#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday September 25, 2017
3:00 PM EDT
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Though our Triple GCSE weren't too bad, double science too far off, any tips? #ASEchat
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  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    I guess the real question is how are people assessing progress at GCSE? #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Basically not using red /green should help majority of CB people. Blue / yellow should be no prob #ASEChat
    In reply to @dannynic
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Very King Solomon like #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • _theteachr Sep 25 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    *Types ‘#ASEchat’, selects it, hits cmd C* I is ready...
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    How do you create your summative assessments? #ASEchat
    In reply to @DrBearScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    I am not clear why triple science predictions appeared more accurate. Smaller cohort effect? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    might be more luck than reason #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Welcome #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Is the issue to do with assessment instruments used, or grading the outcomes? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    How were they more accurate? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    I suspect both for us, assessments largely from testbase, using past papers (not match spec?) graded inexpertly? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DrBearScience
  • _theteachr Sep 25 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Summative assessments. That must be exampro or equivalent right? #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Assessment instruments will probably correlate with final grade, but not necessarily going to match. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @DrBearScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Quoting @agittner 'Though our Triple GCSE weren't too bad, double science too far off, any tip' #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Do practice summative tests predict what students achieve in the real thing? When more experienced can judge from other performance #ASEChat
    • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:02 PM EDT
      How do you create your summative assessments? #ASEchat
      In reply to @DrBearScience
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    My old spec GCSE predictions were out. Difference between students answering exam questions in class and in the exam. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Ah, got you. #asechat I missed that - thought you meant over all.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Or chlorophyll! #ASEChat
    In reply to @dannynic, @colourblindorg
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Hard ones are accountability borderlines, ore risky to stick your neck out here, and can easily be wrong #ASEChat
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:05 PM EDT
      Do practice summative tests predict what students achieve in the real thing? When more experienced can judge from other performance #ASEChat
      • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:02 PM EDT
        How do you create your summative assessments? #ASEchat
        In reply to @DrBearScience
  • _theteachr Sep 25 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    I suspect there will be an increase in applications for examiners this year #ASEchat
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    If you were out were you above or below with predictions? #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    We're not expert enough (not clairvoyant enough) to be defining grade boundaries that will match final grade #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @DrBearScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Do we sub-consciously teach to a test where we know the questions? #ASEchat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Not from what can be only parts of a full exam #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @DrBearScience
  • SteveTeachPhys Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    I use a regression line of actual outcomes against previous mocks, requires a stable qualification unfortunately #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Do you really study the papers and examiner reports to help you? #ASEchat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Want to know our plan this year? I think it's a good one #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • DrBearScience Sep 25 @ 3:07 PM EDT
      I definitely won't feel as confident this year as I don't have 4 years of papers to match against.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Who could resist? #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Sounds like a scientific approach!, you’ll always get outliers #ASEChat
    • SteveTeachPhys Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
      I use a regression line of actual outcomes against previous mocks, requires a stable qualification unfortunately #ASEChat
      In reply to @agittner
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    You certainly have a good idea what will come up with little imagination in question setting! #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • _theteachr Sep 25 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Removal of controlled assessments is going to scarper everyone’s ability to predict. No more ‘only need Ds to get an overall C #ASEchat
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Yes it does. And even within the old spec I think there is a drift in the style of questions #ASEchat
    In reply to @SteveTeachPhys
  • mrsjmclark Sep 25 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Year 12 calibrating the microscopes to measure and sketch their cheek cells today! #ASEChat #whatItaughttoday
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Sch did analysis last year & found that teacher assigned behaviour for learning grades showed a high correlation with FFT progress. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Don't tell the staff this year then #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    If you don’t then you are missing a trick. Especially if you don’t have ‘markers’ on your team. #ASEChat
    • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:08 PM EDT
      Do you really study the papers and examiner reports to help you? #ASEchat
      In reply to @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    I hope you see this as a 'good thing' even tho it raises uncertainty? What about removal of module tests? Greater uncertainty? #ASEChat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Helps to know what sort of ‘wrong’ answers students gave, could develop diagnostic questions like @MaryUYSEG recommends #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @MaryUYSEG
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    How close is close enough? One grade? And controversially - does it really matter? #ASEchat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Those with high BfL grades consistently made above expected progress. Those with average or below made below. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • SteveTeachPhys Sep 25 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    For the CIE IGCSE its pretty effective, predicted 65%, got 72% because the grade boundaries went down. Better than guessing! #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    I agree but does it help predict grades? #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @MaryUYSEG
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    Twas ever thus. Boards dare not change radically overnight, so watch for gradual changes to see direction of travel in questions #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @SteveTeachPhys
