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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Are we discussing computer science or 'compute science' hahaha #devdiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Just gonna passively check the #DevDiscuss to see what people talk about :)

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Welcome to the #DevDiscuss Twitter chat! Tonight's topic is COMPUTER SCIENCE

zavaleta00 May 23 @ 9:05 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss What math do you guys recommend for someone who is looking at self taught CS?

jcopella May 23 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Computer Science is a poor choice of undergraduate major #maybe #strawman #DevDiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss

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ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

jibbi_ May 23 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Devops, devops, devops. When I got my BS in CS I had no idea what a dev would do in a Real Job. It was terrifying. #devdiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Believe it or not, programming. Engineering complex systems is rarely covered. The focus is on the theory. #devdiscuss

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troycroz May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Learn about Big-O notation and some statistics #devdiscuss

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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

I rarely got to build stuff to show off to my friends. This hurt my motivation. Since then I've been hacking on many cool things #DevDiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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normonics May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Having an understanding of computational complexity will help one develop software that scales #devdiscuss

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mbleigh May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Computer Science: It's the stuff you have to know so you can pass the interview and start building software. #DevDiscuss 🙃

CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

I disagree. There are so many parts of science that you are exposed to that are valuable. It's an exciting field #devdiscuss

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troycroz May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

And developing with web-scale performance in-mind too #devdiscuss

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CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT

Depends on what you want to do. Computer science is very broad and is a math field in itself. #devdiscuss

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normonics May 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT

complex systems engineering requires a mental reframe that is uncomfortable and typically avoided. #devdiscuss

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arturoaviles May 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT

To explore all the areas on which computing can help to solve any kind of problem or task #devdiscuss

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sabler May 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT

I have very informal grasp of true CS fundamentals; I code what I know will be balanced between performant and readable #devdiscuss

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matthras May 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT

It's nice to be able to determine approximate algorithm run time on a theoretical level rather than run tests! #devdiscuss

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decahub May 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT

git, command line interfaces, git, clean code, git, documentation, git. Really people start teaching git! #devdiscuss

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sabler May 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT

I have a very informal grasp of true CS fundamentals; I code what I know will be balanced between performant and readable #devdiscuss

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CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT

Deep dive into different realms in problem solving. Computer science teaches you how to exercise your way of thinking. #devdiscuss

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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:11 PM EDT

I think computer science is really cool, but computer science, as a degree, really wasn't for me. #DevDiscuss

andreasklinger May 23 @ 9:11 PM EDT

the role of physics in architecture #devdiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:11 PM EDT

Helps approach computational issues with a more theoretical mindset and more in depth knowledge in some cases #devdiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Yes! This was rarely covered in the CS classes that I took. We were encouraged to use git, but it was a learning-by-doing thing. #DevDiscuss

decahub May 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT

git, command line interfaces, git, clean code, git, documentation, git. Really people start teaching git! #devdiscuss
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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Classroom learning in general was never for me. I'd organize a CS curriculum for "kids like me" very differently. #DevDiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

I had the choice between Software Engineering or Computer Science. I went CompSci because I felt it was more practical #DevDiscuss

normonics May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

everyone should read Chris Alexander's "The Timeless Way of Building" -- the root of design patterns #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

And today, I still feel like it was. I love understanding how things work, from real silicon up to high lvl lang #DevDiscuss

jibbi_ May 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT

lol - it's why we all know how to whiteboard the Fibonacci sequence. #DevDiscuss

mbleigh May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Computer Science: It's the stuff you have to know so you can pass the interview and start building software. #DevDiscuss 🙃

nitish_dayal May 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT

CS gets a lot of flak, but every time I learn a little more, another `thing` makes sense. Basic knowledge can go far. #devdiscuss

gumnos May 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT

CS is the foundation upon which the tech builds and evolves. When problems arise, knowledge of those foundations are key. #devdiscuss

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CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Personal projects were a huge part of my experience. Not because of school but because I was bored with most of the assignments #devdiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Honestly it isn't for everyone but you love getting to the root of everything in the industry a CS degree can really help #devdiscuss

