#sblchat Archive


Wednesday December 13, 2017
9:00 PM EST

  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Good evening and welcome to #sblchat! We are talking about helping others with the Shift in Mindset to Standards Based Grading. Please start intros (name, role, location)
  • kirk_humphreys Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Kirk here from the Chicago Northshore. I teach 6-8th grade double accelerated math in a flipped classroom. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Hi Kirk! #sblchat
    In reply to @kirk_humphreys
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Good evening! Nat Vaughn, Blake MS Principal, Medfield MA #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Hi, I'm Joe and I'm the social studies instructional leader for my school district in CT. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome Nat! #sblchat
    In reply to @nat_vaughn
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Good evening Joe! #sblchat
    In reply to @jmarangell
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hi! Becky Prebble, English, Western suburbs of Chicago. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Welcome to our #sblchat Crew! @garnet_hillman and I welcome you to our last chat of 2017 on Mindset in Standards-Based Learning!
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hey #sblchat - Dave joining from Ankeny, IA I teach US History, Econ and AP Micro (suburban Des Moines)
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Always great to have you with us Becky! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hi all, I'm Emilia. I'm a high school English teacher from CT. #sblchat
  • JohnSchlender Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    John, MS principal. Mayville, WI Great to be here. #sblchat @1stEdResources
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Brian, HS ELA in WI. Ready for #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Good evening Emilia! #sblchat
    In reply to @MsCaturano
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    We're pleased to welcome you, Joe #sblchat
    • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:00 PM EST
      Hi, I'm Joe and I'm the social studies instructional leader for my school district in CT. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hi Becky! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hello #sblchat! Katie, 6th grade science teacher, tweeting from the chilly Chicagoland area tonight. Happy to be here on our last chat of 2017!
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    I'm Garnet, an author and educational consultant from the Chicagoland area. Happy too close out #sblchat for 2017 with my good friend @RoweRikW.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi Brian! #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    John, so happy to welcome you! #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Adam. Social Studies DC. Aurora, IL. Let’s end the year motivated to start a new one! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Thanks for joining us John! #sblchat
    In reply to @JohnSchlender, @1stEdResources
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi, I am Katie White from Canada. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Stoked to be with @garnet_hillman and this dedicated PLN! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hey friend! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    I’m Mike, a Biology Teacher at Hilton HS near Rochester NY #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi Adam! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrdyche
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Greetings Katie! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Yay, Katie is here! Thanks for joining us tonight. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Good evening! Social Studies Department Chair at Glenbard East High School in Illinois #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hiya pal!! :) #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Pete Sullivan—Supt from outside Chicago. Happily watching my house repopulate as my college kids return home for break. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hi Katie #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Great to welcome you, Mike! #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Good evening Mike! #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hello,I'm Lane. I teach HS math in St.Louis #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Brett from IA, finally a night off from basketball and cheer! #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hello Mike! Happy Wednesday!! #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    That's awesome! Thanks for joining us Pete. #sblchat
    In reply to @DrPeteSullivan
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Motivated to see You, Adam! #sblchat
    • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:02 PM EST
      Adam. Social Studies DC. Aurora, IL. Let’s end the year motivated to start a new one! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Like this tweet if you're new to our #sblchat Crew on Standards-Based Learning & Grading so we can welcome you to our inspiring and dedicated PLN to help you and your Learners to GROW!
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Welcome Lane! #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi Brett! #sblchat
    In reply to @hoffmanteambret
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Good evening, all. I'm Jodi. High school teacher in MA. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Brett, Welcome and Happy Holidays! #sblchat
    In reply to @hoffmanteambret
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi Jodi! #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Greetings, Jodi! #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries, @garnet_hillman
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    We have six questions for your consideration this evening. Please respond with A1, A2, etc. and don't forget #sblchat!
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Mike Purcell Curriculum Director from Aurora IL checking in for the first time #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Join me in welcoming Mike {@michaelkpurcell} to our #sblchat Crew tonight!
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Pleased to welcome you, Joe! #sblchat
    • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
      I have participated intermittently in the past, but always find these chats helpful!
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hi all, Kristine from VT #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Hi Mike! #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Hi Mike #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Hi Kristine! Welcome! #sblchat
    In reply to @KBKirkaldy
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Good evening Kristine! #sblchat
    In reply to @KBKirkaldy
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Great to see you here! #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Q1 What could you say to someone who asks why a change from traditional grading to standards based grading is important? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:07 PM EST
    #HighFive for Mike as a first-timer to this amazing #sblchat Crew! @michaelkpurcell
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Kindly join me is welcoming @MsCaturano to our #sblchat Crew tonight!
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 If we have a laser sharp focus on student learning, we need to employ standards based practices that clearly delineate learning targets, separate behaviors from academics, allow for relearning and reassessment, and put kids and teachers on the same team. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 - Today's #MHSPrecal Learners appreciated the opportunity to reassess and demonstrate their now cohesive learning that was made possible being dedicated to making connections and seeing the relevance. #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: Traditional grading uses measures that don't give us any indication of the level of learning that is taking place. #sblchat
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: Standards based reporting provides more meaningful feedback and shifts the conversation back to learning #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Yes, let's welcome Dawn {@DawnMarieJara} to our dedicated #sblchat Tonight!
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: I've been having this conversation a lot. I think that my best answer is that it's how we start shifting the focus and conversation from grades to learning #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 Authentic feedback! Honest, timely, and on point! #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    a1 Focusing on clearly defined stds prevents Ss from sliding through having mastered peripheral topics. #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: Standards-based grades provide Ss and parents w/specific feedback relative to progress toward meeting specific standards--something that is impossible to see w/only a single letter grade. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Allows Ss to see what they do and do not know so that they can improve #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 - Our #MHSAlgebra1 Learners left our #AfterMath Extra Help after school appreciating the learning the results from Standards-Based Learning for the sake of Learning! #sblchat
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    You've given this topic some thought! Great response #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Yes! Sara {@sarajaneschu} has joined our #sblchat Crew Tonight! Let's welcome her!
