#ankedchat Archive
Thursday October 20, 2016
9:00 PM EDT
PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
Megan, Math Southview MS, working toward using FAs to drive instruction & responses to learning.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Glad to be here too! I'm working on shifting responsibility to the learner.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
We use the Q1/A1 format. There are 8 Qs as we discuss assessments. Be sure to include
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in your tweets.
DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
We are proud to welcome Sarah Brown Wessling, 2010 Nat’l Teacher of the Year as our guest moderator tonight.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Dave - SS at Centennial HS and co-mod of
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trying to survive and stay ahead of my AP Microeconomics students
PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
It's been almost magical to watch it happen. Not with all yet...but several!
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Hello! Laura, English Southview MS, working on using data to design individual academic interventions
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@englelaura
Hi Laura! Great to connect with you!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Same - using Google Classroom has made self-paced learning easier.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@englelaura
Great to have you fellow SVMS family!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
@DRich0696
I'm definitely jealous!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
If you often forget to include the # or are challenged to follow along, try this link to follow along:
https://t.co/gWS4yasH9F
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MrsReadout
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
A1: I'm working on teacher and student reflection time. Joni Readout, Instructional Coach at Central Decatur in Leon, Iowa.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Melanie, Instructional Tech with DMPS, online/blended learning coaching, e-Learning
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
Great to connect, Joni!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Burton Hable, Assistant Director of Bands at Centennial HS, working on implementing productive groupwork into rehearsals
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
Hi again Joni - great to have you .
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
This is starting to become my obsession with my edtech grad work.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
Glad to have you here!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
Welcome Melanie!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Nice to connect!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Please read this if you’ve have trouble seeing everyone’s tweets in the chat:
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Please read this if you’ve have trouble seeing everyone’s tweets in the chat:
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Hey Burton!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Good evening,
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friends! Ryan in MI, MS Soc. St. Just lurking tonight, but wouldn't miss an opp w/ a National TOY
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
So excited to be guest hosting
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tonight!
DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Hey Ryan - great to have our MI friend back again.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Always great to have you in on the conversation & prod group work - what an awesome goal!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
It is totally where I see the future! Being creative getting there!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Q1: How do you decide what to grade?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
Yes I agree - so many possibilities for students living in this age!
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hoffmanteambret
Oct 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Brett from Osky, 6th G Math /Sci/SS watching how the BIG Districts do chats!!
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 Only what truly aligns with standards
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Glad you're here!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Awesome to have you Brett & we small potatoes here at
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1: Only grade assessment of Ss learning. If it's practice or collaborative learning items, feedback only.
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MrsReadout
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1:
#SBG
makes it easy to decide what to grade. We only report assessment on standards and when a majority of Ss have mastered.
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ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
Scot Surprenant DMPS instructional tech coordinator checking in but Beery very distracted
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 Our summatives are performances in lessons every 6 weeks. Demonstrating several standards at once after several formatives.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Welcome Brett! Glad to have you.
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Size doesn't matter BTW - Edupassion does.
DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: If it measures the standard and Ss have had proper instruction and practice and data shows they're ready then grade it.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Really helpful practice! How does it impact students, do you think?
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@ScotSoups
Welcome Scot!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1: When I first taught, I used to grade EVERYTHING!!! Then I realized that a few grades when Ss are confident is better measure!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
Yes! I can see what you mean.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Any chance to reassess? Tough in your field.
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hoffmanteambret
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1 Grade only after S's have had enough "touches" on the goal info.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1: Unfortunately, we grade when our curr tells us to grade - at the end of a unit...would prefer more fluidity with standards.
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Ss have 2 show work on supporting skills: scales, patterns, etc. Reassess through recording. Agreed, it is still tough
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Yes, I can see how SBG is helping your district!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
Right?? The more points available, the more chance for success?? That's how I felt too.