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seanballais May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Computer Science: We don't necessarily have to know how to fix a computer though it has the word, "computer", on it. #DevDiscuss 🙃

0x424c41434b May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

#devdiscuss comp sci provides the theory behind some of these constructs. It is a good analytical toolset to have

fer_bass May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A CS is as much a mathematician as they are a technologist, the mathematical part of the problems is one of their roles #DevDiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

I told myself I'd "passively" participate in the #DevDiscuss chat... but it's about my degree, so I'll try to join in haha

CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Learning how to expand your thinking takes a while. #devdiscuss

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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

I think CS vs engineering is a false dichotomy. A good curriculum could teach both skills while also keeping things interesting. #DevDiscuss

giveawayfolex May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

#devdiscuss comp sci provides the theory behind some of these constructs. It is a good analytical toolset to have

normonics May 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT

agree. in all domains of learning, fundamentals are almost never revisited often enough. #devdiscuss

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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT

But changing curriculums is easier said than done 🙃 #DevDiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT

I believe strongly that computer science != software engineering. they share a lot of overlap though (like big O) #devdiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Awesome to have you! #DevDiscuss

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CaptainKraft May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

The classes I took we're much more interesting and harder to learn solo than a single tool. #devdiscuss

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MQuinn614 May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

For folks introduced to programming through bootcamps, how does one standout/get ahead without a computer science background? #DevDiscuss

_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Computer science is theory and mathematics behind speed and usability of any piece of software. Google uses Big O for speed #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

(academic) CS usually doesn't discuss things like maintainability / testing (at least in undergrad) #devdiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

I still have no idea. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Networks in depth, like hardware along with the software. #devdiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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troycroz May 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT

#computerscience programs should have mentorship/career-coaching in years 2-3 to guide students' class choices in years 3-4 #devdiscuss

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TheMindOfShayde May 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Software engineering topics such as requirements management, system architecture/design, Agile processes (esp. Scrum), DevOps #DevDiscuss

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KrisSiegel May 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Computer Science is for: - Writing compilers that no one uses - Passing interview tests at large tech companies #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Yeah. During my undergrad days, this was glossed over, but I myself don't really know how to do this yet 😅 #DevDiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT

(academic) CS usually doesn't discuss things like maintainability / testing (at least in undergrad) #devdiscuss

Shmuelie May 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT

to create student debt #DevDiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Build awesome stuff, tell the world you got the skills they need #devdiscuss

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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT

I'm not sure where I'd be without at least some solid CS. Can't imagine building software without a concept of Big O #DevDiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT

no time like the present to start! Test take so much stress out of dev, you never wonder if you broke something, you KNOW #devdiscuss

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LuishXY May 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT

What distinguishes computer science and IT?. In regards to a degree and also in practice. #DevDiscuss

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KrisSiegel May 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT

To be fair to my facetious comment: CS is important. Trouble is in practice much less so. Usefulness is becoming edge cases #DevDiscuss

KrisSiegel May 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Computer Science is for: - Writing compilers that no one uses - Passing interview tests at large tech companies #DevDiscuss
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  Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT

If you want some of the best computer science writing on the Internet, check out @vaidehijoshi's work https://t.co/QbmVdZmX1P #devdiscuss

_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

That and software development would be impossible without an understanding of race conditions among other things. #DevDiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

How to name things #DevDiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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jcopella May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

I think it’s valuable and exciting, to be sure. Just not a good choice for undergrads :) #devdiscuss

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jibbi_ May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

also reading & critiquing software specs! #devdiscuss

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alison985 May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Almost nothing. #devdiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Honestly a good mentor could take a student a long way.... Loved all the mentors I had at my internships #devdiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

I agree! I've only recently learned to appreciate having test cases when developing... learned it the hard way, though 😝 #DevDiscuss

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jcopella May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

I think it’s better for an undergrad to have an in-depth knowledge of an application area (e.g., business or engineering) #devdiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:21 PM EDT

IT is (generally) running the software and the platform it runs on, CS is research, software engineering is making the software #devdiscuss

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jcopella May 23 @ 9:21 PM EDT

and then follow up with graduate study in CS. I think there are very few “pure” CS jobs — most are applications of the field #devdiscuss