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: Traditional grading pits students vs students competing for points instead of learning and growing. Ranking students tells us nothing about learning. #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: It’s time. While we’ve moved forward with teaching & learning, our grading practices (which communicate learning) has gone unchanged. #sblchat
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 I'd say the growth mindset and change in thinking about assessment and grading is equally, if not more, important than the physical and procedural changes from traditional to standards based grading. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Thank You Dave and Welcome Friend! #sblchat
    • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
      A1: Traditional grading pits students vs students competing for points instead of learning and growing. Ranking students tells us nothing about learning. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1 SBL puts the focus on learning. Helps take away some of that other stuff that can muddy it up. Then I like to show examples of what Ss can do. #sblchat
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    a1 really being able to clearly comunicate where students strengths and where they stil need work is essential in the learning process #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1 - So many of our #MHSAlgebra1 9th graders are being empowered to engaged learning based on our Standards-based Learning approach to understanding for retention. #NewFoundSuccess #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    RT Q1 What could you say to someone who asks why a change from traditional grading to standards based grading is important? #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: Standards based learning, teaching, and assessing is a mighty engine that drives learning. It communicates to all stakeholders (student, teacher, parents) what has and has not been learned, as well as identifies the next steps necessary to move forward, #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    I agree--the teacher might have that data, but it is impossible to disaggregate it since it's all lumped into a single grade #sblchat
    In reply to @DRich0696
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Essential for Learning... #sblchat
    • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
      a1 really being able to clearly comunicate where students strengths and where they stil need work is essential in the learning process #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Mighty Engine!! #sblchat
    • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
      A1: Standards based learning, teaching, and assessing is a mighty engine that drives learning. It communicates to all stakeholders (student, teacher, parents) what has and has not been learned, as well as identifies the next steps necessary to move forward, #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Yes--WHAT the student learned is more important than the POINTS earned! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: SBR also provides targeted feedback that is more ‘actionable’ for students and teachers - helps to accentuate strengths and areas of growth #sblchat
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: In a world where innovation & creativity are the key traits employers are looking for in applicants, we need to change the focus from being consumers of information and traditional grading reiterates that focus on regurgitation rather than growth and independence #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 - Knowing that a S is not good at “tests” (or any other category) doesn’t tell them how to improve. Knowing they are not good at X standard does! #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: rather than communicating about MODALITIES of learning (eg: tests, quizzes, assignments), it communicates about CONTENT, which is much more meaningful! #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: A Standard-Based mindset - putting learning first - is the first step to catching up to these educational shifts. #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: A switch to SBG is moving towards being able to share with parents and students how each student measures up against a standard and how much they've progressed over a period of time. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    No individual knows what that single grade means if the Standards are lumped together. #sblchat
    • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
      I agree--the teacher might have that data, but it is impossible to disaggregate it since it's all lumped into a single grade #sblchat
      In reply to @DRich0696
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: It gives you & your students clarity about where you’re going & how to get there, it peels away everything but a precise focus on the skills & understanding you’re developing, it simplifies your grading (yes, for real), it allows you & your students to co-construct #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    I love that when students are thinking about improving a grade that they have to ask me about skills not assignments...would love it more if they ignored the grade all together...#sblchat
    In reply to @jmarangell
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 I’d talk about how it can create a more equitable learning experience and allow teachers and students (&parents) to see where the learning is happening #sblchat
  • kirk_humphreys Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: I would show them examples of how grading an assessment using SBG is much more informative than grading the traditional way. #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1: it allows for grading in a way that is fair, transparent, and supports growth. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    So many Learners convey this to us each week... #sblchat
    • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
      A1 - Knowing that a S is not good at “tests” (or any other category) doesn’t tell them how to improve. Knowing they are not good at X standard does! #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1 Reporting #grades on SBRCs fosters #accurate and #meaningful #learning, #feedback, #assessment, #communication and #grades aligned with defined #standards. #sblchat
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1-You could always ask someone what’s something they learned from failure and see if they respond with a grade or a life skill..great way to start the convo of why SBL is important! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    This!!! #sblchat
    • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
      A1: A Standard-Based mindset - putting learning first - is the first step to catching up to these educational shifts. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    This happened today in just about every class #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
      I love that when students are thinking about improving a grade that they have to ask me about skills not assignments...would love it more if they ignored the grade all together...#sblchat
      In reply to @jmarangell
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    SBGrading promotes learning. Here’s how.... #sblchat
  • JohnSchlender Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1. SBG provides the most specific and accurate information about what the student knows and is able to do. #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    "takes away other stuff that can muddy it up" - indeed! Less grade distortion! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    a1 and that the focus of SBG is on the learning process and communicating clearly about wher ethe student is in the process #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Standards-based mindset is a great answer. #sblchat
    • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
      This!!! #sblchat
      • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
        A1: A Standard-Based mindset - putting learning first - is the first step to catching up to these educational shifts. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Our Learners would agree with you DAILY! #sblchat
  • MrsReadout Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Joni Readout chiming in late. Instructional Coach from Leon, IA. #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Hi, I am Laura Odom, middle school social studies teacher in Saline, Michigan. Sorry I am late! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Joni, Welcome! #sblchat
    • MrsReadout Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
      Joni Readout chiming in late. Instructional Coach from Leon, IA. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Hi Joni! #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsReadout
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Laura, you are right in time! #sblchat
    • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