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    I think it matters if you are keen to enable all students to achieve to potential, helps you know who to help? #ASEchat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @DrBearScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Is this open to accusations of changed expectations / self fulfilling prophecy? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    I do for teaching, not sure about how to use it for predicting though #ASEchat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    So this year we're going to focus on BfL as a proxy for future attainment. Driving a focus on learning behaviour as targets. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • _theteachr Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    No more UMS so that adds another variable... #asechat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • DrBearScience Sep 25 @ 3:12 PM EDT
      Yes.... doesn't everybody? (May have missed tone here)
      In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    That would be my fear, now the link is known. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    What you going to do this year then? #ASEchat :-)
    In reply to @SteveTeachPhys
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    We're not going to be "predicting" grades, we're going to be predicting who will be successful - whatever that is. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    All within a grade, about a third a grade under, about a quarter a grade over. Maths and English predictions more accurate... #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Sounds amorphous - but it's something we can be consistent and definite about over the year. Grading - not a chance #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Great!! And what did you do? #ASEchat
    In reply to @cleverfiend
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Do the reports say “students who took the higher paper and went on to get XX” answered this question like this Might have dreamt it #asechat
    • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:13 PM EDT
      I do for teaching, not sure about how to use it for predicting though #ASEchat
      In reply to @DrBearScience, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Remind me of the strength of correlation between behaviour and attainment please. Causation? Sort one and other is sorted? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    We have a 5 point A2L score range, which doesn't give much variation, is yours wider? #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • SteveTeachPhys Sep 25 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    I'm in the lucky position that CIE hasn't changed, just moved to 9-1 #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    This is top down decision; whole school - why try and predict, when we can't. #asechat (We'll still have grade predictions too :) ?!?)
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Just come online - what's the convo??? #ASEchat
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Welcome, we are discussing strategies for accurately predicting GCSE outcomes #ASEchat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    No narrower - everyone 4+ achieved FFT20 or more 3< did worse. So we've narrowed to 4 point scale #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    For me its both, its about how well do you know your students.(so you know who to help) #ASEchat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @cleverfiend, @DrBearScience
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Thanks - does KS2 data feature at all? Interested to know how important (if at all) it is, tracking progress thru KS3-4? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    We had 5 point like you - we're basically saying 2 is our old 3 (adequate) but that adequate isn't good enough to beat FFT20 #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    I agree- it will take us a couple of years to adapt but as long as no one changes the curriculum again we will regain our expertise #ASEChat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Cant we use @FFTEdu Estimates? (Note not predictions!) #ASEChat Open up a conversation with students about chances
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    We are beginning to look into students with very different KS2 scores (ie v high eng but low maths) giving middling KS2 fine scores #ASEchat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Exam questions, past papers towards the end and, most important, I knew my students inside out. Is there a better way? 😀 #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    You can but its for a different thing? This is about predicting outcomes so that you implement intervention? #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @FFTEdu
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:16 PM EDT
      good point is + or - 1 grade accurate? the difference can just be 1 mark out of 240
      In reply to @cleverfiend, @DrBearScience, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Q; Do you just teach one part of double science or all three? #ASEchat
    In reply to @cleverfiend
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    We're doing a best fit on the score of ~7 aspects of behaviour. (1 BfL grade per subject). Teacher & student baseline done this wk #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @MrChurchTweets
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    #asechat it feels very different trying to make predictions in the new spec
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Hoping to run a session on KS3 shortly, and this would be a very good question to ask. #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    I agree. Too many unknowns and beware the killer question #ASEchat
    In reply to @gregtheseal
  • DrBearScience Sep 25 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Last year, all three Triple. This year, for Year 11s I have two classes I teach just Chemistry and one class I teach just Biology. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @cleverfiend
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    As for the rest of it: can they answer lots of questions that test knowledge and skills in the spec? The more they do the better #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @MrChurchTweets
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Last year I did applied, core before, biology this year! Admittedly my learners are a little different but principles same! #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Also we have no reference points to previous papers. #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    I teach in a rolling rota and find it harder to (know my students inside out) with a few weeks teaching #ASEchat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    So why bother - just prepare them as best you can for the worst #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @gregtheseal
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Brilliant - thanks - more science teachers need to know about colour vision deficiencies including with UI #ASEChat
    In reply to @colourblindorg, @dannynic
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Here's a question. Are schools where one teacher teaches all three subject in double better at predicting? #ASEchat
  • mchsscidrm Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    #asechat
    • mchsscidrm Sep 25 @ 3:24 PM EDT
      we do similar but not bfl, we use quantity of practice questions done, good correlation for us and no predicted or target grades in sight
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    We're hoping so #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    what do you call a rolling rota? doesn't sharing classes help with discussion strenghtd and weakness? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    predictions might be better but will outcomes? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    7 weeks of biology then they move onto another subject and you pick up a second class, then in another 7 weeks.... #ASEchat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Yes , from the research published last week about literacy and predicted success in science https://t.co/WzzHm3hsaw #ASEChat
    • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:20 PM EDT
      We are beginning to look into students with very different KS2 scores (ie v high eng but low maths) giving middling KS2 fine scores #ASEchat
      In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    #asechat - of course - so naturally we've changed the scale; into the great unknown.