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Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@ThePracticalDev @DevDiscussHQ testing, Agile, Debugging, SOLID, patterns, working in teams, how to do maintenance, etc. #devdiscuss

gumnos May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

It helps learn new tech. Me: what's git? A Merkle tree with data in the leaves? Got it. Me: Currying? one-param closures. 👍 #DevDiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Not all heroes wear capes. #DevDiscuss

KrisSiegel May 23 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Na. Fixing race conditions is what keeps me employed. How code of the past ever worked is a mystery 👍
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jcopella May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

The best developers I’ve known had substantial background in *something else* before getting into software development. #devdiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

I think CS should be a separate degree from software engineering #devdiscuss

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decahub May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

The truth is... I never wanted to major in Computer Science. I wanted to major in Software Engineering but that wasn't an option #devdiscuss

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mullen_vernon May 23 @ 9:23 PM EDT

Sure. But you don't have to major in music theory to play for Aerosmith. #DevDiscuss

jcopella May 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT

I think it’s better for an undergrad to have an in-depth knowledge of an application area (e.g., business or engineering) #devdiscuss
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hudsonburgess7 May 23 @ 9:23 PM EDT

Clean code / testing, I spent too many hours reading spaghetti code. #devdiscuss

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nitish_dayal May 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Oh hey look at that, another #devdiscuss in which my mind is blown. Currying == one-param closures. Never thought to see it that way.

gumnos May 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT

It helps learn new tech. Me: what's git? A Merkle tree with data in the leaves? Got it. Me: Currying? one-param closures. 👍 #DevDiscuss
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Jaxidian May 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Same as science in engineering. You understand the fundamental principles, you learn ways to apply them, then refine application #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

wesgrimes May 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Development guidelines, not hard and fast rules, some of us have to live in realville and meet timelines and budgets. #DevDiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Even if Software Engineering was a separate degree from CS, it would be woefully behind the real world. #devdiscuss #DisagreeingWithMyself

gumnos May 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT

All 8 lines were indeed going to be different. #OffByOneErrors #DevDiscuss

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Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Not to mention, they give you toy problems, solve them, but don't teach you problem solving in the context of programming per se #devdiscuss

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kevinmontrose May 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT

.@ThePracticalDev Every now and then it let's me know _precisely_ why something is impossible, versus just vaguely. #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Things that I wish I had learned earlier. You will first write for functionally, then refactor for performance, then repeat #DevDiscuss

matthras May 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Being able to think in an abstract manner also adds to this! #devdiscuss

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troycroz May 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT

Huge challenge Computer Science doesn't prepare you for: legacy code. How to effectively/quickly work with and around it #devdiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT

Lately, I'm beginning to feel like modern CS degrees really are for more theory focused students #DevDiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT
I rarely got to build stuff to show off to my friends. This hurt my motivation. Since then I've been hacking on many cool things #DevDiscuss
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  What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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TheMindOfShayde May 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT

To add to this, the "Gang of Four" book, Design Patterns, has been worth its weight in gold to me. #DevDiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Many programs now have more practical and narrow focuses, where CS can be seen as more general and theoretical. #DevDiscuss

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT

and all of this stuff is very inefficiently learned if you're in the trenches and having to learn it all the hard way. #devdiscuss

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voxcpw May 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Computer science wasn't really a thing for my generation unless you were very wealthy. I took maths. #devdiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT

I had the choice between Software Engineering or Computer Science. I went CompSci because I felt it was more practical #DevDiscuss

gumnos May 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Yet another of those tech terms that baffled me for years, only to reach enlightenment with a disappointing "that's it? Ugh/duh" #DevDiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:28 PM EDT

I can see the degree being helpful for people who want to jump into the industry but haven't found their niche yet #devdiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT

I agree, people who learn purely "just to code" miss Big O implications of decisions they make and what data structures they use #devdiscuss

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quangdaon May 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT

No idea 😵 #DevDiscuss

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HandNF May 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT

Computer science is great to find the best implementation of a system. At scale the details matter - shaving seconds and bytes #devdiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:30 PM EDT