      Hi, I am Laura Odom, middle school social studies teacher in Saline, Michigan. Sorry I am late! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Thanks for joining us Laura! #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    So true. It changes the discussion from "what grade did you get" to "what did you learn and what are your areas for future growth" #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Francois from Bc, Canada joining in #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Ian - educating in BCs Shuswap A1 traditional grades are focused on task completion - we should be focused on personalized learning journeys and archiving achievements along the way #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q2 How you would you respond to someone who believes that zeros for missing formative work teach students accountability? #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    If your filter is learning and growth - SBG is the way to go ... if learning the tricks and shortcuts to the game of school then go with traditional grades #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Francois, Greetings and Happy Holidays! #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Hi Francois! #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A1 grades measure what was done - standards show what has been done (for now) and what can still be done next #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q2 Hot off the press... #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2 A zero lets the student off the hook for the assignment. It shows that the assignment (and therefore the learning) is optional. Learning is not an ‘opt out’ enterprise; not completing work is behavioral and should be addressed separately. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2 - I'd ask you if in your grad class you'd be inspired to be more accountable if your professor recorded ZERO for your missing formative work. I thought not. #STOPIT #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: That penalty is cruel and unusual - show them the math! #sblchat
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    a2 if you start with, "does this work matter for learning?" If the answer is yes then not comleting the work should not be an option #sblchat
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: I would ask if that approach has worked for the students thus far - in my experience zeros have never been a source of motivation for learning #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Did you say MATH? #sblchat
    • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
      A2: That penalty is cruel and unusual - show them the math! #sblchat
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A1: Adding on an extra thought... I didn't become a teacher to give out grades. I became a teacher to help Ss learn. SBL can truly remove so many of the negative "low grade" issues that we fight every day. I want Ss to LEARN! #sblchat
  • MrsReadout Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: I love this question because I hear this all the time- I say look at all the kids who have zeros currently, zeros don't motivate them! #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A1 Run them through the numbers. Zero's don't make mathematical sense and is the equivalent of an atomic bomb on learning. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 There are other ways to teach accountability as well. For example, holding students accountable by having them do the work. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 - If the Learning Target or Standard is important enough to teach, it's important enough to wait until your Learners achieve proficiency. Please don't just settle for the ZERO. #STOPIT #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: Ask Ss what they learned by earning the zero...guessing their answer won’t be accountability! #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: Zeroes don't motivate learning they occasionally compliance. #sblchat
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2 Students who have multiple zeros demonstrate that zeros don't hold students accountable or teach them accountability. #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: Since when is formative work graded? Separate #LearningZone from #PerformanceZone. And there are better ways to teach accountability. #redefine #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    BAM!! #sblchat
    • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
      A2 There are other ways to teach accountability as well. For example, holding students accountable by having them do the work. #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: zeros for missed work communicates a belief that grades are a way of measuring compliance, and of rewarding and punishing behavior. They are not. There are better ways to meet those goals. Grades are for communicating learning and for driving learning forward. #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: As @rickwormeli2, @DougReeves & @kenoc7 often say, grades are meant to communicate learning! Work habits are clearly important, but they don't indicate achievement of the standard & should therefore be reported separately. #sblchat
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A@ I don't think its teach ss accountability, it teaches power. Formative assessment are for student at any given time #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Thank you Dawn! #sblchat
    • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
      A2: Ask Ss what they learned by earning the zero...guessing their answer won’t be accountability! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    RT Q2 How you would you respond to someone who believes that zeros for missing formative work teach students accountability? #sblchat
  • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Matt Clark, Ast. Principal, MCHS...A2-punishing a student for being irresponsible will never teach that student responsibility #sblchat
  • bosstetter_edu Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Josh here! I serve @JCPS_NC as the K-12 Humanities Coordinator. Glad to be here! I will be lurking in #SBLchat this evening... hoping to pick up some genius and gems for our students.
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2- “ I hope my kids don’t get you!” #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 while zero is great for a math-philosophy discussion it doesn’t belong on anything with grades (or even standards) Incomplete or in progress much more appropriate #sblchat
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Hi all! Long time viewer, first time particpant. Jaime Hall, HS Math teacher in Hopkinton, MA #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2: Ss feel like they will never recover. It crushes their motivation and spirit. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. #sblchat
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2. I would ask if they would not want to be paid for two weeks for missing one day. The math of zeros means that one missed assignment can invalidate many good results. #sblchat
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2: I want my Ss to learn and the formative work helps them learn. The zeros give them such a feeling of failure and inadequacy and really, so many times just shut students down completely. #sblchat
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    they should accountable for their own learning. Teach core competencies #bcedchat #sblchat
  • JohnSchlender Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 If accountability and responsibility are the goals of giving 0s, it's not an effective strategy as evidenced by the number of juniors and seniors still receiving them. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Exactly Matt! We don't learn that way and neither do our Learners. #sblchat
    • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Matt Clark, Ast. Principal, MCHS...A2-punishing a student for being irresponsible will never teach that student responsibility #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    a2 I have an alternative to the "no zeros" vs. "zeros" debate: https://t.co/Ik1e5xei8y #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2: Ts should also reflect on the zero and ask themselves why the Ss didn’t complete work. Formative = How effective is my teaching? #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2. Missing work should be indicated by “incomplete” so the learner still must submit their assignment. A zero inaccurately penalizes the student, especially on a 100-point scale, and puts students at a disadvantage of salvaging their grade. #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2 and a 0 means they probably average (mean median mode and range discussion?) and inappropriately distorts what the scores add up to... #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Welcome Joshua! We need and value your contributions. #sblchat
    • bosstetter_edu Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Josh here! I serve @JCPS_NC as the K-12 Humanities Coordinator. Glad to be here! I will be lurking in #SBLchat this evening... hoping to pick up some genius and gems for our students.
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    0+10=10=10 = 75% - Traditional grading says "C" while SBG says exceeding! (We have to convert to report so "A") #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2: as a side point, those who are motivated by grades are likely not the students who are getting zeros, thus it's unlikely that the grade will motivate a change in behavior...not to mention the obvious grade distortion that comes from zeros as punishment. #sblchat
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2-I’d have pose the question what does the 0 represent? Learning? Habits of learning? The only thing Ss will learn is that if they truly don’t want to do an assignment then they won’t have to as long as they are okay with a ‘bad grade’ #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2: Also, formative assessments should not factor into a grade when using a pure standards-based approach, but that is a separate topic I guess! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Kindly welcome my Friend @HallHHSMath to our #sblchat sharing on Mindset Tonight!
    • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Hi all! Long time viewer, first time particpant. Jaime Hall, HS Math teacher in Hopkinton, MA #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: Zeros are reports of behaviors not learning. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2 Between 0 and passing - there are 64 grades. Is that responsible? #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: a zero lets students off the hook - they don't have to learn it. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Profound statement... #sblchat
    • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
      A2: Ts should also reflect on the zero and ask themselves why the Ss didn’t complete work. Formative = How effective is my teaching? #sblchat
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2 The formative work is the practice leading up to a performance and dress rehearsals are important #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Truth. Zeroes matter to those who never get them, and don’t matter to those who do! #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    a2 It is also important to report habits of learning and measure growth and or regression in this area...just should not be attached to grades #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: When someone offers me a chance to fix my mistakes, the trust I build in myself and between me and my teacher/mentor will impact me for much longer than a zero. Plus, responsibility is not taught by letting me opt out (zero) #sblchat
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2: The question in and of itself supports the shift to SBR and SBL - separate the reporting - and provide feedback on areas of growth #sblchat
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A2 A zero is the easy way out for learners & the teacher. Accountability is doing the work, showing the learning. Persistent teachers may be annoying but in time, learners know teachers respect them #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Soooooo, a math grade should reflect character vs. knowledge? Teaching accountability is more imp than a Standard? Wow, just wow. #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Formative=practice and communication of where a student is in relation to progress toward mastery of a standard. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    BINGO! #sblchat
    • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
      A2: Also, formative assessments should not factor into a grade when using a pure standards-based approach, but that is a separate topic I guess! #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Will those behaviors be included on grade reports? What about HS transcripts? #curious #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Not a chance... #STOPIT #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Except not "Exceeding" as such, as @kenoc7 would say. Mastery, perhaps? #sblchat
    In reply to @DRich0696, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Q3 What would you say to a teacher who feels students are motivated by grades? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A3 - Our Learners shared today how they are more motivated by the genuine learning knowing that their grades will take care of themselves. #sblchat #MHSPrecal #MHSAlgebra1
  • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2 a zero only teaches that you don't care to truly shan't to know what a S knows #sblchat
  • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I’ve never had a graduate return to say, “hey Mr. Clark, thank you for teaching me accountability by giving me a zero on that ____ assignment.” #sblchat
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2 Transferable Skills - self direction, collaboration, problem solving (and so much more!) are ways to help teach accountability #sblchat
  • nat_vaughn Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2: Does the ‘zero’ reflect assessment of learning or a work habit? Need to tease that out for it to be meaningful #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    We like "Exemplary" #sblchat
    • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:24 PM EST
      Except not "Exceeding" as such, as @kenoc7 would say. Mastery, perhaps? #sblchat
      In reply to @DRich0696, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3 If students were motivated by grades, they wouldn’t disengage after a low mark. Success motivates - celebrate learning and more will follow! #sblchat
  • leeannjung Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2 I would ask them if on their teaching evaluation I should say they have poor teaching skills to hold them accountable for submitting their lesson plans late. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    If the grade is connected to 'Math' on a report it needs to reflect what a student knows, understands and can do with the mathematics standards. Behaviors should be reported separately #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27, @hoffmanteambret, @LaneWalker2
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Never said by a Student... #sblchat
    • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
      I’ve never had a graduate return to say, “hey Mr. Clark, thank you for teaching me accountability by giving me a zero on that ____ assignment.” #sblchat
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3: We are the adults teaching the Ss. Teach them about finding internal motivation and a love for learning and growth, rather than arbitrary numbers and letters. #sblchat
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2: Zeros provide no information to Ss, it is literally nothing. PLUS, "grades" communicate what Ss have learned (or not) about your content. Formative assessments are tools for providing feedback and guiding instruction, not teaching "accountability". #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3: I wouldn't disagree - they are motivated by them. But are they motivated to LEARN? As in truly understand and retain? The majority aren't and that isn't the type of classroom I want. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 - Our Learners are not only NOT motivated by grades, but are motivated for learning that is meaningful and relevant! Bring on learning that MATTERS! #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3: I think Ss are often motivated by grades b/c that is what they "know"--a shift to SBL comes w/a learning curve for everyone involved. When Ss see the more specific feedback provided by SBG, that is likely more motivating. #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 they are playing the game of school....and you are a pawn in their game #sblchat
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 How do you know you know? What really matter, how well you are doing compare to other student or your understanding and growth #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A2: A zero is inaccurate; insufficient evidence tells the truth. Motivation and self-regulation need to be purposefully developed. Giving a zero lets teachers and students off the hook. That is not what schools are about. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    We had SO many Learners reassessing today and all we thankful for the opportunity AND the Learning! #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:26 PM EST
      A3 If students were motivated by grades, they wouldn’t disengage after a low mark. Success motivates - celebrate learning and more will follow! #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 - are students motivated by grades to improve or are they afraid to fail? Do we want to stifle the risk taker? #sblchat
  • MrCarter_Ed Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3. They’re not motivated by grades, they’re motivated by their future. They’ve been told that to have a better future, you need to have better grades. Society has taught them that. Don’t blame the student, blame the world they grew up in. #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3: if that's true, then imagine how much more motivated they would be by grades that are accurate, fair, and transparent! #sblchat
  • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 I would ask them if that were true then how do you explain all the Ss that don't succeed when you use grades as punishment? #sblchat
  • leeannjung Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A2 If the problem is procrastination, I’d say holding them accountable isn’t the same thing as teaching the skill of time management. Zeros are not evidence based practice for teaching skills. #sblchat
    In reply to @j_ozbolt
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    We may not all agree on the semantics...some students perform above the expected levels. @kenoc7 and I don't necessarily agree on what to title something but we usually agree on what growth and learning look like and how to report it. #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries, @kenoc7, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    RT Q3 What would you say to a teacher who feels students are motivated by grades? #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I’d like to be at least the bishop #sblchat
    In reply to @technolandy
  • JohnSchlender Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3. Are all students motivated by grades or just those who are good at school? What will motivate those learners when they no longer receive grades? #sblchat
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3 I'd concede that SOME students are somewhat motivated by grades, but argue that ALL students are motivated by relationships and by culture for learning that the teacher has helped foster. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Nodding... #sblchat #Stable
    • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
      I have recently heard people using "secure" and I really like that.
