unless these are built in at elementary level in KS3? #ASEChat https://t.co/pcLJjwoMre

GillCaunt Jun 6 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat I agree, students cannot cope with expected maths or drawing skills

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Used to have 4 full time. Now only 2 and I spend a lot of time managing ICT as well! #asechat

GillCaunt Jun 6 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat Last year 1.5 this year only 1, not sufficient!

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @ViciaScience @hrogerson this is useful https://t.co/y6QWwu1wYT #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @GillCaunt @CazGerrard but it maybe that three years have passed without this because we didn't know it was required!😡#asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@ViciaScience full set here, 2 x chem, 2 x bio, 2 x physics #asechat

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @ViciaScience @hrogerson can copy onto acetate to make micrometers #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@jk_graves @hrogerson I have a soft spot for biological drawing to promote observation #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@DRBAstro @hrogerson very difficult if first object to be measured in biology is a cell #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@MrL_Sewts That feels like an adequate resource. Is that common in your area? #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:37 PM EDT

The chemistry expt that had made us pause is distillation of ink. Potential for damaged quickfit? #asechat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@ChinoTea @ViciaScience @hrogerson it was Cynthia Stokes 😊 #asechat https://t.co/MsxogxjwPI

CazGerrard Jun 6 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson Thankyou!! 😀 #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:39 PM EDT

#asechat https://t.co/DK9mHsSpkJ

mrsjmasters Jun 6 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson also a great idea. can use phone or iPad to take photo & then draw from photo to free up m/scopes

jk_graves Jun 6 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@mrsjmasters @ViciaScience @hrogerson Does that work? #asechat

Os190 Jun 6 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@hrogerson why damaged?? #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@ViciaScience No, did have 2; both retiring this year & being replaced with 1.5 :( #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@jk_graves @mrsjmasters @ViciaScience I can't get the iPad to focus thanks to the case :-( iPhone 5C not good either. 4S was gd tho #asechat

Mr_Gillett Jun 6 @ 3:41 PM EDT

Anyone doing Den Day for STEM club? Resources to run session and raise money for Save the Children at https://t.co/ZnjUpgxLZi #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@Os190 the students seem to bash them together when getting out/putting away. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@jk_graves @hrogerson Had great fun at #ASEConf when all of us had to draw an apple - fascinating outcome #ASEChat

floorphillaz Jun 6 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@hrogerson cherry coke works well as an alternative #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@ChinoTea Current situation sounds wonderful - the spreading could be painful #ASEChat

mrsjmasters Jun 6 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson Yeah. here's a few recent ones. Kids love doing it. #asechat https://t.co/d5WGkpRw6R

PatKingston Jun 6 @ 3:42 PM EDT

#asechat I'm slow tonight - one eye on Springwatch

mrsjmasters Jun 6 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@danielkwest_ @jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson does take a bit of wiggling and focussing #asechat

gregtheseal Jun 6 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @ViciaScience 1.5 here. #asechat

doc_kristy Jun 6 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@hrogerson we don't use quick fit, improvised air condensers are fine #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@DRBAstro thanks for information - will be collating responses. Appears numbers of technicians as well as hours are diminishing #ASEchat

Newmanphysics Jun 6 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat This is my insect collection to make slides from. camera over lens https://t.co/CgK6G16t5h

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:45 PM EDT

Other than the ripple tank the other required prac that will do my head in is acceleration. Tucker timers anyone?!? 😜😫 #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @doc_kristy @ViciaScience 1.5 here too #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@hrogerson @jk_graves @mrsjmasters Need a steady hand and patience, but always found iPhones good for microscope photography #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @jk_graves @mrsjmasters banned!! #asechat

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@hrogerson Yup. Results are usually rubbish, but a good one for evaluating. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:47 PM EDT

Jewellers lens stuck with blutack on phone camera lens makes useful low power microscope #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@hrogerson @jk_graves @mrsjmasters Of course - why not? More computing power than on Apollo capsule some say #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:48 PM EDT

Once I blow off the dust! #asechat https://t.co/balQs7OzGr

physicsdave Jun 6 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@hrogerson ticker times? They are easy to use

Newmanphysics Jun 6 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@mrsjmasters @danielkwest_ @jk_graves @ViciaScience @hrogerson spectrum bulb photographed spectroscope #asechat https://t.co/VQc0sKZ0UX

SteveTeachPhys Jun 6 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@jk_graves @CazGerrard @ViciaScience @hrogerson can you use a diffraction grating as a stage micrometer? Only needs known spacing? #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@hrogerson Do you use accelerometer on phones to measure motion in physics? #ASEChat #tickertimer

Newmanphysics Jun 6 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat you can get ones that clip on an iPad. You can also if brave use a drop of water

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@ViciaScience banned!! I want to get the girls vernier physics, hoping it works on iPads? #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@Newmanphysics @mrsjmasters @danielkwest_ @jk_graves @hrogerson Try comparing CFL, halogen and LED 'white light' bulb? #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@PatKingston @DRBAstro but only one set of light gates and appropriate track/trolley. :/ #asechat

ChinoTea Jun 6 @ 3:52 PM EDT

#ASEChat This was taken using the focusing lens from an CD player blu-tacked on to an iPhone https://t.co/tlmsQoAur9

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@Newmanphysics And can butcher a laser pointer and use mini lens from that glued on stiff card #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@hrogerson Vernier physics is great on iPads and easier to use than phone. Wrongly named software! #ASEchat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@ViciaScience cheers! Will get on again about mass purchase for iPads. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:56 PM EDT

How do people show in p.syn expts, that light intensity is not proportional to distance? #ASEChat #forgetphysicswhendoingbiology

ChinoTea Jun 6 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@ChinoTea #ASEChat and this one https://t.co/EogXCw79OJ

Science_HOD Jun 6 @ 3:57 PM EDT

ASE Teachmeet. Northants. RT & Sign up. #asechat https://t.co/gQ8uAQwpbN https://t.co/Nqf1klNL6p https://t.co/f2r0CHmVqq

ThomasCarlPion Jun 6 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson Make vernier scale by reducing graph paper by 90% #asechat

ThomasCarlPion Jun 6 @ 3:58 PM EDT

Sorry #asechat ers. Late to the party as usual. Been marking GCSE papers #depressing

DRBAstro Jun 6 @ 3:58 PM EDT

@hrogerson @PatKingston Still prefer the low-tech option. Ticker tape is a very visual output to analyse #asechat

hrogerson Jun 6 @ 3:58 PM EDT

@ViciaScience they don't get area... #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 6 @ 3:59 PM EDT

Hope to create a posting list from tonights #ASEChat and share on here tonight. Will be extracting data on technician provision for Gatsby