Yes! It's a great choice if you want to explore your options. The tech industry is nearly endless with different positions. #DevDiscuss

KPath001 May 23 @ 9:28 PM EDT

I can see the degree being helpful for people who want to jump into the industry but haven't found their niche yet #devdiscuss
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gumnos May 23 @ 9:30 PM EDT

"They're more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules" —Barbossa #DevDiscuss

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yousuf604_ May 23 @ 9:30 PM EDT

You might not apply the much of what you learn in CS in a career, but it makes you a better engineer regardless #DevDiscuss

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sisterrobotray May 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Keeping it simple. Most solutions do not need to be complex #DevDiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT

agreed, # of people who make these kinds of optimizations is really low though #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT

It is interesting to see, however, some people's aversion to CompSci and their opinion of those with CompSci #DevDiscuss #NotInAGoodWay

SQLanodyne May 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT

#devdiscuss Computer Science is what I should've majored in. I majored in math... and it all worked out in the wash

jcopella May 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT

My first job out of college was in an engineering-heavy environment. CS was not looked upon kindly #lightweights #devdiscuss

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voxcpw May 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT

I think compsci could do with more maths. I've run into a lot of compsci majors who have no idea how statistics works #DevDiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT

This thread is also wonderful https://t.co/z5Vkqldwbt #DevDiscuss

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT

this is why telling everyone to read CLRS is by itself unhelpful #devdiscuss

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gumnos May 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT

I think this is a good split for the industry…some folks seek the rubber-on-the-road bootcamp style; others, the theoretical. #DevDiscuss

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hudsonburgess7 May 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT

What are the strengths / weaknesses of a CS degree in software engineering? Great discussion happening! #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Welcome to the #DevDiscuss Twitter chat! Tonight's topic is COMPUTER SCIENCE

gumnos May 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT

But there's certainly room for both players. #DevDiscuss

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twobree May 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT

IME w/ 2yr & looking at 4yr degrees - Selling yourself, portfolios, source control, teamwork, and most importantly communication #devdiscuss

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT

This thread is also wonderful https://t.co/z5Vkqldwbt #DevDiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT

This thread is also wonderful https://t.co/S9fbmjpEmL #DevDiscuss

KPath001 May 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Raises alot of employers attention when your resume says computer science haha #devdiscuss

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twobree May 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Communication isn't the focus of career classes, just GenEd, but most students I know dread those classes because they aren't CS #devdiscuss

decahub May 23 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Some academics mock JavaScript. But I took the advice of a friend to learn it. Liked it and JS saved my family from bankruptcy. #devdiscuss

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gumnos May 23 @ 9:36 PM EDT

or in my case "this is why I love security so much: you can study both and still have your butt handed to you by a 12yo" 😉 #DevDiscuss

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dexter_kate May 23 @ 9:36 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss ethics, compassion, teamwork. They can be learned but are best practiced.

troycroz May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

What practical skills/topics do most 4 year Computer Science degrees NOT cover - that they should cover? #devdiscuss
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jcopella May 23 @ 9:37 PM EDT

and not just big-O. Things like IO-bound vs. CPU-bound, etc. Though I’m not sure CS addresses those things all that well, either #devdiscuss

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phillipcjohnson May 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I don't have a CS degree, so I do what I can to pick up bits (hah) here and there. Good teams have a mix of CS and non-CS folks. #DevDiscuss

twobree May 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Source control is utterly important. Except for capstone projects, you don't really need it in school. But necessary in industry #devdiscuss

Xof May 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT

(a) Exposure to a variety of environments. (b) The ability to think critically about algorithms and their tradeoffs. #DevDiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I feel like a lot of your concerns are better addressed in how companies handle interns/grads #DevDiscuss

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Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss education tip: 4 weeks at an internship or co-op in the real world is better than most 4 year college computer science programs.

living_syn May 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT

depends on the program. I had a great operating systems professor . Without that, i'd be lost #devdiscuss

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Dev_Wberg May 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Way too much theory and too little practice. Luckily I was self taught, and passionate so their limitations weren't as obvious. #DevDiscuss

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twobree May 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT

