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WELCOME TO #lpmhq Topic: The Significance of LPM Certifications.
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I obtained my project management certification from the Project Management Institute (PMI) in 2004. So I'm an official PMP. And dang that test was hard. I had planned on studying over the course of 6 months but ended up cramming for 3 weeks. #LPMHQ
I obtained my project management certification from the Project Management Institute (PMI) in 2004. So I'm an official PMP. And dang that test was hard. I had planned on studying over the course of 6 months but ended up cramming for 3 weeks. #LPMHQ
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I have one from the "International Institute of LPM" which I didn't do much to get. They contacted me and offered it up. Probably to build up the branding/reputation. They also made me a fellow of the IILPM for my "contributions to the field of LPM" #Q1#LPMHQ
I have one from the "International Institute of LPM" which I didn't do much to get. They contacted me and offered it up. Probably to build up the branding/reputation. They also made me a fellow of the IILPM for my "contributions to the field of LPM" #Q1#LPMHQ
A2: Hard to say without knowing more specifics, though I do see value in having a legal focus. PMI is a great framework, but requires a lot of finesse in a law firm! #lpmhq
Credentials become more valued as an industry/profession matures. E.g., E-discovery and the CEDS certification. And Project Management general and the PMP. No LPM-specific certification with wide recognition, but more legal employers looking for PMPs. #lpmhq
I personally think LPM and PM are two different things and only some elements of traditional PM are really implement in "LPM". I think that LPM specific credentials are still an unknown in weight and quality despite having one as they are so new. #A1#LPMHQ
A2. One oft-overlooked value of credentials are ethical requirements. But needs to have some bit. E.g. PMI ethical complaint procedure (https://t.co/o6vKJ0hV6D) #lpmhq
I personally think LPM and PM are two different things and only some elements of traditional PM are really implement in "LPM". I think that LPM specific credentials are still an unknown in weight and quality despite having one as they are so new. #A1#LPMHQ
The cert is just a feather in our cap if you have experience. Learning more is good, but that isn't really what you are paying for with a cert, it's for the paper. For younger professionals, I think it shows genuine interest in the area even if they lack experience. #A2#LPMHQ
#LPMHQ. I am a PMP thru PMI. Project management is a discipline that is based upon years of evolution and experience. I do not see how industry specific spin offs without the same vetting process are comparable.
A3 - PMP is not really an entry-level credential. Need 5-years exp. Entry-level credentials are useful to show interest and dedication, but not experience. #lpmhq
A3 - PMP is not really an entry-level credential. Need 5-years exp. Entry-level credentials are useful to show interest and dedication, but not experience. #lpmhq
Certifications are only as good if the organization providing them are doing so based on capabilities of the people who are getting them. That doesn't mean just attending a session, but actually showing you can do something. #A2#LPMHQ
Q3: I primarily hired PMPs because I found the credentialing as an important indicator of how serious they took the profession and discipline. Whether it be LSS, PM, Scrum or any other discipline, I think you should learn the core B4 tailoring it to your industry/culture. #LPMHQ
Certification shows recognition of peers, dedication to a profession, and *should* show adherence to ethical guidelines. Certifications without ethical framework are lacking. #lpmhq
#LPMHQ. I am a PMP thru PMI. Project management is a discipline that is based upon years of evolution and experience. I do not see how industry specific spin offs without the same vetting process are comparable.
I think it is. People seem to respect "Lean Six Sigma" credentials (of which I also have), but there is also no unifying or certifying body that sets standards of which all Six Sigma credentials comply. #LPMHQ#A1
Certifications are only as good if the organization providing them are doing so based on capabilities of the people who are getting them. That doesn't mean just attending a session, but actually showing you can do something. #A2#LPMHQ
#LPMHQ we are at a very early stage of pm evolution in Legal. LPM is designed for what we think lawyers will do now. I value the core discipline because it can help us see what is missing and possible in the future
Does anyone find the PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP) valuable in legal environments? Is agile a better fit than "waterfall" in legal environments? #lpmhq
#LPMHQ we are at a very early stage of pm evolution in Legal. LPM is designed for what we think lawyers will do now. I value the core discipline because it can help us see what is missing and possible in the future
I and members of my team launched a full semester course on LPM/LPI at Chicago-Kent last year. It was a smashing success. But was just the fundamentals of LPM. As this group knows, it takes yrs and yrs of exp. I believe we need to seed these skills early with lawyers. #lpmhq
I don't have the certification, but think this is a good point. I often tried to get litigation teams to think of their cases in 'sprints', if you will. Easier than saying you must plan everything #lpmhq
Q4 - I think we need a credential from the ground up. Either industry-specific credential & BOK backed by PMI+ABA (or similar partnership) or a non-profit created for the purpose of building an LPM BoK. #lpmhq
Q4 - I think we need a credential from the ground up. Either industry-specific credential & BOK backed by PMI+ABA (or similar partnership) or a non-profit created for the purpose of building an LPM BoK. #lpmhq
Q3: I primarily hired PMPs because I found the credentialing as an important indicator of how serious they took the profession and discipline. Whether it be LSS, PM, Scrum or any other discipline, I think you should learn the core B4 tailoring it to your industry/culture. #LPMHQ
It depends. We found in most cases, a modified agile/scrum approach worked better than waterfall for lit & xactional matters. There were certain projects w/ less variability where we could build effort based waterfall plan and stick to it. #LPMHQ
@micah For any LPM cert 'enforcement' is only going to be stripping cert. if violations of ethical rules are broken. I think PMI provides a good model for this. Can get tricky with LPM, though. Could lawyers have ethical duties that conflict with traditional PM ethics? #lpmhq
We also prioritize PMP. We use LPM certs or training to help our team know where to focus now. I have found that the PMP cert is more valuable to clients #LPMHQ
I think having one non-profit unifying body under one unified definition of qualifications and BOK would be needed. But as @david_rueff pointed out LPM is still very early in its adoption and development. #q4#LPMHQ
The reputation of the certification holders will build acceptance and value of the credential. I think running programs through schools is a great way to provide real unbiased recognition of accomplishment #LPMHQ
People seem to forget this or don't know this at all & discredit the PMP certification. B4 you can even apply you must have been a practitioner for years! And then, like I said, the test is not a piece of cake. I keep up my PDUs because I never want to have to retake it! #LPMHQ