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3: If grades motivated then wouldn’t giving “Fs” work? We often see grades as a de-motivator, not as a reward. #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3 Ss shift from wanting "grades" to learning is hard, but it's working. B/C of teachers like you all! #sblchat
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: Ss are motivated by what Ts/Ps have encouraged over time. Time to shift the focus to learning and mastery, they thrive in that shift. #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: There is great joy in learning. It's part of our role as teachers to model that joy and to find ways for students to experience it too. Intrinsic motivation is far more effective than extrinsic. #sblchat
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3 Learning is about the journey not the end result. We are in the business of building life long learners and fostering growth mindset. We’re doing Ss a disservice by letting them get caught up in an arbitrary mark #sblchat
  • leeannjung Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3 We need to teach Ss to be driven by intrinsic motivation, not carrots and sticks. We don’t want “excellent sheep.” #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Plus zeros are not punishment - it’s a cop out - the punishment for not doing work is to do the work #sblchat
    In reply to @leeannjung, @j_ozbolt
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3 I probably would just hand them a copy of Drive by @DanielPink. :) #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3: Model enthusiasm for learning, FAILing forward, and using feedback. Ss buy it b/c it works. #sblchat
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3. I think many students are motivated by grades. That is the reality of the system in which they try to succeed. But we have to begin to move their focus and our practice to learning as an end onto itself. #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3: Ss are motivated when lessons are based in UDL principles. Start with the WHY and give Ss choice. Engagement will follow! #udl #sblchat
  • leeannjung Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3 If the same student keeps getting zeros, then the supposed “intervention” of zeros to teach a lesson didn’t work. #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Still something to be said for accountability of academic behaviors. We're rolling our reporting of academic behaviors so looking for other opinions. #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    This! #sblchat
    • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
      A3. I think many students are motivated by grades. That is the reality of the system in which they try to succeed. But we have to begin to move their focus and our practice to learning as an end onto itself. #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    And that’s because we’ve made grades the reward. Imagine the possibilities if we could harness learning as the motivator! #sblchat
    In reply to @JasonJaffe
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    #MakeTheShift to Standards-Based Learning & Grading and watch the engaged collaboration IGNITE! #sblchat
    • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
      A3: Ss are motivated by what Ts/Ps have encouraged over time. Time to shift the focus to learning and mastery, they thrive in that shift. #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A3: Students who seem to be motivated by grades are seeking approval & recognition. It’s healthier to recognize confident, curious, creative risk-takers as opposed to compliant, extrinsically motivated people. We approve of Ss for who they are;not how well they hoop jump #sblchat
  • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A3 I’d ask if it is the grade or FEEDBACK, that is motivating the student #sblchat
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
    a3 we need to remember that these students were taught to value grades (often over learning) our job is to undo this, without blaming the students for what they value #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A3 - the greatest advancements in Science didn’t come from the ones with the highest grades in school - the compliant ones. Advancements come from the doers the risk takers the innovators #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
    #ShiftThis @JoyKirr #sblchat
    • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
      A3. I think many students are motivated by grades. That is the reality of the system in which they try to succeed. But we have to begin to move their focus and our practice to learning as an end onto itself. #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    I'm thinking you mean the grade should reflect the student's grasp of content. Ability, in my thinking, is potential. #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27, @hoffmanteambret
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A3: All Ss want to “grow up to be somebody” Ts can motivate Ss by bridging the dream with the classroom #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    This is why I’m falling in love with the one sentence lesson plan! #sblchat #StartWithWhy https://t.co/u5elcjVfRb
    In reply to @DawnMarieJara
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    KaBoom!!! Change the culture. #sblchat
    • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
      A3. I think many students are motivated by grades. That is the reality of the system in which they try to succeed. But we have to begin to move their focus and our practice to learning as an end onto itself. #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A3: (To that teacher who thinks grades are motivators) Shouldn’t the learning through your amazing lesson planning be the motivation? Why would a ranking on their learning create motivation? Would you race against an Olympian or just give up? #sblchat
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A3 I would talk to them about the “game of school” and ask that we think beyond that and engage our learners in authentic experiences in learning #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    @LaneWalker2 If a zero is necessary to teach character, curios as to your rubric you provide students for "Character"? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Q4 How could you respond to someone who believes that algorithms supercede professional judgement when determining grades? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Have you read the #CultureOfFeedback by @plugusin and @mrscienceteach yet? #sblchat
    • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
      A3 I’d ask if it is the grade or FEEDBACK, that is motivating the student #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    I remember one of my colleagues, @lisaveleas, sharing a great idea during PD w/Ts some years ago--share feedback w/Ss before providing them w/the grade so they can focus on strengths & areas of improvement rather than the number. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrClark262, @lisaveleas
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A3: Testimonial - I was motivated by grades and it led to an unhealthy dependence on affirmation from others. This is not okay and I want better for kids.Our self-concept & confidence is better served by internal rewards. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A4: Is "algorithms smalgorithms" acceptable? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 If we are charged to ensure students learn and embark on that journey with them day in and day out, how could mathematical computation carries more weight than our professional judgement? I would encourage the teacher to trust themselves - they know the kids best. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 - Our Learners want us determining their proficiency, not an algorithm just like you want your leadership team working with you to determine your proficiency based on your strengths and areas of improvement. #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Grade weights are stated in a course syllabus. #sblchat
    In reply to @hoffmanteambret
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Yes. Yes it is. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Indeed. We’ve schooled them to well! It’s like the scientist at Jurassic Park being upset that the dinosaurs got out. #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3-SBL is a way to communicate meaningful "grades" and provide feedback that Ss can use to further learning. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Welcome Bryn! #sblchat
    • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
      A3: (To that teacher who thinks grades are motivators) Shouldn’t the learning through your amazing lesson planning be the motivation? Why would a ranking on their learning create motivation? Would you race against an Olympian or just give up? #sblchat
  • brewer_kent Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3 - We need to look past school and ask ourselves what environment exists that places any kind of focus on something that resembles a traditional k-12 grade? #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    **Seeking Participants For A Research Study** Ts: How do you include students with disabilities in your classrooms? I'd love to include your experiences in my study! #sblchat https://t.co/ba3xZ4yf2m
  • leeannjung Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 Tell then to read “Grading: Why you should trust your judgment” https://t.co/zeAv2pEgAM Educational Leadership, 2016 #sblchat
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 I’d direct them to this great article written by the SBL guru @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/TolYt6Nddk #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A5: I love doing the activity w/Ts in which they get a set of grades and need to determine the S's final grade--it's a great way to see how an algorithm can easily lead to inconsistent results! #sblchat
  • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A4 I would tell them to stop hiding behind the numbers. Education is a human endeavor and to take the human out of the equation is wrong #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    RT Q4 How could you respond to someone who believes that algorithms supercede professional judgement when determining grades? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    #STOPIT #sblchat - Confernece with the Learner to determine their Proficiency.