The workforce in school is zipping up and sending to an instructor, appending a version number to the folder name. Not the same. #devdiscuss

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT

No, it doesn't. In the context of comp arch perhaps, but not in the context of software, knowing ARM unhelpful by itself #devdiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Depending solely on classwork is a mistake I try to correct when speaking to college students now. Outside projects are a must. #DevDiscuss

cravelight May 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I'm glad for you. The vast majority of the new grads I interview are woefully underprepared to be useful or production safe.
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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Strongly support this statement.... I learned more at my internships then my 4 years of university, application over theory #devdiscuss

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Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss Dig into some open source, find something that interests you. There’s a lot more learning to be had there than in most classes.

gumnos May 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Heh, apropos of this thread mere hours ago… #DevDiscuss https://t.co/IqIDkHi3QS

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gumnos May 23 @ 7:22 PM EDT

I have 9race condition ain't one9 problems but a
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living_syn May 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT

So many of these issues would be solved with a really good university-industry internship program #devdiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Very much this. The OSS world is so much bigger than your school, and a population passionate to teach. #DevDiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss Dig into some open source, find something that interests you. There’s a lot more learning to be had there than in most classes.

hudsonburgess7 May 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Actually didn't talk about my degree much in interviews. The side projects were more interesting. #devdiscuss

In reply to @KPath001

twobree May 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT

The worlfow in school is zipping up and sending to an instructor, appending a version number to the folder name. Not the same. #devdiscuss

gumnos May 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT

The science focuses on the underlying concepts; "IT" tends to focus on particular (and mercurial) technology stacks. #DevDiscuss

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twarnock May 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT

The more low-level the problem, the more CS is useful. Abstraction reduces the value of a CS degree. #devdiscuss

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twobree May 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT

The workflow in school is zipping up and sending to an instructor, appending a version number to the folder name. Not the same. #devdiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT

That’s why you find a project or topic you love. If it’s something you love, you’ve got more reason to dig in. #DevDiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT

'digging into OS' is a LOT easier said than done. Most newbies lost in the sauce
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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT

I wanted to do this since I was 3rd yr undergrad, but I got really overwhelmed and felt like my skills were lacking for those #DevDiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss Dig into some open source, find something that interests you. There’s a lot more learning to be had there than in most classes.

cohix May 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Previous two tweets shoulda been tagged #DevDiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT

abstraction also makes writing bad code easier sometimes. Like LINQ in c# where people use lists for EVERYTHING #devdiscuss

In reply to @twarnock, @ThePracticalDev

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT

the diversity of replies shows that academic CS education has a long way to go to improve. #devdiscuss

In reply to @living_syn, @jcopella, @ThePracticalDev, @DevDiscussHQ

decahub May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Software Development is a Computer Science Framework. 🤓 #devdiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Same haha but it seemed most employers engaged quickly when they see that degree on the resume rather than me pitching projects #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Advice for CS students: 1) Tinker with things. Experiment. 2) Read the theory, then try it. A lot. All permutations. Test it. #DevDiscuss

impwalker77 May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Lecturing people who don't have a CS degree? 😉 #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

And if you can’t find a thing you love, just start hacking at it. “What if no one uses it?” You’re already using it to learn. #DevDiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT

3) Find a side project. Dive in deep. 4) Create a side project if you can't find one. Find a problem, and solve it #DevDiscuss

dneto1969 May 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT

CS education gave me a giant toolbox, and skills to avoid blind alleys, impossible/impractical problems or "solutions". #devdiscuss

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gumnos May 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT

maintaining old code, debugging, revision control concepts, test-first development, collaborative+iterative development #DevDiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Advice that would've helped me and a lot of my classmates then haha it was easy to just finish something and be done with it #DevDiscuss

Pahimar May 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Advice for CS students: 1) Tinker with things. Experiment. 2) Read the theory, then try it. A lot. All permutations. Test it. #DevDiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT

You will look back at your previous code as the worst crap ever written. Every dev does this. Just means you’re getting better. #DevDiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

solve something that's already been solved, doesn't matter #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