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Ss recognize that trial and error don't destroy their overall standing. Ss buy in and work harder on assignments.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
I like that terminology
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hoffmanteambret
Oct 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Ditto here! Then refocused. Amaze how persp changed after stop homework grades!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1: When I first taught, I used to grade EVERYTHING!!! Then I realized that a few grades when Ss are confident is better measure!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@englelaura
yes, please!!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
Me too!! Sometimes I think it's still tough to walk this line.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
Same!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Do the units end at certain times then? A specific pace?
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Absolutely! Then I realized I had it wrong!!! LotS of time spent grading warm-ups! What was I thinking?!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Is it possible to break the unit into different performance tasks and assess Ss learning in smaller chunks?
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hoffmanteambret
Oct 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Coach brainset coming through. Big on the 10000 touch theroy.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Yes - we follow a pacing guide set by the curr - not strictly - but close.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
That is so true! When Ss see assignments and activities as growth opportunities, they enjoy way more!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Yes - we are doing some of this - we assess every std twice & the 2nd time is separate from other stds - on its own.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Q2: How does grading impact classroom culture and/or dispositions like growth mindset in both teachers and students?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
yes me too! HW quizzes of all things!!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
What would happen if you flipped that process and did the smaller first, then the summative?
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hoffmanteambret
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
Grade can either shutdown or motivate. But WAAAAY more neg than positive.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Totally agree! I mean, I thought homework completion was best indicator of success but realized it's practice!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2: If we grade a lot the culture is a feeling of constant pressure instead of a focus on growth.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
we do that kind of with formatives - so at least they have a snapshot of their learning before the 1st summative
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
but I really like that idea...
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MrsReadout
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2: Growth mindset is shut down in classrooms where everything is graded and no chances for retakes or redos. It's a one and done.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
I call it the godfather principle: as soon as they see a grade it's dead to them!
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2: Can make or break your culture. Both the way you grade and the way you TALK about grades with students makes a huge impact.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Q2: How does grading impact classroom culture and/or dispositions like growth mindset in both teachers and students?
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 If I could get rid of summatives and grading, I would! Replace with a culture of constant feedback and growth.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
I know what you mean. I look to homework to help me figure out what to teach tomorrow.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
YES! I loathe the days when I hand back tests...
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@hoffmanteambret
I call it the godfather principle: as soon as they see a grade it's dead to them!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Agree! They follow our lead don't they? If we talk about it, they think it's important.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Totally agree
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
Say no to grades
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 If I could get rid of summatives and grading, I would! Replace with a culture of constant feedback and growth.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
What he said...
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 If I could get rid of summatives and grading, I would! Replace with a culture of constant feedback and growth.
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
A2: If grades are seen as fluid, ever changing things related to learning, the culture is amazing. Otherwise, toxic.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Agree! Yet...a pet peeve of formative is when we treat them as a noun. I prefer formatively assessing, the verb.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2: Grading makes assessments more formal and serious and evaluative, rather than growth as the primary goal.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
great way to think about that.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
When warm-ups and quizzes become almost the same weight as summative tests, that's a problem!!!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: We cultivate that
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when we focus on the learning and not the dreaded G word.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
It also I think separates the Ts from the Ss, us vs them mentality instead of all in together.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2: Grading makes assessments more formal and serious and evaluative, rather than growth as the primary goal.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Definitely! Or even how you can quickly modify your lesson for the day!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Exactly! What do we care about more?
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: We cultivate that
#growthmindset
when we focus on the learning and not the dreaded G word.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3: So then it seems feedback becomes more important the less we grade. What does "feedback" look like for you?
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A2: It depends if you are grading for learning or grading for compliance. Learning should be at the forefront of everything.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
That's a great way of putting it! It goes from a collaborative facilitation of learning to teacher as evaluator.
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 Where are you in your progress toward meeting the standard? What can you do to move towards meeting/exceeding?