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A4 I'd say letting algorithms supercede our judgement plays a role in the more global denigration of our profession and professionalism. Grading and assessment literacy is one small but impactful area where we can earn back the respect we deserve. #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A3-Who has considered or gone "grade-less"? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Without grades completely or grading less with summative marks at the end of the marking period? #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A4: Learning isn’t subject, thus we can’t rely on objective means to make these decisions for us. Professional judgment matters. @tguskey #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A4: I suppose if the algorithm trumps their professional assessment on learning, we don’t really need teachers and all assessments should be online. But learning is about relationships and a 85.4% does reflect real understanding. #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    So...does it start with “chasing the sticker”? Extrinsic reinforcement early? #sblchat
    In reply to @michaelkpurcell
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4: Can you imagine the uproar if teacher rivals were determined by algorithms ?#sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Glad I had some time to learn, Rik. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I did not grade any formative work with my students! #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4 It’s about relationships and learning and showing how they can connect or transfer what they have learned and apply it to their daily life #sblchat
  • brewer_kent Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4 - As much as we use an algorithm to assess teacher effectiveness... I would think this would create some discourse among the profession???#sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Agreed--the format can vary (although a writing standard should lead to a writing assessment, a speaking standard should lead to a speaking assessment, etc.) Still options there, though! #sblchat
    In reply to @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I agree, but I also think it's necessary to be clear that "professional judgement" is not simply making up a grade. It can still be based on numbers, but those numbers can be used to inform decisions, to look for patterns, etc, rather than simply calculating averages. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Does this incl the rubric on "Character"? Zeroes are about compliance and power of authority, not about learning. The character I teach is how I model fairness and enthusiasm, not power. #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    And there is something to be said for gamification. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4: I would urge them to resist giving away their professionalism. This judgment is based on training, practice, experience, observations, and skill. Like we trust doctors to make good decisions based on strong evidence, so, too, teachers. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4 - The Wizard of Oz stood behind a curtain too #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Some students I know would stay in at recess to get that barfing sticker. #sblchat
    In reply to @technolandy, @michaelkpurcell
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4: Assessing and reporting their learning is way too important to leave to some universal mathematical calculation. Let's assess those abilities and growth as an individual. #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I don't either. However, I have a few Summatives throughout a grading period. I would like to do without any SA! @garnet_hillman #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    It was interesting, though, when we tried grading our Ss on their interdisciplinary papers a few years ago. We ended up with mostly the same grades. I think the rubric really focused on the individual skills the Ss needed to master. #sblchat
    In reply to @jmarangell
  • kirk_humphreys Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    A4: As a math teacher, I love algorithms but professional judgement should be the determining factor. We know our students and their learning..not an algorithm. #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Why? Everything in their lives is / won’t be (course recs, college entrance, job interviews). Plus, we trust the judgment of other professional. Why not teachers? #sblchat
    In reply to @tguskey
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    All the time remembering we are determining proficiency levels, not counting points for calculation. #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Those numbers can be a starting point in determining the grade - they can't be ignored, but also are not the end-all. #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Our #MHSPrecal Learners today conferred with me today to determine their proficiency level. #sblchat
    • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
      A4: Assessing and reporting their learning is way too important to leave to some universal mathematical calculation. Let's assess those abilities and growth as an individual. #sblchat
  • kellie_bae Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Joining in late but glad to have made it for a question or two! Kellie PreK-8 leader from Chicago suburb, Lake Bluff #sblchat
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A4 it is very difficult to use an algorithm in the humanities. How can a computer judge if a student has increased their ability for human empathy? #sblchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Yes, you are right! I think what was helpful there, though, was that we calibrated before grading. We weren't looking at the papers blind--we all agreed on what each level "looked" like! #sblchat
    In reply to @MsCaturano
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A4. I would remind them that properly designed rubrics and authentic assessments can more “scientifically” assess mastery than any algorithm. It’s not about lowering standards. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I don't mind determining a proficiency level after students have had time to develop mastery. Those levels have to be defined and described so they are communicative. #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Absolutely. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Welcome Kellie! #sblchat
    • kellie_bae Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
      Joining in late but glad to have made it for a question or two! Kellie PreK-8 leader from Chicago suburb, Lake Bluff #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I agree. As a new teacher I was relieved to release my professional judgement to that Mac marks program. Now I want to go back and apologize to those students (who are probably in their forties, now). #sblchat #suddenlyfeelingold
    In reply to @kirk_humphreys
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Self-assessment, you say? That sounds great to me! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A4-Only Summative Assessments should count toward grade. Formative practice (lots) along the way only for feedback. #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A4 thoughtful professional judgement about #progress, #process or #product, based on clear criteria and #recent #evidence is more #accurate and #meaningful than hodgepodge grading that averages behavior and academic grades into one overall #grade. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Q5 What could you say to someone who feels reassessment makes it ‘easy on students’? #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I haven't eliminated grades, but discovered inquiry-based-learning shifted the emphasis to the joy of learning in algebra. Gamifying the grades builds confidence as well. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Are the summatives you have a natural stopping point? For example, in my PBL room, we grade at the end of the each project. It wouldn't make sense not to, as the next project is something totally different. #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • jfprovencher27 Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    We assess we do not rank, we give constructive feedback rather that grade, we provide the next step rather than the next worksheet #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Yes. Why ‘grade’ practice and attempts. Look at understanding, proficiency and reaching standards. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @LauraOdom7th
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5 - Our #MHSPrecal and #MHSAlgebra1 Learners would share with you that today's reassessing was anything but 'taking it easy on them'. So many connections were made through reassessing. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5 Relearning and reassessment demand that students learn. The process holds them accountable for the learning! #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    For sure. But for those who are really hung up on numbers, perhaps it might be comforting to know that those numbers can still be considered even if they aren't put into an algorithm to be calculated in any way. #sblchat
    In reply to @DRich0696, @garnet_hillman
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5 My S have to "earn" the re-assessment by completing additional work, not by just retaking the same test. #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5: Lack of reassessment says that learning that is so unimportant that you can just bypass it if you don't get it the first time. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 Come in and see what it looks like! There's nothing easy about it. :) #sblchat
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 although learning should be challenging, it is not the task of a teacher to make learning "hard." The focus is on growth. Not on "gotch'ya!" moments. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Q5 - drivers test - bar exam - SAT all can be redone yet we don’t think it’s easy on them - what’s the difference? #sblchat
  • MrsReadout Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5: My job is to prepare students for their future. Not everyone learns at the same rate and same pace, so without reassessments Ss are allowed to stop learning. Is that why we teach? I think not. #sblchat
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 Assessment is not an event, but a process. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5: Our job as teachers isn't to be the gatekeepers of knowledge and achievement who must make sure only the worthy can attain. It is to smooth the path and ensure they get there. #sblchat
  • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5 reassessment isn't about the easy way out, it is about letting a S know you are not going to give up on them and you want them to succeed #sblchat
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    We need to understand the difference between the #LearningZone and the #PerformanceZone. One is to grow, the other to shine! #sblchat
    In reply to @brynmw, @garnet_hillman, @LauraOdom7th
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    We use mode most recent to determine levels of proficiency - math is important. #sblchat
    In reply to @jodidevries, @garnet_hillman
  • michaelkpurcell Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    a5 Insuring that students achieve is not the easy way out...assigning a grade that notes significant misunderstandings and moving on, that is the easy way out #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Absolutely! #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @KatieBudrow
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    RT Q5 What could you say to someone who feels reassessment makes it ‘easy on students’? #sblchat