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    unfortunately data has to be tracked and interventions put in place #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Very relevant. Is knowing the students more important than knowing the science? (Rather crude distillation I know) #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Were all your teachers about the same? #ASEchat
    In reply to @DanHannard, @alomshaha
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    It was first thing on first day of term ;) but we're doing it different this year so system has changed #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    I ask as we use EYFS and KS1 data to track progress at primary (Eng & maths mainly). But the data is there! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    They might be if it correctly identifies who needs help/organisation/revisions skills #ASEchat
    In reply to @gregtheseal
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    are you asked to predict a “combined” outcome with other teachers or just for each science? How do shared classes work for others?#asechat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @agittner, @cleverfiend
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Sounds very secondary! I'd be interested in seeing sample questions #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    We're doing it almost entirely on behaviour for learning this year with Y11. If their BfL not good then intervention. #asechat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    It tends to be "how did they do in the last test they sat" #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    This does not appeal to me. Who gets the 7 weeks Nov - Jan? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @gregtheseal, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    For me there is no reduction in practical science, just stopping a part of the exam that didn't really test practical science #ASEchat
    In reply to @Fizzpup
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    If it is then they'll succeed - according to our correlated data from last year; the big gamble. Obviously: got to teach them well #asechat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • DanHannard Sep 25 @ 3:26 PM EDT
      We got it correct to the %. However, that was for full cohort- many individuals were very different.
      In reply to @agittner, @alomshaha
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Interesting. Isn't there a correlation between maths attainment and science? Or is that just at primary? #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #asechat you could teach it like separate sciences, split lessons between 3 and rotate classes
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Does this really count - individuals are the point #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Is EYFS etc data in a form that can be passed easily to receiving secondary schools? When LAs were in existence this was possible #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Interesting, I haven't seen data that reflects that view elsewhere, where did you get that from please? #ASEchat
    In reply to @Fizzpup
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    The correlation with literacy is stronger. (maybe other variables ;) (eg SES and deprivation) #ASEChat see @HelpfulScience blog
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @HelpfulScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    In the "good old days of KS3 SATS" ks3 english was often a better predictor of GCSE outcomes #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @MrChurchTweets, @HelpfulScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Be good to see, many years from now how different curriculum arrangements influence results. There is little consistency in England #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @gregtheseal, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Ah well I promised 30 minutes on the skills needed for science A-level success. So open to starters for 10 #ASEchat
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Will do! I'll have to look at my school's data and see if the trends are there #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @HelpfulScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    I knew we shouldn’t have got rid of those ;) #ASEChat #SATs
    In reply to @agittner, @MrChurchTweets, @HelpfulScience
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Predicting summary points: 1 use exam questions and study examiners reports. 2 find a good correlation with an existing test #ASEchat
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    They do but, what happens if they get it wrong? Some data checking can support teachers judgment #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    A Level or GCSE please #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    3. Really know your class. 4. Look at KS2 outcomes especially literacy #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Nice if your curriculum plan allocates science time in multiples of 3. Seen some shockers recently #ASEChat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @agittner, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Interesting,perhaps @thease needs to look more widely.I wasn't aware of it as a trend among the teachers I know,nor my own practice #ASEchat
    In reply to @Fizzpup, @theASE
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    It's not just down to individual classroom teachers - if no info across school how can children with wider problems be identified #asechat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @mrbakerphysics, @agittner
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Funny you should say that! ours does #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @DrBearScience, @cleverfiend
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Too many people not using the #ASEChat I’m losing threads all over, can’t tell what your on about!