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I totally agree! Sometimes we accidentally undermine ourselves, don't you think?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
awesome to have you Kirk!!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Feedback must be specific and meaningful. Help Ss see the purpose of the path they took and guide them to success.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Feedback = written encouragement and specific info about what Ss need to do to improve. Might also be a chat
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Like so many things! 1 of my fav strategies is to quickly pull examples at all levels to show Ss and let them evaluate w/ me
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
Welcome to
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Kirk
ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A2 feel like SS cannot tell you why they have that grade, not a good rep of what they know
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
I kind of worked for points when in school but times are changing! Ss are seeing things differently than Ps and Ts!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Feedback has changed a lot for me in past 6-7 years. LOTS of it in class as part of productive group work now.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Chats are tough to get to for all Ss, but SO powerful
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
Love it! Need to do more of this. We do it as Ts to ensure inter-rater reliability. Get the Ss involved!
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Like so many things! 1 of my fav strategies is to quickly pull examples at all levels to show Ss and let them evaluate w/ me
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3: Last year I started returning tests with no scores on them - just a feedback page for every prob.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@ScotSoups
I SO agree! When I ask them to reflect, I tell them they can't mention a grade (if one has been attached).
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3:Everything revolves around feedback. I stopped grading EVERYTHING last year except tests and put all of my effort in feedback.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@englelaura
I have made it a goal to use Google Classroom with options and anchor lessons to free up time for F2F convos.
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Completely agree!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
But then of course I had to put something in Infinite Campus...so they'd just look there first...
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#thestruggleisreal
chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
True! That came out differently than I intended!!!
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Thanks and sorry I was late. Cubs game is on and that takes priority tonight! Ha
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Can you elaborate on how you're doing this? Very curious
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@englelaura
@DRich0696
Agree! Often combo of written/oral feedback, but I try to catch them before they're too invested to revise
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3: I set up my class where students can get feedback from each other rather than me.
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
Ugh. Hate that piece of it. Even if what goes in IC is fluid, the fact that it is there makes it "final"
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
But then of course I had to put something in Infinite Campus...so they'd just look there first...
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#thestruggleisreal
ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3 feedback has 2 have meaning 2 each Ss so they progress toward standard, meet them where they struggle to facilitate learning
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PeaceLoveMHeine
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Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
you're forgiven! just glad you're here - how's your year going?
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
What an incredible commitment!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
Very interested. Can you elaborate? How do you structure this?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
yes please elaborate... is there a blog on this yet?
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Set up a self-paced lesson that had 3 different assignments - ind & grp - that they worked on for 3 days. I roamed!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
No worries!
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Awesome!!!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Sounds like I need to come visit! Love to get this going in my Music Fundamentals class. Big implications for PGW too
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
Q4: How do you make time for feedback? In class? Out of class?
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A3: Students provide feedback to each other is just as powerful.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Love that you are doing this! I use Workshop Model for the same purpose
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#roamtheroom
kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
My year is going great!! Year 3 with the same kids so I am truly blessed.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@DRich0696
@BurtonHable
I love these types of lessons -
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
They should be able to self and peer assess
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3: I set up my class where students can get feedback from each other rather than me.
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4 Continually refining rubrics and using them constantly. Allows for specific, familiar feedback. Opens doors for conversations.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Completely agree! Do you explicitly teach Ss how to give feedback to peers?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I'm getting to teach a few Ss that I had last year now that I'm teaching Geo too - so fun to see growth
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Collaboration is a non-negotiable in my class. I constantly model with students how to critique each other daily.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4: Well when we stop "grading" all the nonsense - there's more time for feedback.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@englelaura
I used the question function to get feedback too - rated the experience then open-ended too.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Touche!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
This helps with behavior mgmt too - Ss who need the extra support - have my full attention.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Love that you are doing this! I use Workshop Model for the same purpose
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
THIS! Twitter needs something more emphatic than just the heart. HUGE
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4: Well when we stop "grading" all the nonsense - there's more time for feedback.
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
It's unbelieveable how much time it's saved and my Ss still do all the work I give them (even though ungraded)
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
We use a peer edit protocol that serves the purpose but it could be better.