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A5 Learning, assessment, and reassessment shouldn't be 'hard on students'. For what reason are we looking to make education so punitive?! #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A5 Reassessment forces #students to prove they understand the concept or skill and fosters #reflection, #self-assessment and continuous #improvement rather than moving on to the next skill or chapter. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Could you elaborate? I'm curious ... #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2, @garnet_hillman
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A5: Reassessment provides additional evidence toward meeting the standard. The standard doesn't change, so it can't be easier in that sense. Ts can create structures for Ss to demonstrate the need for reassessment, too, so it's not a free for all. #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Absolutely!!! @KarlBaresel #sblchat
    In reply to @KarlBaresel
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A5: Reassessment helps to provide Ss with a better understanding of their mastery of skills, an opportunity to grow, and another opportunity to learn. Assessments should be a part of the learning process too! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    It doesn't have to be necessarily hard, but we aren't taking it easy on kids by demanding that they learn. #sblchat
    In reply to @JasonJaffe
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A4: algorithms show no judgement, push kids into ill formed boxes and disrespect the individualism of Ss that sit hungry for learning, support & discourse - this is what teaching professionals provide #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Reassessing is hard on students - not easy #sblchat
    • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
      A5 reassessment isn't about the easy way out, it is about letting a S know you are not going to give up on them and you want them to succeed #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Reassessing considers learner variability. If Ts want Ss to learn, than we need to recognize standards won’t all be met at the same rate. #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    I like that. I may use it inthe future. Thank you. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrdyche, @garnet_hillman, @LauraOdom7th
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A5 if it does make it easy on the students, great! Build on success each time (and at least something in education is easy) #sblchat
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A5 There are very few instances in life where redo's and retakes are not an option. How many times can you apply for a driving permit? Even prisoners are allowed retrials. Why not our students?? #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    I got "redos" in my doc classes! #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A5 The process of reviewing or perhaps showing how they learned or “relearned” something in order to do the reassessment can deepen the learning #sblchat
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A5 Embedded reassessment holds all students accountable for learning, retaining, & increasing complexity. Key to showing growth & mastery over time #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    Yep! Fluidity is key here. I'm technically gradeless (no letter grades in the entire district) but don't let the marking periods set the boundaries. Instead, the learning does. Make sense? #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A6: Reassessment is a tool to redefine accountability. It has more power than we think (which means we have to be purposeful with how we use it). #sblchat
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A5: do we aim to assess learning of content or the speed of learning? Unless it's the latter, why would it matter if it takes one student longer to learn a concept than another? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Our #MHSPrecal Learners worked very hard today during our #AfterMath to demonstrate greater proficiency and let the grade take care of itself. #sblchat
    • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
      Reassessing is hard on students - not easy #sblchat
      • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
        A5 reassessment isn't about the easy way out, it is about letting a S know you are not going to give up on them and you want them to succeed #sblchat
  • MrClark262 Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5 If you don’t believe that all students learn at the same pace, then how can you justify assessing all students at the same time without the opportunity for reassessment?#sblchat
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Sometimes I listen to other educators (or read their thoughts online or in texts) and become so overwhelmed by the way they seem to want to punish, embarrass, and degrade students and have no recognition of the fact that this is how they are acting. #sblchat
    In reply to @JasonJaffe
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    I want to be here - learning with no boundaries #sblchat
    • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
      Yep! Fluidity is key here. I'm technically gradeless (no letter grades in the entire district) but don't let the marking periods set the boundaries. Instead, the learning does. Make sense? #sblchat
      In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5: If reassessment is "easy" then you aren't doing it right. Also, if the purpose of being in the classroom is learning what is important for the future, why would Ts ever give up on that?#sblchat #growthmndset
  • jodidevries Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5: also, allowing reassessments conveys an expectancy of on-going learning, rather than a one-and-done. On-going learning is more rigorous. #sblchat
  • Fridays85 Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5 People in our area hang their hat on ACT scores. They seem to be ok with taking it multiple times and taking the highest score, so... #sblchat
  • technolandy Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Love this - take away the artificial “deadlines due to report cards this ending learning time” and focus on Learning as a continuum (standards remain and you can ‘level up’ at a variety of times!) #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    A6: Wait, we are supposed to make learning difficult? I think I need to re-assess my thinking on this. #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Reassessing costs my Ss some social time. That's a big deal for them and makes it worth reaching for understanding (getting it right the first time) instead of waiting to see it again & again. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    BAM! As concepts become increasingly complex, early concepts that may have been diff in Sept are easy by Jan. Why not reassess? #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Opportunity costs... #sblchat
    • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
      Reassessing costs my Ss some social time. That's a big deal for them and makes it worth reaching for understanding (getting it right the first time) instead of waiting to see it again & again. #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Throughout the formative process, yes! In the end, 4,3,2,1 for summative proficiency level with clear descriptors. #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @KatieBudrow
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Please #STOPIT! #sblchat
    • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
      Sometimes I listen to other educators (or read their thoughts online or in texts) and become so overwhelmed by the way they seem to want to punish, embarrass, and degrade students and have no recognition of the fact that this is how they are acting. #sblchat
      In reply to @JasonJaffe
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Nope. Instead I define levels by making rubrics w/ students. Here's how, if you are interested. https://t.co/5XJx4g0Day #sblchat
    In reply to @LauraOdom7th, @garnet_hillman
  • kellie_bae Dec 13 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A5 Teaching and learning should not be categorized as making it "easy"or "hard" for students. Assessment is about knowing what students know, understand and can do. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Q6 To close out 2017, share a success story from your practice, classroom or school. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Here we GROW... #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Most of my assessments are now cumulative to assure retention as well. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsReadout
  • JasonJaffe Dec 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Can't blame only those educators. It is a systemic culture in which they grew up as students themselves and later in teacher-training. Just need to get them on board instead of letting them stand at the station as pedagogy powers forward! #sblchat
    In reply to @MsCaturano
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A6 - Today, one of #MHSPrecal HS Seniors encouraged our #MHSAlgebra1 Freshman to taking their learning seriously from 9th - 12th grade. She reinforced how thankful they'd be soon! #sblchat #TrueStoryToday
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Ss like to see their "points" going up. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @garnet_hillman
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    I was going to say something similar...comments like this speak to education that is about punishment, lessons, and “school of hard knocks” This isn’t how I see learning with children and youth. Let’s build kids up, not tear them down #sblchat
    In reply to @brynmw
  • MsCaturano Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    This is a very good (and much more optimistic) point than my own! Thanks for the clarity and reassurance! #sblchat
    In reply to @JasonJaffe
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    But is that what is best for them? Shouldn't the focus be on learning and not points? #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    A6 - Daily our Learners express how thankful they are for relevant learning, reassessment FOR Learning, and educators who put the Relationships before the content. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    RT Q6 To close out 2017, share a success story from your practice, classroom or school. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    That is awesome. #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsReadout
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    We aim to build up our Learners each and every day. #ShowYouCare then make weekly #GoodCallsHome. #sblchat
    • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
      I was going to say something similar...comments like this speak to education that is about punishment, lessons, and “school of hard knocks” This isn’t how I see learning with children and youth. Let’s build kids up, not tear them down #sblchat
      In reply to @brynmw
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    A6: Ss use words like "feedback & mastery" in their daily vocab. They SEEK feedback b/c they are used to receiving it. SBL works! #sblchat
  • DawnMarieJara Dec 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6: Students with disabilities learning from their peers in a co-taught Honors English class =success! #sblchat
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6: Our PLC's move to multiple assessments on clustered standards has changed the learning focus so much. Students are moving towards growth instead of being all about "grades". #sblchat #COLchat
  • jmarangell Dec 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6: I'm currently in the process of developing an end-of-course rubric based on strategies shared by @kenoc7 (in his new book) @Catlin_Tucker - can't wait to let Ss self reflect and have a say in their final grades #sblchat
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A6 A counselor commented that fewer students are failing English since moving to SBG because grades are now based on skills and not homework or worksheet compliance. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Thanks to everyone in the #sblchat PLN for a wonderful 2017 full of learning and sharing. Looking forward to seeing everyone back in the new year!