5) Find a mentor, someone with a job in the field. Hold on to that relationship 6) Never stop looking for things to learn #DevDiscuss

jcopella May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Value of CS in professional world: exposure to concepts (big-O), forming habits of mind (abstraction, composition, etc.) #devdiscuss

gumnos May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

If *no one* uses it, that could be a problem. But even if *only you* use it, it's still worthwhile. 😉 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @Nick_Craver

twarnock May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Good abstraction makes writing all code easier. It makes a lot of bad code possible, but I'd argue that's a good thing. 🤓 #devdiscuss

In reply to @living_syn, @ThePracticalDev

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT

I myself was diagnosed with a learning disorder so taking traditional algorithms courses, and other math, was impossible. #devdiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT

7) Try to solve one of the classic hard problems. Give it a whirl 8) Learn hardware logic #DevDiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT

If The Imitation Game had come out while I was in college instead of The Social Network, I might've finished my CS degree #DevDiscuss

vaidehijoshi May 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT

It's the magic that powers the behind the scenes of all software! CS gets a bad rap because it's not taught in an accessible way #devdiscuss

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gumnos May 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT

#2 is painful. Oh so essential. But painful. The real world has so many sharp corners on which one can get mauled. #DevDiscuss

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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

9) Look for all possibilities when designing something. Even the weird ones. ESPECIALLY the weird ones. #DevDiscuss

TashasEv May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A number of OS projects label have adopted labeling for OS newbies-check out https://t.co/qLhcvIIsLJ & https://t.co/Fw0ug4mjZa #DevDiscuss 😁

In reply to @living_syn, @Nick_Craver

cannikin May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

In my experience dev for the web is more about efficient DB index/access & caching...never once compared Big O sort algorithms #devdiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Started from the Java now I'm here. Going on a shirt...TODAY #DevDiscuss

EMCP_ May 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT

what I've learned is.. there's no easy money. You gotta re-invent / re-up your skills every few years.. started from the Java now I'm here
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twobree May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

It depends on your role in software development, and the tech you're using. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

bendhalpern May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

You've got your whole career to catch up on any of this, seems like you have a knack for what's important in this field #DevDiscuss

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CodeCareerAcad May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I try to run my bootcamp that way. 24 weeks and last 6 are team proj and CS theory when students have context to understand. #devdiscuss

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vaidehijoshi May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

But if you ever want to understand what's going on under the hood or come across an abstraction in a tool, CS can be helpful! #devdiscuss

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_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

CS really is one of those majors where you get out what you put in. #DevDiscuss

cravelight May 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Yes. I see this as more and more tge norm/average. The really motivated ones learn independently and start freelancing/coding as teens.
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Pahimar May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

And most important 10) Find someone to mentor. Hold on to that relationship. You will learn more teaching than being taught. #DevDiscuss

twobree May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I've been working w/ Ruby for a couple of years and haven't needed anything I learned about data structures (Java-based course) #devdiscuss

Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss Oh, and remember: your open source contributions are free, very visible resume material later. OSS is a win on many fronts.

living_syn May 23 @ 9:49 PM EDT

not about big 0 sorting, more about what data structure for the problem. Maybe not in js though #JsSucks #devdiscuss

In reply to @cannikin, @ThePracticalDev

KPath001 May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Take my money I want one too #devdiscuss

In reply to @_TheyCallMeToni

decahub May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Most useful class: Compilers. I learned about regex, parsing, scope, stacks, lexical analysis, etc. VERY USEFUL! #devdiscuss Made angular ez

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theAJSingleton May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss: I disagree- we cover #CloudComputing and #DevOps extensively in #CS #MS at @GWMSIST- check out my blog: https://t.co/vPJg7ye527

In reply to @jibbi_, @ThePracticalDev, @GWMSIST

barrucadu May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Surely that's as it should be. Practical details change far more frequently than theoretical underpinnings. #DevDiscuss

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gumnos May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Ah, the classic "senior_capstone_final2with_editsREVISED.zip" 😉 #DevDiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

me too! Hehe. Java was the first programming language taught to us in college #DevDiscuss

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brightmatrix May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

My personal experience as a CS major? Merely a piece of paper to open the doors to a job. Exceedingly little practical knowledge #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev May 23 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Question: What is the role of computer science in software development? #devdiscuss

twobree May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

But learning about general databases, problem solving, critical thinking? All needed in software development #devdiscuss

BenediktRitter May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

People in open source are just ordinary devs. I bet you're more than qualified to start hacking on some open source project. #DevDiscuss

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vaidehijoshi May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Learning CS is the most fun when you see theoretical concepts actually applied in practice; thats when its value becomes evident #devdiscuss

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jcopella May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

I’d been working in the field for 15 years before I ever had to apply any principles of algorithm analysis or big-O notation. #devdiscuss

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georgeoffley May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss

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living_syn May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

I have no idea how that's possible. You've never had to think about a dictionary vs a list vs an array? #devdiscuss

In reply to @twobree

_TheyCallMeToni May 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT

This is an excellent point. Could CS programs honestly keep up with ever changing industry patterns? #DevDiscuss

barrucadu May 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Surely that's as it should be. Practical details change far more frequently than theoretical underpinnings. #DevDiscuss
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decahub May 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A classmate made a game for his girlfriend as an anniversary gift using Java. That inspired me to start side projects. #devdiscuss

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jcopella May 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT

The specific problem I was tasked with solving would’ve been impossible to solve without exposure to those concepts. #devdiscuss

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brightmatrix May 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT

I learned everything in my profession on my own. My CS courses were nearly all theoretical or sadly outdated/irrelevant. #DevDiscuss

etresoft May 23 @ 9:53 PM EDT

Not just modern CS. Around 1997, another CS grad student said he didn’t like programming. He was a better grad student than me. #DevDiscuss

In reply to @_TheyCallMeToni, @ThePracticalDev

decahub May 23 @ 9:54 PM EDT

I learned better outside of class. @YouTube has been a phenomenal college professor. Also open coding, group programming. #devdiscuss

In reply to @bendhalpern, @YouTube

vaidehijoshi May 23 @ 9:54 PM EDT

I'll never forget when @wycats explained to me that an interpreter just traverses a tree; it made code seem way less complicated #devdiscuss

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twobree May 23 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Right, classic CS curriculum is useful, but not necessary for everyone at the same stage of their careers, or for all projects #devdiscuss

In reply to @jcopella

ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Dunno bout being qualified 😅 but I guess I just really have to dive in, see what I could contribute to. Gotta start somewhere 🙂 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @BenediktRitter, @ThePracticalDev

gumnos May 23 @ 9:55 PM EDT

You kids and your fancy "githubs." When I was in school, we tarred up our RCS snapshots and delivered via sneakernet. 👴 😉 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @twobree

gumnos May 23 @ 9:56 PM EDT

And even within a given program, for me it varied professor-by-professor. #DevDiscuss

In reply to @living_syn, @jcopella, @Wintermute21, @ThePracticalDev, @DevDiscussHQ

cmelthratter May 23 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Understanding fundamentals (complexity, synchronization) is critical when developing large-scale, complex, efficient systems #DevDiscuss

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ChiSenires May 23 @ 9:57 PM EDT

I remember while at a hackathon, a friend of mine said he contributed to an OS proj. What he did? Fixed a typo in one line 😆#DevDiscuss

hudsonburgess7 May 23 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Totally agree with the consensus. I have a CS degree and need way more work on data structures & algorithms. #devdiscuss

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jcopella May 23 @ 9:58 PM EDT

I think classical CS is a typical case of “necessary, but not sufficient” for success as a professional software developer. #devdiscuss

living_syn May 23 @ 9:58 PM EDT

agreed, but the vast vast vast majority of devs are not / will never write large scale, complex systems #devdiscuss

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Nick_Craver May 23 @ 9:58 PM EDT

#DevDiscuss Several pinged me for particularly newbie-friendly OSS projects to learn from, can I get some replies with those you know well?

Wintermute21 May 23 @ 9:59 PM EDT

oh god, yes. the variable quality of the professors was the worst thing about my school. Had 2 or 3 worth a damn. Not good #devdiscuss

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KPath001 May 23 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Haha still a useful contribution #devdiscuss

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