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ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4 all of the above but by creating groups or rotations to meet needs during class
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PeaceLoveMHeine
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Oct 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@TypeAMathLand
Yes - I need to do this - it's more out of habit than anything to enter them as I get them done.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I think you've figured out something I haven't. :) I still study their work to figure out what to teach next.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
@DRich0696
I use something called QuickNotes where I give 3 ideas for revision & then peers have to give the specific suggestions
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PeaceLoveMHeine
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Oct 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
it makes a huge difference when you don't have to worry about checking homework (for a math teacher that is)
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4: I provide rubrics for each standard. Each level has an "I can" attached. Ss self assess and fb focuses on language in rubric.
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
I constantly assess them while they work on activities/practice in class I just no longer collect/grade.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Love that "I can" language! It's intrinsically motivating.
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
13 years of collecting oodles of math homework and then last year... poof..all gone. I have my evenings back
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
That's great stuff! Self-assessment is HUGE IMO.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
That should be celebrated!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I like having a clipboard with me as I roam around and talk to students and groups
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I actually have Ss who do practice on their own now - even with a no HW policy in my room.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
YES! (fist pump)
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
I have this happening in Music Fundamentals too. It's awesome when the culture is prevalent in the school
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I actually have Ss who do practice on their own now - even with a no HW policy in my room.
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kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Do you make your own rubrics or do you use a program to make them. I'm always looking for ways to create rubrics.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
@Mr_Lisek
following this conversation... I'm interested too.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
Q5: How have personal management systems changed with shifting grading philosophies?
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
It CAN be done - preach this to the naysayers!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I actually have Ss who do practice on their own now - even with a no HW policy in my room.
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Ss are always aware of their learning of the target. Makes feedback conversations much more 2way vs. 1 sided.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
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Oct 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@DRich0696
when it's their own idea to practice - nothing can stop them. when it's not - nothing can make them.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@DRich0696
@kirk_humphreys
What do you put on the clipboard? I have a friend who has a folder for every student.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Exactly! (It just takes time to shift the culture.)
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
I make my own. Built around the state power standards for Soc. St. Took plenty quite a bit of time this summer.
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ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A5 once Ts get Ss to understand targets and goals in own language more personalized learning happens
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DRich0696
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Oct 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
Anecdotal mostly - asking Qs, working with peers, completed work, etc. Ss keep a file folder to track performance.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@ScotSoups
So powerful, that language piece! Do they come up with the language or do you?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
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Oct 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A5: I'm horrible at mgmt - but I'm using
@todoist
this year and my lists contain nothing about "grading" any more.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Me too on the anecdotal!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5: Also for Ss - I have a data folder that contains all their formatives & summatives - not in a drawer as a group any more.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
@todoist
That must feel liberating!!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5 G Suite has made building performance portfolios easy. Distribution, collection, feedback. It can happen so much quicker!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Q6: How have changes in grading/feedback influenced your instruction?
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Now if only Infinite Campus would catch up! ;)
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5 G Suite has made building performance portfolios easy. Distribution, collection, feedback. It can happen so much quicker!
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
since the feedback is more on the spot, written or verbal, I don't need large chunks of time - hugely liberating.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Seriously preach this -
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Now if only Infinite Campus would catch up! ;)
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5 G Suite has made building performance portfolios easy. Distribution, collection, feedback. It can happen so much quicker!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5: I feel like I collect so much more data to analyze Ss growth. It's useful to present when providing feedback to Ss.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5:
@chemelnalis
is moving to digital evidence of learning on websites and Ss are really taking ownership of learning as growth
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A6: I base my lessons on what I think they need next, not what comes next in the textbook.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@DRich0696
That's HUGE!!
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MrsReadout
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A6: So much more focused. Using Ss evidence they provide based upon their work to know where to go next, always focused on goal
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A6: Everything has way more purpose in this environment. Shift to S responsibility.
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ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
I think that is part of the struggle where our Ts are getting to right now many do such a great job at this!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A6 I know so much more about my students. Having deeper conversations about their playing and understanding of music.
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englelaura
Oct 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A6: Tough to answer because SO MUCH is different now (and all for good)
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A6: Instruction becomes much more individualized because we can truly meet them where they are and move forward t close the gap.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@DRich0696
I know it seems minor - but this is HUGE - like HUMONGOUS!