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    So are "science" skills more important than "study" skills at A-level https://t.co/kTeNhOScuD #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • Fizzpup Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
      what is your opinion on the reduction of practical science at GCSE? @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    5. Look for a proxy for success instead #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    #asechat and *hashtag
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    it has to be standardised. #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    What is that list you're making if not data? Also, what if students missed? #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @gregtheseal, @agittner
  • cleverfiend Sep 25 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    No reduction in my setting. If anything there's more as I do what I've always done with mandatory ones on top. Pace fast though #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    At least I wasn't threatened with nuclear annihilation #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Math skills! #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    I think you might be getting a different view on here Dave :-) #ASEchat
    In reply to @Mallrat_uk, @Fizzpup
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Tools for science: whether that's studying, comprehension, maths, practical, experimental design, subject specific problem solving #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • mrbakerphysics Sep 25 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    be a grade above "target" but still need help or pushing further. You help everyone who needs help. How can that be standardised? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @gregtheseal, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Study skills for A level - none required at GCSE now as no time for individual study #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Thank you Alex, thought I was in a vacuum for a while #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    I was thinking about this when there was that announcement last week about the changes to interim assessments etc. cant find link #asechat
    • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
      I ask as we use EYFS and KS1 data to track progress at primary (Eng & maths mainly). But the data is there! #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    more important than science skills? Do we as science teachers know what these are? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Don't do - non-domain specific skills. They need to learn how to study, problem solve, think creatively for *your* subject #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    What are you saying Richard? there's loadsa time now we don't have the ISA to do :) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    This one? https://t.co/Zzs7q1dsFc #ASEChat
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
      I was thinking about this when there was that announcement last week about the changes to interim assessments etc. cant find link #asechat
      • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:28 PM EDT
        I ask as we use EYFS and KS1 data to track progress at primary (Eng & maths mainly). But the data is there! #asechat
        In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Not a fan of term 'skills' being undefined, but students need 'soft skills' to move out into the world. Does science support them? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Science in the News, EPQ etc have their place but they have been squeezed too hard #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Some suggest many of these skills are domain specific. So teach science specific skills & students will use them where they can IRL #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • MrChurchTweets Sep 25 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    I should hope so - but are the soft skills 'ignored' as they're not assessed? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    See the Learning Skills in Science Post and pre 16 versions https://t.co/R0OivFlqY3 #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    With two obvious exceptions - writing clearly and doing mafs #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Has their elastic limit been passed? Hooke won't be happy #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Sadly the view is that if not assessed then no need to teach it. And we are only assessing things that can be assessed 'reliably' #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    A view #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    and colouring in (only key subjects) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Thanks Dave that is the one! worth you 2ndry teachers seeing whats coming @educationgovuk plans for primary assessment improvements #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @educationgovuk
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Are there practical skills (to do with handling equipment etc) that aren't stressed enough at GCSE but vital at A-level? #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    We interrupt this broadcast to bring you important news #asechat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Certainly not for EPQ - but may be easier to use in some other post 16 subjects than science #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Within the lines...High level colouring #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • ruthyie Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    What's a maf? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    maf is 'ard sums #ASEchat
    In reply to @ruthyie, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Unfortunately now physics do not teach how to wire a plug even this colouring skill is being lost to the world #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Mafs is the bad spelink of Maths. #asechat
    In reply to @ruthyie, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Yes I agree, they find it so hard to transfer between subjects, (leaving their maths and English bags outside the lab door) #ASEChat
    • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:43 PM EDT
      Don't do - non-domain specific skills. They need to learn how to study, problem solve, think creatively for *your* subject #asechat
      In reply to @agittner
  • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    I blame moulded plugs #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Full disclosure - I teach how to wire a plug at GCSE (even though it's not on the spec). If it's good enough for me in 1992 ... #asechat
    • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM EDT
      Unfortunately now physics do not teach how to wire a plug even this colouring skill is being lost to the world #ASEChat
      In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    How unfair on moldy plugs #asechat
    • gregtheseal Sep 25 @ 3:52 PM EDT
      I blame moulded plugs #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Right #asechat - I'm off. This has been fun - thanks @agittner
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    Well the discussion on Skills in A-level science is crawling to a halt #ASEchat
  • TJohns85 Sep 25 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    A course aimed at Science NQTs, RQTs and non subject specialists- sign up for free CPD https://t.co/lfW1qI8zuZ @UKEd_SW #ASEChat
  • ruthyie Sep 25 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    I am v late but gather skills for A level is the topic. This week we are ensuring all phy stdts can do trig, SI, prefixes, layout #asechat
  • TeacherTapp Sep 25 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Also - @a_weatherall says bye bye from here #asechat FOLLOW US AND USE #teachertapp (BAD FORM WEATHERALL)
  • ruthyie Sep 25 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    etc because if I'm honest, it's been a bit sink or swim in the past. I am sure the rest of you always nail this.. #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    All our prayers have been answered - the silver bullet exists :) #asechat
    • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:55 PM EDT
      all you need to learn phys is red and blue crayon and IoP transparent rulers for drawing lines of best fit. RIP protractor and plotting pins
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Thank you Ruth, a sensible suggestions #ASEchat do they transfer their GCSE maths skills?
    In reply to @ruthyie
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    No - teach it again in context #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ruthyie
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Well we are coming to the end to the formal part of #ASEchat (not sure how formal we were tonight) tbh
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    These should be taught as part of science GCSE courses and even before GCSE starts? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @ruthyie
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 25 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Yeah it kind of is - #asechat
    In reply to @ruthyie
  • agittner Sep 25 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Thank you for all who contributed tonight. I have things to do as always from our discussion #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Sep 25 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Thanks Al. Fairly free ranging once more! Will do a storify #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner