#ASEchat Archive

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Monday June 19, 2017
3:00 PM EDT
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  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    #asechat as the great Adrian Cronauer would say: It's HOT. So Q: what is crucial for identifying progress in science?
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    Only time will tell if it is accurate #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    #asechat knowing what they knew and could do to start with
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Assessments is a good starting point but also questions in class to assess understanding of topics #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Can I counter that Q with a Q: What is progress in science? Does it vary across disciplines? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    #asechat exactly - we're adopting this flight plan next academic year. Pre-test k / skills. Teach. Post-test k / skills. Glad that's sorted.
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Can progress only be measured by a test? #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    #asechat - we're on a dual wavelength: on FM I'm talking about academic progress, over on LW @alomshaha is going for societal change.
    • alomshaha Jun 19 @ 3:03 PM EDT
      Getting rid of institutional sexism and racism would be a good start. Is that what you meant?
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    #asechat so decide if they have moved on and track who has or has not!
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • teachingofsci Jun 19 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Science teacher colleagues who use the Litvinenko case to teach alpha sources may wish to reconsider... #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    By test - I mean summative task. And no, that's not the only way. So what else do we need? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Is this assuming a linear movement? Not all students will progress in a manner that conforms to expectations. #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    The vote closes helpfully at 9pm :) #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • DrBearScience Jun 19 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Big challenge: how do you track progress when you change topic so quickly? 5 lessons and on to the next discipline #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Let's do that in the second half #asechat
    • alomshaha Jun 19 @ 3:07 PM EDT
      If we're not talking about societal change then what's the point Alex? I wish I could afford to not talk about societal change.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • Bio_Joe Jun 19 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Yes #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • LaGrangeITL5633 Jun 19 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    A: Having students apply their learning. #ASEChat #edu5213SBU
  • twinklresources Jun 19 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    quality questioning #asechat and understanding of needs of class
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Don't test at the end of each topic. Group them up. Give them time to practice. Test less often? #asechat
    In reply to @DrBearScience
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    No...but in terms of evidence about the progress of students its a good start. Skills is another way of assessing progress #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Before learners can progress they need to know teacher expectations. You run a race around a track after all - give them the track. #asechat
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    We do cumulative tests, so Nov test is Sept-Nov work, Feb is Sept-Feb etc #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Organising learning by big ideas helps with this, means you can keep revisiting too, in different contexts. https://t.co/PZWKsoNdmx #asechat
    • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:09 PM EDT
      Don't test at the end of each topic. Group them up. Give them time to practice. Test less often? #asechat
      In reply to @DrBearScience
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Should skills be taught in isolation from content then so there is clarity of progress and attainment? #asechat
    In reply to @Mr_Misquitta, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #asechat just make sure you give them chances to practice and get better in between. Long term progress is the goal.
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @DrBearScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Who likes measuring progress in a lesson, or have we moved on from that particular "proxy for learning" #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    is there anything here that is peculiar to science ? tests ‘measure' attainment in all subjects. What about Progress in science? #ASEChat
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    That's a good idea. I remember having periodic test similar 2 that when I schooled in India. Will help with less testing 4 students #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    We're moving to tests every half term, with 50% that HT, 50% everything since day 1. Better learning, but marks will fall... #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    I would say that skills ARE part of the content of a science curriculum, same as drawing part of art #ASEChat
    • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM EDT
      Should skills be taught in isolation from content then so there is clarity of progress and attainment? #asechat
      In reply to @Mr_Misquitta, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Why do we focus so much on progress? If a learner attains a standard then stays there or improves they have obviously progressed. #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Do we need to measure progress in practical skills and working scientifically as well as progress in understanding sci concepts? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Learnt from that mistake during pgce...generally pointless as students will regress by next lesson. Cancels out the progress 💩 #asechat
  • purplechemist Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Surely we focus on progress because that is the way we are professionally judged and held accountable? #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    ... how do people balance tough tests (to prod learning) with perceived need to keep marks going up? #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Not in the long term they won't. Nice model. How do you measure progress? QLA? #asechat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @doc_kristy, @DrBearScience
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Every half term could end up being v frequent depending on how Easter falls etc! #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    We could focus on planning practicals, getting data and analyisng data with explaining the science. #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    great question! you could always fiddle the data ;) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • teachingofsci Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    But that's why the focus is on learning in the longer term, not short term (is transient) marks, yes? #asechat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Might I suggest, ignore the latter problem :) #asechat
    • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
      ... how do people balance tough tests (to prod learning) with perceived need to keep marks going up? #ASEChat
      In reply to @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • Glazgow Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    I think so, developing scientific practical skills is an important part of the curriculum and needs to be measured #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    thanks for the poo emoji #asechat
    In reply to @allchet94
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Skills needs to be in conjuction with content. #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    True- but it's a step forward from end of 3 week topics. #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Is this quite hard to assess? will be interesting to see what the awarding bodies make of doing this in a written test. #asechat
    • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
      We could focus on planning practicals, getting data and analyisng data with explaining the science. #ASEChat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    You're most welcome #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • LaGrangeITL5633 Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Skills are important, but being able to apply them is what really matters. #ASEChat #edu5213SBU
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    It's quite important ;) so how best to measure that? #asechat
    • Glazgow Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
      I think so, developing scientific practical skills is an important part of the curriculum and needs to be measured #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Practical skill development is hard to define never mind track progress. #asechat @royalsociety are looking at this https://t.co/7Z5yu5566t
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56, @royalsociety
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    #asechat but if you change the 'race type', (topic) then performance is likely to be different ?
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    and thinking like a scientist .. working scientifically… not all practical work, some hard thinking too #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM EDT
      I think so, developing scientific practical skills is an important part of the curriculum and needs to be measured #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56
  • SKLchem Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    #asechat been trying Starter idea. Fish was from last lesson, dog last topic, elephant from way back. Helping kids to recall #masteryscience
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #asechat if you want marks to keep going up give the same test
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    To be worked out- a QLA (they mostly bombed on X in November, but did better in Feb) might be a way to go. #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @doc_kristy, @DrBearScience
  • BiochemSoc Jun 19 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Our free online biochemistry course is perfect for #year12 students thinking about taking biochemistry => https://t.co/zeNt33VCCf #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    We're going between every H/T and Term however it best fits the subject. #asechat
    • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:16 PM EDT
      Every half term could end up being v frequent depending on how Easter falls etc! #ASEChat
      In reply to @stuartteachphys, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    There there are the important parts of science that aren't currently focused on much or assessed well e.g. developing models #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Could track particular topics or question types to see if cohort/class are progressing? #asechat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Great link, thanks Marc #asechat
  • Glazgow Jun 19 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    It's probably observation of pupils in increasingly complex practical situations from planning to carrying out investigations #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stuartteachphys Jun 19 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Long-term you're right, but it may need a lot of explaining to pupils, parents and spreadsheet readers. #ASEChat
    In reply to @teachingofsci, @doc_kristy, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    So, suggestion at our school: test - teach - same test. Improvements made indicates progress. #asechat Thoughts?
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Proper science is hard to assess, that’s why a focus on the ‘stuff’ hopefully new exams will dispel this A02 and A03 #ASEChat
    • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      There there are the important parts of science that aren't currently focused on much or assessed well e.g. developing models #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    If you cohort /norm reference your data when assigning 'grades' then progress or at least maintaining same 'level' could be seen? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartteachphys, @teachingofsci, @A_Weatherall, @DrBearScience
  • Glazgow Jun 19 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Definitely, using practical and thinking skills in unfamiliar contexts where they need to think through what they are doing #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Does progress *need* to be recorded / reported? #asechat
  • twinklresources Jun 19 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    What a fabulous resource for #space https://t.co/cVLp65fh5F Brand new on the site #science #asechat ^Kat #spacecamp
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Makes sense but then when they get questions wrong he second time that they got right the first time...😱😫 #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Progress by tracking attainment is a valid approach IMO You need well constructed tests and knowing what they do and don't tell you #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    My preference is for simple MC check/basic test. Then a more traditional test at end #asechat with ongoing quizzes in between.
    In reply to @allchet94
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    #asechat so what does that suggest about original thought re possible mastery of topic?
    In reply to @allchet94, @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    No. #asechat Tracking progress has to serve a purpose - tracking for the sake of tracking is an issue in education.
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Ah I see...do you instantly use outcome of MC test to inform teaching or just address each common error/misconception as it comes? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    #asechat What is in my mind? :)
    • DSGhataura Jun 19 @ 3:26 PM EDT
      Yes, otherwise you'd forget it. I think the answer to your question is clear BUT I think you really have another q in mind
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    #asechat yes
    In reply to @allchet94, @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Tracking is not the same as assessing, if you are doing it so you can track then its probably not helping learning #ASEChat
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Totally agree... thats where I struggle at times to report the new GCSE assessment system. Predicting their grades in Y11 #asechat
    In reply to @alomshaha, @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #asechat and ask yourself 'would you miss it if you stopped?'
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    A bit of everything: baseline what do they know beforehand, who can I stretch further on this topic, also what needs clear teaching #asechat
    In reply to @allchet94
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Let's not go back to the bad old days of the APP trackers... 😨 #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • DSGhataura Jun 19 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #ASEChat "Do we have to record/track -as we do now-?" ... although I might irritate you with this 'I think you think this'.
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    #asechat - he's back - and is tuned into FM.
    • alomshaha Jun 19 @ 3:27 PM EDT
      Dude, if you've got evidence of progress you'd better record it. Otherwise you'll just be making data up like the rest of us.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Love it- that's another little job to do before summer hols...compiling MCQ tests! #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Are they predictable? Not very I'd wager. So why bother? #asechat
    • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:29 PM EDT
      Totally agree... thats where I struggle at times to report the new GCSE assessment system. Predicting their grades in Y11 #asechat
      In reply to @alomshaha, @A_Weatherall
  • LaGrangeITL5633 Jun 19 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    That is the challenge--getting them working scientifically and using the knowledge/skills they have #ASEChat #edu5213SBU
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • purplechemist Jun 19 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    At the moment, utterly unpredictable. However, required on reporting! Unreliable in the extreme :-) #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    I think it's more open - what should we record/report as students show progress through a year? #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura
  • DrRacheal Jun 19 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    For SLT #ASEChat #metoo
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    That's a good question. I always use their assessment as evidence to base their grades. It is like a wager #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    But they know it's a finger in the air don't they - why not look at where they are now compared to what they should achieve? #asechat
    In reply to @DrRacheal
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    @Cam_Assessment run a course about writing good MCQs... https://t.co/dZvRmBLOcd Just saying #asechat
    In reply to @allchet94, @A_Weatherall, @Cam_Assessment
  • DSGhataura Jun 19 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Recording and reporting are two very different beasts #asechat @BarnesRick had a brill session at #masteryscience
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @BarnesRick
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Assess against the curriculum, record what they can and cant do, tell next teacher, be responsive Make it diagnostic #asechat
    • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:33 PM EDT
      I think it's more open - what should we record/report as students show progress through a year? #asechat
      In reply to @DSGhataura
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    Lets get back to the more complex area of assessing progress in skills :) - we know they exist in science despite what others say #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    #asechat as per statutory requirements, why make it more complicated?
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    indeed #ASEChat SLT often make it more complicated than need be. Covering their backs #ASEChat
    • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:38 PM EDT
      #asechat as per statutory requirements, why make it more complicated?
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    And what are they? #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56
  • allchet94 Jun 19 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Best MCQs should inc. options that all require retrieval. Best (and hardest) involve picking 1 wrong statement from other ✔️ ones #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall, @Cam_Assessment
  • DSGhataura Jun 19 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    @CharteredColl BRAINWAVE: Enter a doi into a search field and it returns whether full text is available via CCT access. #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrBlachford, @chemDrK, @adamboxer1, @CharteredColl
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    National Curriculum! #ASEChat thats the statutory stuff. we get hijacked by thinking its a grade at the end of a exam course. #ASEChat
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    #asechat nearly always, not really covering backs, often exposing school because flawed/ made up data
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • gregtheseal Jun 19 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Can we not just go back to key ideas and POAE? #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    OK @ViciaScience just got back from Londres so am off for me tea thanks all this is a very old and hot chestnut/potato #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    OK so Nat Cat at KS3 - assess against that? *Re-reads NC again - weeps into ginger beer.* #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    #asechat at least once a year comment on achievement and progress on curriculum subjects..
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    That's the minimum we have to do - who does *just* that? Hands up? #asechat
    • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:41 PM EDT
      #asechat at least once a year comment on achievement and progress on curriculum subjects..
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @NeedhamL56
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    We are currently doing this with Y8 with a baseline test....What happens to students who regress? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    #asechat and there lies the problem, inventing dubious things
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    So much about the importance of recording progress comes down to school culture and external drivers e.g. Ofsted, Ofqual etc #asechat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    They won't because you'll teach them really well. :) I think a baseline test needs to be diagnostic rather than summative #asechat
    In reply to @Mr_Misquitta
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    If learners regress they regress - learning wasn't secure and the new assessment is right (assuming it is well made) #asechat
    In reply to @Mr_Misquitta, @A_Weatherall
  • DrBearScience Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Until this year - no problem. Last year out of 2 classes I got one kid wrong. For new curriculum... Heaven help us! #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    #asechat NOT really external drivers, more internal not understanding / believing external
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Unpack that acronym for me Tom #asechat
    • TJohns85 Jun 19 @ 3:44 PM EDT
      Use PLC criteria to monitor progress to make reporting make more sense
  • LaGrangeITL5633 Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    I agree. Assessment aligned to standards, carefully reported #asechat #edu5213SBU
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    You get that it's fairer this way? At least for this year. #asechat
    In reply to @DrBearScience
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 19 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    #asechat too true, just like football , Leicester surprise in 2016 truth seen in 2017!!!
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @Mr_Misquitta, @A_Weatherall
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    As teachers we know who the students are to show negative progress...as there will be a multitude of other reasons #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    A real issue around progress is teachers/leaders only liking upwards movement not staggered improvement made of peaks and troughs #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @Mr_Misquitta, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    OK Any last thoughts in the last 10 mins. Anyone want to share their progress reporting schema? Who has to record "abv expcted" etc #asechat
  • gregtheseal Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Personalised learning checklists. This can be 500 statements long in combined science!!! #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    OK #asechat - who's going down the personalised learning check list route - pros-cons? @gregtheseal has identified a con already?
    • gregtheseal Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM EDT
      Personalised learning checklists. This can be 500 statements long in combined science!!! #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • DrBearScience Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    We report prog as Exceptional, Gd, Expected, Below or Cause for C. Up to faculties to decide (we do eg 1 grd above or below target) #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Jun 19 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    There is no such thing as negative progress - a made up education term. Teachers have to overcome 'other reasons' (excuses) #asechat
    In reply to @Mr_Misquitta, @A_Weatherall
  • DrBearScience Jun 19 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Engaged triples loved it. Less engaged doubles hated it. Never enough time to go back to what they DIDN'T get #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @gregtheseal
  • doc_kristy Jun 19 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    I once turned down a job when interview class were incapable of putting clamps stands together, told me a lot about the school! #ASEChat
    In reply to @alomshaha, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    That reminds me of this: https://t.co/ViKUUtBZE7 #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @Mr_Misquitta
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Need to make time - but that's tough in a 3 lesson a fortnight situation #asechat
    In reply to @DrBearScience, @gregtheseal
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    I should wear this t-shirt last day of term :) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MarcNeesam
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    I never got one made - happy to do so though :) - Orders to me #asechat
    In reply to @Mr_Misquitta, @MarcNeesam
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    OK #asechat - it's been interesting - I'm intrigued to unpack a couple of these "solutions" a little more and explore the pros-cons.
  • mrsjmclark Jun 19 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Would like to do this but so tight to fit the content in, even over three years, having to whizz through lots of concepts (1/2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    We've one minute to tune into LW and discuss societal progress in science with your host @alomshaha :o) #asechat
  • Mr_Misquitta Jun 19 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    A business opportunity to make millions :) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MarcNeesam
  • DrBearScience Jun 19 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    I once suggested that going back and practising was students' responsibility. Didn't fly (with them, or SLT) #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @gregtheseal
  • mrsjmclark Jun 19 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    when would like more time for consolidation and more in depth exploration(2/2)#ASEChat anyone else having this problem?Particularly Biology.
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 19 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    #asechat
    • alomshaha Jun 19 @ 3:40 PM EDT
      Can they put clamp & stand together to hold test-tube in beaker of water on tripod? If so, don't ever worry about them again. Clearly genius
      In reply to @A_Weatherall