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- pardon my capitals...I'm passionate about this.
kirk_humphreys
Oct 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A6:Over the last 2 yrs I have transformed my class to a growth mindset with SBG. Carol Dweck and Jo Boaler have been inspiration
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@DRich0696
Isn't that a great luxury to have?
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
I think this is what formatively assessing is all about.
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A6 Also transformed my PLC. Outstanding 6-12 team passionate about students learning music, responding to what we learn about Ss
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@ScotSoups
I've done both: given language, have Ss come up with it. Either way, they're seeing their own arc more clearly.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
Yes - I still have a path, but it's all about growth toward the standard.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
This must bring you so many more rewards.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@kirk_humphreys
Inspirations indeed!
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
It is a wonderful spiral of growth. So fun to see!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
Q7: Such a rich discussion about rewards of less grading, more feedback! Any drawbacks?
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A7: Getting the PLC on board or just go it alone -...
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
The potential isolation...
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A7 Traditional structures, mindsets of Ts Ps and Ss, speed of implementation...
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A7: Some have to fight the myths of fewer grades (e.g. won't be ready for college, etc)
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A7: Push back from the "But, we've always done it this way..." crew. Shifting the mindset is difficult, but necessary.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A7: It's more work - if the teacher does it all. Have to involve Ss in the formative assessing.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
that I can handle - but having to keep everything consistent makes it much more challenging.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@BurtonHable
Change is slow and doesn't happen without a bit of anxiety.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A7: Parents can't understand this transition to growth because Ss don't get A's or B's.
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@DRich0696
I think I'm ok with the more work - because it's good work. More work for the sake of more work...not so much.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Always the "But" people - or are they the "Butt" people?
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A7: Push back from the "But, we've always done it this way..." crew. Shifting the mindset is difficult, but necessary.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Absolutely! You're amazing for taking on the challenge!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Exactly - more work, but the right work!
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chemelnalis
Oct 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
I am using
@weebly
for education to collect qualitative data!
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MrsReadout
Oct 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@chemelnalis
@chemelnalic
What tool do you use to digitally track evidence?
SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
I always feel like I need to see my classroom "that much larger" to include parents for whom this is new.
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
This was the single most difficult part of the SBG shift. Ps needed letters or % to "get it"
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
@SarahWessling
- so true!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
So true! It's not just Ss that need to understand, but Ps need to know and understand how Ss are doing to help!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
You called that one right!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@PeaceLoveMHeine
Absolutely! You're amazing for taking on the challenge!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
This transition way more difficult for GT students bc they worked their whole life for a good GPA and straight A's!
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
When they went through school so differently, it's hard to comprehend!
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
SO grateful to
@SarahWessling
for leading us tonight. Thank You!
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
@chemelnalic
I think there are so many myths we need to dissect for parents.
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ScotSoups
Oct 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
A7 drawback for me was consistency between Ts in same grade/subject
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@DRich0696
https://t.co/ZvMQc2JZoY
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@chemelnalic
I don't miss the "Is my child missing work in your class" conversations anymore. Now that Ps comprehend, it's nice.
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
Parent
#edcamp
is my answer but I can't sell it.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@Mr_Lisek
@chemelnalic
I think there are so many myths we need to dissect for parents.
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
Q8: Last "lightning" question. What did your students teach you today?
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SarahWessling
Oct 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@DRich0696
That's pretty interesting...
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@SarahWessling
@Mr_Lisek
Definitely! In education, we roll with the punches but Ps don't have that perspective!
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Mr_Lisek
Oct 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
A8: That patience is a virtue.
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chemelnalic
Oct 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
@MrsReadout
Maybe this will help more Ss take those courses now?
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BurtonHable
Oct 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
A8 S submitted audition with Screencastify showing the music he played AND a video of him playing! HUGE implications for feedback
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PeaceLoveMHeine
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
@DRich0696
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DRich0696
- Moderator
Oct 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
A8: I learned that they want a lot of the same things in a lesson that I have as goals.
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