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A6: In my district, teachers are engaging in voluntary action research on how to use standards and targets to build student efficacy and self-assessment skills. Really powerful learning #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A6: My PLC is implementing SBL for the first year and we are seeing the kids have much more focused conversations about skills rather than assignments - it's great #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A6 - Ss are showing me More evidence of in-depth learning and fewer memorizing of facts #sblchat
  • DrPeteSullivan Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A6. I mentored three wonderful educators who completed their dissertations and will graduate on Saturday. The dissertation remains the ultimate standards based experience. #sblchat
  • LaneWalker2 Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Hummm....I'm wondering if it is bad to enjoy computer games that are point-driven? #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Kindly express your gratitude to @garnet_hillman for all she does for the sake of Learning and Re-Learning! #sblchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Thank you, @RoweRikW and @garnet_hillman for facilitating another thought-provoking #sblchat. Looking forward to future chats:)
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    And to my partner in moderating and learning @RoweRikW, what a great year it has been! 2018 is bright with opportunity for growth and new learning my friend! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Want to continue the discussion? Join the Standards Based Learning and Grading Facebook Page! #sblchat https://t.co/dA5h29tJH8
  • HallHHSMath Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6: This year, I'm integrating Eportfolios in every unit based on unit standards. Ss present evidence of their mastery (they choose what) & self assess to give themselves a unit "grade". We conference over it. Great conversations about learning have ensued. #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6: I’m loving that at my school, my grade 4/5 teachers came to me to ask not to give grades. I had to go through assistant sup, but our first report goes out next week gradeless. Those reports were such a pleasure to read with greater understanding of each learner. #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    We aren't talking about computer games. We are talking about learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2, @garnet_hillman
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    YES!!! This can happen! Preach it to all who will listen. #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
      A6: My PLC is implementing SBL for the first year and we are seeing the kids have much more focused conversations about skills rather than assignments - it's great #sblchat
  • j_ozbolt Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6 convinced a fellow teacher to start to move her class toward SBL practices!!! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    My sentiment exactly Katie. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @LaneWalker2
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6 Our district has identified standards-based learning & teaching is the key to increasing student success, improving instruction, & developing our culture of learning. #sblchat FOR THE WIN!
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A6: 5th-8th grade Ss use work that has been assessed to standards and examples outside of school as evidence of growth toward PLP goals and advocating for themselves and their learning needs in S-led conferences-bridging gap between SBL and PLP work in VT! #sblchat #plppathways
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Erik, we will be awaiting your presence and wisdom! #sblchat
  • LauraOdom7th Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Thank you for this chat! Nothing better than interacting with like-minded folks who love learning! @garnet_hillman #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thank you! Looking forward to 2018! #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    #ttog #sblchat
    • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
      A6: I’m loving that at my school, my grade 4/5 teachers came to me to ask not to give grades. I had to go through assistant sup, but our first report goes out next week gradeless. Those reports were such a pleasure to read with greater understanding of each learner. #sblchat
  • JohnSchlender Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    A6 Seeing standards and learner created targets displayed on a regular basis throughout the building. Learners telling me what their learning target is. #sblchat
  • MikeSzczepanik Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    That’s awesome 👏 #sblchat #tg2chat
    In reply to @brynmw
  • KBKirkaldy Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    A6 the conversations center more on learning and learning targets and ways to meet/teach them #sblchat
  • kmphunt22 Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thank you @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW, and the #sblchat community!
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW
  • kellie_bae Dec 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    A6 I think this applies... I have a team of teachers excited to attend the @rickwormeli2 event tomorrow. Their excitement to lead our staff in the #sbl shifts is inspiring! #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Thank you @garnet_hillman for another amazing learning hour. And thank you, @RoweRikW for always being both supportive and pushing my thinking. #pushwithsupport #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Thanks for another great year of #sblchat everyone! Can't wait to see you all in 2018! #happyholidays #seeyounextyear
  • KarlBaresel Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A6 I am now proud of my grade book because it represents learning and growth and not just arbitrary points. #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    As a gamer, there is no judgment in a point driven game. Not the same concept in school. Also points in a game are consistent, not awarded based on strength of personality and compliance. #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2, @KatieBudrow, @garnet_hillman
  • KatieWhite426 Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    I see your question. To me, it is different but I have to unpack why. A lot has to do with who controls the game. #sblchat
    In reply to @LaneWalker2, @KatieBudrow, @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Bryn, we're #BetterTogether! #sblchat
  • brynmw Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Gotta love my school’s teachers. #sblchat
    In reply to @MikeSzczepanik
  • mrdyche Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A6: Seeing my friend @michaelkpurcell join in on a #sblchat!
  • DRich0696 Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Great Wednesday thanks to @garnet_hillman @RoweRikW and the #sblchat crew. Thanks for being the PLN!